Odds & Ends: Upton, Blue Jays, Miner, Pirates

A round of Thanksgiving links…


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  1. BryanL26 5 years ago

    It’s rare for me to call out Feinsand, but yes, the Yankees offseason checklist is still incomplete. Can I ask a question? What team’s offseason checklist IS complete? Answer, no one’s.

  2. Ferrariman 5 years ago

    wasn’t there two indians to sign with Pittsburgh? one was Patel and the other was something Singh.

    • Todd Smith 5 years ago

      Rinku Singh. He was the one that was supposed to have the higher potential, and he actually got promoted to the NY-Penn league last year. He went 2-0 with a 2.38 ERA, 8 walks and 21 strikeouts in 22 innings.

      • Ferrariman 5 years ago

        pretty good. how’s his stuff? i remember he had a fastball that could hit 93 but thats all i remember. i’m sure that he has developed something.

        • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

          These guys, they starred in Cricket before coming to the states. I find that inruiging because I just wonder how many cricketers in Bangladesh, India, England, and other countries would succeed if given an opportunity in the minors. It’s really interesting and if Rinku Singh makes it, it will be a great story and a revelation among his former teamates who played and play cricket back in his home.

          • Ferrariman 5 years ago

            i thought they were javelin throwers and farmers, not professional cricket players. Or maybe your referring to Indians in general, idk the post was sort of vague.

          • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

            I’m pretty sure that Patel, before staring on his TV show, was a professional cricket player. Or maybe a really advanced amateur because he’s very young. Something like that but I do know he was an elite cricketer. I used to live down the street from Lords Cricket Ground in London, my goodness it’s a ruckus on gameday.

          • Big_jays_fan 5 years ago

            some cricket clips from mlb video’s

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            manny playing cricket

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          • machine_beard 5 years ago

            How well do cricketers get paid because if its a good living i doubt many would want to give that up for the topsy turvy life of a fringe minor leaguer. But i do see a possible growth for the game in these countries.

          • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

            Well they have a retainer fee for their top players. Most get 500K in US dollars so whatever trat translates in to Euro’s. They also get rewarded for Man of the Match and stuff like that. The Indian players get roughly the same as that. But if they were getting paid that, I don’t see why they would leave. Maybe circumstances there weren’t swell.

          • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

            Yeah. Kind of crazy, although I think Patel was an amateur, so he might not have gotten that much. but he did get money from that TV show.

          • Yankees420 5 years ago

            I think you did your currency conversion backwards, 500,000 US dollars is approx. 376,000 in Euros.

          • you are correct sir.

          • rccb 5 years ago

            well, no.

          • Cricket is a serious sports in asian countries like india, bangladesh, pakistan. i dout that baseball will grow there and even europe. Trust me i know my parents are from bangladesh.

          • sadp 5 years ago

            The irony being that cricket was imported from England. You knew that, right?

          • Big_jays_fan 5 years ago

            yeah … i went there last yr and actually asked them to play baseball … the all were WTF is that ….

            as far as i know .. looking at my dad during the games ….. its like a religion for them ….. they actually stay up all night to watch games cause the timing is so different …..

            As far as growing of baseball in those countries.. i think its very hard to get it there … cause ppl really won’t adapt to it …

            just like cricket won’t find a place in US and Canada … with baseball …

          • Big_jays_fan 5 years ago

            yeah … i went there last yr and actually asked them to play baseball … the all were WTF is that ….

            as far as i know .. looking at my dad during the games ….. its like a religion for them ….. they actually stay up all night to watch games cause the timing is so different …..

            As far as growing of baseball in those countries.. i think its very hard to get it there … cause ppl really won’t adapt to it …

            just like cricket won’t find a place in US and Canada … with baseball …

          • Big_jays_fan 5 years ago

            i am from an indian origin… my dad and mom were born there and they moved here before i was born …….. i lobe baseballl but also i love cricket as well its in my gene’s to be addicted to cricket …… i only watch Pakistan vs Indian games cause they are probably equal or greater in rivalry to the yanks and red sox rivalry…

            but yeah two sports are different… in cricket you can not use your elbow to apply force , all the force is from your shoulder and wrist .. so bowling in general is harder .. where as hitting in baseball is harder and in cricket it is easier cause the surface area is far greater, but the cricket ball actually involves the turf variteties so some ball can bounce alot and move when it hit the turf ( or the pitch as it’s called in cricket) …. so its not all about the bowler.. the delivery can move left or right which is very difficult to predict..

            as off i know i can pitch in mid 80’s and bowl around 120 KMP ( with a run up) so yeah there is a difference ….

  3. bluegirl11 5 years ago

    im ok with non tendering Sherill if we can get something decent in return

    • CaseyBlakeDeWitt 5 years ago

      Get something decent in return? You don’t get anything for non-tendering someone.

      I’m okay with Sherrill coming back on a cheap deal. Hopefully Mattingly would realize that he’s only a lefty specialist now though..

  4. DanHaren 5 years ago

    wish more indians played baseball like me

    • Ferrariman 5 years ago

      there too busy playing cricket.

    • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

      I can think of 25 off the top of my head in the city of Cleveland.

  5. Guest 5 years ago

    Oh Dang, I guess the Yankees aren’t done making transactions… just like every other team except the Royals.

    And really? this is the first I’ve heard of Prince trade rumours due to contract demands…
    Next thing you know the Padres will begin to consider trading Gonzo and Bell…

    • CaseyBlakeDeWitt 5 years ago

      But the Royals haven’t gotten Francoeur yet..

    • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

      Since when are the Royals done making transactions? They could very well trade Zack Greinke in the coming weeks/months, sign one or two veterans to a one year deal to trade them mid-season, and bolster the bullpen. If anything, the Royals are just warming up after acquiring Vinny and JM.

      • Guest 5 years ago

        Sorry, I forgot about Greinke…but I just don’t consider signing moves like John Halama to a minor league to “bolster their bullpen” deal a real transaction (not that that happened).They even said they don’t have any money to make an major-league-player acquisitions.

    • kidsmoke96 5 years ago

      Seriously. I’m shocked to hear that Milwaukee may not be able to afford Prince long-term. And the author says Prince’s 2011 salary is $10.5M. Prince has his final arby year in 2011, and he’s coming off a $11M salary in 2010. I doubt he gets a paycut. Had Paul White spent like a second doing some salary research, he could have gotten this right.

  6. Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

    There’s the “nightmare before christmas”, and the “Pirates thanksgiving Irony”. Thanks for supplying us with it Neal!

  7. It’s not the Yankees fault Jeter’s acting like a spoiled little girl on Christmas, Mo will resign with the Yankees in the next 2 weeks, Cliff Lee will probably sign with a team come Christmas Eve, and Jeter will sign in January

    • PookieGonzales 5 years ago

      Dude if i was jeter and i saw Arod getting the contract he did….. well i have to admit i’d be wanting a little more. Not saying he’s right or anything i can just understand where he’s coming from.

    • gornie 5 years ago

      how is it not the yankees’ fault? jeter and rivera finishing their careers as yankees is not about how much production the yankees will get from their starting shortstop and closer. it’s about making hundreds of millions of dollars marketing the homegrown yankee legends of this generation. so yes, jeter is worth $20m+ per year to the yankees even if he’ll produce at a $12m level. it’s on a totally different pay scale than for them to play for any other team. it’s this type of marketability that sells the jerseys and wins the false love of pseudo baseball fans throughout the world, which gives the yankees the unfair competitive advantage that they have. jeter and mo deserve their fair share of it.

      leave it to the fair-weathered yankees fans to understand it in the context of overpaying sabathia and a-rod and teixiera and cliff lee but not in the context of keeping their legends. a totally unfair double standard worthy of the most spoiled fan base in pro sports.

    • gornie 5 years ago

      how is it not the yankees’ fault? jeter and rivera finishing their careers as yankees is not about how much production the yankees will get from their starting shortstop and closer. it’s about making hundreds of millions of dollars marketing the homegrown yankee legends of this generation. so yes, jeter is worth $20m+ per year to the yankees even if he’ll produce at a $12m level. it’s on a totally different pay scale than for them to play for any other team. it’s this type of marketability that sells the jerseys and wins the false love of pseudo baseball fans throughout the world, which gives the yankees the unfair competitive advantage that they have. jeter and mo deserve their fair share of it.

      leave it to the fair-weathered yankees fans to understand it in the context of overpaying sabathia and a-rod and teixiera and cliff lee but not in the context of keeping their legends. a totally unfair double standard worthy of the most spoiled fan base in pro sports.

  8. eviola1 5 years ago

    Fielder to Blue Jays? yumyumyumyumyumyumyum

    • moonraker45 5 years ago

      Well AA has stated over and over that he holds athleticism in high regard, so Prince fits in perfectly.

      • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

        Seriously though, I really want to see AA go out and try to acquire Brett Lawrie. I know that the Brewers wanted Marcum or Cecil, which is ridiclous, but I wonder if something like Zach Stewart or Zach Stewart and Drew Permisson could pry Lawrie away from the Brewers…He kind fits what AA envisions the Jays being in a couple of years, athletic, patient, non-homer happy, and toolsy.

        • Sixto_Lezcano 5 years ago

          Not only would I not trade Brett Lawrie for Marcum, but if Toronto offered that I would immediately hang up the phone, fly to Toronto, drive to the Rogers Centre, find Anthopolous and slap him in the face for wasting my time.

          Cecil alone probably wouldn’t be enough either.

          • because a front of the rotation starter is not the right thing to build a deal around? Or because the Brewers clearly don’t need SP? I’m not sure I understood your post.

          • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

            With Weeks talking to Melvin about a potential long term extension, and Braun’s contract, plus the Brewers need for pitching, I would trade Marcum for Lawrie if I’m the Brewers…Maybe not the Jays though.

          • Sixto_Lezcano 5 years ago

            Lawrie is a top 25 prospect in all of baseball… I would use him as a centerpiece in a trade for somebody like Greinke (packaging him with a couple other prospects) but for Marcum? Please.

            Equally fair counteroffer: Kyle Drabek for Corey Hart.

          • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

            With Weeks talking to Melvin about a potential long term extension, and Braun’s contract, plus the Brewers need for pitching, I would trade Marcum for Lawrie if I’m the Brewers…Maybe not the Jays though.

          • brian_dfhl 5 years ago

            What??? Your seriously saying Marcum or Cecil is not enough for Lawrie???? Wow.

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            lol and anthopolous would slap you right back and get charged for slapping a pre teened dweeb who’s baseball knowledge is suspect, at best.

          • moonraker45 5 years ago

            lol and anthopolous would slap you right back and get charged for slapping a pre teened dweeb who’s baseball knowledge is suspect, at best.

        • dizzle4 5 years ago

          Back around the trade deadline when those Marcum or Cecil for Lawrie rumors started (pretty much all by Ken Rosenthal), I was really pulling for the Jays to make that move. Since then, I’ve heard a lot of negatives about Lawrie – his fielding and an apparently horrible makeup – plus his hitting tapered a bit in the second half. His athleticism and position definitely fits AA’s vision, but I feel like his makeup may prevent him from ever reaching his big upside.

          • Sixto_Lezcano 5 years ago

            Haha, I’m sure Milwaukee will be more than happy to stick with Lawrie and his “horrible makeup” instead of giving him up for two years of an egregiously overrated starter with the fragility of Ben Sheets but none of the talent.

          • Sorry, who overrates Marcum exactly? He’s one of the most underrated pitchers in the AL East.

          • Sam_Lee 5 years ago

            His makeup is he is competitive. Is that why you don’t think he fits with the Jays?

      • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

        Check that, Permisson can’t be traded. but maybe something like Stewart/Daly/Krouse.

  9. carlos 5 years ago

    minuscule chance? that doesn’t sound good to me. unless he plans to work for free sherill doesn’t belong on the dodgers

  10. I have absolutely no problem with giving Rivera a two year deal. C’mon now. However that 18 Million per is way out of line.

  11. WrigleyTerror37 5 years ago

    Ok on Prince fielder How about a trade to the cubs???
    Before i continue i know this would never happen. The slareys of the player i am bout to say would not suit the Brewers Payroll. Not to mention the Brewers would not trade Prince to a division rival.

    The trade idea is The Cubs send C.Zambrano and K.Fukodome to The Brew Crew for Prince and 1-2 bad contracts that they have.
    (Again this is just an idea i know this will never happen)
    Fukodome has Always seem to hit well in Milwaukee County Stadium. He could be slumping and he plays there and he lights on fire.
    Down side: Brew Crew has alot of Out Fielders and is probly aready set with Braun,Cain,Span, and Hart.
    Big Z Pluse: he always seemed to pitch well sence he pitched the No No agenst the Astros.
    Negative: His contract is way to much for the Brewers payroll, utterwise i think a good fit IMO.

    Now Prince: he would provide the cubs with a firstbaseman and a power lefty hitter.
    The bad: 1year of the guy but would get draft picks bc he would most likly be a 1 year rental.

    Any thoughts i know this trade idea isnt full proff but id like to see the feed back. Also be kind i know payroll and players would never match up but what is everyones thoughts?

    • ultimate913 5 years ago

      How would C. Zambrano and K.Fukodome be worth the 2 picks they would get if/when Fielder signs with another team?

      You want Fielder? The Cubs would have to trade their best prospect plus 2 B prospects. That’s probably 3 of the Cubs top 10 prospects. Remember Fielder would most definitely be a Type A FA when he leaves and you’re suggesting the Brewers trade to a division rival.

      • cubfan4life 5 years ago

        Beyond that while I would love to see Fielder hit in Wrigley, the thought of his defense however is enough to make the turkey make a return trip up my throat.

        They have some scary arms on the left side of that infield with Castro and ARam. They need someone who can be solid or better at 1B to save some of the errors coming from across the diamond.

        The prospects that could be used in a deal for Fielder should be used instead to pry Gonzalez away from SD. Granted it would cost them probably 2 A level prospects and 2 B level prospects plus an extension but it would be worth it. Fielder just doesnt fit very well on an NL team. I could see him head up to Seattle though.

        But i do agree that the guy above you is an idiot. Z and Fukudome for Fielder and “A couple bad contracts”. any bad contracts they send us wouldnt even be close to the bad contract that they would be adding on in Zambrano.

      • WrigleyTerror37 5 years ago

        Again i was just throwing it out there if you read past the first couple of lines then you would se that im just throwing it out thereon stuff i reconized alright. You dont need to go off on me for somthing i already said WOOULD NOT HAPPEN! The guy last night understood what i ment by that post and i thank him for that.

    • ultimate913 5 years ago

      How would C. Zambrano and K.Fukodome be worth the 2 picks they would get if/when Fielder signs with another team?

      You want Fielder? The Cubs would have to trade their best prospect plus 2 B prospects. That’s probably 3 of the Cubs top 10 prospects. Remember Fielder would most definitely be a Type A FA when he leaves and you’re suggesting the Brewers trade to a division rival.

    • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

      Any fielder trade to the Cubs would result in Brett Jackson, Chris Archer, and Yohan Gonzalez wearing different uniforms.

      • cubfan4life 5 years ago

        There is no way that the Cubs trade for Fielder. Seattle, Boston, or the White Sox maybe but not the Cubs.

        They need a guy who can help save some of the would be throwing errors coming from across the diamond. Not add to them.

        While i would love to see him hit in Wrigley the offensive value would be less due to what he would be giving back defensively. If they are going to make a deal, which i dont think they should, it should be for Gonzalez not Fielder.

        But if he is intent on going to FA as opposed to signing an extension with the team that trades for him then pass and go sign someone like Berkman who I think can bounce back closer to his career numbers and be a solid defender at 1B. Granted he has lost a step or 2 in his range but he has always had a solid glove which is what they need over there.

        Chicago should have their eye on the playoffs in 2013 and not mortgage their future for an outside shot at contending this year.

        • WrigleyTerror37 5 years ago

          I agree with you the cubs and brewers would not match up at all. I would Love to get Agon but im afraid if i mention his name Red soxs fans will come out of no were ans start talking about Els, and bard for him!!!
          Anyway I think in a year or 2 that Fielder is going to be a DH so trading or signing with an american league team is his best option.
          The Cubs need to get a 1b man that wount kill them with the glove but has a good bat. L.Overbay i wouldnt mind having he has a glove and a good bat and coould sign for a 1 year 2 mil.
          I rather have J.Cantu tho he would be a better option he can hit and field not to mention play 3b so i would rather sign him on a 1 or 2 year deal worth 3mil or 7 mil.

          • cubfan4life 5 years ago

            Personally i think Berkman is a much better fit. 1yr plus an option could work. I think he is in for a bounce back year and hitting in Wrigley for 82 games will help that. Plus he is a better defensive 1B than he gets credit for.

            Cantu? I have a hard time believing that he is worth a 1yr/3M deal. The Rangers traded to get him and then played an unproven rookie down the stretch and in the playoffs in Mitch Moreland. Hardly a ringing endorsement for a guy whose numbers dropped last year. While i think he can help a team like say Anaheim or STL who have some health/production questions at the corners with the exception of 1B in STL. He would be a nice insurance option for a contender, but he is not the answer at 1B for the Cubs.
            The Cubs still need some balance in the middle of that lineup from the left side. Hendry needs to stay away from Dunn whose defense is subpar at best. A stopgap like Berkman or LaRoche would fit with my preference being Berkman. Another guy who would fit is Carlos Pena. Great defender with power. Big time feast or famine guy. But outside of the K’s and the AVG this past year he is still a guy who over his career slash line of .351/.490/.841 which is pretty good plus he’ll give you 30/100 and play very good defense.

            If they want to spend the money on Dunn then they can surely offer a cheaper 3yr deal to Pena. Then take what they save and find a couple guys for the bullpen and bench and still have money left over.

      • WrigleyTerror37 5 years ago

        I know that i was just throwing it out there. me and my dad were talking and i know the deal wouldnt get done with the players i listed because of there contracts. I know it would have to invole prospects Witch i dont want to give up. By the way who is Yohan Gonzalez? So it was just an idea and i already said that this WOULD NOT HAPPEN!

    • Sam_Lee 5 years ago

      Their outfield corners are set, they have too many CFs and all their bad contracts expired. Cubs have a big checkbook. Wait a year.

      • WrigleyTerror37 5 years ago

        like i said the Brew Crew OF is set so they dont need Fukodome.

    • Braun4Pres 5 years ago

      Just 1 question, while I’m catching my breath from laughing……. Milwaukee County Stadium???? What the hell is that? We had “County Stadium” which was torn down years ago, also where Major League was filmed. (With the best announcer in baseball btw, in Bob Eucher) The park is named MILLER PARK.

      End of rant, and I apologize if it came off as being a jerk, I just couldn’t help it.

  12. daveineg 5 years ago

    White’s whole premise makes little sense. Even if they don’t or can’t sign Fielder, they won’t trade him just to trade him. There’s 2 high draft picks and a lot of money off the books if they keep him for another year and he leaves. Any deal they make has to have a better return than that. Otherwise, they’ll keep him to make their 2011 team stronger.

    • WrigleyTerror37 5 years ago

      i was just putting it out there me and my dad were talking about that artical on the players and there ballbarks, and the players match but the deal doesnt. Thanks for the feedback.And what you said i agree with 100%.

    • WrigleyTerror37 5 years ago

      i was just putting it out there me and my dad were talking about that artical on the players and there ballbarks, and the players match but the deal doesnt. Thanks for the feedback.And what you said i agree with 100%.

  13. mrsjohnmiltonrocks 5 years ago

    George Sherrill makes sense for a team to stash on their staff expressly for the purpose of flipping him at the deadline. I’m looking at you Indians, and you Pirates. He’s been reasonably solid in the past; and he’s the kind of guy that when going good, playoff bound teams need at the deadline. Sign him, and don’t give him a no trade clause!

    You just hope he pitches well, by all means use him until the deadline. Then send him on his way.

    • Dave_Gershman 5 years ago

      I think the Mets would be a good fit. Indians I like as well.

      • mrsjohnmiltonrocks 5 years ago

        I’m really thinking Indians, more for the idea of flipping him. They have Perez and Sipp from the left side, and though they have stuck with both of them through some inconsistencies, I still think a guy like Sherrill, who has lived with both success and failure would be a good pitcher to add to the mix there.

        I just see Sherrill as a bounce back candidate. His season got off to a bad start last year and it kind of snowballed on him. I don’t expect him to be a stud, but I expect a better season out of him in 2011. Then the Indians can do what they do with anyone that makes at least double the minimum-trade him.

        • cubfan4life 5 years ago

          The Indians could do worse than bringing him in. But considering they have those 2 guys and they dont have all the cash in the world idk if he fits there.

          I think he might go to a team that could give him an outside shot at closing.

          I also think that Seattle should see what he is asking for and bring him in. Aardsma is a trade candidate and the other guy they had who had closer stuff they traded to Texas in the Lee deal. Sherrill would give them a nice option who has closer experience and he would have a shot at a bounce back year. At the least he would give them a LH arm out of the pen who they can move at the deadline.

        • cubfan4life 5 years ago

          The Indians could do worse than bringing him in. But considering they have those 2 guys and they dont have all the cash in the world idk if he fits there.

          I think he might go to a team that could give him an outside shot at closing.

          I also think that Seattle should see what he is asking for and bring him in. Aardsma is a trade candidate and the other guy they had who had closer stuff they traded to Texas in the Lee deal. Sherrill would give them a nice option who has closer experience and he would have a shot at a bounce back year. At the least he would give them a LH arm out of the pen who they can move at the deadline.

      • mrsjohnmiltonrocks 5 years ago

        I’m really thinking Indians, more for the idea of flipping him. They have Perez and Sipp from the left side, and though they have stuck with both of them through some inconsistencies, I still think a guy like Sherrill, who has lived with both success and failure would be a good pitcher to add to the mix there.

        I just see Sherrill as a bounce back candidate. His season got off to a bad start last year and it kind of snowballed on him. I don’t expect him to be a stud, but I expect a better season out of him in 2011. Then the Indians can do what they do with anyone that makes at least double the minimum-trade him.

  14. mrsjohnmiltonrocks 5 years ago

    George Sherrill makes sense for a team to stash on their staff expressly for the purpose of flipping him at the deadline. I’m looking at you Indians, and you Pirates. He’s been reasonably solid in the past; and he’s the kind of guy that when going good, playoff bound teams need at the deadline. Sign him, and don’t give him a no trade clause!

    You just hope he pitches well, by all means use him until the deadline. Then send him on his way.

  15. Troutman 5 years ago

    Well I’m glad AA isn’t interested in upton anymore I wasn’t really interested in draning the farm for one guy……

    • moonraker45 5 years ago

      I’m happy about it as well.. As soon as I heard that Snider or Drabek had to be involved I got turned off, glad AA felt the same way…

      That being said I wouldn’t totally surprised if Upton gets off to a bad start or has a bad year all together.. Sometimes the thought of being traded, especially to a team that could compete gets in your head and a player can get excited…then he returns back to arizona knowing they would have traded him.

      • cubfan4life 5 years ago

        Upton kinda scares me if im a team looking to trade for him. He is signed to a reletively cheap deal. He is only 23. Immensely talented and has a ton of upside.

        But I would be wondering why the DBacks would want to trade him? Maybe attitude, or something else going on between his ears.

        IDK if he will have a bad year because of it but it wouldnt surprise me if he did get off to a bad start.

        If they want to move him then they should. Even if it means taking a little less. But if they only wanted to gauge interest in hopes that someone will overpay then they are taking a big gamble on a young kid being able to come back in 2011 and not feel disrespected by a team who wanted to move him.

      • cubfan4life 5 years ago

        Upton kinda scares me if im a team looking to trade for him. He is signed to a reletively cheap deal. He is only 23. Immensely talented and has a ton of upside.

        But I would be wondering why the DBacks would want to trade him? Maybe attitude, or something else going on between his ears.

        IDK if he will have a bad year because of it but it wouldnt surprise me if he did get off to a bad start.

        If they want to move him then they should. Even if it means taking a little less. But if they only wanted to gauge interest in hopes that someone will overpay then they are taking a big gamble on a young kid being able to come back in 2011 and not feel disrespected by a team who wanted to move him.

  16. Troutman 5 years ago

    Well I’m glad AA isn’t interested in upton anymore I wasn’t really interested in draning the farm for one guy……

  17. TdotsFinest 5 years ago

    im really happy to hear the jays are out of the running for upton also. on the diamondbacks website all i was reading was comments from fans calling him a cancer and a demon, nothing positive. i dont want that on my team. to give up snider, drabek, and 3 other players is absolutely crazy. thank god AA backed out of this one!

  18. kidsmoke96 5 years ago

    I’m not sure I’ve seen any rumors stating what has been offered for Prince. There was some talk of the White Sox offering Hudson and Viciedo at the trade deadline, but that may have been Brewer fans wishing and nothing more. Teams have to be concerned about Prince’s defense and across-the-board drops in all offensive categories last season.

  19. Sam_Lee 5 years ago

    His defense is actually pretty good. He’s also had kind of weird pattern of up and down years and it was a weird year for the team as well.

    I’m pretty sure Hudson for Fielder had some validity to it. I never heard of Viciedo being included. Hudson did really well for half a season so there’s lots of gnashing of teeth, but he might not be the ace that the Dbacks fans are imagining. Worst case scenario, which I wouldn’t mind, is he plays out the year and the team gets 2 picks.

  20. That has to be seen as a disappointment though. The Brewers are not really a lock to contend, so holding on to prince doesn’t have that short-term value, and any real deal for prince (one would think) would contain a lot more value than a supp. pick and 1,2, or 3rd round pick.

  21. Sam_Lee 5 years ago

    Look around some. There’s plenty of chatter about the guy as a prospect, invariably rated highly. You can argue to your heart’s content.

  22. bustersposey 5 years ago

    ok. i made the same argument against casey kelly as a top prospect, and was informed that he’s only 20 at AA (like lowrie), scouts love his tools (like lowrie) he was a 1st round pick (like lowrie), was rated highly before the draft (like lowrie) missed a year of development time (like lowrie in ’08 playing for the canadian national team). projection, baby…

  23. Sam_Lee 5 years ago

    and was Hudson or the two picks plus a year of Prince better? I’m down with the latter.

  24. Pawsdeep 5 years ago

    It not his arm slot…most of his injuries werent baseball related, the dude just has bad luck…I mean, guitar hero cost him a chunk of time and helping his dad move was another lengthy DL stint so coaching isn’t gonna help a guy made of glass.

  25. bustersposey 5 years ago

    i would agree that pitching and hitting is a little bit different in the minors (wtf). pitchers are refining their pitch selection and secondary stuff. by the same token, hitters are also adjusting their approach- pitch recognition, learning to hit w/ 2 strikes, learning to use the opp field, situational hitting, etc. lawrie still led the southern league in hits, runs, triples, and total bases. for what it’s worth, kelly was the #10 prospect in the AA eastern league, while lawrie was the #5 prospect in the AA southern league according to BA.

  26. johnsmith4 5 years ago

    He did this as a 20 year old in AA. Most impressive. Probably plays in AAA at age 21. Also impressive.

  27. i get it, lawrie is a good prospect. but marcum is a good – already proven – pitcher in the bigs. he is the definition of a pitchers pitcher, a guy who doesnt break 90 but has a wide array of cutters and sinkers that he uses very accurately to both sides of the plate. on top of that he has a devastating changeup and has been getting the job done in the AL east where most experts say that soft throwing pitchers cant get by. he can give you a good start pretty much every time he takes the mound. definitely my favorite pitcher on the jays.

  28. gornie 5 years ago

    excellent response blackcourt. i agree that the yankees are doing the right thing by not just caving in, and as businesspeople they do need to bring up the fact that jeter gets $12m per year for 2 years if he leaves, so 3 yrs @$15m apiece is absolutely in jeter’s best interests.i’m just saying that too much of the yankee fanbase is getting all riled up over jeter wanting his share of the yankee pie. why is it ok when teixiera and sabathia, and in a short while cliff lee, get a 25% markup over market value to join the yankees as free agents but as a homegrown legend jeter gets smeared as greedy for wanting to hold out for a bigger slice? good for him to at least try, and i wish him luck. he’s a product of the yankee organization, in more ways than one.and point taken re:yes network. it’s the lure of the legends like ruth, dimaggio, mantle, jeter, rivera that makes the yankees so marketable overseas. i’m sure a bitter divorce between the yanks and their greatest icon of this generation will force *some* yankees fans to follow jeter wherever he goes. that’s the only leverage jeter has in this battle, and unfortunately he’s wrong because he’s giving the yankee fanbase too much credit for being able to think for themselves.the only way jeter and mo aren’t in pinstripes next year is if they get so offended by the negotiations process that they bolt for less money just to spite the yankees. but they’d be hurting their own legends in the process.

  29. Nicolas_C 5 years ago

    There are 195 recognized countries in the world…

  30. Nicolas_C 5 years ago

    Yes…it’s okay when the Orioles and Nats offered the exact same deal as the Yankees to Teixeira essentially, and many other teams bid high on Sabathia. The same is not true for Jeter, since his play makes him only worth like 8 million a year, plus he’s aging.

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