Rosenthal On Uggla, Arroyo, Angels

Plenty of intriguing new hot stove info from Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports

  • Marlins second baseman Dan Uggla rejected a four-year, $48MM extension offer.  Uggla is one season away from free agency, and may prefer to hold off.  SI's Jon Heyman wrote on Thursday that the offer was to pay $8MM in 2011 and that Uggla sought five years.  Assuming Uggla is in line for $10MM or so in arbitration, he must feel he can top what equates to a three-year, $38MM free agent offer.
  • Rosenthal expects the Reds to complete a two-year extension with Bronson Arroyo this week.  Arroyo's 2011 option, which apparently is worth $13MM, was already picked up.  So this new deal would add the '12 and '13 seasons.
  • The Angels may be forced to deal with Scott Boras this offseason, especially if they fail to sign Carl Crawford.  Boras represents potential targets Jayson Werth, Adrian Beltre, and Rafael Soriano.


Leave a Reply

96 Comments on "Rosenthal On Uggla, Arroyo, Angels"


suPaFreaK
4 years 9 months ago

Hmmm interesting…If Uggla hits the open market in 2012 Giants would be wise to get him…Those 30 HRs would fit nicely in our lineup…Not to mention Cody Ross has been telling his buddy that he’d be a nice fit in the clubhouse

gigantes2425
4 years 9 months ago

Yes he has. It will be interesting when he hits free agency

slr5607
4 years 9 months ago

Why wait for free agency. I think he is worth the 5 year deal he wants. I say trade for him now! Offer up some of the young talent in the Giants farm system (Noonan, Sosa, Gillaspies, Joseph) I am sure 2 of those guys could be great foundation for a deal. We could put him at either 3B or LF. If we can’t resign Sanchez after 2011, then he goes back to 2B. This is a great chance for the GIants to get a big Power Bat. Uggla would fit nicely in SF.

4 years 9 months ago

Hope UGGLA’S 2011 season read .220BA, 16HR, 62RBI. Anyone who turns down 48 MILLION DOLLARS to play a game for a living deserves some adversity.

Matt Sikorski
4 years 9 months ago

So if Pujols turned down 4/48, you would crap all over him too?

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

guess uggla is hitting the open market

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

I just dont know whats going through his head…He is getting more annual money than he first asked for. He is 30 years old and is one dimensional. Just take the money.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
4 years 9 months ago

Im going to guess he wants long term security more than money. Give him 5 years at 9 million, and I bet he accepts

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

I can’t edit comments but I want to add this on…The Marlins need to keep him. He is one of the best things that ever happened to their franchise. If he hits the open market after next season, the Marlins are not going to re-sign him…Also, they are going in to the new Ballpark, They need to keep him!!!!

Ethanator99
4 years 9 months ago

I predict it now. Uggla will be with the Cubs or Cards in 2012.

Also, as a Reds fan, I really hope this Arroyo extention doesn’t happen. I just dont have a good feeling about it.

woadude
4 years 9 months ago

yeah forget about consistency right?

petrie000
4 years 9 months ago

he’s only a Cub is he’s playing first base by then.

Redbirds16
4 years 9 months ago

He’s only a Card if he’s playing 3B or RF.

woadude
4 years 9 months ago

I was referring to Bronson Arroyo being extended, all he did was be consistant and eat innings since he came over in that one sidded trade with the Red Sox

Potrzeba
4 years 9 months ago

I’d love to see Dan uggla in the red sox lineup. Just thinking but they could move him to the OF or shift pedroia to SS and have uggla at 2B or Other way around. Or put him at DH.

4 years 9 months ago

Although I really hope he stays with the Marlins, Uggla is the ideal DHer

EarlyMorningBoxscore
4 years 9 months ago

Meh he would be a good bat but why move Pedroia to short when he’s an all star and gold glove caliber at 2nd? Also moving Pedroia to short would block Jose Iglesias who the Sox view as their SS of the future.

Potrzeba
4 years 9 months ago

Or uggla could be used in the OF. Besides if we did get uggla or pedroia to play SS we could then trade iglesias for a 1Baseman. That’s not gunna happen, but pedroia said last year he was willing to play SS for us. I could see uggla in LF.

EarlyMorningBoxscore
4 years 9 months ago

Just playing devil’s advocate here, but didn’t Uggla say that when teams were interested in moving him to third that he did not want to move from second? So do we really know that he would be willing to move to LF for another team? Also, LF at Fenway with the Green Monster, and other nooks and crannies is not the easiest to play would he be able to play solid defense in LF? Also, again I feel like the Sox have the best chance to win keeping Youkilis at first and trying to find a third basemen it is why I feel it is essential that they keep Beltre. Just my opinion though.

Potrzeba
4 years 9 months ago

I bet if the sox gave him incentives to play OF he would do it. Also te red sox r more Likely to move youkilis to third base bc there are really no one good out there besides aramis ramrez, mark Reynolds. I don’t wanna keep beltre bc he’s gettig up there in age, and he’s most Likely not gunna produce those numbers again. Plus his defense really wasn’t that good. Even of they traded for uggla for the 2011 season. That would be fine.

EarlyMorningBoxscore
4 years 9 months ago

Maybe so with Beltre, but Youkilis turns 32 before the season starts in March, and Beltre turns 32 in April. Youkilis’s range at third could diminish as well due to age, and keeping him at first maybe the smarter move if he’s going to play better defense at first. As far as the outfield is concerned I hope the Sox sign Crawford or Werth, at the end of the season let Drew walk and start Kalish in left (if they sign Werth and move Werth back to right) or start Kalish in right (if they sign Crawford.) Keep Jacoby in center at the very least until Reymond Fuentes is ready to play.

Potrzeba
4 years 9 months ago

Werth is crap. Old and would be good in Boston. I want Boston to sign Crawford so bad. He’d fit perfect. Have kalish in center and move ellsbury for a bat. Or maybe trade for kemp or ethier. Idk: we need Crawford though.

EarlyMorningBoxscore
4 years 9 months ago

I agree with the fact that an outfielder is essential. Cameron is not an everyday player anymore and is around 38/39. While Crawford would be a great addition I still feel he is going to sign with the Angels, but I obviously could be wrong because I am not Crawford or his agent. I think Kalish is better suited for a corner outfield position but again he played some CF this year and did play well. Trading for Kemp or Ethier could be interesting…if I had to choose I’d choose Ethier he went to ASU along with Pedroia and the two are good friends, and with the Dodgers financial situation/the owners divorce? they might not be able to keep him beyond next season.

Potrzeba
4 years 9 months ago

Probably wouldn’t take that much to get ethier. He also said he would love to play in Boston. They would probably want dice-k. They can have him. Probably dice-k, a prospect or two should get her done. Like reddick, bowden, Anderson.

EarlyMorningBoxscore
4 years 9 months ago

I’d be willing to part with Dice-k, Reddick, Bowden, and Anderson (I think Rizzo is going to be better) to get Ethier. If they can sign Crawford/Werth trade for Ethier, and lets for this scenario they do trade Ells for a bat like you say. An outfield of Werth/Crawford, Kalish, Ethier in a year or so sounds mighty good to me.

woadude
4 years 9 months ago

PLEASE dont tell me you as a Red Sox fan did NOT just try to put a trade scenario out there that included the same old pair of shoe prospects Reddick, and Bowden and the infamous i cant believe Ken Rosenthal on MLB network used in a San Diego trade rumor Lars Anderson, and PLEASE dont tell me it was for Andre Ethier as in all star in Los Angelos Andre Ethier……

EarlyMorningBoxscore
4 years 9 months ago

First off Ken Rosenthal I cannot stand, and I would not take what he says seriously. Secondly I do not believe the Sox make any sort of trade with San Diego. While sure any Sox fan would like Gonzalez I do not think it happens. Hoyer has been in the Sox organization and knows what the Sox have in their prospects to much has to go right for it to happen. Hoyer simply knows too much for the trade to happen. Thirdly parting with Reddick, Bowden, and Anderson is something I feel most Sox fans would be willing to do due to how they’ve played in the last year or two. You never want to or are that willing to part with prospects if they are thought to be legit contributors to the major league club. Fourthly I said I would be willing to part with those prospects. It is never easy trading for an All Star will it likely take more than that? Yes, it likely would, all I was saying was I was willing to part with those players.

woadude
4 years 9 months ago

I hate Ken Rosenthal more than Joe Buck, which is pretty high, and what you said at the end was my whole point, it will take ALOT more than lifers in the minors for an all star outfielder in Andre Ethier, just because the McCourts are fighting over the team doesnt mean they are going to give away players,I will say this once, the Red Sox know what prospects are good and what prospects are bad, if they are in the minors for more than 3 years, they arent ever going to be on the Red Sox, Ells, Pedroia, Youk, Bard, Masterson,Reddick at times, shoot Kalish has more starts than Anderson, i could go on, but my point is Bowden was going to be a starter and failed and was converted to a reliever and failed, Reddick is almost there, Kalish jumped him, so what package can the Sox make than seems attractive without including Iglesias?

EarlyMorningBoxscore
4 years 9 months ago

You would probably have to include pitching like Casey Kelly, Stolmy Pimentel, Felix Doubront, and possibly players like Anthony Rizzo, and Reymond Fuentes. Which in an era of free agency and key players hitting the market fairly often it does not seem worth it to trade that many prospects for an Andre Ethier. He is a free agent at the end of this coming season I believe. If you still have a need at OF and he becomes a free agent then try and sign him.

woadude
4 years 9 months ago

you also can’t spell, sorry it bothers me when people take an effort to spell words wrong

start_wearing_purple
4 years 9 months ago

First off Pedroia is an excellent defensive second baseman and a lousy defensive shortstop. They’d never move him off of second. Second, Iglesias is worth far more to the Sox future than as a trade chip. Iglesias was signed because his glove has been compared favorably to Omar Vizquel and Ozzie Smith which is basically what the Sox want long term.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

pedroia SS?? you’re not serious are you?

Potrzeba
4 years 9 months ago

Played there in college, and said he would play there last year. Knowing pedroia he’d become the best SS out there.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 9 months ago

Playing short against a bunch of guys who’ll never eve make it to the minors is one thing, being a pro shortstop is a completely different animal. There’s no doubt Pedroia would be a gamer and try to go the extra mile, but I’ve seen him play short in Boston and Pawtucket. Anyone who saw that knew instantly he should never be a shortstop in the majors.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

with that theory, you should try him as a closer.

WinterMediate
4 years 9 months ago

and have David Ortiz as the 12MM DH or JD Drew as the 11MM DH

TDKnies
4 years 9 months ago

I’m a little surprised by Uggla turning that deal down too. Even if we look at it like a 3/$38 deal, that’s still great money. Guess he really wants that extra year added on to the deal, which is understandable. Anyone fill me in on how he feels about the Marlins as a team and organization, along the lines of if he wants to stay, seems itching to get out of there, or just wants money/years?

WiiCat
4 years 9 months ago

He says he would like to stay, but only if he can get a 5+ year contract. If not, he’d be fine testing free agency after 2011.

Dan Uggla is pretty inconsistent as a fielder, but his power bat has been a sure thing ever since he made it to the bigs. I would say he’s worth a little more than $13 million, but only just. The only reason why he didn’t pull the trigger was because of the years, I believe.

In the end, I can see Uggla caving in and signing the 4-year deal. It’s hard to give a 30 year old a 5+ deal, especially given his poor fielding ability.

BWOzar
4 years 9 months ago

For a 2B he kind of has ‘old man skills’ (Big power, poor defense, mediocre athleticism) so I can’t really blame Uggla for angling for a longer deal.

tacko
4 years 9 months ago

I can see Mets, Braves, and Giants bid for Uggla next year. They’ll all be in the whole for second baseman and with none of the Mets’ second base prospects showing any realistic hope I’m placing my bets on them. By then, he’ll the contract he’s realistically looking at will probably be around 4 years/$54 million.

4 years 9 months ago

Mets pass on paying a 32 year old butcher of a 2b in Uggla…Havens and co. should be ready by ’12

WiiCat
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t know if the Braves would make a move on Uggla. They have Prado til ’13, Chipper til ’12, Freeman ready to come to the bigs, and a solid utility tandem @ SS with AGonz and Infante. Also, they have a ton of depth @ SS in the minors. Unless one of their middle infielders gets severely injured (possible), I don’t see them paying the big bucks on Uggla. They still have holes in the OF and bullpen to fill.

4 years 9 months ago

Yeah but since he rejected their offer that means he might be a traded too. So maybe if he gets traded to the big market teams he can get teh 5yr-55mil he wants from a big market team that needs a 2B ( Angels,Dodgers, Mets, Giants, Tigers,Twins)

LordD99
4 years 9 months ago

Uggla started his career late at 26, and if he goes the free-agent route, he’ll be starting with his new team at 32. That means this will probably be his only chance to go for the big dollars, yet it’s a bit of a risky move on his part. If he has an off year, because of his age, he’ll get less on the open market than what he just rejected. I think if the Marlins can come up with one more year and a little more money, he’ll sign, and it just may happen before they go to arbitration.

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

I’m thinking they explore a trade this offseason. Tigers and cardinals seem like possible landing spots. Cards have a couple BP guys with closer upside and mains were said to be looking to improve their pen through trade.

Redbirds16
4 years 9 months ago

You know as well as I do that the Cards don’t have Uggla’s money, not even for one year. The organization traded Ludwick to save less than they’d have to shell out for Uggla’s last year of arbitration, much less a contract extension. Granted, Uggla’s got a better bat than Ludwick, but his fielding is worse than Schumaker’s.

Tigers, Dodgers, Angels, and Giants? Maybe Cubbies if they can get a hold on their run-away payroll? Other big market teams — ChiSox, Atl, NYY, Bos, Texas, and Philly — are set at 2B.

amarlinsfan
4 years 9 months ago

Marlins ownership has already stated that if Uggla doesn’t sign an extension theres a good chance he wont be on the opening day roster

ludafish
4 years 9 months ago

Uh, thats the exact opposite of what they said. They have said they have him under control for one more year and plan on having him on the opening day roster. its at the trade deadline where things change.

4 years 9 months ago

Since Uggla is hitting the open market I would advise teams like the Giants, Rockies, Angels, and Tigers to try and get him

Andres322
4 years 9 months ago

Uqqla to the anqels for napoli and maybe kendrick

ze3
4 years 9 months ago

It’d be interesting and surprising if the Angels went after Uggla. Sounds good tho.Crawford+K-Mo+Beltre+Uggla=Sexy

WinterMediate
4 years 9 months ago

+Torrii Hunter+Abreu

cookmeister
4 years 9 months ago

its hard to know which Kendrick will show up. sometimes he looks like a batting champion and other times (when he isnt 100% it seems like) he just doesnt look good at all… i think the angels are still waiting for him to really break out in 2011

eyeglass1
4 years 9 months ago

On Arroyo: I am a Reds fan, but when this guy is pitching to his ability, you have a guy who’s really fun to watch throwing “junk” as everyone calls it. He can teach the young guys on that roster on how to really pitch, not over power. If you look at the Reds, they have one heck of a great core of young pitchers but they are either guys who overthrow at times (Volquez, Cueto, Bailey) or really smart young pitchers who optimize location (Wood and Leake). Arroyo gives the Reds 200 innings plus a year from a pitching style that is low stress on his arm and body. He can and should be signed. Walt won’t sign him for a lot and he fits the Reds budget. You really cannot be serious to thing it’s not smart to get a 200 inning guy when your budget is only in the middle of the pack?

4 years 9 months ago

I am all for this deal. I know some out there are like oh he is not going to keep doing what he has done… I would like to say why not. like the poster above me wrote his motion is very pain or stress free. Good teacher for Leake and Wood too I think. Love the move get it official.

Dwan
4 years 9 months ago

uggla is crazy passing that up. His defense is below average and he doesn’t have any speed on the bases, he’s one dimensional.

4 years 9 months ago

would it be crazy to trade uggla for greinke? just a thought as the royals need offense, the marlins need a better option for 2-4, and uggs seems to not want to sign. crazy? that would be josh, nolasco, greinke, sanchez and volstad. a pretty dominant line up.

$1529282
4 years 9 months ago

Why would the Royals make that trade? Uggla’s a year from free agency. They want young talent they can control for the 2012-2014 seasons when their top prospects are all emerging. One year of a player is nowhere near enough for Greinke. If the Marlins really wanted him, I imagine Kansas City would start with Mike Stanton. Then add on pitching from there.

If the Royals really want Uggla’s bat and don’t think he’s going to sign in Florida… they can wait a season and throw five years at him when he’s a free agent.

To sum up an answer to your original question: Yes. Absolutely, entirely, completely crazy.

4 years 9 months ago

i believe i already referenced that it was probably crazy.

4 years 9 months ago

Sometimes I check myself before I wreck myself.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 9 months ago

If you throw a third team in the mix who wants Uggla long term it’s less crazy. Mystery team sends prospects to Royals, Royals send Greinke to Florida, and Uggla goes to mystery team with some other pieces that I can’t speculate on. Also Florida needs to be actually willing to take on salary, not just say they’re willing to. Personally I’m betting Florida is low balling Uggla so they can have an excuse to trade him.

4 years 9 months ago

I would be the happiest Fish fan around.

4 years 9 months ago

he doesn’t have the defense as aging defender at a prime position to be asking for 5yrs.

Backup_Slider
4 years 9 months ago

I suspect Uggla’s playing a game here. While he may be publically saying that he wants to stay in Miami, he’s also tactically setting his contract demands at a level that he and his agent know full well that the Marlins won’t/can’t match. As of now, he has his sights set on playing elsewhere in 2012, even if it means signing a similar deal to what the Marlins have offered. Only a big-time overachieving season by the Marlins in 2011 could keep him there for the long run. And that’s just not very likely with the Phils and Braves as division mates.

4 years 9 months ago

I love Uggla

petrie000
4 years 9 months ago

if he’t got any sense at all he takes a front loaded deal, otherwise the Marlins are just signing him as trade bait. They’ll structure the contract so he’s cheap for the first two years… then dump him. typical Marlins.

He’s 32, so this is his one chance to really cash in before the inevitable decline starts. If he waits until next year and then makes it known he’s willing to play 1B, then he can really cash in with some team that doesn’t land Fielder or Gonzalez.

Gurvir Nijjar
4 years 9 months ago

dan uggla will probbally stay in florda if they meet his demands, if not i think the giants can land the star second basemen

EarlyMorningBoxscore
4 years 9 months ago

I agree. Uggla has been so good for the Marlins. Give him a deal he deserves and keep him there. Uggla has always been a favorite of mine.

4 years 9 months ago

Are you kidding? How is 4/48 low-balling a 30 year old second baseman with poor fielding skills? I’m a Marlins fan and I love Uggla to death, but that’s a great offer. I’m really surprised he turned that down.

Ferrariman
4 years 9 months ago

lowball? 4yr/48million is about what i’d expect uggla to be worth. it is a very fair offer.

smittysmind
4 years 9 months ago

Uggla will go.

smittysmind
4 years 9 months ago

The Marlins are the dumbest & cheapest team in baseball. They let the NLCS MPV go to save 1mil in payroll, and now Uggla will go. As a Giants fan may I just say THANK YOU!!! We would gladly take Uggla off the Marlins hands since they don’t seem to appreciate good players. We love Cody Ross!

Backup_Slider
4 years 9 months ago

Lurie? Don’t you mean Loria?

BWOzar
4 years 9 months ago

Like in 1997 and 2003…?

Dave_Gershman
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah I completely agree. That is like spending 1 Trillion dollars for the Marlins. Seriously though, I am shocked he wouldn’t take that offer, that is less anual money than the 6 year 60 MM deal he first seeked.

4 years 9 months ago

Uggla himself stated before that he wants to stay with the Marlins and hopes to get a deal done. I don’t know if he’s just really adamant about getting at least 5 years, but I have a feeling that Uggla will end up settling for this deal as we get closer to the season. Same thing happened with JJ this past season.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

or he could tear his acl, or seperate his shoulder, or just have a poor offensive season, and then never get those type of figures offered to him again

lakersdodgersyankees4life
4 years 9 months ago

so could anyone else. Using a possible injury thought is a cop out, especially if we arent talking about pitchers.

woadude
4 years 9 months ago

glass half empty today?

ludafish
4 years 9 months ago

You all dont know Cody Ross. Yeah he was great in the NLCS for you, but he was worthless during the whole regular season. You all swear we let a guy go like Hanley or Ugga. Ross batted .269 during the regular season with a .735OPS. He struck out all day long and left guys on base. I was very excited for him that he had a great post season and moved on from a struggling club to win a world series, but having him next year wont change your team at all. The marlins let him go to save money, but to also let the future of the team (Morrison, Maybin, and Staton) take over the outfield, with other good prospects waiting. The Giants didnt even want him, it was a block to the padres and at first they regretted having him. So no, it wasnt a stupid move, minus the postseason Ross is an average player at best. Letting Uggla walk would be a stupid move.

ludafish
4 years 9 months ago

I agree, its a good deal, especially from the fish. They most likely offered him less money this year to spend money in other areas of need and then pay him well the other 3 years. He’s one of those guys who said in the past money wasnt the issue but i guess it is. I dont blame him either, but you think he would take one for the team for one year. we need to hear from him what he didnt like about the deal, we all guess the 8million first year, but who knows. Hopefully whatever the issue they can work it out, like they did with JJ. Ive also seen the fish go lower first so when they increase the deal, a la JJ, it seems more enticing…

4 years 9 months ago

Possibly he wants out of FLA. Maybe he would like a chance to pick where he plays. The same money will likely be there next year in the location of his choice.

ludafish
4 years 9 months ago

JJ didnt just settle, he wanted 4 years and the marlins were only offering 3. once they added the fourth year he accepted.

4 years 9 months ago

Don’t worry, you’ll come to see the real Cody Ross next season. He’s VERY streaky and just happened to catch on fire this postseason

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Yes yes, turning down 4/48 is a cop out. sigh

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

just making a point that if he wants to stay he should take the security of the money that was offered to him.. based on the fact that you judge pitchers on Wins and Losses i dont expect you to understand.

gornie
4 years 9 months ago

i agree with miles, this is good money for uggla and he should have jumped on it…unless he truly doesn’t want to stick around. marlins made a good, almost unreasonably good, offer. uggla can’t field his position at 2b and would probably need to shift to a corner infield position soon, where he’d be less valuable than a true masher like adam dunn. 4 years of dunn might be worth this kind of money, but that’s a stretch for uggla.

gornie
4 years 9 months ago

you don’t know brian sabean. i loved the cody ross move, because he’s a .270 hitter who can draw a walk and go yard periodically. he’s a huge upgrade over crap like aaron rowand and mark derosa, huge mistakes that sabean made that he’ll continue to pay for in 2011 for derosa and beyond for rowand.

i think of ross as a .270/.320/.440 type guy who can play all three outfield slots and keep aaron rowand on the bench where he belongs. the type of guy that’s worth around $4m/yr…oh hey, that’s about what the marlins had him down for.

back to uggla, i agree that the fish don’t just drop him for nothing. you’ll get something big in return in july, if uggla can remain healthy until then.

gornie
4 years 9 months ago

bochy has torres, derosa, rowand, ross, schierholtz, huff to cycle in and out during streaks. i don’t need 162 from ross, but the best 130 and discard a month’s worth of cold streaks.

seriously, ross is not perfect but he’s a frickin’ upgrade over the mess that sabean has collected. that’s why i loved the pickup.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
4 years 9 months ago

No using the potential that a professional player could get hurt for the reason to not sign a power hitter in his prime to a 5 year deal

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

right…so why do players sign team friendly deals then? out of the goodness of their heart? maybe they don’t like money, that must be it, they hate money.

Please, its all about security, if he takes the deal now him and his family are secure, and its not a lowball offer, its a pretty fair deal. . He doesnt take it he’s taking a huge risk.

lakersdodgersyankees4life
4 years 9 months ago

He is. But with the control they already have, it is just 3 years. He wants 5 total, which means 4 more than his current. You don’t think hed get 4 years on the open market? Like I said, if they add the extra year and take off a few million from the annual salary, hed take it.

My point was the potential for an injury on a guy in his prime who, to my knowledge, has had no injury history, is a horrible reason to not give him the extra year
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

4 years 9 months ago

Of course it’s a great pickup considering the Giants gave up nothing for him and didn’t even really want him in the first place.

woadude
4 years 9 months ago

I dont judge them SOLELY on wins and losses, like i explained in that other post, but i feel they are important.. again a pitcher who is an ace should have at least 15-16 wins, do they need 18-20? no so i will not be bashed for my opinion on starting pitchers

woadude
4 years 9 months ago

in another way to explain my opinion on starters is a good starter will go at least 6 for a quality start and 7 to be an ace, and law of averages says when they are leading and its the 8th and 9th, sure games will be blown by the bullpen, but not all the time and sure aces have bad games and get rocked, but averaging out the blown saves and bad days at the end of the year, how do their stats look? again aside from Felix who pitched for a little league team, aces come out with 15-16 wins

gornie
4 years 9 months ago

neukom still had to sign off on an additional $1m in salary. kudos to giants ownership for opening the wallet.

as for not wanting him, sabean supposedly put in many trade offers for ross over the past couple of years, probably every time uggla talks broke down. which i believe because as everyone says, ross has proven to be a mediocre non-impact bat with a better-than-average glove. the kind of guy sabean dreams about.