Yankees Don’t Plan To Pursue Crawford, Werth

The Yankees will try to sign Cliff Lee this offseason, but it doesn’t look like they’ll bid as aggressively on the top free agent bats. At this point, they don’t plan to pursue Jayson Werth and Carl Crawford, according to Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News.

Brett Gardner, Nick Swisher and Curtis Granderson give the Yankees a capable and relatively affordable outfield. Crawford and Werth will require tens of millions of dollars and multiyear commitments, so the Yankees are reluctant to enter the bidding for them.

"We are better with Crawford, but at that price?" a Yankees source asked Feinsand. "I'm not sure it's that good of an upgrade."

Of course we didn’t expect the Yankees to end up with Mark Teixeira two winters ago, but they swooped in with a last minute bid. The Bronx Bombers could get by without Crawford and Werth and it appears that they don’t intend to sign either outfielder, but let’s not rule them out completely until it’s official.


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4 years 9 months ago

Doubt this.. I can see them Trading Swisher

4 years 9 months ago

I doubt it. Swisher is serviceable in the outfield and has a good switch hitting bat and is a perfect fit in the clubhouse. I don’t know if I see the Yanks re-signing him because of needing to move older guys around (and his woeful post-season performances), but I don’t see them trading him at all.

4 years 9 months ago

Last year at this time, a high-placed Yankee insider called Crawford “as good as a Yankee-in-waiting,” which is far more credible given the ways their supposed non-interest now could affect the price. I think the Teixeria saga is a great comparison, and I would be surprised — not shocked — to see the Yankees miss an opportunity to make a last-minute bid for Crawford, especially if the Angels are the only other serious suitor, which they may well be.

The_Silver_Stacker
4 years 9 months ago

Not a chance in hell

Septhinox
4 years 9 months ago

And get little in return and have to eat some salary? I doubt it.

qbass187
4 years 9 months ago

Is it just me or when I see the Yankees say they’re NOT going after a perticular free agent that actually means they ARE going after that perticular free agaent?

Infield Fly
4 years 9 months ago

NO. It’s not just you. It’s the Yankees.

Sawksfan
4 years 9 months ago

Yup, just typical Yankee misdirection baloney. I think Cashman has a psychology degree. LOL

4 years 9 months ago

Come to think about it Granderson will be gone before Swisher.. and they get in a bidding war with the BoSox and win Crawford, and play Gardner in CF

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

who’s taking granderson though?

realistically gardner is probably the most valuable OF they can dangle on the trade market.

4 years 9 months ago

I just don’t think they would let him go… after Jeter is gone he will be the next home grown face of the Yankees imo

daalper
4 years 9 months ago

how about cano?

4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, Cano will definitely be the next home grown face of the yankees, by far. Great bat, great fielder, he has future MVP and Gold glover written all over him, and this is coming from a Red Sox fan.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

its funny, he’s the one player whos just too good and to likeable on the yankees to hate.. maybe moe too, its tough to hate moe.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

Even more likeable than A-Rod??? Wow!!!

^ Sarcasm of course.

4 years 9 months ago

Gardner is vastly overrated, IMO. One decent season where he’s batting 9th in an All-Star lineup.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

but he’s still worth more then Swisher and Granderson, because he’s under control and making no money..

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah, vastly overrated for a $500k a year player.

4 years 9 months ago

How is he vastly overrated? Granted, he probably sees good pitches due to the lineup, but how does that explain his 79 BB’s in 569 PA’s, great speed, and fantastic defense?

4 years 9 months ago

because every Yankee fan in this city thinks he’s better than granderson or crawford. because his is the david eckstein of the yankees. because he (again) has one decent season under his belt. put him on another team (see Melky Cabrera) and see what he does…

Yucavich
4 years 9 months ago

Comparing Gardner to Melky…seriously? Think about what you are saying..

4 years 9 months ago

So you’re equating him to Melky Cabrera just because they have both donned a Yankees uniform? Seems like a good argument.

Gardner is just continuing where he left off in the minors–being a great OB, speed, and defense guy. It’s not as if he’s going to hit 20 HR.

4 years 9 months ago

no, i’m comparing their hype. not their game.

4 years 9 months ago

Well, you just lost the argument. If Gardner’s “game” isn’t being argued, then the so-called “hype” surrounding him is justified.

4 years 9 months ago

worst logic ever. gardner is better than cabrera, therefore his hype is legitimate.

4 years 9 months ago

You are really grasping at air. Gardner had a great season by all measures, yet you’re trying to claim he’s overhyped like Melky–even though you just admitted Gardner is in a different class than Melky! When a player has a great season like Gardner did, it’s not hype, it’s talent. Just accept it.

4 years 9 months ago

again. be honest with yourself. put gardner batting 8th on the dodgers, between russell martin and clayton kershaw. does he have the same results as he does on the yankees? not a chance.

4 years 9 months ago

He would be hitting leadoff for the Dodgers. But regardless, great plate discipline, speed, and defense has nothing to do with where you hit in a lineup or which team you play for. If you wanted to argue about R, RBI, or HR totals, maybe you would actual point instead of what you’re spewing.

4 years 9 months ago

Gardner is the only real dynamic player that can manufacturer a run by himself, ya granderson can do it too but not as well as gardner when we’re talking about getting on base. Discount Gardner’s bad september (quite frankly he’s still young) you have a great player on your hands who is extraordinarily different and adds a whole new dynamic to a line up of just power bats.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

No Yankee fan or any baseball fan said Gardner is better than Crawford. It’s just you wanting to put words in people’s mouth.

4 years 9 months ago

come to new york, talk to yankee fans.

4 years 9 months ago

I do live in New York, and that point isn’t being made.

The only point that is getting lost in this is whether the Yankees should go after Crawford/Werth. Since they already have Gardner/Granderson/Swisher set in the outfield, there’s no need to chase Crawford/Werth–however, if the Yanks decide to sign one of them, a trade will have to be made in order to open an outfield slot.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

Already live here, and am a Yankee fan. Nice try.

How about you tell people to go to Philly, talk to Philly fans. Who have said (before this year) Ryan Howard is better than Pujols because he hits more home runs.

Now when he K’s to end the NLCS, I was over on the ESPN boards, where Philly fans were saying he’s overrated.

The_Silver_Stacker
4 years 9 months ago

Gardner is flat out better than the Melk man

JaySchu
4 years 9 months ago

He had a 5.4 WAR this year, second only to Cano’s 6.4. He is that good.

By comparison, Swisher was at 4.1 and Granderson was at 3.6.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

He should be batting leadoff. Outside of Robinson Cano, he had the highest OBP of any Yankee and by far and away the most stolen bases on the team.

He needs to bat lead off full time, not Jeter.

4 years 9 months ago

Well, Jeter will probably hit behind him and GIDP. So batting second should be the righ choice for him.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

Even thoguh the Yankees will never do this, although it isn’t a bad idea regardless, how about batting 9th? Unless he repeats his 2009 season and not his 2010. Although I’ll settle for the in between

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

Well you didn’t answer my question about granderson though.

He’s owed 18 million the next 2 seasons. He started to come around in the second half last year, but I don’t know if you’ll get anything back to justify trading him off.

4 years 9 months ago

Face? I don’t think so (see: Cano). But definitely the new lead-off hitter of the future.

Sawksfan
4 years 9 months ago

I think they like how Granderson turned it around this year.

4 years 9 months ago

As a die hard Yankees fan and have been since 1980 this kinda upsets me. But I look back at the signing of Tex and they said the same thing. As much as I love Granderson I would trade him and put Gardner in CF and Crawford in LF. This also could be their way of saying we are going to get Lee at any cost. If they don’t go after Crawford and they don’t get Lee it will be just because he loves Texas which from what I hear is not the case. If Lee goes to the highest bidder he’s a Yankee.

GDane
4 years 9 months ago

Aww poor guy. Your team isnt going to open up the checkbook and snatch up all the best free agents this offseason. I cant imagine the agony.

Steelslayer
4 years 9 months ago

Agreed–it must be tough for Yankee fans to know that their team won’t buy every top notch free agent. Imagine they may only land Cliff Lee-what a terrible off season

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

I think there are more non-Yankee fans speculating that the Yanks would sign CC or Werth than there are Yankee fans that feel that way. But it’s ok. Expecting the worse might soften the blow if you expect your own team to do absolutely nothing this winter. Focus your hate eastward while the Angels, Tigers or some other team signs CC to a mega deal.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

You know what would be awesome? If the Yankees signed no meaningful free agent this winter.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

Well that’s what happened last winter.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

That would make it awesomer then, no? 😛

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

That would make it awesomer then, no? 😛

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Feel free to be jealous at any point in this discussion. Oh wait..

Sawksfan
4 years 9 months ago

That’s also funny. Same joke every year….how deep are the Yankee pockets?

We got jokes today!

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

They didn’t do it last year. Matter of fact they were amongst the bottom teams to do so last year. They mostly do it when they have a lot of payroll coming off the books like they did after 2008 when they had $80 million coming off. That’s why they got CC Tex and AJ

Matter of fact, on the Yankees roster, those are the only 3 players on the team whom they acquired via free agency, unless you count A-Rod coming back. Everyone else is eitehr homegrown or came via a trade.

Bernaldo
4 years 9 months ago

True, but without two of those guys (and Burnett is NOT one them) the Yankees don’t make the playoffs this year or win the Series in ’09.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

And that’s why they got them. To improve the team at a weak positions- SP and 1B. Giambi at 1B made Bill Buckner look like a GG. With Mussina out, Joba on an innings limit as a starter, and Pettitte who was thinking of retirement, they got Sabathia and Burnett. Pettitte I believe signed in January, a month after they got those guys.

I think the rotation going into the season was CC, Wang, AJ, Pettitte, Joba.

Sawksfan
4 years 9 months ago

That’s funny. Had to laugh.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 9 months ago

And after the 2005 season Cashman said they were planning on giving Bubba Crosby a chance to be a starter… a few weeks later they signed Damon. So yeah, I believe the phrase is “I’ll believe it when I see it.”

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

Yankees never said they were not interested in Damon.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 9 months ago

Great use of double negatives… My point was when they don’t try to sign a high price free agent they’ve been rumored to like then I’ll believe it.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

I’m for the most part good when using them. A common phrase you hear with double negatives is “I didn’t do nothing”

I can bet you everything, bearing an offseason injury to a Yankee OFer or bearing a trade of an OFer, the Yankees will not sign Carl Crawford. They don’t need him.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 9 months ago

Since when does “need” matter for a team with a checkbook?

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

I don’t know. Let’s ask the Red Sox the same question who have the checkbook. They didn’t need Lackey when they had Beckett (healthy at the time), Wakefield, Dice-K, Lester and Buchholz.

Although he came via trade, they didn’t need Gagne in 2007 when they had the best bullpen as is, except he was horrible for them.

I do not recall if Lowell was healthy or not healthy before this year started, but if he indeed was healthy, at the time of the signing, they didn’t need Beltre.

I’m not sure why you’re disagreeing with me on this or what your argument is. You’re acting as if I’m saying they can’t afford him. Well sure they can, but despite him being a great player, he’d be a waste of money for the team. Better to use the money on soemthing they do need, which is pitching and that’s why they want Lee, who would help the Yankees about 2304982304972x more than Crawford.

Sawksfan
4 years 9 months ago

Totally Disagree, they NEEDED Lackey because they had Wakefield and Dice-K and Buchholz was still unproven LOL

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

Buchholz pitched the entier 2nd half in 2009 and was fully ready. But they still had a 5 man rotation after 2009. The Yankees did not after 2008.

The Yankees primary rotation in 2008 was Wang, Mussina, Rasner, Pettitte and Ponson. Going into the offseason they had only Wang guaranteed to pitch in 2009. Mussina retired, Darrel Rasner was traded to Japan in November, Pettitte didn’t re-sign until January and might do the same this year, and Sidney Ponson went to KC I believe. Joba was a starter for some games in 2008 and they knew they’d have an innings limit on him in 2009

The only full time starter for 2009 they had going into the offseason after 2008 was Wang.

3 of the others were gone, 1 was unsure of whether he would return. CC and Burnett made perfect sense to come here.

While I can’t say the Red Sox acquiring Lackey was a bad move, despite him having an average year, he wasn’t needed desperately.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

I should correct myself and say acquiring CC and Burnett made perfect sense for the Yankees. Just like attempting to acquire Lee does this year. As of right now, they only have a 3 man rotation set. 2 of the 3 are inconsistent.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Matt Holliday, Jason Bay and John Lackey were all linked to the Yanks. Yanks have three needs. Starting pitching (at least 1 front of rotation), bullpen upgrades and a RH replacement for Thames. Other than than trying to sign Lee I expect all other pickups to be of the Thames, Winn or Park variety.

4 years 9 months ago

Brett Gardner is world’s better than Bubba Crosby though–that’s the key difference.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 9 months ago

And Werth and Crawford are worlds better than Gardner… not sure what your point is.

4 years 9 months ago

The point is that Gardner is a starting player, whereas Crosby was not. If the Yankees were to sign Werth or Crawford, they would have to make room for him–which was not the situation with Damon. Now do you understand the point now?

Yucavich
4 years 9 months ago

Crawford, maybe. Werth? He is not “worlds better” than Gardner. Gards is a much better fielder, and has adequate offensive tools for what the Yankees need.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

WAR

Crawford 6.9
Gardner 5.4
Werth 5.0

Crawford is way better, but as I wrote, Yankees do not need him.

hoagiebuchanan
4 years 9 months ago

Werth is indeed “worlds better” than Brett Gardner.

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

If you say so. I don’t use WAR much, but for those who do, WAR says Gardner is. Or at least was, in 2010

MB923
4 years 9 months ago

And if you mean “worlds better” being more power, I agree. But Gardner gets on base more, steals more and plays better defense. 2 different types of players.

By your logic, an OFer with good power is “worlds better” than Ichiro.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

I think you have to seperate the situations. In one case you had a virtual nobody who had a career year @ .276/.304/.327 @ age 28 and a minor lge pedigree of .277/.346/.417 in 7 seasons. In the other case of Gardner, you have a guy coming off of a .277/.383/.367 w/ 47/56 SB. In one case you’re going into a season w/ a virtual unknown. In the other you have more of a known quantity that helped you finish 1 win shy of the best record in the AL.

I would be shocked if the Yanks made a serious play for CC or Werth. I think these Yankees are a little diferent from the Boss led Yanks. I don’t think they make moves for the sake of making moves. How many wins will CC or Werth add above Gardner or Swisher? I think the Yanks know they have to improve the rotation and even if they miss out on Lee they will try and acquire someone and that someone isn’t going to be making lge minimum. So whomever they acquire along with either CC or Werth pushes the Yankees to the $220-$225 range and an additional 40% luxury tax rate for every player they acquire while they are over the threshold which they will obviously be. So instead of paying CC $20 mil per it acutally $28 mil per. Is it worth paying CC $28 mil per when Gardner @ $400k gives you just about everything CC does except for 15 hrs?

4 years 9 months ago

Probably not going to happen, but I’d love to have the Dodgers go after Crawford to round out the scariest outfield in baseball. Kemp could use a guy like Crawford to push him…

RiverKKiller999
4 years 9 months ago

Surprise ,surprise who didn’t see this coming?They’ll probably end up with Lee ..I just got 1 question about this statement “We are better with Crawford, but at that price?” a Yankees source asked Feinsand. “I’m not sure it’s that good of an upgrade.”

Since when has money been an issue for the Yankees ? :) Didn’t they say the same about Mark Teixeira or CC Sabathia and boom!! they signed Tex,CC,and AJ?

NYBravosFan10
4 years 9 months ago

I think I know why. Look at the money they are paying Mark Teixiera, A-Rod, CC, AJ. Look how much Crawford or werth would cost. Look at how much Jeter, Pettite, and Rivera are going to cost. Look at how much Cano’s, Gardner’s, Hughes’ and Jobs’s eventual raises are going to have to be…even the Yankees run low on money at some point. Giving away all that money would put them around 350mil a year I would think. Not even the Yankees are that good.

NYBravosFan10
4 years 9 months ago

oh and add LEe too lol

RiverKKiller999
4 years 9 months ago

Did you not get my sarcastic smile?

NYBravosFan10
4 years 9 months ago

oh, didn’t see the smile actually lol

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

Sigh…big difference to having $80 mil coming of the books and using it to acquire CC, AJ and Tex. This year (assuming the Yanks bring back Mo, Jeter and Pettitte) Yanks have about $20 mil coming off and adding Lee and CC/Werth equates to a net salary gain of $25 mil and another $10 mil in luxury tax. So the difference is going into the off season coming off of a $200 mil payroll and ending at a $200 payroll with CC, AJ and Tex added vs going into winter of 2010 w/ a payroll of $210 and coming out with a $230 mil payroll and more money spent on the luxury tax. Big difference.

I shake my head when ppl can’t fathom what happened in 2008. They had..

-There best starter retiring in 20 game winner Mussina
-Starting LF (Abreu)
-Starting DH/1B (Giambi)
-Pavano
-I-rod

This year they only have Vazquez and Johnson as the big money guys coming off so unless they don’t mind going into the $225-$230 range then they have to be carefull. Even with Lee they are pushing against thhe $210-$215 range and then have to go cheap to fill the other spots.

RepOak
4 years 9 months ago

Lee will probably won’t go to the wankees. After the Wankee fans ruined it with the whole incident with Lee’s wife. When it comes down to it his family has the last say and they made it loud and clear that they don’t like NY and their fans.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

I’m sure 160 million will change her attitude pretty quick

RepOak
4 years 9 months ago

There is no way he will get 160 million. 20 mill a year sounds more realistic.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

No way he only gets 20, He’ll be looking for a 6-7 year 23-25 mil a year contract..

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Yeah and guess what. The Yankees will not participate at those levels. Lee gets offered a 4 year deal, maybe adds a fifth max, if needed to seal the deal. Yanks are treading on dangerous ground with a lot of “older” high dollar contracts. Yeah they are aggressive spenders, but they are not stupid. Quite frankly, I think many of us are wrong. The Yankees may set the market for Lee, but I’m not persuaded he is going to the Yanks, coming from a Yank fan. I think many neglect to consider Cashman is a shrewd and very good negotiator. That being said, with the Lee thing becoming such a spectacle, I wouldn’t rule out Cashman blowing our minds with some big trade. For who, who knows, but you serve up Montero, Joba, and one of the other many highly rated arms they have, well that’s a serious package to get a serious discussion going, a package that could match or better any team in the league this offseason.

moonraker45
4 years 9 months ago

but why give up montero or betances, both could be future all stars, for a pitcher who probably wont be as good as lee, unless they trade for Felix Hernandez, which would prob take a bigger package.

Money is their greatest resource, why not just sign lee and keep their prospects.

I mean if you are right and Lee doesnt age well, the team will still be better with Betances and Montero then without them.

Especially Betances, I mean ever seen this kid pitch?? He has Ace written all over him.

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

I agree with some of this. We just don’t know.

4 years 9 months ago

I don’t know, almost every Yankee fan wants to trade them for a pitcher. I don’t know about them but I can handle losing a couple seasons just so our prospects could transition.

0bsessions
4 years 9 months ago

“I think many neglect to consider Cashman is a shrewd and very good negotiator”

Cashman may be shrewd, but he’s got Hank to contend with. Never underestimate a guy who overstepped his GM to sign A-Rod to that last monstrosity of a contract.

Maybe Hal got Hank to back off forever, I dunno, I don’t work there. Hal is clearly the smarter of the two as far as baseball minds go, that said, the precedent has been set that Hank MAY overreach Cashman at any time and we simply can’t put it past him, especially in a circumstance like this where if Pettitte retires and the Yankees don’t get Lee, their rotation could become a huge weakness.

The_Silver_Stacker
4 years 9 months ago

Hal controls anything and everything to do with the teams finances, Hank is more hands on with the baseball operations just to clear that up

daalper
4 years 9 months ago

its easy to be a good negotiator with $160mil in your hand.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

It makes perfectly good sense for the Yanks to sign Lee. Ppl make way too much of the state and age of the Yanks lineup. The two most integral parts of the Yanks future might be Montero and their minor lge pitchers. We keep talking about the three killer B’s but we won’t know which ones might hit and which ones might miss. Montero is the best shot we have of adding a dynamic bat to the lineup w/o spending millions upon millions. IF Posada retires after this year (which I’m sure he will) and if Arod and Jeter didn’t just have a bad season but was actually the start of their offensive decline then we need a powerfull bat, especially from the right side, to pick up the slack w/o costing millions and if you look carefullu we don’t have too many places to make those improvements position wise. Keep in mind that Pettitte is probably not going to be around after 2011 and AJ comes off in 2013. If we don’t sign Lee then we are forced to use Montero and one of Bets/Ban/Brack as trade pieces. Whomever we acquire will most likely be a pitcher being moved for salary reasons (what other reasons do you ever see front rotation guys traded these days) and will probably either be under contract for $15 mil + or require an extension of $15 mil or plus.

So why not just spend $20-$25 to get Lee as opposed to Montero + ble chip pitching prospect + others + $15-$20 mil in salary??

SIGN LEE AND KEEP THE PROSPECTS. Then we can gradually use those prospects to replace our own aging pitchers and/or acquire pieces in the OF to replace Jeter or someone else at the end of their deals.

Encarnacion's Parrot
4 years 9 months ago

If Halladay took a paycut for $20mil a year, and Lee already has said he won’t do that, he’ll be making more than $20mil a year.

If no MLB offers that, he’ll listen to offers from outside North America.

TheGuvnr
4 years 9 months ago

Then why wouldn’t he get 160 million? He’ll probably get 20 mill a year for 8 years, which equals: 160 million!

Guest
4 years 9 months ago

Put your monopoly money down for five minutes and think, dude..

CC’s deal is not a template for a Lee deal, as others have compared. CC is a far more durable pitcher, who was younger. CC had been dominant since day 1, where as Lee not so much. Most of Lee’s success has come in the last 2-3 season, starting around age 30. Lee will be a force for the next 2 seasons, beyond that, we’re talking risky business.

4 years 9 months ago

Lee is a greatly different pitcher than CC, The only risks you’ll have when signing Lee is his occasional abdominal strains; Control pitchers don’t light up the radar guns but are effective even in their mid to late 30s. You could safely sign lee to a 7 year deal and be confident he will be effective in his late 30s. CC is supposed to be an overpowering pitcher, Lee is by no means that. He’s a pitcher not a thrower, he’s mastered his craft at a level most pitchers will never achieve.

daalper
4 years 9 months ago

i agree CC’s contract isnt a template for lee, but i also think the yankees are feeling a little bit desperate for pitching.

also, a contract for any pitcher is risky, 100% of the time. i hope the yanks dont end up with lee, and i dont think they will. there are a few other AL teams with money to spend that need him real bad, and i think they will shell out.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 9 months ago

I disagree. FA is a fluid situation and no team or player operates in a bubble. I think there’s a natural succession and escalation of top free agent pitcer salaries.

Zito @ 18
Santana @ 22.9
Sabathia @ 23.5

Halladay took what I think was a salary discount when he signed the extension with the Phillies at $20 mil per. I think Lee’s floor is $20, his mean is $23 and his ceiling is $25. Because Lee is friend with Lee and because I don’t think any other team will go above $20 then I think inorder to avoid controversy, if Lee signed w/ the Yanks it won’t exceed $23.5

studio179
4 years 9 months ago

8 years for a 32 year old pitcher is too long. I think CC was 28 when the Yanks signed him for 7 years.