Angels, Weaver Begin Talks About Long-Term Deal

The Angels and Jered Weaver have opened talks about a long-term contract extension according to team owner Arte Moreno, reports Mark Saxon of ESPN Los Angeles. Moreno also commented on the reported bad blood between the team and Weaver's agent, Scott Boras…

"My mother always told me, 'If you don't have something nice to say about somebody, don't say anything,'" said Moreno. "I don't have to deal with anybody I don't have to deal with. That's the way I live my life."

Weaver filed for $8.8MM in salary arbitration last week while the team countered with $7.37MM, as our Arbitration Tracker shows. Ben Nicholson-Smith called his case one of ten arbitration cases to watch just a few days ago. 

The 28-year-old Weaver finished fifth in the Cy Young voting and made his first All-Star Game in 2010, pitching to a 3.01 ERA in 224 1/3 innings. He struck out 9.3 batters per nine innings and walks just 2.2 per nine. The 2010 AL strikeout king is scheduled to become a free agent after the 2012 season. GM Tony Reagins told Saxon that it's too early predict if a deal will be reached, but he did say "Any time you have dialogue, it's positive."


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80 Comments on "Angels, Weaver Begin Talks About Long-Term Deal"


cookmeister
4 years 7 months ago

Begin* talks?

I hope something can be worked out. It has been a difficult relationship between Boras and the Angels, so i am not sure how the talks will go. I love Weaver, he is a really competitive guy with an edge to him that the angels need to have around. Plus he is a local guy, so it would be a great all around situation.

kdub53
4 years 7 months ago

Hah I saw that too

diehardmets
4 years 7 months ago

If a deal gets done, it would take the edge off the miserable off season the Angels have had.

4 years 6 months ago

hahahah says a Mets fan

monkeyspanked
4 years 7 months ago

Does anyone have any faith that Reagins can get this one right? He’s got a giant hole to dig himself out of.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 7 months ago

4/88 sounds about right!

bjsguess
4 years 7 months ago

No doubt he could get it done. Whether he overpays is an entirely different question. Weaver is good but he isn’t Verlander or Hernandez good.

kdub53
4 years 7 months ago

They had better do something soon… Lock him up now And don’t wait till after 2012! If they let him go to free agency he’s gonna walk…we have been through and seen all this before!

4 years 7 months ago

best thing i’ve heard in a while

4 years 7 months ago

Hopefully something can be worked out, but it’s not likely the Angels will be getting much of a hometown discount obviously with Boras especially given his not so great reputation with dealing with the Angels, at least from rumors anyways.

Maybe they’re trying to solidify something while Weaver still has two years left so there isn’t as much tension and rushed feeling to getting things done.

mwach1
4 years 7 months ago

“I don’t have to deal with anybody I don’t have to deal with. That’s the way I live my life.”

Tautology’s are dumb (and so is Moreno for allowing one of the worst trades in history to go down)

BurtisHB
4 years 7 months ago

If dumb = billionaire I’M IN!

mwach1
4 years 7 months ago

touchez

BoSoxSam
4 years 7 months ago

*Begin

Come on guys. It’s the headline. 😛

Guest
4 years 7 months ago

Weaver is borderline elite, if hes not already. This won’t be easy me thinks.

4 years 7 months ago

More like he had one borderline elite season with career numbers in basically every statistical category, and Boras will exploit that fact to no end in negotiations comparing him to Cliff Lee’s contract and etc. You’re right in that this won’t be easy, for the Angels that is.

bjsguess
4 years 7 months ago

I’m in agreement with you. I’m not sure that Weaver is an elite pitcher. If you can’t strike a reasonable deal this off-season then wait until the next one. Odds are he won’t repeat his 2010 campaign. If you pay for the 2010 version of Weaver there is a great chance that you will be very disappointed.

Pete
4 years 7 months ago

This should be an easy extension, its not like the Angels gave $80MM away for no reason recently…..oh wait

nats2012
4 years 7 months ago

The Angels better fix this with Boras, Im not saying hes a great guy or anything, but just fake it till you make it with him. Like it or not, Boras represents some of the best talent in this league.

4 years 7 months ago

Maybe they can use him to pry Zito away from the Giants. Get it done Reagins!

4 years 7 months ago

If it doesn’t get done Angels fans will be pointing to the Wells trade. Reagins better get it done.

4 years 7 months ago

Next Headline: Angels Swap Weaver for Mitre, Chamberlain, and Nunez.

4 years 7 months ago

That just about made me throw up

4 years 7 months ago

Let’s make Weaver a franchise guy! Overpay him if you have to Arte! At least you are overpaying for homegrown, elite talent…

bjsguess
4 years 7 months ago

Homegrown? The guy had 28 starts in the minors. He was handed to us as a super developed college player.

Overpaying is overpaying. Doesn’t matter who it is. Overpaying is always bad.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 7 months ago

I would be shocked if Boras advised Weaver to sign anything more that a 2 year deal, unless Weaver insisted on being an Angel for longer.

4 years 7 months ago

What? Angels would better off go to arbitration than a two year deal. Also, why wouldn’t Weaver want to be an Angel for longer.

Guest
4 years 7 months ago

Hes gotta surf man. Where else better?

4 years 7 months ago

Yeah… what’s the point in buying out his two last arbitration years without extending him past that. No advantage for the Angels in doing that, and endless negotiating room for Weaver given his phenomenal season last year.

YanksFanSince78
4 years 7 months ago

Why would they be better of going to arbtration w/o having no idea what kind of deal they might strike? Certainly, an extension that covers free agent years makes THEE most sense, but in this case, a deal like 2/$15 total would be a great move for the Angles. Considering they are offering $7.3 mil and Weaver is requesting $8.8 mil it’s a nice compromise. There’s a slight risk involved but considering it’s a risk for only 2012 it’s a small one.

If Weaver were to get either the $7.3 or his $8.8 reason stands that another decent year would net him upwards of $7.5 in 2012.

Obviously, FA buyouts are much better for the organization.

As for whether or not he wants to be an Angel, I have no idea? Simply stated that unless he wanted to forego testing the market because he loved being an Angel then I doubt he would sign beyond his FA years because of his agent.

Speaking of Boras and his clients, Weaver’s case boils down to, who is he closer to being…..

Carlos Gonzalez or Prince Fielder? Does he sign early or test the market?

PushDown
4 years 7 months ago

I dunno about Weaver wanting to be an Angel. Tex wanted to be an Angel. CC wanted to be an Angel. Hopefully Weaver is different, but don’t hold your breath.

And please Torii, I love you bro, but don’t try to be a salesman again. I don’t know what you showed CC and Tex, but that did not work out.

kdub53
4 years 7 months ago

not to mention to torii….quit trying to be a GM and play baseball while your getting paid to do so…
try to GM hand later when your old :)

VegasANGELSFan
4 years 7 months ago

If the Angels hate Boras so much (which they obv do), they should take away his season tickets. If they refuse to deal with him, I shouldn’t have to see him when I watch Angels’ games.

4 years 7 months ago

It’s amazing to compare Weaver’s 2010 numbers with King Felix’s. The only reason I give Felix the Cy Young over Weaver is Felix’s #s against the Yankees.

But hey, as long as CC didn’t win, I’m happy.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 7 months ago

Theres a reason why CC, Felix, Lester, and Buchholz finished ahead of Weaver for the Cy Young. They were all better pitchers than him last year!

4 years 7 months ago

What evidence do you have for each of them?

Ferrariman
4 years 7 months ago

i can’t agree with Buccholz, but Felix nearly won the strikeout title last year. He was one less than Weaver. Literally, 1 less. He beat him in everything else if i remember right.

CC was the most valuable overall pitcher IMO. without him, Yankees don’t make the playoffs. Note i didn’t say he was the best pitcher.

Lester was flat outstanding. 6+ WAR season.

i’d like to hear your case for Weaver. I’m sure you’ll use the strikeout title as the centerpiece, that whopping 1 strike out advantage.

4 years 7 months ago

Why try to remember what Felix beat him in when you can do a quick Google search?

Weaver vs Felix vs CC

Innings: 224.1 vs 249.2 vs 237.2
Wins: 13 vs 13 vs 19
Losses: 12 vs 12 vs 7
ERA: 3.01 vs 2.27 vs 3.18
Games Started: 34 vs 34 vs 34
Quality Starts: 27 vs 30 vs 26
Strikeouts: 233 vs 232 vs 197
Walks: 54 vs 70 vs 74
Hits: 187 vs 194 vs 209
Runs: 83 vs 80 vs 92
Earned Runs: 75 vs 63 vs 84

It’s quite obvious that outside of wins and losses, CC is in 3rd place here.

As far as Weaver and Felix, the similarities are astounding. They had the same number of wins and losses; basically the same number of strikeouts; same number of games started; and basically the same number of runs. What is significantly different, however, are innings pitched and earned runs. The earned runs suggest that Seattle’s defense let Felix down. Of course, he also plays in a pitcher’s park.

Considering all of the similarities, I don’t see how you can say Felix is leaps and bounds ahead of CC, Buchholz, and Lester and then say Weaver was 5th best. The only statistic I’m interested in is how they faired against dominant offenses. I’m not going to bother doing more research for you, so you can check it out yourself. Felix single handedly destroyed the Yankees in Yankee Stadium, whereas Weaver did not. That is why I give the nod to Hernandez.

If you want to say that CC’s efforts some how carried the Yankees to the playoffs, you’ll have to explain why Felix failed to carry his team to more than 61 wins (Weaver “carried” his team to 80). This business about one pitcher somehow making or breaking it for a team is moot. Of course CC was the difference for the Yankees. What other player wasn’t the difference? Why does it matter if one player put a team over the top? It doesn’t make them the Cy Young – especially when their numbers aren’t even 2nd best.

PushDown
4 years 7 months ago

HAHAHA Ferrariman, you just got destroyed.

Seriously though, the evidence to support Weaver’s case agaisnt CC’s or even Lester’s is overhwelming.

And here’s something Aaron didn’t mention. It has nothing to do with stats but consider this. The Red Sox and Yankees had a powerful lineup that provided them with pretty decent leads. Trust me, as a high-school pitcher, I know it is easier to pitch when you know you have a little lee-way. Both Felix and Weaver on the other hand, repeatedly pitched with a small lead, or even no lead. The pressures on them every inning to go out there to keep their team ahead or in the ballgame. Basically, easy games were few and far between for them, and they had to be sharp game-in game-out.

Like I said, stats don’t show that, but the fact is both Felix and Weav played in more high intensity games than Lester and CC. For them to get the win, they had to be and were perfect everygame, no off-games. That right there is an ace.

PushDown
4 years 7 months ago

Oh and to your point that CC was their team’s most valuavle pitcher overall, think about this. Without Weav, the Angels would have to play catch-up in many games with their paltry offense. They also called on Weav to stop losing streaks and start winning steaks numerous times throughout the season. And anybody watching Angel games last year, ( WHOA someone outside the West Coast watching a non-Red Sox non-Yankee game? *GASP* good lord!) can tell Weaver’s pitching rubbed off positively on Santana and even Haren.

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

but CC pitched 13 more innings than Weaver…making pretty much all of your information useless because its not based on per 9.

4 years 7 months ago

When considering Cy Youngs, it’s better to look at totals than rates. Regardless, your point hurts you more than helps. In 13.1 more innings, CC had

20 more walks
22 more hits
11 more runs
36 less strikeouts

All that in 13.1 innings? wow

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 7 months ago

Buchholz was superior to Weaver in just about every
way other than strikeouts! Not even close!

4 years 7 months ago

Please post the numbers.

EDIT: I posted the numbers in an above reply. You’re either ignorant, a troll, or a fan who will back his players for no good reason.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 7 months ago

Clay Buchholz: 17-7, 2.33 era!

Jered Weaver: 13-12, 3.01 era!

Not even close!

4 years 7 months ago

I’ll be nice and post Buchholz’s numbers for you:

Weaver vs Felix vs CC vs Buchholz

Innings: 224.1 vs 249.2 vs 237.2 vs 173.2
Wins: 13 vs 13 vs 19 vs 17
Losses: 12 vs 12 vs 7 vs 7
ERA: 3.01 vs 2.27 vs 3.18 vs 2.33
Games Started: 34 vs 34 vs 34 vs 28
Quality Starts: 27 vs 30 vs 26 vs 19
Strikeouts: 233 vs 232 vs 197 vs 120
Walks: 54 vs 70 vs 74 vs 67
Hits: 187 vs 194 vs 209 vs 142
Runs: 83 vs 80 vs 92 vs 55
Earned Runs: 75 vs 63 vs 84 vs 45

Why are we discussing Buchholz? He has so few innings compared to the others that you’d have to resort to rates in order to get a clear comparison. Whenever you have to resort to rates, you know a pitcher isn’t qualified to win the Cy Young.

No pitcher with less than 20 quality starts in a season (lest it be a reliever) deserves an award.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 7 months ago

The fact that the baseball writers in America voted so, oh yeah, and they all had superior stats to Weaver as well!

4 years 7 months ago

The same ones who gave Derek Jeter a Gold Glove?

More numbers and less words would help your case.

bjsguess
4 years 7 months ago

Superior stats?

Get rid of defense, offensive support and strand rate. Here is what the PITCHERS actually did.

Weaver – FIP – 3.06 / xFIP – 3.51 / 5.9 WAR
Hernandez – FIP – 3.04 / xFIP – 3.26 / 6.2 WAR
Sabathia – FIP – 3.54 / xFIP – 3.78 / 5.1 WAR
Lester – FIP – 3.13 / xFIP – 3.29 / 5.6 WAR
Buccholz – FIP – 3.61 / xFIP – 4.20 / 3.7 WAR

The irony in this discussion is that you are busy spouting off nonsense about the top pitchers and you ignore the BEST 3 in the AL.

Lee – FIP – 2.58 / xFIP – 3.23 / 7.1 WAR
Verlander – FIP – 3.01 / xFIP – 3.68 / 6.6 WAR
Liriano – FIP – 2.66 / xFIP – 3.06 / 6.0 WAR

I don’t think most people have any idea how absolutely filthy Liriano was last year. The guy ranked 2nd in K/9, 2nd in FIP, 1st in xFIP.

If it were up to me the rankings would be (1) Lee, (2) Liriano, (3) Hernandez, (4) Verlander, (5) Weaver, (6) Lester. However, ALL of those guys could easily be debated as being the best pitcher in the AL last year. The differences between them are very, very small.

YourBase
4 years 7 months ago

Not really.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 7 months ago

Great comeback!

4 years 7 months ago

correction, those guys were ahead in voting because they play on east coast big market teams. If Weaver was a Yank or a Red Sux then he would have won hands down. King Felix won because he deserved it.

RedSoxDynasty
4 years 7 months ago

Big time sour grapes! Everyone feels bad cuz Reagins is doing his best to ruin your team but don’t take it out on the 4 pitchers who were head and shoulders better than Weaver last year!

Lunchbox45
4 years 7 months ago

king felix won because he deserved it, despite the east coast bias..

but weaver came in fifth because of the east coast bias…

ohhh… I get it now

AmericanMovieFan
4 years 7 months ago

Weaver has never had a bad year and has put up decent innings totals along the way. Also he’s young. And despite some FA signings and trades, the Angels are pretty good about keeping home grown players for a long time. Weaver is a perfect candidate to be locked up. I’d say for his sake start at 2 years/$20MM but for the Angels’ sake maybe talk 6 years/$72MM. It’s a lot of money for him, but you avoid paying a premium a couple years down the road if he keeps this up.

4 years 7 months ago

weaver would never do 6 yr $72 mil. I say 4 yr $48-51 mil

AmericanMovieFan
4 years 7 months ago

Hey- in an era of inflated contracts I was just trying to be pragmatic- make the player ridiculously wealthy but leave room for error for the team in case he fell off or got badly injured. Yeah, I could have suggested 6 yrs/$120MM but I guarantee you that would seem like an overprice at some point. So perhaps something in the middle would make more sense. 6 yrs/$90MM seems more reasonable. But 6/$120 is insane, even for Weaver.

PushDown
4 years 7 months ago

6/72MM would be gladly accepted if this was a few years back, but the market has changed. If Beltre gets 6/96MM, no way a legit ace like Weav gets 6/72. I still don’t understand why Weaver did not get more CY attention last year. He proved he could battle with King Felix, and he had no problem pitching in Fenway or Arlington. This guy is an Cy-caliber pitcher, he knows it, and more importantly that sly devil Boras knows it.

bjsguess
4 years 7 months ago

Weaver’s never had a “bad” year but he also hasn’t been outstanding like he was in 2010 either. You are looking at a guy who will give you between 3.5 and 4.0 WAR. On the open market that’s about $20m/year.

He’s got 2 years of arb left. At the most you are looking at $18m for those years. After that … I’d give him $18m/year over the next 4 seasons. That leaves you at 6/$90. No great bargain BTW but certainly a reasonable contract for both sides.

angels27
4 years 7 months ago

perhaps the Wells trade has Weaver, a fly ball pitcher, stoked on staying in Anaheim a few more years given the excellent outfield he will be pitching pepper to. Wells’ UZR rating seems rather low to me, and perhaps a move to an open air ball field with real grass and the move to LF will help improve that stat.