Chone Figgins Rumors: Friday

6:29pm: Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik told MLB.com's Jane Lee and Greg Johns that the team's plan is to have Figgins at third base on Opening Day. "I'm looking forward to Figgins being our starting third baseman … He'll be here tomorrow [for the Mariners' FanFest]. He's been agreeable to moving back to third base and that's our plan, to have Chone be our Opening Day third baseman."

1:17pm: The A's are on Figgins' limited no-trade list and he hasn't yet been asked to waive it, according to Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle (on Twitter).

12:50pm: There could be a third team involved in trade talks, according to ESPN.com's Buster Olney (Twitter link). Olney suggests the Blue Jays could be the third team. Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos acknowledged last night that the team has toyed with the idea of adding a third baseman, so the Blue Jays could have interest in Kouzmanoff.

8:47am: The A’s are trying to acquire Chone Figgins for Kevin Kouzmanoff and perhaps a pitcher, according to Joe Stiglich of the Contra Costa Times. Figgins, 33, could play third base for the A's, who missed out on free agent Adrian Beltre.

The Mariners owe Figgins $26MM through 2013 and the infielder's contract includes a vesting option for 2014. Figgins hit .259/.340/.306 last year with 42 stolen bases and 74 walks. He led the league with 101 walks in 2009, stealing 42 bases and posting a .298/.395/.393 line for another AL West team, the Angels.

The Braves inquired on Figgins last July, but there hasn't been reported interest in him since.


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253 Comments on "Chone Figgins Rumors: Friday"


macdice
4 years 6 months ago

If they are taking all of the remainig balance on the contract then I would say have fun in Oakland Chone.

start_wearing_purple
4 years 6 months ago

I know Figgins had an awful year in Seattle, but I think giving up on him, especially if Kouzmanoff is the key piece, is an awful idea.

Guest
4 years 6 months ago

It does seem awfully soon for them to be giving up on him. Even in a down season, he still had a respectable OBP, and stole 42 bases. His SLG left a lot to be desired, but the main thing for leadoff-types — especially speedsters like Figgins — is just getting to that first base. Chances are pretty good that he’ll then steal a base, or be able to reach third off a single, or score off a double.

4 years 6 months ago

Agreed. That 6.1 WAR megaseason he had probably isn’t going to be repeated soon, but I also think last year’s 0.6 mark was probably an aberration, too. It seems reasonable he returns to the 2.7-3.2 level he was at in 2007-2008. And with the market as it is, that justifies his contract… and then some.

Moving back to third will probably help him settle back in, too.

m4r1n3r
4 years 6 months ago

Indeed. For Kouz alone it won’t be worth it. That pitcher better be pretty good. I’m kind of excited about the prospect of freeing up a bunch of money though.

massage_1953
4 years 6 months ago

Angels will not even attempt to get Chone back into the fold. Once your gone…. your gone!!!

4 years 6 months ago

I’m still trying to figure out why this comment was even posted.

4 years 6 months ago

I didn’t know A’s was short for A(ngel)’s.

SmackSaw
4 years 6 months ago

My gone what?

Furge
4 years 5 months ago

‘you’re’ gone, not ‘your’ gone. Please try to keep up.

4 years 6 months ago

He can’t possibly be as bad as he was last year. Looks like Beane may think he has a great shot at the division. With the young pitching he may be right.

Dawg24
4 years 6 months ago

The more I think about this the more I like it GoA’s!

safari_punch
4 years 6 months ago

Sub Milton Bradley for Figgins and you have yourself a deal Beane.

Pete
4 years 6 months ago

haha Milton hates Billy and was very vocal about it, thats how he got traded to SD.

Chuck345
4 years 6 months ago

Really? I can’t picture Milton hating anything with his great personality.

Dawg24
4 years 6 months ago

The more I think about this, the more I like it GoA’s!

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

This would be a great deal for the A’s … but if thats all it takes is kouz + a pitcher (prob a minor leaguer) .. You would think other teams would jump in and try to land him

I’ve been preaching for AA to pull the trigger on figgins, he makes so much sense for the Jays right now

4 years 6 months ago

Jack Z got fleeced once already by the Jays in the Morrow for League trade… lets hope he’s interested in bending over again… Question however, Lawrie might not be up this year, but what do we do next year when he’s most likely ready and we re-sign Bautista… Lawrie and Snider could play the corners, Davis in CF (or someone else) and then Bautista would move to 3rd… OR Lawrie at 3rd, and Bautista in the corner OF spot…

For this year, might look good… but the next 2 years? we already have a solid Util infielder in Johnny Mac…

4 years 6 months ago

And… what pieces would we need to give up for Figgins do you think?

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

Hmm thats a tough call.. Jays have a lot of arms and the Mariners rotation is kind of thin behind King Felix. I would assume it would have to be a major league ready arm + a B prospect..

So I would do a

Jesse Litsch or Marc Rzep
and a prospect not in their top 10.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

Personally I keep Bautista in RF, permanently. Hill’s options are coming in to play, I definitely decline his 3 year option, based on his performance I either let him go, or pick up a year and try to move him. I then move Lawrie to 2nd base.

What figgins brings to the table is far more valuable then what hill brings to the table.

Also in respect to the Morrow trade, as high on Morrow I am. He clearly needed a change of scenery. . Also people forget that Johermyn Chavez was in the deal. As a 21 year old in high A all he did was put up a line of .315/.387/.577 with 32 HR’s…

grownice
4 years 6 months ago

“What figgins brings to the table is far more valuable then what hill brings to the table.”

I have to question whether you would have said this last year… if Hill bounces back does this statement still hold true?

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

Yes, 100%

Hill would be a very nice piece on a lot of teams that lack power..

But jays don’t lack power, they have too much of it if anything..

They need people who can get on base, which Hill, even in his career season (.330 OBP) couldn’t do..

Jays at this point need people who can get on base, with legs to do something when they get on..

So I stand by my statement that for the Jays, Figgins > Hill..

Other teams may feel differently, based on their needs.. For instance, I’m sure the A’s would rather have Hill manning 3B then Figgins.

grownice
4 years 6 months ago

Sorry i just dont buy it , at all. I think his last season is clearly affecting your evaluation, which is understandable , but also short sighted. Sacrificing a guy with that much power for a guy who can get on obp and steal bases without much else ( assuming defence is close, i havent checked the stats) almost seems like a wash. Getting on base acts as potential runs and more outs to work with, not guaranteed to get driven in , power is instant runs. If anything its a wash in my opinion with the slight edge to power because there no guarantee the guy behind you is going to drive you in , specially since you just took one of those guy’s out( hill ) who normally drives guys in as opposed to talking a ton of walks.

4 years 6 months ago

Yes, Chavez is the difference maker. He also had 30 doubles and 7 triples to go along with his 32 homers. Those numbers were put up at High Desert, so this year will be more of a true take on his skills when he plays a full year at Jackson. In 2 years we will be able to comment on who got the better of this deal.

MadisonMariner
4 years 6 months ago

“Jack Z got fleeced once already by the Jays in the Morrow for League trade…”

Technically, it was Morrow for League and Johermyn Chavez, who had a great year in A ball in 2010.

And just wait for Morrow to regress more this year before you celebrate too much there. 😉

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

Yah, probably not.. Jays have handled him pretty well, he was jerked around as a mariner.

Shikikazu
4 years 6 months ago

I wish the Mariners kept Morrow but I’m happy with Chavez because Morrow needed a change of scenery. Also we already got 3 years out of Morrow before we traded him so the Jays only have have 2-3 years of control left of Morrow where he will get a hefty raise through arbitration and worry about resigning him. Also Morrow might regress since the AL east will make adjustments and its not like hes playing in Safeco anymore, theres also the concern that he is a type 1 diabetic

4 years 6 months ago

I forgot A-ball is what decides someone’s future as an MLB player… my bad… Chavez wouldnt fit much into the Jays lineup in a couple years anyways… we have much higher rated prospects than him who will be in the OF… I’d rather have an OF of Snider, Gose, Lawrie (or Bautista) in a couple years… and Morrow is a high k rate 3/4 starter whos turning 26…

MadisonMariner
4 years 6 months ago

“I forgot A-ball is what decides someone’s future as an MLB player… my bad…”

Just like it’s my bad that I thought it took more than 1 year of data to determine that one team unilaterally wins a trade, and even fleeces the other team. Yep, my bad on that one. 😉

Basically, my point is this: the M’s got more than just Brandon League. In addition, they got a prospect *who significantly improved his stock* from the previous year(2009), when he was with his previous organization(the Blue Jays). So, whether the M’s hold onto him and use him in a few years in their MLB lineup or not is a moot point. They have an asset that has gained value, and if they could somehow turn League and Chavez into a player even better than Morrow who would be young and cost-controlled(by trading those 2 guys next offseason for that player) and put up several seasons of high WAR, it could be argued that they won the trade, especially if Morrow regresses(which I suspect he might–not saying he will.)

Will this happen? Who knows? I’m just saying that we’ll need several more years to judge who really won the trade, that’s all.

Or is that too much for you to understand?

thegrayrace
4 years 6 months ago

Drives me crazy when people don’t understand that prospects have a value independent of whatever their future production may be.

Nivarsity
4 years 6 months ago

Why do you expect Morrow to regress? The 11 K/9 not good enough for you?

party4marty
4 years 6 months ago

IF you watched Morrow pitch in any year other than last you could easily imagine some regression.

sports33
4 years 6 months ago

But the key is that the Mariners were jerking him around between the rotation and the ‘pen. That plays a huge role in someone’s mental toughness, not knowing how they’ll be used.

damnitsderek
4 years 6 months ago

Jury is still out on that trade, buddy.

Until Johermyn Chavez reaches the Majors and we see what he can do, the word “fleeced” should not be used when referencing this trade.

4 years 6 months ago

I can’t see AA wanting Figgins, especially with that 26.5MM contract. Besides, he has JBau who’ll likely play 3B this year for the Jays and is under control thru 2011…unless he trades him at the deadline for a huge haul :)

4 years 6 months ago

even with don wakamatsu on staff, him and chone would be at each others throats in no time. chone is a selfish cancer that will disappoint any team that picks up his sorry ass and his bloated contract. although if you want your manager fired he just might be your guy

Deviation
4 years 6 months ago

Kouzmanoff is really a dead man walking in Oakland, isn’t he? They’ve been trying to replace him since the World Series ended.

4 years 6 months ago

I’m not really sure why anyone would be interested in Kouz other than the fact that he’s cheap. He hasn’t done too much since he was overhyped on his way to the majors.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

I think its just the mariners needed to fill the position once Chone departs

Snoochies8
4 years 6 months ago

I bet they’re losing tons of sleep over losing jack hannahan….i can’t say this with a straight face…

barroomhero
4 years 6 months ago

That would be a nice buy-low deal for the A’s. If they can make this work, then a good gamble for sure.

joshua98119
4 years 6 months ago

Unless the pitcher is good, this sucks for the M’s. Figgins was lousy the first have, but did get on base. The second half of the year he was a completely different player, and hit over .300 the last two months of the season.

RepOak
4 years 6 months ago

If this does happen you give up KK power. 15+ HR but at the same time you gain Chone’s OBP and speed. So where in the lineup would you place him? Coco was a great leadoff hitter last season and I was thinking of DeJesus batting 2nd. But now that would change everything, assuming this deal does fall through

Guest
4 years 6 months ago

Before this (potential) trade, I’m pretty sure Barton would have hit 2nd, DeJesus 3rd, Willingham 4th, Matsui 5th, etc. Not sure where they’d put Figgins. But trust me. There will be plenty of room. Not everyone will be healthy at the same time, I’m sure. There are too many players with health concerns on the team. That’s the main reason they’ve been adding so much depth.

Hopefully everyone DOES stay mostly healthy though. I’d love to see them have that problem on their hands!

4 years 6 months ago

Move Crisp or Figgins to the 9 slot and the line up ends up turning over a batter early. I like the move if they cater their offense to their players, i.e. small ball.

MadisonMariner
4 years 6 months ago

Wow…I’ll admit as an M’s fan that Jack Z. should never have signed Figgins to that contract–it wasn’t horrible, but it wasn’t great, either.

Having said that, if Billy Beane wants to take on that contract and give up anything of quality in return, I say go for it. Beane really hasn’t been “the” Billy Beane for a few years(really, ever since the Matt Holliday fiasco, he seems to have lost a step or two), and saddling him with a few years of Chone Figgins at 3B is fine with me.

Sure, the A’s may contend in 2011 because the Angels and M’s won’t, but they have some question marks in their lineup past 2011. I guess with the utter void of 3B help in their minor league system, getting Figgins gives them one less question mark, but they’ll have other worries, and and an aging Chone Figgins being paid more than he’s worth in 2012 and 2013 will be yet another.

So, sure, A’s fans–rejoice for 1 year, but regret it the next 2. This will give the M’s even more flexibility in 2012 when other bad contracts come off the books(Milton Bradley, if not sooner, and Jack Wilson, in addition to the money owed to Carlos Silva and Yuniesky Betancourt).

Get it done, Jack. :)

Jeff Neely
4 years 6 months ago

I like this for the A’s… depending on the pitcher involved.

Thizzie
4 years 6 months ago

This is awsome! The trades and signings this winter has really changed the game all over. Each division had teams make significant improvements. I bet Figgins would do well for the A’s. Has his defense declined? Why no mention of him ever playing 2B for anyone anymore?

Guest
4 years 6 months ago

Neither team in question needs him at 2B, is all. The A’s have Ellis, and the M’s are hoping to start Ackley at 2B on Opening Day. 3B is his most natural position anyway. So it’s probably good he’s moving back there.

MadisonMariner
4 years 6 months ago

Well, actually, it seems unlikely that Ackley will be the Opening Day 2B, mostly due to service time consideration(free agency/arbitration clock). In addition, the M’s probably want him to work on his defense at AAA.

Not saying it’s impossible, just unlikely. Also, that’s why the M’s have been acquiring other infielders such as Brendan Ryan and Adam Kennedy(who now may be released from his minor league contract after his DUI, but we’ll see.) One of them will most likely start the season at 2B.

Thizzie
4 years 6 months ago

My point exactly. Figgins “D” must be weak at 2B. He screams second baseman; small slap hitter that steals bases…
Not many third basemen fit in that category but plenty of second basemen. This is driving my thinking that he must not be very good defensively

scottyhalo
4 years 6 months ago

Why are the Angels not all over this??

If they could send Callaspo/Izturis to Seattle with a minor leaguer for Figgins, why wouldn’t they. Having Figgins back to man third base and lead off would be HUGE! Then you can put Aybar and whoever back towards the bottom of the order where there is less pressure.

I know Figgy would be more expensive than just getting Pods or staying pat, but he would fill two holes of need: Third base and leadoff…

Just sayin’, I hope they’re thinking about it.

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

Vernon Wells for Chone Figgins???

I heard the Angels are shopping Wells’ contract already

kdub53
4 years 6 months ago

Where did u “hear” that one?!

Lunchbox45
4 years 6 months ago

Mike Oxlong

DickAlmighty
4 years 6 months ago

Heywood Jablome is another good source for rumors, and he said the same thing.

DickAlmighty
4 years 6 months ago

Heywood Jablome is another good source for rumors, and he said the same thing.

sports33
4 years 6 months ago

Jon Heyman

yazpik
4 years 6 months ago

WTF, Kouzmanoff?? Maybe with a package around Brett Anderson, but Kouzmanoff??

OaklandA
4 years 6 months ago

hahaha that’s a good one

CrustyJuggler
4 years 6 months ago

Coming from a Mariner fan… You’re nuts if you think Figgins is worth Brett Anderson.. especially when he’s owed $26MM. Kouz plus an interesting young pitcher would be a great swap as long as Seattle didn’t have to kick in a ton (or any) money.

OaklandA
4 years 6 months ago

I love this deal for the A’s (maybe I’m biased: A’s fan who hates Kouz). Kouz was our main hole on defense and Chone makes one of the best defenses in the league better at a very important defensive position. Just hope the pitcher isn’t significant. Hoping it’s a reliever not named Bailey.

baycommuter
4 years 6 months ago

Even if you don’t like Kouz, he wasn’t the main hole on defense. I saw 15 or so games at the Coliseum. He was awfully good, though that incredible UZR is suspect. His offense on the other hand…

$1534453
4 years 6 months ago

Did you not watch many A’s games last year? Kouzmanoff plays excellent defense!

OaklandA
4 years 6 months ago

I watched a ton of A’s games last year and probably went to 20+. Didn’t even check the UZR which I probably should have but I always thought he was overrated on D. Thought too many people gave him credit for low error totals in 2009. I could totally be tripping because with defense eyes can often deceive but I thought his range was limited. Maybe I was just spoiled with Chavez because even after he developed a DL addiction he made it look easy at the hot corner. If it’s not a clear defensive upgrade I will rethink my position because it seems like we’ve collected enough guys with zero power.

Guest
4 years 6 months ago

Yeah. Watching Chavez for years does tend to spoil. He was unbelievable when he was in his prime.

Figgins would be a wash with Kouzmanoff, defensively. But he should be a fairly big upgrade, offensively. He doesn’t bring any power. And you’re right, they could definitely use some more. But Figgins is an on-base machine, and he’s great on the basepaths. And speed was HUGE for the A’s in 2010. Even as good as the pitching was, they probably wouldn’t have won 70 games last year if they weren’t so good at manufacturing runs. And with Figgins, they’d still be able to do that again this year, even if Crisp spends a lot of time on the DL again. Add that with the offensive upgrades at RF, DH, and especially LF, and they seem to be in pretty good shape.

We just have to hope they can stay healthier this year.

OaklandA
4 years 6 months ago

Seems like every year we break the record for DL stints. Glad they finally canned the training staff. We acquired more players with injury in their recent history this year too. The difference is this year when Harden steps on his skirt seem and breaks his hip we should have the depth to survive. I know this sounds crazy but I would still like to see us sign Dusch to an incentive laden deal. When he got his one hip fixed the doc told him it was a congenital disorder and some day the other would have to be fixed and once it was he should be fine going forward. Well now he has both fixed and we know when he is on the mound he’s VERY good. It’s worth the slight chance he stays healthy to take a flyer on him. I imagine one of Duke, Harden, McCarthy as our 5th starter, one as our long man and one as on the DL. If we can get a combined 25+ starts out of those three we might end up with the best 5th starter in the league. Sort of like a three headed monster made of porcelain.

Guest
4 years 6 months ago

Doesn’t sound crazy at all. I’d LOVE to see them re-sign Duchscherer. And I’m still hopeful they might find room for him, even though they already signed McCarthy and Harden. I thought those were good low-risk signings also. But you can never have enough depth.

As far as the record injuries, I’m afraid it might not be as simple as them getting rid of the head trainer. When they re-hired Bob Alejo two years ago, after all those injuries in 2007 and 2008, it seemed to make a huge difference in 2009. Then in 2010 it got bad again. I think a lot of it is just bad luck. And it also hurts that the A’s usually have no choice but to sign injury-prone free agents, since top free agents without warts never want to come to Oakland.

4 years 6 months ago

I’m not so certain this deal is good for Oakland. While I agree KK isn’t the long-term answer at 3B, I don’t see the advantage of assuming Figgins and his 26.5MM contract, plus sending a pitcher. Figgins had a career low in OPS and SLG in 2010, and his OBP of .340 isn’t exactly top of the order worthy. If I were Beane, I would ask Jack Z to include some $$, and I would make the deal straight up, and not throw in a reliever or starter–At 33,Figgins clearly isn’t the player he used to be when with the Angels.

4 years 6 months ago

Chone Figgins will never leave the AL West

4 years 6 months ago

Didn’t he come up in the Rockies organization? Not sure if he ever played a game for them though.

Thizzie
4 years 6 months ago

Spot on bud

Andy Mc
4 years 6 months ago

Jays in as 3rd team, according to Buster

Andy Mc
4 years 6 months ago

I would like to see Figgins in Toronto, playing 3B, leading off. Maybe it would be Kouz coming back though….

renegade24
4 years 6 months ago

Figgins isn’t the right fit in Toronto. Too old, too much money. It’s the A’s who want Figgins, that’s the entire point of the three way.

Snoochies8
4 years 6 months ago

Haha… three way…. (had to say it)

Pete
4 years 6 months ago

Pleaseeeeee let me hear “Jose Bautista of the Oakland Athletics” very soon!

grownice
4 years 6 months ago

hahahahah

yazpik
4 years 6 months ago

I´m preety sure that the M´s will end with Brett Lawrie, Jack Z drafted him and he loves his tools, I don´t know how, but Jack is obsessed with him…

start_wearing_purple
4 years 6 months ago

Marcum for Lawrie followed by Lawrie for Kouzmanoff. If that happens the shine will rub off AA pretty quickly.

renegade24
4 years 6 months ago

Only Jack Z gets ripped off by AA in trades, not the only way around.

4 years 6 months ago

There is no way that the M’s are gong to be getting Lawrie.

renegade24
4 years 6 months ago

Why would Brett Lawrie be traded for Kevin Kouzmanoff? Is Dustin Ackley coming back the Jays way or?

Ben
4 years 6 months ago

yeah, your smoking the wrong plant if you think your getting Ack

Andy Mc
4 years 6 months ago

Felix Hernandez! I knew it!

grownice
4 years 6 months ago

well considering AA was also obsessed with getting him for some time as he said, maybe it doesnt matter how badly z wants him lol