Heyman On Fielder, Papelbon, Rays, Giants

Prince Fielder is looking to join the $200MM club and the Red Sox considered trading Jonathan Papelbon to the A's or White Sox, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com. Here are the details and the rest of Heyman's rumors:

  • Fielder is looking for at least eight years and $200MM or so when he hits free agency after the season, according to Heyman. Not surprisingly, the Brewers don't like the idea of committing that much to their first baseman.
  • The Red Sox talked to the A's and White Sox about Jonathan Papelbon. Boston appeared willing to offer Rafael Soriano a one-year deal and make him their closer. If the sides had agreed to a deal, the Red Sox would have sent Papelbon elsewhere, likely to Oakland or Chicago
  • The Rays, who are moving toward a deal with Johnny Damon, have also considered Vladimir Guerrero, Manny Ramirez, Russell Branyan and Nick Johnson.
  • The Yankees hope to hear from Andy Pettitte soon, but the lefty is still mulling retirement.
  • The Giants appear to be nearing a one-year deal with Andres Torres. As our Arb Tracker shows, Torres filed at $2.6MM and the Giants countered with $1.8MM.
  • Heyman says there's "scuttlebutt" that the Rangers could look to lock Josh Hamilton up on a multiyear deal. 
  • Heyman talked to executives about Joey Votto's new deal and arrived at the conclusion I reached after talking to insiders earlier in the week: the Reds didn't appear to gain much from their deal with the reigning NL MVP.
  • Heyman points out that Jose Bautista's representatives will have to convince arbitrators to overlook the string of pedestrian seasons that led up to Bautista's mammoth 2010 campaign. For more on Bautista's case, click here.


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113 Comments on "Heyman On Fielder, Papelbon, Rays, Giants"


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InLeylandWeTrust
4 years 5 months ago

Heyman gets points for using “scuttlebutt”

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zonis
4 years 5 months ago

A’s going after a super expensive closer???

Was it to be a 3 way deal with Chicago, Boston and Oakland? Would the A’s eat Pap’s salary and flip him?

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4 years 5 months ago

All we know is that Boston knows that Papelbon sucks.

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qbass187
4 years 5 months ago

That’s idiotic. Even with 10′ being his worst season yet he was still one of the top 5 closers in baseball. Look out for a monster year from him this year.

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Lunchbox45
4 years 5 months ago

Thats even more idiotic.. how was he top 5 closer in baseball??? based on Fangraphs WAR for relievers he was 39th in the league.

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jwredsox
4 years 5 months ago

And Mariano Rivera was 15th.

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Lunchbox45
4 years 5 months ago

why does every Papelbon argument have to mention Mariano?? Leave him out of this argue to the point… I know the whole red sox/yankee rivalry thing but give it a rest once in a while

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jwredsox
4 years 5 months ago

It was more of a point towards my opinion on fangraph’s reliever WAR.

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Lunchbox45
4 years 5 months ago

Mariano’s rank amongst relievers last year was not in question.. What I refuted was the claim that in a down year Papelbon was still a top 5 closer in the game.. . which I still believe to be highly incorrect

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woadude
4 years 5 months ago

Its relevant because the Red Sox took a serious charge at getting him this offseason, it ended up just inflating his salary but truth is Boston wanted him and they wanted Paps out.

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4 years 5 months ago

But how “serious” was it? That’s the key point. It made the Yankees overpay him on a two year contract so it would seem to have been a masterstroke.

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DickAlmighty
4 years 5 months ago

Dude, because he plays for the Red Sox, and all Red Sox players are in the top 5 in the league at their position? Are there more than three teams in the major leagues? I count three: the Red Sox, the Yankees, and everyone else.

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jwredsox
4 years 5 months ago

ah there it is. Was waiting for someone to make a stupid comment like this. It’s a wonder dumb arguments get started on these threads.

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DickAlmighty
4 years 5 months ago

Are you disagreeing with me that Red Sox fans tend to have a RedSock-centric view of the baseball world? I’d argue fans of every team tend to overvalue their own players, with Red Sox fans and Yankee fans being the worst (or at least the most vocal) perpetrators. You are certainly entitled to disagree.

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jwredsox
4 years 5 months ago

I’m not disagreeing I hate extremely biased fans too but like you said it’s not just the Sox and Yankees fans. And I felt your post wasn’t to start a conversation about it but instead it was an attempt at a low blow to all Sox and Yankees fans.

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DickAlmighty
4 years 5 months ago

Fair point. It was a bit of a low-blow. But, given that you guys make the playoffs every year while we small-market fans have to feed from the scraps you toss on the ground, we’re entitled to take a couple shots below the belt every once in a while, whilst you enjoy the feast at the Big Boys table. No?

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jwredsox
4 years 5 months ago

eh I guess but mostly those posts just explode in to silly arguments about nothing.

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Green_Monster
4 years 5 months ago

Most small market teams have money, but their owners don’t want to spend it. No?

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HerbertAnchovy
4 years 5 months ago

No. The Rays are a perfect example of why that theory is flawed.

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woadude
4 years 5 months ago

No the Rays philosophy is suck long enough you have 1st round picks at every position.

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DickAlmighty
4 years 5 months ago

That’s true. What those owners don’t have is the revenue streams that the Steineys and Mr. Henry have. So, while Henry and the Steineys can spend, spend, spend, and never worry about losing money, those small-market owners actually have to dip into their personal wealth to put together a $100+ million payroll, because their franchises don’t generate enough money (on a year-over-year basis) to cover the massive payrolls that the Yankees and the Red Sox can afford.

Now, I’m the first person to say: “The owner of a baseball team shouldn’t be in it for the annual profits; you make your money when you sell, not while you own.” But, facts is facts, and teams like the A’s, the Twins, the Rays, the Reds, etc. could never generate enough money (1) to sustain the payrolls the Red Sox and the Yankees do and (2) to turn a profit, at the same time. So, even though the owners of those teams are wealthy, they’re not in the same position as the Steineys and Senior Henry.

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Green_Monster
4 years 5 months ago

The owners of small market teams have the money. But most of them pocket it.

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4 years 5 months ago

Isn’t the Royals’ owner supposedly one of the richest in baseball?

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Green_Monster
4 years 5 months ago

Some people think that. But I have to admit, the Royals are coming to a bright point in their franchise

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MB923
4 years 5 months ago

Not sure, but I know the Nationals owner is the richest.

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woadude
4 years 5 months ago

Bull Crap on a stick to that, every team has the same revenue streams as any team, only thing the Yanks and Sox have is they probably sell more hats and jerseys because their fans love to sport them…. every major city has a deal in place that gives tv revenue as well as radio and internet to your respective teams what ever city you are in, if you watched the game on FSN or Fox, your team got paid by them to have the honor of showing it.

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DickAlmighty
4 years 5 months ago

I’m sure this won’t get a reply, because I’m three days late, but you’re dead wrong. Each team controls its own local TV rights; a few years back (maybe more than a few), the Expos had no local TV contract. Last year, the Yankees pulled in $184 million from the YES network (in annual payments and dividends). I guarantee you no other team in MLB gets $184 million from its local network (the Rangers, for example, just signed a deal with Fox Sports Southwest which will pay them $3 billion over 20 years, which works out to $150 million a year, average, over the next 20 years… how much you want to bet YES will pay the Yankees a little more than $3 billion over the next 20 years, given that they’re already paying the Yankees $184 million a year right now?). So, “every team has the same revenue streams as any team” is about as incorrect a statement as you could make on this subject. Hopefully you read this; if not, hopefully your ignorance finds another person who’s willing and able to eliminate it.

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$1519287
4 years 5 months ago

the steinbrenners are actually some of the poorest owners, the wealth of the owner does not correlate to how much money the spend on the team. The twins owner is one of the richest but doesn’t spend his personal money.

The yanks make more money because nyc is a richer town than any other in america and generates more revenue for their team. It really has nothing to do with george, or now hal.

They make their money from the 20 million people in the metro area.

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DickAlmighty
4 years 5 months ago

This is exactly right. The Steinnys aren’t rich, but NYC delivers massive revenues. Twins owner (Pohlad) is rich, but the Twins can’t generate the same revenues as the Yankees, because the Twins Cities don’t have the population and TV market that NY does. It’s all about geography; it isn’t that NYY fans buy more hats and merchandise. This is baseball economics 101; you can’t dispute this stuff.

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woadude
4 years 5 months ago

Case in point the Nationals, who knew they had that kind of money?

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Green_Monster
4 years 5 months ago

Maybe because the Red Sox and Yankees have two of the top 5 teams in baseball. They have something to talk about.

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Ricky
4 years 5 months ago

He is still a good closer just had a rough year.

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Ricky
4 years 5 months ago

They are not looking to trade him because “they think he sucks” It’s business. His contract is up this year they are not going to resign him so why not try to get a something for him?

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woadude
4 years 5 months ago

How about based on actually watching the game and not some stat? the Giants Brian Wilson was awesome, so was Neftali Feliz, Joakin Soria was stellar, Mariano Rivera was classic, Rafael Soriano was amazing…thats 5 closers I would rather have than Papelbon.

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4 years 5 months ago

I see your point, but consider one year to be a small sample size. Even despite a poor 2010, if you look at WAR for relievers over the period 2007-2010 then Papelbon is ranked 2nd behind Rivera.

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Guest
4 years 5 months ago

Papelbon wasn’t a top 10 closer, let alone a top 5.

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qbass187
4 years 5 months ago

In the top 5 in saves w/ an ERA in the mid 3s.
Very few had better numbers as a closer in the AL.

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FrankTheFunkasaurusRex
4 years 5 months ago

two words:
Kevin Gregg

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MB923
4 years 5 months ago

A 3.90 ERA is the mid 3’s?

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woadude
4 years 5 months ago

He better hopes he gets it because he is a free agent and when there is no arbitrator you have to hope other clubs view you as a 12 million dollar pitcher.

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flickadave
4 years 5 months ago

Scuttlebutt has it that you don’t know what you are talking about.

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4 years 5 months ago

If Boston liked him, they wouldn’t be trying to trade him.

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DickAlmighty
4 years 5 months ago

All we know is that Boston wants to move him at that price. Doesn’t mean he sucks. Just means he’s expensive.

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jwredsox
4 years 5 months ago

It said they talked with them about trading. It never said the Sox were trying to trade him. Nor does it say which team approached who. If the Sox didn’t like him they wouldn’t have given him 12 mil. They could have flipped him for a real low time prospect easily and moved Bard to closer.

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qbass187
4 years 5 months ago

Who says they’re “trying” to trade him? Do you believe every off hand uncorroberated report you read? I don’t. If we were to assume it was true then just beause they’re willing to listen on a player who is in the last year of a contract doesn’t mean the don’t want or like him as their closer. There were reports 2 years ago that they listened on Youkilis too. Point of the matter is if they wanted him gone they could have simply non tendered him and it would have cost them ZERO. They didn’t and then they gave him a raise. Use your head. That tells you more about what the RED SOX think about him than an off the cuff, uncorroberated report from Scott Boras’s personal media puppet…especially when it DIRECTLY involves one of his clients.

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woadude
4 years 5 months ago

So do the other 29 clubs, let me guess, he throws a fastball and wants a strike? watch where this ball lands.

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RepOak
4 years 5 months ago

We don’t need papelbon! Hope the A’s don’t get him

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woadude
4 years 5 months ago

couldn’t be worse than Ben Sheets

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ILiveForThis
4 years 5 months ago

Why 3 way deal sox only need to lock him up for 1 year and the bullpen would be fine Soriano wasnt interested in joining ”The Club” from day 1.

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Brad426
4 years 5 months ago

Fielder, slimmed down to 265 or not, will have a hard time getting an 8 year/$200M deal as teams (right or wrong) will forever be concerned about his weight.

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daveineg
4 years 5 months ago

It’s not his weight that will keep him from getting close to $200 million. It’s his lack of production. It’s not worthy of $150 million much less $200. 28 HR and 83 RBI last year. Tell me that’s worth $25 million a year? Please.

Look I’m a Brewer fan and I like Fielder. But Boras has put such nonsense in his brain it’s ridiculous.

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4 years 5 months ago

Agreed. Why Fielder’s contract would soar over those of Mauer, Teixeira, Miguel Cabrera, or most of the other recent $120+ million players is sort of baffling to me. I guess when you’re negotiating you start high, although I’m not sure that starting laughably high is a good idea.

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bleachercreature
4 years 5 months ago

once again “Prince Fielder = Mark Teixiera” hahaha

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0bsessions
4 years 5 months ago

Prince Fielder is twice the baseball player Mark Teixeira is!

…in waist size!

Badum tish!

*Sigh*

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RedSoxDynasty
4 years 5 months ago

Starting high will get the Nationals attention i’m sure!

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Jason Klinger
4 years 5 months ago

I agree, but it’s more than just his weight. It’s the matter of supply and demand. Slugging first basemen may be the most un-rare position in all of baseball. Pujols is probably the only guy who will end up being worth the investment in the history of overpaying the position, and I include one of my favorite players in that group (Ryan Howard).

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$1529282
4 years 5 months ago

Prince wants $200M over the next eight years? He better start investing in lottery tickets.

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BG921
4 years 5 months ago

Fielder is one of my favorite players, but doesn’t it put pressure on the player when it’s being rumored that you are expecting to earn over $200 million? Isn’t that like a presidential candidate saying he hopes to join the “win every state in an election” club? I understand Prince isn’t holding town hall meetings discussing how he plans to earn $200 mill, but still all these reports have to put some kind of pressure on a player. I know I would get nervous with my performance if $200+ million were on the line.

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Diehard Philsphan
4 years 5 months ago

Considering all the high spending teams are set at first for a while I don’t c him making more than cliff lee is making