Pujols’ Agent Sets Deadline For Extension Talks

6:24pm: ESPN's Buster Olney says (via Twitter) that if a contract can not be worked out by the deadline, Pujols "is intent on testing the free agent market." SI.com's Jon Heyman spoke to one executive that thinks Pujols would get 20% less than expected on the open market because big spenders like the Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies, and Tigers don't figure to enter the bidding given their first base situation (Twitter link).

Olney speculates that the Cubs, Angels, Dodgers, and Giants could be interested.

1:41pm: Dan Lozano, the agent for Albert Pujols, notified the Cardinals that Spring Training is the deadline for a new deal to be struck, GM John Mozeliak told Derrick Goold of The St. Louis Post-Dispatch (via Twitter). Earlier this week, Cards chariman and CEO Bill DeWitt Jr. said that he was "hopeful" that the club can extend Pujols by Opening Day.

It's difficult to find a dead-on comparison for the stellar slugger, but our own Ben Nicholson-Smith suggested that Pujols could compare himself to Alex Rodriguez who is earning $27.5MM per season over the life of his newest contract.  We don't know much about the inner-workings of the talks as it is, but earlier today Mozeliak vowed to keep his lips sealed on the matter.


165 Responses to Pujols’ Agent Sets Deadline For Extension Talks Leave a Reply

  1. John LeClair 4 years ago

    I Bet a contract extension doesn’t happen and they end up resigning him at the beginning of Free Agency next year for 8 years 230 Million with options to make it 10 years at 280 Million Dollars.

  2. KenJr1918 4 years ago

    Uh-oh.

  3. churumba 4 years ago

    I say Yankees offer him a bazillion dollars over 3yrs. Book it!

    • MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

      If I were Pujols, I wouldn’t take a cent under a gajillion.

    • Yeah, because they don’t have a 1B.

      • MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

        I think he was being facetious.

      • dirtydez 4 years ago

        DH

        • MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

          Good luck trying to convince two GG players to leave their position.

          • myname_989 4 years ago

            $300 million is a good start.

          • MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

            I highly doubt Pujols would be the odd man out in this case.

          • myname_989 4 years ago

            I was just joking around, but when a player of Pujols’ caliber hits the market, it’s hard to see the Yankees not being involved. Even if that was the case, I’m not so sure that Teixeira would mind DH’ing to play with Pujols.

          • MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

            Perhaps, but you would be limiting Teixeira’s value by only having him hit most of the time. Realistically, I can’t see any other way for it to work though, an actual shift to third or the outfield could be dangerous, there’s no way of knowing.

          • The_Silver_Stacker 4 years ago

            Teixeira is the best defensive 1b in all of MLB, no way he DH’s

          • myname_989 4 years ago

            I’m just saying that if the Yankees really wanted to sign Pujols, Teixeira wouldn’t even be a factor. I’m not suggesting they should, just that if they wanted to offer the greatest player in baseball top dollar, they would, and the’d make something work.

          • MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

            Pujols is comparable defensively, and don’t forget, it would be him you’re trying to woo.

          • Pete 4 years ago

            except that isnt true. tex stinks on defense these days. its not 2004 anymore.

          • Knowing the Yankees they’ll sign Pujols anyways and trade Tex eating 80% of his salary.

          • The_Silver_Stacker 4 years ago

            Teixeira is the best defensive 1b in all of MLB, no way he DH’s

  4. cayanksfan 4 years ago

    I think they’ll resign him but this could mean a Chris Carpenter trade especially after the Ian Snell signing. Joba for Carpenter?

    • Ferrariman 4 years ago

      lol this comment makes no sense. Ian Snell on a minor league contract is going to be the subsequent heir to Chris Carpenter? sorry, that was dumb. Like saying Sergio Mitre is going to replace CC Sabathia if he opts out.

      • cayanksfan 4 years ago

        Stockpiling arms makes no sense? Who said Ian Snell was the heir apparent to Carpenter? Read pissboy, read.

        • TDKnies 4 years ago

          When you imply that they can trade Carpenter since they signed Snell, it really looks like you’re calling him his heir.

          • Ferrariman 4 years ago

            i think he did and is just trying to make us look dumb and cover up his blunder. Oh well, at least he tried.

          • cayanksfan 4 years ago

            Really? Ferrariman? Did I say Heir? This isn’t the first time Carpenter’s name has come up as trade bait due to Pujols expected extension!!! Snell was considered a rotation guy for the Yankees last year, why couldn’t he be a number five for the Cards? Again, read the comment jackwagon! Oh and give Tom Sellek my best…Higgins too!

          • TDKnies 4 years ago

            If we used the word “replacement” or “substitute” would it make you feel better? It doesn’t change the fact that you said they can trade Carpenter seeing as they recently signed Snell.

        • Ferrariman 4 years ago

          i believe you did when you said ” this could mean a Chris Carpenter trade especially after the Ian Snell signing”. fool….how else is someone suppose to interpret this? Obviously your saying since they signed the all powerful Ian Snell, Carpenter might be on the block. Makes perfect sense, no? maybe you meant to say something else, fine, but that isn’t what you wrote.

          so read again pissboy, read.

    • RedSoxDynasty 4 years ago

      Joba for Kyle Lohse makes sense!

  5. slider32 4 years ago

    What are the Cards waiting for, sign Pujols already! 8/220.

  6. bas_in_denmark 4 years ago

    Does anyone know if it’s the beginning or the end of spring training? Spring training is so long that it isn’t really a deadline. It’s kinda like saying that summer is the deadline.

    • The_BiRDS 4 years ago

      Feb 18th is when spring training starts. That is the deadline.

    • The_BiRDS 4 years ago

      Feb 18th is when spring training starts. That is the deadline.

  7. slider32 4 years ago

    I think your right. The Cards could trade Carpenter to the Yanks for Joba and one of their B prospect pitchers.

    • Ferrariman 4 years ago

      or they can not trade there #2 pitcher and co-ace for fodder and make a run at the playoffs…

      • That’s what I would do if I were the Cards. Makes perfect sense to trade a former Cy Young winner who is still at the top of his game for a guy who has never shown the ability to go more than 5 innings in a game. I’m sure that Cards are discussing it as we speak.

      • slider32 4 years ago

        If anyone can mold Joba its Dave Duncan. The Cards may not have the money to sign Pujols and keep Carpenter. He might be expendible

        • Ferrariman 4 years ago

          if he is, they can get a lot more than Joba and a B prospect. Sorry, Joba isn’t an elite trade chip.

          • slider32 4 years ago

            He doesn’t have to be Carpenter is a salary dump if he is traded. Plus you would only have him for one season.

        • RedSoxDynasty 4 years ago

          Joba might be enough to fetch Kyle Lohse!

        • The_BiRDS 4 years ago

          Forget Joba.. Carp can become a free agent and we will sign Mark Buehrle at a discount.

    • RedSoxDynasty 4 years ago

      Jobs fir Kyle Lohse might work!

  8. tank1976 4 years ago

    This should have been done 3 yrs. ago. It is becoming a bigger deal than it should have been.

  9. Threat_Level_RedSox 4 years ago

    I wonder if The Cardinals will seek differed payments in any deal to allow them to stay competitve. 10/300 if all incentives are met.

  10. Ferrariman 4 years ago

    this really isn’t news. Pujols has already said that he doesn’t want to negotiate during Spring training/in season. Now his agent is just confirming it.

  11. godzillacub 4 years ago

    Oh, I REALLY hope Pujols doesn’t resign with the Cardinals. It’ll be fun to watch and mirror the LeBron situation in that money WON’T be the issue. Pujols will get blank checks from lots of teams. The Cubs could sell him on being the one to deliver a championship . . .

    Sorry, I was dreaming for a second there.

    • Ferrariman 4 years ago

      Pujols already has a ring.

      • godzillacub 4 years ago

        Yep. But Chicago doesn’t. The sell it to Pujols like the Red Sox sold it to Schilling. Pujols could be the one to deliver the championship to the Cubs. Something no number of Hall of Famers could do. It’s a good line, at the very least.

        • Ferrariman 4 years ago

          pujols is a baseball player, not god.

          • baseballz 4 years ago

            Thats silly, i’ve prayed to him everynight for the last 5 years and the devil still hasn’t got me. Every year I organize a “Pujols House”, where people go around different scenes in an old barn showing the various mircales Pujols has performed (hitting .300 every year doesn’t ‘just happen! Resurecting baseball from the dead in St Louis’) What has your god done for you lately?

          • Stl_Great 4 years ago

            Baseball was never dead in St Louis, Do you even know what happened with Mark Mcgwire just a few years before Albert came to the majors.

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            Mark who?

          • wickedkevin 4 years ago

            Mark Clemens I think…

          • Dollar Seats 4 years ago

            Androstenedione.

        • The_BiRDS 4 years ago

          There is no hope for the cubs.. they spend more and more yet get worse and worse

        • The_BiRDS 4 years ago

          There is no hope for the cubs.. they spend more and more yet get worse and worse

    • The_BiRDS 4 years ago

      Ya you were. I dont think Pujols would sign with the cubs even if they offered him double than the Cards offer.

      You must be from Cleveland

    • The_BiRDS 4 years ago

      Ya you were. I dont think Pujols would sign with the cubs even if they offered him double than the Cards offer.

      You must be from Cleveland

  12. If you’re a Card fan, at this point, you almost have to be saying to yourselves “just give him what he wants and get it over with”. He’s going to get it anyway. Get it done and over with.

  13. Threat_Level_RedSox 4 years ago

    In the Shadow of A-Rods new deal? maybe. A suppose it could of been for the same amount more years. But the question is does a-rods steriod admition make Pujols that much more attractive in terms of annual value? With all the incentives A-rod got for reaching homerun milestones, Pujols should get more right?.

    • vin050 4 years ago

      no, they gave arod the contract based on his value before the admission

  14. Mr. Pinches 4 years ago

    Well with Ortiz likely gone after this season the DH spot in Boston will be open.

    So if Pujols hits Free Agency the Yankees HAVE To bid on him to keep him away from Boston. Boston in turn will have to bid on him to run up the price which will already be astronomical.

    • Threat_Level_RedSox 4 years ago

      As a red sox fan the idea of a rotating DH-1B of Pujols and Gonzalez would be great, Pujol’s has a carear 10.8 defensive WAR and a feilding percentiage .994. hes on pace to become only the seventh player ever to have a carear defensive over 20 and could even pass Cardinal great Ozzie Smith (21.60). If he didnt care about fielding he would’nt Pujols.

    • ugotrpk3113 4 years ago

      The Red Sox already have one player earning more than 17 mil a year and more than likely a second once they finalize the Gonzalez deal. Add the Lackey extension to that mix also.

      There’s no chance they sign Pujols. Let’s just nip that in the butt before the crazy Red Sox fans run with it.

      • Yastrzemski 4 years ago

        I’m not saying that the Red Sox will sign him, I bet you they take a serious look at him. As will the Yankees, Tigers and any other big spending AL team no matter who they have playing 1B. When you’re talking about the best offensive player in the game. No offense, but I think it’s kinda stupid to say “no chance”.

        • ugotrpk3113 4 years ago

          If you look at the current long term deals they have, plus the arbitration eligible players that they may or may not lock up, it just doesn’t make a lot of sense financially to throw all your eggs into that basket.

          Their current model is working fantastic. They have some large ‘risk’ free agent signings, some arbitration eligibles, and some young players locked up. I don’t think adding a contract that could eat up about 1/4 of your available salary is smart business…

    • ugotrpk3113 4 years ago

      The Red Sox already have one player earning more than 17 mil a year and more than likely a second once they finalize the Gonzalez deal. Add the Lackey extension to that mix also.

      There’s no chance they sign Pujols. Let’s just nip that in the butt before the crazy Red Sox fans run with it.

    • ugotrpk3113 4 years ago

      *sigh*

      No. Please stop. Not happening.

      • Mr. Pinches 4 years ago

        yeah,read it again. This time try some reading comprehension.

        I never said it would be pujols going to the RedSox.

        • ugotrpk3113 4 years ago

          OK. Just reread it. Your idea is still not happening.

    • ugotrpk3113 4 years ago

      *sigh*

      No. Please stop. Not happening.

    • The_BiRDS 4 years ago

      After the Carl Crawford and Gonzo deals…Ha! Boston is gonna have to do much more than sell out thier franchise to Ben Affleck movies to add a player with Pujols costs.

      • Ferrariman 4 years ago

        i have to disagree unfortunately. They have 10mil from Papelbon, 15mil from Drew, and 12mil from Ortiz coming off the books and already have subsequent heirs to those positions(bard,kalish, DH doesn’t count). So they could afford pujols (Agonz hasnt signed a deal yet).

        • The_BiRDS 4 years ago

          After the year Agonz is gonna have for the Sox, I highly doubt they will just say thanks and send him on his way.
          I know they did this for Beltre but Beltre doesnt hold a candle to Agonz.

          • alxn 4 years ago

            I imagine it will come down to whether Agonz is willing to give them a slight discount. If not, they can test the waters on Pujols and fall back on Agonz if they have to.

          • woadude 4 years ago

            Ok, ask yourself this, if i had Gonzo in my left hand and Pujols in my right and told you to pick one, which one would you choose and how fast? Also consider the draft pick compensations as a worst case scenario as his contract makes even the Royals blush, imagine they sending him to KC for that closer of theirs, I mean the planets aligned themselves for the Red Sox, shoot Tampa doesn’t even have Garza anymore, and he owned the Sox every game.

        • slider32 4 years ago

          Bard, Kalish, are you serious neither will be good enough in those spots.

      • Ferrariman 4 years ago

        i have to disagree unfortunately. They have 10mil from Papelbon, 15mil from Drew, and 12mil from Ortiz coming off the books and already have subsequent heirs to those positions(bard,kalish, DH doesn’t count). So they could afford pujols (Agonz hasnt signed a deal yet).

      • Stl_Great 4 years ago

        Dont forget Fever Pitch. If only the Cardinals won that World Series the movie would have no point.

    • The_BiRDS 4 years ago

      After the Carl Crawford and Gonzo deals…Ha! Boston is gonna have to do much more than sell out thier franchise to Ben Affleck movies to add a player with Pujols costs.

  15. slider32 4 years ago

    Carpenter has a big club option next year or he will become a free agent at 37. The Yanks might have to throw in one of their B prospects. I agree on the surface it looks like this deal will not happen but it might depend on their budget. The club option is for 15 million with a 1 million buyout. Wainwright also has a club option. Add to that Pujols jumping to 27-30 per year and it looks like Carpenter is the odd man out. They might try to keep him until mid year to see where they are in the standings, but I do think Carpenter will either be traded or the Cards will not pick up his option.

    • Seriously, you need to stop.

    • Ferrariman 4 years ago

      even if they don’t pick up the option, the 2 draft picks are worth more than Joba and a b prospect. I don’t get why this is such a hard concept to grasp: Carpenter is worth more than Joba. He is worth more than 2 Joba’s in fact.. and no a b level throw in doesn’t equate the difference.

      • slider32 4 years ago

        Prospect are overrated. In the last 8 years only 18 first rounders were stars. 14 of the 18 draft picks were drafted to lower level teams. Of those only 3 played in the world series for their original teams. Price, Longoria, and Beckett. Only Beckett won the world series with the Marlins. Joba and a B prospect would be a much better deal than that.

        • RedSoxDynasty 4 years ago

          Jobs for Kyle Lohse is fair!

        • dont forget tulo.

        • Ferrariman 4 years ago

          no..no..it really wouldn’t. Joba has lost his shine. Might as well start fresh with 2 new picks.

          • slider32 4 years ago

            Masterson lost his shine and now Theo is trying to get him back.

          • Ferrariman 4 years ago

            so? that doesn’t mean he is gonna give them a V-mart caliber player. Your arguing a failing battle, Joba has lost tons of value since being ranked the 3rd best prospect. Yankees messed up his development and now your not gonna get elite pieces in return.

      • Shikikazu 4 years ago

        Then you would have to offer arbitration to an 37 Year old Carpenter, What if he accepts? Another 15 Mill+ for one year?

      • slider32 4 years ago

        Joba is under control longer, and is younger. Plus what if the Cards don’t want to pay Pujols’s new salary along with options to Carpenter and Wainwight. Pujols’s new contract will be in effect by spring training. That might make Carpenter expendable. The Yanks will give you the most for Carpenter in that situation.

        • woadude 4 years ago

          You have a real hard on for Carpenter but you do realize that teams don’t just give up player to the Yankees right? Joba is a player that seriously was mishandled by the Yankees, they never let his training wheels off and it hindered his development and seriously screwed him up, he was a lights out reliever and they wanted him to be a starter but at the pace of a snail uphill on an icy surface, and when they realized their error it was too late, the “Joba rules” were a very public saga that was tragic to watch.

  16. Threat_Level_RedSox 4 years ago

    I know really, if the cardinals were going to trade him im sure other teams would be interested. Plus if they do sign pujols his contract it wont go into effect until next season and they could just let carpenter go as a free agent and collect the draft picks.

    • Ferrariman 4 years ago

      or they can trade him for joba and a throw in!!! duh, why wouldn’t the yankees ever do this?

  17. Guest 4 years ago

    Teixeira for Pujols if they can’t sign him!
    Not that that would ever happen.

    • Threat_Level_RedSox 4 years ago

      I wonder who’s on Pujols no trade clause? And if he resigns will even have one given his 10/5 rights would kick in at the start of 2012.

      • The_BiRDS 4 years ago

        The only teams last year that Pujols approved trades for were: Astros, Marlins, Angels, Dogers

        • Guest 4 years ago

          he seems to like warm weather…
          I guess that might come with being from the Dominican Republic…

      • The_BiRDS 4 years ago

        The only teams last year that Pujols approved trades for were: Astros, Marlins, Angels, Dogers

  18. TheFakeSting 4 years ago

    Bet Scott Boras hopes a deal gets done by Spring Training. One, he can Jack price the price up on Prince Fielder. Two, he doesn’t want his Guy playing second fiddle to anyone when free agency starts.

    Wonder which 2-3 teams he suckers into bidding against each other, especially since the Yankees and Sox have first baseman.

    Pujols doesn’t sign by spring training, Boras will slide right in the backroom with Prince.

  19. optionn 4 years ago

    Don’t overpay for him. The best years of his career are behind him. Injuries will soon be launching themselves at his body.

    • woadude 4 years ago

      Are you kidding? this is his prime years, his age 36 plus years are when he declines, these years is when he becomes a volcano and explodes with career highs, do you watch baseball?

  20. Henduck 4 years ago

    This is why the Pirates have kept payroll so low for so many years. They’ve been saving up for Pujols. They brought in Overbay this year to bridge the gap unitl Big Al signs.

    Having Pujols at 1B will create a logjam at 3B with Rendon and Alvarez, but Hunington will figure that out.

  21. Shawn from New Hampshire 4 years ago

    The Cards are gona be bidding primarly against themselves if he reaches fa, so they need to lock him up now and not wait, and it makes sense for Pujols to sign now too…. The two teams that can give him what he wants already has first base locked up, especially if the Sox do extend Agon. The only other teams I see making a huge push for Pujols if he reaches fa is the Cubs, the Mets, the Dodgers, the Angels and possibly the Braves. One of these teams will most likely settle for Fielder as well. I say that either the Cards suceed in bringing him back or he ends up with the Angels since they lost out on almost everybody this year

  22. Shawn from New Hampshire 4 years ago

    The Cards are gona be bidding primarly against themselves if he reaches fa, so they need to lock him up now and not wait, and it makes sense for Pujols to sign now too…. The two teams that can give him what he wants already has first base locked up, especially if the Sox do extend Agon. The only other teams I see making a huge push for Pujols if he reaches fa is the Cubs, the Mets, the Dodgers, the Angels and possibly the Braves. One of these teams will most likely settle for Fielder as well. I say that either the Cards suceed in bringing him back or he ends up with the Angels since they lost out on almost everybody this year

  23. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    If Albert went to the Yanks or Boston, the integrity of the game would be ruined… and he knows this. Not only would STL fans be pist beyond belief at Pujols so would 29 other cities. So why would Albert even test that when he will get paid in STL or anywhere for that matter? He is an icon in St. Louis, he obviously had success in STL, they have the 2nd most World Series wins on baseball, it is a huge baseball city, and they have had some of the most success in the past decade. Bottom line.. Pujols really doesnt have a reason to leave St. Louis. I think he enjoys the extra publicity (like any athlete) he is getting and going to get in the next month or so but he was born a Cardinal and will most likely stay a Cardinal.

    • MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

      Come on, the integrity of the game has suffered from things far worse than that. If he wants to pull a Lebron, then that’s his MO. Don’t believe everything you hear, if he ever tested free agency the offers would come.

    • Jntg4 4 years ago

      But if he signed a 1-year deal with the Cubs every year until they won the World Series then went back to STL, he’d improve the integrity of the game. 😉

  24. The_BiRDS 4 years ago

    If Albert went to the Yanks or Boston, the integrity of the game would be ruined… and he knows this. Not only would STL fans be pist beyond belief at Pujols so would 29 other cities. So why would Albert even test that when he will get paid in STL or anywhere for that matter? He is an icon in St. Louis, he obviously had success in STL, they have the 2nd most World Series wins on baseball, it is a huge baseball city, and they have had some of the most success in the past decade. Bottom line.. Pujols really doesnt have a reason to leave St. Louis. I think he enjoys the extra publicity (like any athlete) he is getting and going to get in the next month or so but he was born a Cardinal and will most likely stay a Cardinal.

  25. TheFakeSting 4 years ago

    Anyone think Albert makes more money than ARod?

  26. syphercx 4 years ago

    Olney needs to shut his mouth! I am personally giving AP 10 bucks so that he will stay a cardinal.

  27. MLB_in_the_Know 4 years ago

    The more I think about it…the more it makes sense that he signs with the Cubs for 10/300 and then is awful. It would only be fitting.

  28. Corey 4 years ago

    Isn’t it a little early to discuss next off-season? Even if they don’t give him an extension, the Cards will match any offer given to Pujols. Pujols doesn’t like to talk contract in season, which is respectable. I say call Boras bluff as Pujols likes St.Louis. As much as I would LOVE to see Pujols wearing Cubbie blue. This scenario is SO unrealistic it shouldn’t have been brought up.

  29. Stl_Great 4 years ago

    Albert wants to keep talks private, Yet it seems he told Buster Onley that if a deal is not reached by Spring Training, “He is intent on testing the free agent market?” I think Onley’s just looking for something interesting to say.

  30. BoSoxSam 4 years ago

    If he doesn’t sign the extension, maybe the Angels go all out for him in the offseason? Olney mentions them as a possible match, and if they can move Morales around, there is a fit. And after their horrendous offseason this year, they would definitely be motivated to make something happen. I’m still hopeful St. Louis can make it happen, but if they can’t, I’m going to be watching LAA very carefully.

  31. mattmosher 4 years ago

    Jan 10, 2012….New York
    “Without further delay, here is Sandy Alderson”

    “Hi folks…today is a big day. We’re here to introduce to you our new first baseman, one of the best ballplayers of all time, Albert Pujols, who has agreed to a 10-year, $300 million dollar contract with us. And here are Jose Reyes and David Wright to present Albert with his new jersey.”

  32. $1639238 4 years ago

    Let him go. I’m sure Aaron Miles can make a smooth transition over to 1st base. If that doesn’t work out we’ve got that great Amaury Cazana kid and his .849 AAA OPS in down in Memphis. He’s only 35.

  33. MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

    Ike Davis > Albert Pujols

    DEFENSIVELY

    • syphercx 4 years ago

      How many GG’s does davis have?

      • MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

        He should of had one for this past season, problem is offense and popularity are both heavy factors. The award’s lost a lot of legitimacy over the years, Jeter being the most recent example.

        • Stl_Great 4 years ago

          Oh yeah that’s right, Albert won the GG. You won’t continue to talk about how great Ike Davis defense is if he keeps going over the bullpen to make catches, resulting in getting hurt.

          • MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

            An arbitrary award isn’t the best way of judging talent. It’s already been established that the GG is turning into a joke. Why wouldn’t I commend a player for trying to sacrifice his body for the team, Jeter did it a couple years back and they haven’t shut up about it since.

    • Stl_Great 4 years ago

      Wrong.

      • MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

        His UZR/150 was more than twice as high as anyone else’s in the league last season.

        Ike 2010 UZR/150: 11.9

        Pujols 2010 UZR/150: 1.1

        Yeah, it’s kind of like that.

        • Just_MLB 4 years ago

          Does UZR take into consideration errors saved by a 1st baseman?
          I think I remember Daniel Murphy having a better UZR at 1B than Mark Texiera, Adrian Gonzalez AND Albert Pujols…Murph also had 10 errors and was the male version of Kelly Bundy with a glove.

          In either regard, I think long term, Ike is going to be just fine as the Mets 1B. Albert is a strict right wing conservative and the whole bible belt scene fits him 10x better. Albert is a legend in St. Louis, has already won a WS there…is extremely respectful towards past St. Louis legends and is very much vested in the community. To come to Flushing for a few more bucks would make no sense. The state income tax is much higher…he already has sneaker endorsements…Wheaties endorsements…and is ranked 3rd in MLB among all players in endorsement deals ( Jeter/A-Rod are 1/2)….and the Wilpons are not exactly known for having good relations with latin players. the way they treated vlad/a-rod in 00 and 03..combined with the stuff alomar said about them during his time there….combined with the way they handled beltran microscopic bone bruise turned into the size of a grapefruit…then trying to void his contract after he gets THEIR approval for surgery…( they tried calling him at the last second to get a 3rd opinion but he was already under the knife ). Then if that isnt bad enough, Jeff leaks out to Adam Rubin that he is upset about Beltran skipping out on a Public Relations visit to the Walter Reed hospital. Then to top it off, a week later the mets schedule Jeff, RA Dickey, Mike Pelfrey and David Wright a PR visit to WTC site on 9/11.
          they COULD have included Beltran to show all is well with their relations.

          so yeah, I think going forward, the mets are going to have a tougher time bringing in top latin talent with the way they dog them in public.

          • MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

            UZR does take into account errors, but one of the primary focuses is on range. A player might not make many errors, but still can’t get to anything more than a few feet to either side of them. Conversely, a player might have more errors, but demonstrates a greater ability to get to the ball, thereby increasing their chances of making a play. In most cases, UZR would favor Player 2. I don’t think you could justify any of that stuff you said about the Mets and Latin players.

          • Just_MLB 4 years ago

            according to one of the founders of UZR,
            “UZR does not include first basemen “scoops” or the ability of the
            first baseman to influence hits and errors caused by errant throws
            from the other infielders. ”

            So yeah, being that the 1st baseman’s ability to scoop up errant
            throws is probably one of his MOST important attributes, using UZR
            alone is probably the worst way to judge a 1B defensive prowess.

            Please let me know exactly what part I was wrong about with the
            Wilpons and Latin players.

          • Just_MLB 4 years ago

            according to one of the founders of UZR,
            “UZR does not include first basemen “scoops” or the ability of the
            first baseman to influence hits and errors caused by errant throws
            from the other infielders. ”

            So yeah, being that the 1st baseman’s ability to scoop up errant
            throws is probably one of his MOST important attributes, using UZR
            alone is probably the worst way to judge a 1B defensive prowess.

            Please let me know exactly what part I was wrong about with the
            Wilpons and Latin players.

          • MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

            UZR does take into account errors, but one of the primary focuses is on range. A player might not make many errors, but still can’t get to anything more than a few feet to either side of them. Conversely, a player might have more errors, but demonstrates a greater ability to get to the ball, thereby increasing their chances of making a play. In most cases, UZR would favor Player 2. I don’t think you could justify any of that stuff you said about the Mets and Latin players.

  34. Just throwing this out there. But if Pujols becomes a free agent, well the White Sox could get involved moving Dunn to left, PK to the DH and letting AP play first. Just throwing that out there.

  35. Pete 4 years ago

    It would be a truly terrible thing to see Albert Pujols in anything but a Cardinals uniform during his playing career.

  36. Jntg4 4 years ago

    @ Kevin Chambers No, they spent a lot this offseason, they won’t be doing that again for a little while.

  37. No idea why people say the Yanks or Red Sox would be out of it. If they can get Pujols I am pretty sure they will go after him. If they land him they then just deal the 1B they currently have or DH them. No Trade Clause you say? Well I say… so. People with No Trade Clauses get dealt. They just get more say in where they go.

  38. BillB325 4 years ago

    Knowing Hendry as soon as Pujols is availible he`ll give him a 7/225 million deal with a full no trade and a player option worth 40 mil…..

    • gcheezpuff 4 years ago

      I hope not… Didn’t we learn anything after signing 40-40 Alfonzo Soriano. I want nothing to do with another 8 year deal, I don’t care how good he is. It would be nice to see him sign outside of the NL Central though.

  39. slider32 4 years ago

    Forget about it, Pujols is signing with the Cards!

    • Slopeboy 4 years ago

      I just hope his agent isn’t ‘baffled’ by the Card’s offer

  40. dc21892 4 years ago

    St. Louis better hope they come to terms. If Pujols hits the market he’ll probably leave.

  41. dc21892 4 years ago

    St. Louis better hope they come to terms. If Pujols hits the market he’ll probably leave.

  42. stl4ever 4 years ago

    You know I always thought Pujols was above the money and all about the franchise but after the posts over the past few weeks he is becoming the Lebron of baseball. As a Cards fan this makes me want to puke. I say get rid of the bum. All his talk of wanting to stay with the team was a bunch of crap. I say good luck on FA and go Cards in the Pujols-less future.

  43. frede1 4 years ago

    I wish he would hit the open market, The tigers are not big spenders, Mr Pujols would have to settle for a little less, but that is ok, because secretly, Mr Pujols would like to move to Michigan winter wonderland, and become a Motor city Tiger with Cabrera an J. Verlander. Come to Detroit Mr Pujols.

  44. SLUCARD 4 years ago

    I don’t think Albert Pujols would seriously consider signing with the Cubs. If he really cares about winning so much, why would he sign with a team that hasn’t won anything significant in such a long time? Not to mention he must realize the huge slap in the face it would be to the Cardinal fans that see him as a St. Louis Icon. IMO, Albert won’t go down that road, unless it is truly only about money.

  45. mattmosher 4 years ago

    Yeah…that’s a riot. Teams will come out of the woodwork for this guy. If the Cards spit the bit, Pujols will still get 30 per EASILY.

  46. Joey 4 years ago

    don’t get how the Tigers are considered “big spenders”, when prior to this offseason their largest FA signing in the past 4 years was Kenny Rogers..

  47. Mitch_Cole173 4 years ago

    Man 30 per should be Pujols’ starting point in negotiations.

  48. MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

    So we should totally disregard UZR unless we have several years to go by? Stick to errors, fielding percentage, and past performances when we hand out these awards? Alright then. By the way, while we’re on the subject of intelligence, do you know it’s customary to start sentences with capital letters and end all questions with question marks?

  49. alxn 4 years ago

    “So we should totally disregard UZR unless we have several years to go by?”

    When did anyone suggest this? I believe the argument was that he shouldn’t be considered the best fielder in the league just because a metric that takes 3 years to stabilize says he had a good year. Stop making straw-man arguments.

  50. MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

    Maybe not the stuff about errors and fielding percentage, but you did imply it, when you said the sample size was not yet reliable, therefore making it unreliable at this time. Expect me to be defensive when you counter my argument with “however you answer these questions, you’re going to sound kind of dumb”. You realize I’m a biased fan in this as well? The last two seasons have represented defensive declines for Pujols, and when you factor in his age, the odds of him getting back to where he was from 06-08 are against him, though perhaps not impossible. Ike still had a great defensive year, and, I felt, GG worthy, but Pujols won because of the precedence he has already set within the league. Not as bad as Jeter winning, but I still think it’s hard for some of the younger guys to get noticed when they hand out these awards. I didn’t mean that Ike is better than Pujols at his defensive peak, I meant going forward.

  51. MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

    I think what we have here is a philosophical difference. My belief is that defensive performance should be considered on a year-by-year basis at certain times, even though numbers usually fluctuate with age, experience, and general randomness. I like UZR in the sense that it can indicate where a fielder’s at during this point in time compared to the rest of their career. Obviously, that doesn’t really apply with young guys like Ike, since they only have minimal results to go by, and so they have not yet established their norms. What bothers me is that when GG’s are awarded, they are not necessarily awarded to the best fielder at each position in each league. I believe it should be based SOLELY on defensive performance FOR THAT YEAR ONLY. Using that reasoning, I think Ike was the deserving winner of last year’s award. Based on Pujols’s defensive performance, at his best Pujols has been better than Ike. I don’t think it’s fair to compare their careers, seeing as Ike has just started his. But Pujols’s best is now several years in the past, and he’s dropped off a lot in the last two years in particular. He’s nearing late prime, so the odds of a defensive renaissance aren’t overwhelmingly good. Looking at 2010 alone, I think Ike had a better year at first. Looking ahead, considering Ike’s youth and Pujols’s age and recent tendencies, I believe it’s fair to say that Ike is the better bet defensively in the immediate future. Yes, Ike could regress like any other player, but for all the poise he showed as a 23 year old rookie, I think you’d be remiss not to give him some credit.

  52. MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

    I only meant that in regards to evaluating individual years alone, like when determining awards. You need some way to quantify individual seasons, there might not be a perfect way to do so, but nothing else even comes close. Looking at last year alone, I think Ike was better. Based on historical evidence (age-related), he should get better while Pujols should get worse. Career-wise, if Ike wishes to surpass Pujols, he’s got some catching up to do. I made the comment because I thought he was slighted last year, and I stand by that. I didn’t really intend to deliver the comment you replied to with an air of exuberance, but I can see if that’s what you interpreted it as. When I saw the first reply about the number of Gold Gloves he had, I was a little annoyed at what some people consider to be the standard for good defense.

  53. Cards_Fanboy 4 years ago

    It will be Pujos, Holliday, Berkman this year and next year I’m thinking

  54. Cards_Fanboy 4 years ago

    It will be Pujos, Holliday, Berkman this year and next year I’m thinking

  55. woadude 4 years ago

    Miguel Cabrera?

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