Andy Pettitte To Retire

It's the end of a three-month wait for the Yankees and a 16-year career for Andy Pettitte. The left-hander is set to announce his retirement tomorrow, the team announced.

The Yankees waited all winter for Pettitte and would have welcomed him back for a 14th season in pinstripes. Instead, the 38-year-old will call it a career and the Yankees will turn to the likes of Bartolo Colon, Freddy Garcia, Ivan Nova, Andrew Brackman and Sergio Mitre to fill out their rotation.

Pettitte won five World Championships with the Yankees and made three All-Star teams in a career that began with a relief appearance against the Royals in April of 1995. Pettitte retires with 240 regular season wins, a 3.88 ERA (117 ERA+) and 2251 strikeouts.

His teams made the postseason in all but three of his big league seasons, so Pettitte has lots of experience in October; he has 19 wins and a 3.83 ERA in the playoffs. Pettitte is the all-time winningest pitcher in postseason history, ranks first all-time in postseason starts and innings pitched and is tied for second with 173 strikeouts.

Pettitte becomes the second high-profile left-hander to turn down millions of dollars from the Yankees this offseason. Cliff Lee, the Yankees' top offseason target, turned down more guaranteed money from New York to return to Philadelphia.

Michael Kay of 1050 ESPN radio in New York first reported the news (on Twitter).

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  1. rickjimbo 4 years ago

    oh boy, NYY crunch time now. I must say he had a heck of a career considering the PEI involvement stuff he seemed to stay mostly above the fray

  2. GoAwayNow 4 years ago

    Thank the lord.

    -The rest of the A.L. East

  3. He’s always been a class act and one of my favorite Yanks ever. I think the whole Yankee family will be sad to see him retire.

    • rushforpresident 4 years ago

      A class act who cheated at baseball? Nice standards Osc. I’m glad to see the cheating yankee go. Good riddance.

      • deere5800 4 years ago

        You must dislike an awful lot of baseball players

        • flickadave 4 years ago

          Or maybe he just loves the game and wants to see it played the right way….

          • rushforpresident 4 years ago

            I’m going to go with this reply. Thanks flickadave.

          • deere5800 4 years ago

            I want to see it played the right way too. But he played in an era when steroid use was absolutely pervasive in the sport. He did steroids and admitted it. To me that’s a hell of a lot more classy than those who sat on the hands, not to mention all those who denied it.

          • alxn 4 years ago

            He admitted it after he got caught. There is nothing classy about what he did.

          • flickadave 4 years ago

            And we will never know if what he admitted to was ALL that he did. Will we?

          • MB923 4 years ago

            True, but then again, you can say that about any player in this era can’t you?

          • flickadave 4 years ago

            Any player that has admitted to HGH use, yes.

          • deere5800 4 years ago

            Fair enough, but I’d say we can’t really pass judgment one way or the other because we have no idea how sincere he really was in his apology. It’s also classier than the way other’s handled similar situations

          • The_Silver_Stacker 4 years ago

            People can’t man up for their mistakes and apologize and move on?

          • alxn 4 years ago

            They can, even though he didn’t man up about anything. Just don’t try to pass it off as being classy. I will give him credit for being smarter than the other roiders and spinning it in a way that made him seem like a team player.

          • Rob NY 4 years ago

            I must have missed the handout describing what “the right way” is. Does “the right way” not include multi-vitamins and supplements because they didn’t exist in 1896? Damn all those helmet wearing pansies, they don’t play the right way!

          • vonhayesdays 4 years ago

            they did have miracle elixers and tonics some of which contained cocaine and all kinds of uppers and vitamins , so it stands to reason that atleast some of baseball players tried or used them on regular bases . I dont really know and have no proof but just a thought

          • raullll 4 years ago

            He didn’t use steriods, he used HGH.

            HGH is produced by your body, and steroids people normally get from bullshark to get bigger size.

            You guys know nothing and still keeep on talking.

          • flickadave 4 years ago

            Hey, didn’t I see you on the BALCO hearings? Does it really matter what he took? He still cheated the game.

          • raullll 4 years ago

            “Does it really matter what he took?” what a stupid question, of course it matter what he took.

            You have absolutely no clue what your talking about, all that matters to you is that he is a yankee and he must be hated.

            i could understand your point if he took steroids and was lighting up the radar gun, but since 2002 andy’s fastball has never toched 90 mph on average.

            Guys that take steroids normally hit more HRs or light up the radar gun, andy did neither

          • flickadave 4 years ago

            Does it matter what he took? No it doesn’t. He cheated the game. He took HGH to heal faster so that he could get back to pitching sooner. That is just what he admitted to doing because he got caught. What else did he do that we don’t know about?

            One of the reasons that it matters is because, by taking HGH to heal faster, he gave his team an unfair advantage over a team with players that didn’t use PEDs. That’s bad for the game. It would be like letting one team use corked bats.

            Another reason that it matters, and I hope Pettitte finds this out in 5 years, is because a lot of the allure to many baseball fans are the statistics players produce. You see it on MLBTR all the constantly. People decide who is the better player or who a team should acquire (and how much said player should be paid) by what stats a guy puts up. Both HGH and steroids skew those numbers. That’s really bad for the game in a multitude of ways. How do you decide who deserves to be in the HoF if their numbers weren’t comparable to players that went before them? It doesn’t matter if Andy was lighting up the radar gun or not. He was able to play in games that he shouldn’t have been playing in because he used HGH (and who knows what else).

            Yes, Pettitte was a Yankee and therefore he had to be hated BUT, as Yankees go, he was one of the more likable ones. I’m just as disappointed at Papi (and probably Manny) using PEDs as I am at Pettitte. In my opinion, Selig should have banned all players caught using PEDs for life. Pete Rose is banned for life because his bets might have influenced a handful of games. All of the PED users have influenced the outcomes of, probably, the vast majority of games. After a while, you might as well go watch professional wrestling.

            Where would you draw the line? Sounds like you would be OK with all the players juicing and let the best chemist win. Or is it just all the Yankees that can juice with impunity? Seems like all that matters to you is that he was a Yankee and, therefore, he could do no wrong. You really think that that is good for the game?

      • bleachercreature 4 years ago

        to me using a drug to heal faster and get back into the game is not a bad thing, he was upfront about that. What would you do if you were in his situation? besides he did that in Houston so technically it doesn’t make the Yankees cheaters it makes the Astros

        • monkeydung 4 years ago

          to me he was the first one to come up with that excuse.

        • jaryl612 4 years ago

          That’s exactly why Bonds, McGwire etc used drugs. They lifted weights which made tiny tears in their muscle fibers and used drugs to heal those muscles faster.

          • bleachercreature 4 years ago

            that’s not even close to the same thing. Pettitte was legitimately hurt, those guys were healthy

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            The justification of why they did it makes little difference. They all did it, whether it helped them heal or helped prevent them from injury, it makes no difference

      • vinnieg 4 years ago

        if you dont think pettitte has class your foolish. yeah he used hgh, but he gave the most sincere apology possible. he called himself an embarrassment and if thats not class then your out of your mind.

        • alxn 4 years ago

          That isn’t true at all. I believe his exact quote was “If I did anything wrong, I am sorry.”

          • 0bsessions 4 years ago

            I love that response. It’s what I give my girlfriend when she doesn’t like my tone.

            It probably goes over just as well in regards to PED accusations as it does with her, too.

      • Just out of curiosity, what team do you root for? Because I can list a bunch of players on any team that probably used PEDs. Of course you probably wont respond, like the Yankee hating troll that you are.

        • flickadave 4 years ago

          I’m curious. Name “a bunch of” Royals and Pirates players that probably used HGH. Of course you probably won’t respond, like the PED enabler that you are.

          • Rob NY 4 years ago

            Barry Bonds was a Pittsburgh Pirate wasn’t he? Oh.

          • mozelpuffski 4 years ago

            ya when he was skinny

          • thevoiceofbv 4 years ago

            Josias Manzanillo, Tim Laker, Hal Morris (’99), Jason Grimsley, Denny Neagle, Jason Christiansen, Brendan Donnelly, Jeremy Giambi. The Mitchell Report had players on it from the lowest to the highest. As much as I cheered Andy Pettitte on, he will suffer the same fate as Mark McGwire.

          • flickadave 4 years ago

            OK, I don’t think that any of the players that you listed should even be on the HoF ballot then. Fair?

          • thevoiceofbv 4 years ago

            You don’t think Jeremy Giambi is a HoF’er? Just kidding, you made a fair point….you asked for a bunch of Royals / Pirates on the list. Quality is another thing….

          • sf55forlife 4 years ago

            You left out Willie Stargell

          • I can name a bunch of Royals and Pirates that probably SHOULD’VE used PEDs.

            But come to think of it… that George Brett blow up after he was called out in the “pine tar” game seemed somewhat reminiscent of “roid rage.”

        • rushforpresident 4 years ago

          I am a Red Sox fan. And Yes, we had two major players that contributed to our two rings. And yes, I immediately wanted them off the team. And yes, Petitte was a great pitcher. And yes, I hate the yankees. BUT. More importantly than all of that, I LOVE BASEBALL. And it’s not fair to the memories and legacies of players like Ruth, Aaron, Speaker, Cobb, and Maris to let these guys off with “Oh, he apologized so nicely.” He cheated baseball. End of story.

          • sf55forlife 4 years ago

            Babe Ruth injected himself with sheep testosterone. Mike Schmidt used Amphetamines. Willie Mays too. And Hank Aaron. And Willie Stargell. Mickey Mantle is a suspected PED user as well. Pud Galvin used PED’s as a player before the 20th century.

            Whitey Ford used to doctor the baseball. Gaylord Perry too.

          • top_prospect_aw 4 years ago

            Jimi Hendrix did purple haze, Bob Marley smoked weed and Eric Clapton tributes Cocaine…and I tell my best stories when I’m drunk. Who cares..appreciate it for what it is. :)

          • sf55forlife 4 years ago

            so its ok for Hank Aaron to cheat, and yes he even admitted to it, but when Barry Bonds supposedly does it he is the worst human being known to man. GREAT!

          • TheWeedInLincecum 4 years ago

            lol purple haze is weed lmao its a strain(f)

      • Yanksfan2010 4 years ago

        So what team do you like? Your just someone who hates the Yankees. Andy Pettitte was a great pitcher.

        • MB923 4 years ago

          Certainly an above average pitcher, but not a great pitcher.

          • Steven St Croix 4 years ago

            Well said. Definatly not a HOF’er

          • Well, Steve Neither are you. I’d vote for him.

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            good one.. are you rubber and him glue?

          • Rob NY 4 years ago

            He was a very good pitcher, and I loved him as a player. Unfortunately, the only way to let him in IMO is by pointing out other pitchers who I think also don’t belong. That seems contradictory so I won’t do it.

        • ironnat 4 years ago

          All criticism of the Yankees can be explained away by saying “Your just someone who hates the Yankees” but if that doesn’t work immediately mention the 27 rings and all is well.

      • Ben_Cherington 4 years ago

        “If you aint cheatin, you aint tryin”

        I think that originated in baseball! Players and managers have been cheating for 100 years. Its part of the game, sometimes you get caught, sometimes you dont. You can find tons of guys in the hall who cheated some way or another. Ty Cobb sharpened is spikes, at least Pettitte was trying to hurt anyone, just trying to heal himself.

        By no means am I saying its ok, but if you dont like cheating you need another sport!

      • MB923 4 years ago

        I bet if I asked any Red Sox fan if Big Papi is a class act, they will say yes. If you are a Red Sox fan or if there are Red Sox fans who agree with you when you say Pettitte has No Class for cheating, then that should disqualify Papi as being a class act.

        • flickadave 4 years ago

          Has anyone even argued that cheaters can’t have class? Like Notsuresrs said earlier in the thread, “classiest most honorable cheat ever”. Sums it up pretty well I think.

          • MB923 4 years ago

            “rushforpresident [Moderator] 6 hours ago in reply to Osc S.
            A class act who cheated at baseball? Nice standards Osc. I’m glad to see the cheating yankee go. Good riddance.

      • raullll 4 years ago

        Kid everyone has HGH naturally in their body, the guy used it to recover from an injury which it would deff speed up the processs. It’s not like andy was pumping 95 mph fastballs.

      • Did you know that Andy Pettitte cheated to maintain a 4.50 ERA?

        most overrated pitcher of all time

    • ironnat 4 years ago

      A class act that left his team out to dry with his indecisiveness. He could have made the same decision two months ago and they could have filled his slot with a lot more options.

      • Rob NY 4 years ago

        like who? The only guys that could improve the staff were Pettite and lee. Cliff decided to take more money and Andy retired. Who’d you want that got signed since Cliff did?

    • He did it to recover from an elbow injury.. Cut him some slack. It would seem his reason to use peds was to get back to 100%. Not 100% healthy plus peds.

  4. Redsoxn8tion 4 years ago

    Hats off to Andy. He was a great pitcher that I always feared facing when he played the Red Sox. Congrats on a great career.

  5. Hoffman, Wagner*, and now Pettitte. Good luck everyone else on the ballot…

    • vtadave 4 years ago

      What’s with the asterisk? Just curious…

      • Was gunna put a footnote, got tired. It’s been one of those days.

        *not yet officially retired

    • flickadave 4 years ago

      If McGwire doesn’t get in, Pettitte shouldn’t get in.

      • u wanna call pettitte a cheater, fine thats ur opinion… but dnt compare him to bonds, mcgwire, and clemens… its 1 thing to use hgh its another to make a mockery of mlb and a circus of the media as those 3 have… its not a fair comparison

        • Ben_Cherington 4 years ago

          One could also say…where would Baseball be without those three…especially McGwire in his prime. He put people back in the seats when baseball needed something to help revive the game. Just playing devils advocate by the way.

        • The only reason it’s a “circus” with those guys is because they were legit, transcendent stars who broke or set records. If Andy Pettitte had been anything better than an ok #2 starter throughout his career and then been found “cheating,” it would be a circus too.

      • MB923 4 years ago

        Pettitte isn’t to begin with. And if McGwire doesn’t, Manny and A-Rod and the others shouldn’t

        By the way, not sure if you heard after Henderson got elected, Canseco mentioned baseball is going to have a real problem when they find out they have a HOFer who used steroids. This was approximately right after Henderson got elected. Somebody mentioned though, although I can’t find a source or anything, that Canseco had said he believed Rickey was clean.

        So let me ask you this, if he reveals what player it is, and if that player admits his guilt (although I doubt it). Do you think they should remove his plaque from the HOF? Is it fair to keep that player in and not elect the others. I don’t think it’s right to elect some and not elect others.

        • flickadave 4 years ago

          I totally think that if they are keeping players out of the HoF because of steroid use and a player that is in now admits that he was a user then they should take him out of the HoF. Remember, I’m the guy that thinks there should be a ballot every year to vote people OUT of the HoF. That would make it more relevant than the “Hall of Very, Very Good” that it is becoming. The Baseball Hall of Fame won the 2010 museum Gold Glove didn’t it?

          • MB923 4 years ago

            I already know my top 3 I’d vote off in that case

            1- Phil Rizzuto
            2- Bill Mazerowski
            3- Jim Rice

          • flickadave 4 years ago

            That would make for an interesting thread wouldn’t it?

        • sf55forlife 4 years ago


  6. As Michael Kay would say….SEE YA!!!

    • shysox 4 years ago

      As a White Sox fan, I shouldn’t be talking about bad announcers, but I hate Michael Kay.

      • bleachercreature 4 years ago

        oh god I hate your guy! I’m sorry, but wow he is disgustingly terrible. He could probably have the worst calls ever and I hate John Sterling.

        • MB923 4 years ago

          Imagine Sterling and Hawk as a team? GOODNESS GRACIOUS!

          • bleachercreature 4 years ago


        • guydavis 4 years ago

          I couldn’t be a CWS fan with that commentary. I mean, my Mets are feeling hard times but at least I can listen to Gary Keith and Ron

          • I’d rather have your guys… We (Phillies fans) went from Harry Kalas to Tom McCarthy and Chris Wheeler.

          • vonhayesdays 4 years ago

            Rip HARRY

          • vonhayesdays 4 years ago

            Ron Darling is tough to listen too but the rest are alright

          • guydavis 4 years ago

            Wow I can’t believe a Phillies fan is saying “I’d rather have your guys” to a Mets fan haha.

          • MB923 4 years ago

            Ron is horrible. Keith always seems drunk when he speaks. Gary is decent though. But I cannot stand Ron Darling.

      • Ben_Cherington 4 years ago


      • strikethree 4 years ago

        “HE GONE” as the Hawk would say…

      • melkor77 4 years ago

        grab some bench

      • sf55forlife 4 years ago

        bad announcer yes. But his talk show is really good, he is a completely different guy on the radio. Probably because the Yankees limit his speech.

  7. Checkmate, New York.

    • vinnieg 4 years ago

      aside from boston tell me one team in the AL better then the yankees

      • RahZid 4 years ago


        • vinnieg 4 years ago

          sorry bud, i meant in the AL.

          • mozelpuffski 4 years ago

            rangers – tigers – rays – jays had a winning record against the yanks last year and have better pitching – a’s are on their heels – wsox – angels…

          • wickedkevin 4 years ago

            Angels? You lose

          • mozelpuffski 4 years ago

            vernon makes them WS favourites! haha

          • Stuntman23 4 years ago

            Typically 3rd place teams in the AL West don’t make it to the WS.

          • mozelpuffski 4 years ago

            ask the giants how they fared the year following a 3rd place showing in the NL west…

          • Russell Mania 4 years ago

            This post is as correct as the phrase “the Red Sox could have won those championships without Ortiz and Manny on steroids”

          • mozelpuffski 4 years ago

            take it your a yanks fan… need to loose the rose coloured glasses…

          • bleachercreature 4 years ago


          • RahZid 4 years ago

            Maybe he thought they were on too tight.

          • mozelpuffski 4 years ago

            thats what you get when blogging at work and looking over your shoulder… oops. thx

          • I disagree with the Rangers. Their line up may be better but their rotation is just as bad if not worse and the Yankees have a better bullpen. Otherwise besides the angels i agree with your list.

      • so your saying that the yankees are the number 2 team in baseball behind boston, i think there are a great many teams that would beg to differ considering both teams have serious pitching issues…

        • Guest 4 years ago

          Just my thoughts, but the Red Sox don’t really have “serious” pitching problems. Lester and Bucholz were Cy Young contenders last year and Beckett will be healthy this year. Lackey is a better pitcher than he showed last year. Dice-K is an average pitcher at best though.

          The Yankees do not have serious pitching problems either. Sabathia is one of the best pitchers in baseball, Phil Hughes is only getting better and (like Lackey) Burnett will have a better year this year. Nova showed he can do fine in the majors last year and and he will do fine this year and continue to grow. Their #5, whoever they choose will be fine for them if they can win 8-10 games.

          In short, I would take either of these rotations over most of what other teams have.

      • A’s Rangers Twin’s White Sox possibly Tigers, Angels.

        • MB923 4 years ago


        • no, no, no, no, no, no… ur done thank god… none of those teams r even close… the A’s have no offense watsoever… rangers lost their best player in cliff lee nd vlad who had an amazing year, twins have joe mauer nd morneau nd thats the extent of their team, white sox and tigers thats just laughable, and the angels do they even have a contending team anymore??? they might finish 3rd in the weak west… bryan says the yanks have pitching problems, name 1 team other than philly or boston that has a better #3 starter than phil hughes….

          vinnieg there are none, ppl just dont know wat they r talkin bout

          • wickedkevin 4 years ago

            I would argue, but your name is “TheSituation.” Thus, making your argument invalid.

          • The Giants didn’t have much offense either and look what they did last year, Yankees lost their best pitcher in Andy Pettitte, Joe Mauer plays a premium position, Yankees are laughable now too, and do the Yankees even have a contending team anymore? The weak west sent they’re best team to the WS last year, after dominating the mighty east teams of the Rays and Yankees. If Phil Hughes is your number3 starter whos the #2 starter? And I’ll name a team. The Rangers with Colby Lewis.

          • “The Giants didn’t have much offense either and [overachieved, were lucky, and got game changing calls]”

            I fixed it for it you. (But I’m just a jealous Braves fan who wished we had three more runs in us) ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • never thought I’d agree with a Braves fan but I’m going to here!

            Again though I disagree with the sentiment that the Rangers are better. Their rotation has just as many questions as the Yankees and their bullpen is considerably weaker.

          • sf55forlife 4 years ago

            hey completely dominated the Rangers and easily handled the Phillies. You can say they were lucky all you want, the truth is the Giants won over 90 games and had a team built for the playoffs. As much as the media likes to pretend that the Giants lucked into the playoffs it wasn’t really that way. The Giants were one of the hottest teams in the second half.

          • Tyler, what sport are you watching? Pettitte their best pitcher? I am sure CC has something to say about that. I think NY will be fine and they’ll compete. I think it;s funny that about a year ago everyone was jumping on the Mariner band-wagon during the off season and look what happened to them. Needless to say I predicted it (although not on this board). I am predicting it here: NY will win the division.

          • hardcoreforhardcore 4 years ago

            Andy Pettitte was their best pitcher? I think there’s a big brown bear that would have something to say about that.

          • popular_mechanics_for_pitchers 4 years ago

            this isn’t twitter you can spell words properly

        • vinnieg 4 years ago

          A’s? Rangers? Twins? your out of your mind. None of these teams are better than the yankees.

      • wickedkevin 4 years ago

        There may not be a team that is better, but I’d say there are a lot of teams that are close. Rays, White Sox, Twins, Tigers, etc.

      • Guest 4 years ago

        Technically, the Rangers are the only team that can claim they are better than the Yankee’s in the AL at this very moment. Let’s chat about Boston in September.

        • vinnieg 4 years ago

          yeah ill give you that. Now they dont have Lee so I am confident to say they are the number 2 team. But as we all know predictions are not credible

      • flickadave 4 years ago


  8. kevmill21 4 years ago

    heck of a career, heck of a post-season force, enjoy retirement

    • To bad he lost his last post season game again who? The Rangers baybee!

      • rickjimbo 4 years ago

        stay classy texas

        • You’re right, I apologize.

        • Infield Fly 4 years ago

          You are right – it’s not classy – but to be honest it also happens to be the kind of thing MANY Yanks fans run around saying to fans of other teams — and on a regular basis. I just got a dose of it last week when I casually mentioned a different baseball team I like. The bragging and jeers began before I could finish my sentence. So just a little perspective….

      • glook2 4 years ago

        He has more post season wins than the Rangers organization.

    • Post-season force….that’s going to be the fallacy on the likes of Jim “most feared hitter of his generation” Rice when Pettitte’s time comes and the writers have to try to justify voting for a guy who has no business in the hall. His post-season numbers are nearly identical to his regular-season numbers. Obviously the quality of post-season opponents is a bit higher, but his number in the playoffs still scream #2-3 starter. He only has the most wins because he’s made 42 starts for the team that has had consistently one of the best lineups in baseball.

  9. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Now we’ll have to start speculating Brett Farve’s future on MLBTR.

  10. Since_77 4 years ago

    Thanks Andy! You will be missed.
    I think game 5 of 1996 World Series was your best after loosing game 1. Thanks again!

  11. touchmymonkey 4 years ago

    Zambrano or Dempster for Joba – cubs get salary relief and nice solid BP ( Marshall, Joba, Wood, Marmol ). Yanks get starter they need.

    • It would cost a lot more to get either of those guys. And I don’t like the cubs or yanks and know this.

    • timmytwoshoezzz 4 years ago

      LOL at the insanity of this trade. Even Hendry isn’t that dumb.

      • vinnieg 4 years ago

        dempster wont happen. But I dont think it would take alot to get big z at all. Chicago hates that contract, and hates his attitude. Im not Hendry or Cashman but I can almost guarantee they would accept a Nova, Phelps, or Noesi for big Z trade. Its just a matter if zambrano wants to go to NY.

        • Ya, but they wouldn’t just straight up take Joba. You also got to remember that they trained away Gorzo, and acquired Garza so it seems they are wanting to try and win this year.

    • Bob George 4 years ago

      Joba is incredibly overrated, injury prone, and a poor character. Dempster and Z both have no trade clauses.

      • MB923 4 years ago

        Injury prone? He hurt is back once. I will agree hs is overrrated and has a poor character taste. But hey, so does Zambrano

        • flickadave 4 years ago

          I think you might have missed the Cashman press conference where he said that Joba wouldn’t be a starter because he hasn’t been the same since he injured himself in a game in Texas. I still don’t know if that makes him any more “injury prone” than the next guy but he hasn’t just hurt his back once.

      • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

        Overrated? Or underrated (lifetime 3.77 FIP in 373 IP w/ a career 9 K/9, yeah horrible).

        Injury prone? One 15 day DL stint since 2007.

        Bad charachter? Based on what? No DUI’s, no mention of a clubhouse cancer, never involved in any off fieldfights or media blow ups.

        Great insight.

        • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

          didn’t he get caught for DUI?

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            You know what? My bad. You are right. He had one a couple of years ago. I stand corrected. Makes him stupid but not really and indictment on his charachetr. I wouldsay though had anyone been hurt then he would deserve to pay the consequences unlike Leyritz.

        • “Bad character” he says about Joba. Meanwhile Carlos Zambrano is supposed to be included in the conversation.

  12. Chuck Norris 4 years ago

    oh no you didn’t!

  13. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    Ouch….. $20 buck says the yanks swing a deal for a starter in the next 2 weeks….

    Brett Gardner, we hardly knew ye.

    • Sniderlover 4 years ago

      It would be awfully stupid to trade Gardner unless he is in a package deal for Felix or something.

      • RedSoxDynasty 4 years ago

        Yeah, like Gardiner, Hughes, Montero and Cano!

      • $1529282 4 years ago

        Why do people even mention Felix’s name in trades?

        • Because Jon Heyman had nothing to write about after the Yanks missed out on Lee, so he looked for a bad team with a great pitcher and said “Hey, the Yankees could ask about him” and all of a sudden people are speculating on Felix trade rumours. Nevermind that Felix is under control for the next 4 years and the Mariners have the endless cash flow that is the Nintendo war chest.

      • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

        lol I’m baffled by that statement.. Is it sarcasm or idiocy? I cannot tell

    • Fangaffes 4 years ago

      It’s gonna cost them. Every team now knows the Yankees are desperate. Dumping Joba for a starter won’t get it done.

  14. Motor_City_Bombshell 4 years ago

    Looks to be a potentially rough season for the Yankees without a legitimate no. 2-3 guy on the roster. I mean, yeah, Phil Hughes could be that guy, or Burnett could return to form…but that’s being a little optimistic isn’t it? I think they’re in trouble.

  15. TartanElk 4 years ago

    Intercom: Attention! All hands on deck! All hands on deck! The USS Steinbrenner has been critically damaged!

    Rear Admiral Jeter: Don’t worry, we can still make this season work. My gold glove defensive abilities shall see us through.

    Lieutenant Rodriguez: I can carry us through with my offensive power!

    Ensign Sabbathia: I can has cheezburger?

    Fleet Admiral Cashman: Pfft. Pettitte? He never figured into our plans. It was a bluff all along. Just like us wanting to sign Cliff Lee. No big deal, we knew this would happen. Why do you think I signed Freddy Garcia?

    Ensign Swisher: I still get to play right? Hey, are you guys listening to me? I’m a good player too! Guys? GUYS?! *says to self* nobody ever loves me…


    While I wouldn’t say they’re beyond repair for this season, losing Pettitte now too does hurt a significant bit. They could still very well win the division, or at least get the wild card. If they make the playoffs, I think they get to ALDS at best. They better start looking for a better pitching staff.

    Good luck Yankee fans!

  16. Bob George 4 years ago

    Finally, baseball’s Brett Favre retires. Hopefully this is for good.

    • MB923 4 years ago

      The only way you can say that Andy is Brett Favre, is if he pitches another game again. There is a difference between being undecisive about retiring, and retiring and coming back not once, not twice, but THREE times.

    • Infield Fly 4 years ago

      Andy spent his off-time sexting women? News to me! :p

    • start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

      Wasn’t that Clemens?

  17. roomwithamoose 4 years ago

    Andy you will be missed. Selfishly I wanted him to return, but if he doesn’t want to pitch anymore then I’ll say congratulations on a great career. A class act who gets to retire on his own terms. Though his Hall of Fame credentials are marginal if not debatable I do hope the yanks retire his number due to his great contributions to the team, and his involvement on evry one of the yankees world series since 1996.

  18. bglaszcz 4 years ago

    Big time Red Sox fan here, and Andy Pettitte was one Yankee I could never hate. Seemed to always beat us too, glad he’s retiring and putting the Yankees in a tough spot! He normally went about his business not ruffling too many feathers, and he fessed up amongst the HGH allegations. Much respect for the guy.

    • RedSoxDynasty 4 years ago

      Same here! Pettitte was a clutch pitcher and class act! Big blow for the Yanks!

      • MB923 4 years ago

        “Pettitte was a clutch pitcher and class act!”

        Of all people, I can’t believe you said this

        • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

          If he announced he was coming back he would have went the “overrated, old steroid user, Jose iglesias best prospect ever” route

        • RedSoxDynasty 4 years ago

          Why? I don’t like the Yankees but I’ve always respected the hell out of players like Jeter, Mariano, etc!(Arod, not so much) I have way more problems with the idiots who make ignorant comments about the Sox than fans of NY!

  19. MadmanTX 4 years ago

    Good for Andy. Yet another blow to the Evil Empire.

  20. slider32 4 years ago

    Its good to see Pettitte go out on top after a good year, although the Yanks chances are not good without him. Not too many people would turn down 15 million. Now we will see what Garcia, Colon, and Prior can do along with Brackman, Noesi, and Phelps. The Sox seem to be the clear cut favorite now!

    • Guest 4 years ago

      Yeah because Beckett, Lackey and Dice-K are so sharp…

      • soxfan0928 4 years ago

        Much sharper than Burnett, Nova, and Mitre.

      • GMwannabe 4 years ago

        LOL.. you’re grasping at straws now Century.. There is not a Yankee fan on the planet who wouldn’t trade rotatiosn with the Sox right now..

        • Guest 4 years ago

          I’ll take the Yankees current rotation and stacked farm of arms. Next year it will be the other way around when Becket and Lackey are both useless Dice-K is gone and the Sox are left with a similar conundrum.

          • mozelpuffski 4 years ago

            then sox and yanks will need to worry about the jays. they are slowly assembling a team comparable to the mid 80’s to early 90’s… ahh once upon a time when we were the cream of the crop….

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            AGonz and Carl Crawford can both pitch

      • You are right…. they didn’t look sharp. But perspective is really something…. Lackey and Dice-K had better stats than Hughes the last 20+ starts of the season. And Hughes is the next coming of the Rocket.

        • MB923 4 years ago

          Who said Hughes was like Clemens?

          Last I heard from Red Sox fans a couple of years ago, Paps was the next Mo. And Lars Anderson was expected to be the next Albert Pujols.

        • Lackey and Dice-K are supposed to be in the “prime” of their careers and are making big bucks. Hughes is 24 years old and is expected to see some growing pains in his 1st full season of starting. Who is the better investment for the future?

          • GMwannabe 4 years ago

            Sure Hughes is a good investment and should be very good but hes on par with Buchholz.. To write off Beckett and Lackey is absurd, particularly when you are rocking AJ Burnett, Ivan Nova and SERGIO MITRE in your rotation!!!

            To say Boston will be in the same boat as NY next year is just flat out ignorant

          • Not once did I say the Red Sox rotation is worse than the Yankees. My only point was that they have question marks beyond the first two spots of the rotation (Lester and Buchholz), much like the Yankees beyond CC and Hughes.

            Almost every team outside of Philadelphia has question marks in their rotation. Some guys will bounce back, some guys will get hurt, and some guys will struggle. What I find absurd is how Red Sox fans are writing off the Yankees as done when all they have lost is Andy Pettitte from last year’s team that went to the ALCS. You would think that your fan base would be among the first to recognize that anything can happen, and just because you have the best team on paper, that doesn’t guarantee anything.Did anyone predict the Red Sox would have such an injury plagued 2010 that they would miss the playoffs completely? Of course not. So stop acting like a bunch of Ms. Cleos and let’s check back with each other in October.

  21. soxfan0928 4 years ago

    Theo’s next move – Deciding what type of champagne to have this year.

  22. slider32 4 years ago

    I like that deal, the Yanks will be in the hunt for another pitcher now.

  23. joeybw 4 years ago

    One of the few Yankees, I kinda liked. However I really hated facing him. Well, I think Yankees best chance is Nova and Garcia, give Brackman a month in AAA to take Garcia’s job, what I would do anyway.

    • thedocjon 4 years ago

      Is Brackman really MLB ready?

      • MB923 4 years ago

        Doesn’t appear to be.

      • He was a draft pick out of college that had immediate Tommy John surgery. Usually college players rise through the minors quickly, but he needed an extra 2 seasons to recover from the surgery and return to full strength. His output in AA last year showed signs that he is returning to form. So if that’s the case, it wouldn’t surprise me to see him start the year in AAA but then get a quick call up after showing early success.

  24. rbgraf 4 years ago

    Doesnt look good they better swing a deal somewhere……….A guy named Sergio Mitre sounds like a commercial for a pair of jeans, wouldnt want him in my rotation. Hopefully a guy like fausto carmona could be had !!!

  25. RahZid 4 years ago

    I am so happy right now, can’t believe he’s finally hanging them up. Congrats Andy, you certainly earned it.

  26. soxfan0928 4 years ago

    I gotta admit. The Scranton Yankees are SICK this year. Colon – Prior – Garcia as your top 3. Dude. They’re gonna be lights out. Easily the favorites to win the AAA championship.

    • wickedkevin 4 years ago

      0928? Hey…that’s MY birthday! and I’m a sox fan! Are you stealing my identity?

    • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

      They’ve won 5 AAA titles in a row. Didn’t need the ringers.

    • MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

      That team has been missing something since the departure of AAAA stud Shelley Duncan.

  27. Andy Pettitte…Great career and a class act! Speaking for many fans of baseball, I’m sad to see him retire, because he was a very good pitcher for so many years. Plus, he had one of the best pick-off moves I’ve ever seen. Best of luck to you, Andy!!

  28. Guest 4 years ago

    There are going to be a lot of you Red Sox fans in a few months with serious “foot in mouth syndrome” I see it coming..

    Last I checked the Red Sox lost last year. No playoffs. Yankee’s are still the team to beat. Until then I wouldn’t be popping any corks.

    • soxfan0928 4 years ago

      Last time I checked, the Sox got better this offseason.

      What’d the Yankees do again? Oh, Soriano. Nice, you’ll be good for 65 innings this year.

      • Last time I checked the Sox HAD to get better because they came in 3rd place in their division.

        • soxfan0928 4 years ago

          The Sox got better with health.

          Then they signed Crawford, Gonzo, Jenks, and Wheeler.

          But no, don’t worry. The Yanks got Turpen from the Sox in the Rule 5 draft. Damn. Back on top are the Yankees.

          • Usually when you have more holes to fill and miss the playoffs, you tend to add more players during the offseason. Seems logical to me.

          • Good job ignoring the whole “health” thing that is really the main reason the Red Sox missed the post-season. Take a peek at games played by Ellsbury, Pedroia and Youkilis (their opening day 1-2-4 hitters) and Mike Cameron, their starting CF.

          • Every team has injuries throughout the season. Obviously the Red Sox had more injuries than most. But even with a healthy squad, nothing is guaranteed. We can play the “what if” game until we are blue in the face. In the end, all that matters is where you are in the standings after 162 games are played. Anyone who cries about injuries when its a reality that everyone else has to deal with is just a crybaby.

          • mozelpuffski 4 years ago

            and IF the yanks lost Cano for a period of time they would not have won ale.. so ya one can play the if games but we all can agree that Pedroia and Youk are huge to their success… but if it helps, sox and yanks will be blue in the face in a couple of years when they realize just how strong Jays and Rays will be…. That being said there is no way yanks repeat with the rotation they have, they need to sign/trade for a legit starter…

          • And I can pretty much guarantee that the Yanks WILL trade for another starter between now and July 31st. The only thing that will stop them is if they find a prospect from the minors who is ready to surprise people and make the jump this year.

          • BoSoxSam 4 years ago

            Looks like someone wasn’t watching very carefully last year.

          • Wheeler and better should never really be linked together…As a Rays fan, I celebrated his signing with Boston… :)

        • Guest 4 years ago

          Word bro…

          • GMwannabe 4 years ago

            so i guess next year we will see the Yankees make more moves because they sure as hell have holes… not to mention some aging players

      • Let them play! Let them play!

    • flickadave 4 years ago

      Last time I checked, the Rays won the AL East in 2010. I believe that makes THEM the team to beat.

  29. “Pettitte to retire. Yankees to blame the Rangers.”
    -Jamey Newberg

    • glook2 4 years ago

      More like, “Source: Rangers take credit for Pettitte’s retirement”

      • soxfan0928 4 years ago

        This just in from Levine: “Am I going to have to start dreaming about my wife now”

        Also, Steinbrenner was quoted, saying “#*$#&* #$*#&$# #*$#($*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

  30. Steelslayer 4 years ago

    Good riddance…him and Roger (if he doesn’t go to jail) can sit around and shoot roids

    • Guest 4 years ago

      I always wondered what wifi service was like from under a rock. Thanks for being the person to run those tests..

      • Steelslayer 4 years ago

        Sorry you’re right I guess I should be more impressed by his major league career, but I would like to be impressed by his years when he wasn’t using PFD, but we don’t really know when that was. Most Yankee fans like you live “under a rock” if they won’t accept the reality that he was an admitted cheater, and he will not go to the Hall of Fame because of it. Just because he admitted guilt, it does not mean all is ok and forgiven

  31. wickedkevin 4 years ago


  32. pastlives 4 years ago

    headlining a trade with gardner for a good pitcher could be a smart move for the yanks.

    • Jeff 4 years ago

      Gardner for Brandon Beachy or Jajr Jurrjens. Braves would have to consider it- given their CF issues and excess starting pitching coming down the pipe in a year.

      • bbxxj 4 years ago

        Beachy would far too little and Jurrjens would be a bit of an overpay.

        People seem not to notice how little Beachy has actually pitched as a starter and as a pitcher in general. He has barely over 200 IP in his entire pro career and will need to get a full AAA season starting to polish up and more importantly build up the strength and endurance needed to be counted on for a full season of MLB innings. Jurrjens however is too valuable as an established starter with still three years of control and who is going to be counted on in Atlanta’s rotation to be traded away for someone who may not get 100% PT. Now if the Yanks would add some prospects along with Gardner to force Wren to pull Jurrjens out of his rotation then I could see that but I’m not sure Cashman would value Jurrjens that highly or be that desperate.

        • Jeff 4 years ago

          Yeah, I agree on that analysis. Jurrjens is a little much for Gardner, and Wren doesn’t want to trade him, but overpaying from a position of strength to fill a position of weakness (and CF is the Braves weakest link this year), isn’t a bad thing.

          The downside is you’d have two rookies in the rotation until at least August until Medlen comes back, but Minor should be better then most 4th starter, Beachy better then most 5th starters, and you got insurance at AAA, as well as stud prospects.

          With Gardner you eliminate the chance that McLouth puts up a .180/.250/.290 line and kills your CF production/ forces you to rely on a good CF who got hurt bad, an unproven guy playing out of position (Mather) or a AAAA player (Matt young)

          • bbxxj 4 years ago

            I really love Beachy’s excellent command/control of several solid pitches and his potential, I really don’t see him having the ability to handle any MLB rotation spot in 2011. I would rather see Lopez as a fifth starter than possibly running Beachy’s future into the groud with too big of an innings load.

            Could Wren trade Jurrjens before opening day? Sure and it might be a good idea if we can continue to stockpile high upside arms but he won’t be replaced by Beachy in my opinion.

  33. famous_amazing_guy 4 years ago

    best pick off move i ever saw. respect.

  34. bleachercreature 4 years ago

    This is the opposite of what I wanted on my birthday : (

  35. thedocjon 4 years ago

    Why does Brackman figure to be in the starting rotation mix? He hasnt even pitched AAA ball yet?
    Please dont sign Millwood now.
    We will miss you Andy.

  36. thedocjon 4 years ago

    also happy to possibly see homegrown Yankee pitches step up!

  37. C’mon, AA, sign Vlad for Jays, the Yanks/Rays can be had this year, gotta seize the moment in the AL East

  38. Yanksfan2010 4 years ago

    Andy Pettite was a great pitcher. He would never talk negative about any other player or team. Even if you hate the Yankees you can’t deny that Pettitte had a great talent.

  39. Giorgi Almonte 4 years ago

    man, he has something left…but another punch in the stomach to the Yanks!!

  40. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    I think clearly he was waiting to see what was going to happen with the McNamee civil suit that was given the go ahead yesterday and the recent news of Clemen’s lawyer Hardin and his conflict of interest with Pettitte regarding the upcoming trials all gave Pettitte a glaring look of what’s to come regarding his name being in the press for all the wrong reasons this summer. I think, either out of concern for the team (not wanting to be a distraction) or simply wanting to hide from the media, he choose to take the “easier” way out.

    He brought this on himself but that being said he was a great Yankee and integral part of 5 WS teams. I don’t think he’s a bad guy just a guy who made a bad choice. On that note, thanks big guy for bowing out. Get the next chapter of your life straight.

    • melkor77 4 years ago

      This is exactly right. Depending on how things go, a comeback next year would not surprise me one bit. Unlikely, but it would not surprise me.

  41. As an Orioles fan, I’m happy to see Pettitte retire. He OWNED us. He was a solid pitcher for a long time – the lefthanded version of Mike Mussina. Tough competitor, and I know Yankees’ fans will miss him terribly. It will be interesting to see who they go out and get, and how much they have to give up to get him.

    If the Orioles get Guerrero, that race for 2nd place in the AL East this year gets a little bit tighter!

  42. Im not a yankees fan, but I would have liked to see Pettitte keep playing and try to go for 300. I mean yea he is about 5-6 years off but with conditioning and if he could stay health it would be cool for another pitcher to do it. I know its a long shot, and I wouldnt put money on it giving his injury history but it would have been nice to see him say lets do it give me a 3 year deal lets see how many wins I can get.

  43. I love Andy Pettitte but the all-time wins record for the Yankees should still belong to Whitey Ford. So there is some poetic justice in this.

  44. dc21892 4 years ago

    As a Red Sox fan, I’m loving every NYY story this offseason. Almost none of have gone their way. Even Cashman didn’t want to sign Soriano because they’d lose a pick. Gotta love the panic in NY. Cashman and the Yanks have had a tough offseason, look for a better one next year.

  45. rockfordone 4 years ago

    Cubs could trade Dempster and Soriano for Gardner and Chamberlain – Sorry u must take him.

  46. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    Hughes is 24….just had his 1st season where he was healthy enough topitch more than 150 IP. The fact that you’re comparing what he did to Dice K and Lackey over the last 20 starts says less about those two than it does Hughes. Hughes is SUPPOSE to struggle.

  47. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    I think he needs at least 3 or 4 months at AAA befrom anyone really knows. Cashman has already said he’s not going to rush any of the kids just because of the “mess” of the mlb staff. If anyone comes up other than Nova it will be either Phelps, Mitchell or Noesi he said.

    • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

      YFS78 whats going on with that Reply button?

      • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

        It’s killin’ me. I would’ve posted a vent but the comment police are watching ssssshhhhh (looks around for notsureifsrs).

        • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

          use firefox

        • RahZid 4 years ago

          Use Chrome

          • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

            firefox > chrome

          • RahZid 4 years ago

            Firefox uses to many PC resources for what it does, although it used to be a lightweight application, that is no longer the case. Chrome is currently better, although that is certainly subject to change…. still waiting for someone to suggest Opera or Safari…..

  48. Gumby65 4 years ago

    AJ Burnett 4th starter < AJ Burnett 5th starter

  49. nm344 4 years ago

    Blanton to Yankees makes a lot of sense now. Yanks should have no problems with his full salary as he’ll earn what he’s paid and eat up innings along with lotsa donuts.

    • GMwannabe 4 years ago

      too much of a clubhouse distraction.. he and CC would be fighting over the post game spread far too much

      • Muggi 4 years ago

        CC may have the height advantage, but Heavy B’s a scrapper.

        Over/Under on bites of human flesh eaten in that fight: 1.5

  50. I offer you Yankee fans Barry Zito. We’ll pay half of his salary? Thanks!

    • Since_77 4 years ago

      This is already a sad day for Yankee fans and you just want make it worse.

      • I actually think Zito is a fine fourth starter, really. Just overpaid.

        • Since_77 4 years ago

          Thanks but even Scott Kazmir at $9 million a year would be a better risk than Barry Zito. Zito is schedule to make $17 million this year.

          • Since_77 4 years ago

            I hope Cashman doesn’t panic in a desperate attempt to get pitching and make a move like Tony Reagins made for Vernon Wells. Guys who are under preforming with bad contracts like Blanton, Kazmir and Zito are available.

  51. flickadave 4 years ago

    Time for the Yankees to try “Plan AAA” I think.

  52. Catztradamus 4 years ago

    Secretary: Reuben Amaro’s office, How may I help you.
    Cashman: Um, Uh, Reuben Please…
    Secretary: Who may I ask is calling?
    Cashman: Brian Cashman.
    Secretary: One moment please, Mr. Cashman…
    (7 8 minutes go by….)
    Amaro: Cash money, Talk to me! Sorry bout the weait I was bl;owing up a massive deuce! What’s up, homes?
    Cashman: Lets talk Blanton…
    Amaro: Sorry cash, not on the market. Too valuable., Best five man in the business right now. Protection, Insurance, Blah Blah Blah…
    Cashman: Reuben, what are you looking for.
    Amaro: Honestly Cash, I don’t wan’t to move him. If I’ve said it once I’ve said it a thousand times… Pitching wins chanpionships and …
    Cashman: C’mon reuben. What do you want?
    Reuben: How bout Swisher and Joba straight up.
    Cashman: I’ll give you Justin maxwell and well eat all his salary.
    Amaro: Let me think about it….
    Cashman: Hello?
    Cashman: Reuben?
    Amaro: Throw in dinner at Bern’s while were down in Florida on Steinbrenner for Me and Proefrock.
    Cashman: No.
    Amaro: Had to try. You drive a hard bargain Cash MAN! sign us up Baby! Done deal!

    End Call

    Amaro: Hey chickie, get me Ed Wade on the horn. I fell like fleecing someone else!
    Amaro: (to Himself)… I should have held out for the steaks…

  53. stickyone 4 years ago

    240 million payroll, and you end up with a rotation that includes Colon and garcia? Not to mention counting on Burnett.

    Money just doesn’t go as far as it used to, does it?

    the real interesting part will be if C.C’s knee (coming off surgery) can’t handle 300+ pounds landing on it.

    • Never underestimate the power of the “Super Nova”! The Yankees will be fine:
      CC, Hughes, AJ, Nova, Mitre/Colon/Garcia/Brackman and don’t forget about that lock-down bullpen.

      • Fangaffes 4 years ago

        Yankees fans keep talking about their “lock-down bullpen”. What do they have out there beyond Mo and Soriano? Anything?

        • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago


        • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

          Joba w/ the 2.98 FIP and the 9.7 K/9

          D Robertson w/ the 3.58 FIP and the 10.4 K/9

          Logan with the 3.73 FIP and the 8.5 K/9

          and the new guy Feliciano(don’t want to use NL stats)

          5th best AL bullpen in FIP in 2010 + Soriano + Feliciano

          Any other questions?

          • Fangaffes 4 years ago

            Thanks. All I’ve heard about is Joba and everyone seems to want to see him gone. I guess people are just looking at his ERA. Yankees fielding must really suck when he’s pitching. Yeah, yeah, small sample size and all that…

    • Must have missed hte part where they said colon and garcia were in their rotation, and the 240 million payroll. I mean really man? Do some reading.

      • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

        one of colon or garcia will surely be in the rotation. If not both

    • Muggi 4 years ago

      Congrats, you only misstated their payroll by 20%

      • Fangaffes 4 years ago

        Wait until they’re done picking up salary dump starters.

  54. Rick Garcia 4 years ago

    Cashman has to feel like he’s being punk’d right now.

  55. MB923 4 years ago

    Just half? I thought the whole contract possibly.

  56. MB923 4 years ago

    $240 million? Your math really sucks.

  57. pmc765 4 years ago

    The Yankee haters of yore, at least those who don’t live in New England, have evolved into Red Sox haters, for the same reason.

    We Red Sox haters dare to hope the 2011 Red Sox flounder with Beckett, Lackey and Dice K all hammered with regularity. That isn’t such a stretch: Beckett and Lackey in particular are ordinary, overpaid vets at present, while Dice K never was.

    I’m not a Blue Jay fan, but if I was……

    • start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

      “I’m not a Blue Jay fan, but if I was……”

      Then I’d still be hoping for at least 3rd place.

  58. The strength of the Red Sox rotation is in their top 2 young ace starters of Lester and Buchholz. Outside of that… they have just as many question marks as the Yankees.

    A comparison of stats for the #3-5 starters of the Yankees and Red Sox rotation:

    10-15 5.26 ERA
    12-6 4.64 ERA
    1-2 4.50 ERA

    Red Sox:
    14-11 4.40 ERA
    6-6 5.78 ERA
    9-6 4.69 ERA

    • you are correct looking at hte numbers, however beckett was injury plagued and can be a really good pitcher, more potential then burnout. Also the red sox have lackey/dice k who can be rocky but are solid veterans at hte back end of your rotation who have both one big playoff games. I have to give the edge to the red sox.

      • RahZid 4 years ago

        Little known fact, Lackey led the Sox in quality starts in 2010.

        • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

          woaaaaaaah. no way

          • RahZid 4 years ago

            Now, I’m not saying quality starts are actually a good stat (how valuable is 6 IP and 3 ER?) but still, Lackey was tied for 8th in the AL with 21 quality starts. As a point of reference, Verlander had 22 quality starts.

          • RahZid 4 years ago

            Also, Lackey matched Greinke in QS and QS%.

      • Agreed that the edge goes to the Red Sox. My only point is, people are being over-dramatic by saying the Yankees are doomed because of their starting pitching situation. In the end, Pettitte retiring could be a blessing in disguise for the organization. Usually Yankee prospects don’t get much of a chance to prove themselves at the MLB level unless they are traded to another team. Now there is open competition for 2 rotation spots between Mitre, Colon, Garcia and a bunch of young kids from one of the top 10 farm systems in the Majors. Maybe they will find the next Pettitte replacement among names like Backman, Betances, Phelps, Banuelos, Warren, Noesi, Nova, and Bleich.

    • start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

      Soooo… you’re going to just go ahead and ignore history? Red Sox 3-5 is Beckett, Lackey, and Dice-K. Last year Beckett spent a decent amount of time on the DL (Funny how yanks fans tend to ignore that little tidbit) yet still can be an effect #2 starter, Lackey had a bad intro to the AL East but has a history of being a #2 starter as well, and Dice-K is at least a decent #3 starter on an average team so he makes a pretty good #5 starter.

      As for the yanks 3-5 we have Burnett, Nova, and Garcia. Burnett had a bad year last year, no injury to fall back on, big question mark there. Garcia, back end starter with a lot of recent injury history, big question mark. Nova, a rookie, always a question mark.

      Sorry, but right now the yanks rotations really have more question marks and less potential.

      • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

        Let me get this out the way. THE RED SOX HAVE A BETTER PITCHING STAFF.

        However, might I interject something to contemplate?

        a) No one should expect Buchholz to be any where near what he was last year.
        2.33 ERA vs a 3.61 FIP. A 6.22 K/9 and a 3.47 B/9 and 79% LOB and a near lge leading .261 BaBIP. Luck or skill?

        b) Beckett’s injury was a random one due to a floul ball, or HBP or sore hammy. It was his back and those injuries don’t go away easily. He has missed games in 2008 (15 day DL), 2009 (5 days) and 2010 (15 day and 60 day DL) due to his back as well as other DL stints over the last 3 years due to a right elbow injury and a neck injury.

        Also, w/ regards to his peripherals, he’s seen 3 consecutive years of a declining K/9, FIP and FB velocity (even though it’s still good @ 93 mph). His B/9, HR/9 and HR/FB rate have all increased for 3 straight years as well.

        Yes blame his decline on injuries but seeing as how those injuries seem to be of the chronic nature I’m not sure how anyone can not say, that at best, Beckett is an unknown quantity for 2011.

        c) Dice-K -Complete mystery for 2011. Bad injury history (212 IP over the last 2 years), FIP around 4.50-4.75 over last 2 years and a B/9 always around 4.5-5 and a declining GB % three years in a row.

        d) Lackey. Who know’s? Is he 1st half Lackey or 2nd half Lackey? Completely flukey.

        No monthly FIP avail.

        April/March- 4.50 ERA vs .344 BaBIP
        May- 5.17 ERA vs .280 BaBIP
        June-3.86 ERA vs .383 BaBIP
        July-3.67 ERA vs .275 BaBIP
        August-5.75 ERA vs .385 BaBIP
        Sept/Oct- 3.46 ERA vs .273 BaBIP

        Ouside of Lester, I don’t think there’s anyone on their staff that’s issue free.

        So I absolutely give the Sox the thumbs up and the Yanks have wayyyyy more question marks, but pardon me if we don’t just hand over the AL East title to them yet.

      • I am agreeing that on paper the Red Sox rotation looks better and has less question marks, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t question marks or potentially more question marks down the road.

        Beckett had injuries… yes I noticed that. But I also noticed that a healthy Beckett has struggled just as much against the Yankees in recent years as a banged up Beckett. Outside of the 2003 World Series, the Yankees hitters have pretty much owned Josh Beckett, especially in recent years.

        You are quick to defend Beckett because of injury problems but then you write off Garcia because he is injury prone. Oxymoronic logic from what I can see.Lackey has shown a decline in numbers since 2007 and struggled with injuries in both 2008 and 2009. So are you going to defend him because of injuries or condemn him because of injuries. I’m sure if he played for the Yankees you wouldn’t give him any benefit of the doubt.

        Burnett didn’t have a physical injury but was going through a nasty divorce. Sometimes the mental aspect of ones life can interfere with the mental aspect of the game. There is just as much a chance that Burnett bounces back with his ex-wife in his rearview as there is Beckett bouncing back from injury and living up to the huge extension that Epstein gave him.

  59. Because no one has mentioned it….I will miss Andy Pettitte pitching because it is so much fun to watch people steal home.

  60. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    This just in..

    Andy used retirement as an excuse to let down the Yankees easily, he gave them the old

    “its not you.. its me”

    When it actuality, there is someone else… Andy has been spotted around town, holding hands and kissing various players on the Philadelphia Phillies (source:TMZ) Wearing a low hat with sunglasses and a mustache so that he was not identified while at a popular restaurant in Philadelphia’s downtown core..

    Anonymous wait staff at the restaurant said they over heard Andy laughing about pretending to retire.. then asking Cliff Lee to pick up the check because he took less guaranteed money to join the Phils

    • rzepczynski 4 years ago

      Brutal attempt at a joke

      • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

        You have nothing better to do than to follow me around for a chance to Zing! me

        I actually, sincerely feel sorry for you

      • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

        PS.. please don’t tell me next that you are going drive down from the suburbs to put a ‘cap’ in me

        • rzepczynski 4 years ago

          sorry I won’t ever view blue jays or major headlines so I do not “follow you” and … sorry but that was a brutal attempt at a joke…

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            yet you scroll through 5 pages and don’t make one comment, but then zone in on mine..

            Its okay, you can admit it.. I don’t swing that way, but I’m very flattered to have a fan boy

          • vonhayesdays 4 years ago

            maybe its your witty banter and winning personality that make him follow you around

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            I love you too, man

          • I think that AA said those exact words to Tony Reagins, and probably will every year until at least 2014

  61. regardless of the hgh scandel andy had a great career he was a fan favorite obvously im not the only one who’s sad to seem him go.

  62. Good. I’m glad he’s retiring, just because it screws the Yanks. All that money and a joke of a rotation LMAO!!! If I’m a club that has pitching to deal, I’m on the phone with them now, offering lopsided trades…

    • bomberj11 4 years ago

      Wow what a respectful, and thoughtful comment.

      • The Yanks, Red Sox, and Phils deserve no respect, as they are all evil-empires IMO. The Yanks in particular are a joke, considering they have the highest payroll of all, yet their rotation is complete garbage after CC.

        Hey Yanks, Kenshin Kawakami is available. He has a 2.00 ERA in 5 career starts against the AL East! We know you have the money, w/o a clue of how to spend it…

        • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

          if you’re this bitter now, imagine sunday night when the packers are getting plowed

          • LOL what a simpleton. That’s UGA’s logo, not Green Bay’s! You sir = FAIL

          • Slopeboy 4 years ago

            You’re from Georgia and most likely a Braves fan. That explains your feelings of repressed inferiority and angst.

          • Actually I’m proud of what the Braves accomplished last season. We were without our starting 3b, 2b, and closer, yet made it to the postseason. It’s impressive to make it that far, let alone make a series of it with those losses. You Yanks spend the most money of anyone and still can’t get it done. (Insert excuse here, and by excuse, I mean attack the poster of the comment, because you in fact have no excuse, and know it’s true)

        • Really, they dont know how to spend it? Maybe you should take a look back about 3 years ago and look at the free agents they signed! So according to you, spending money, that an organization has an ample amount of, on the 3 top free agents on the market and arguably dominated in the season and winning the World Series the following year doesn’t demonstrate how to spend money when you have it? Change your diaper and grow up you baby!

          • Want some cheese with that whine?

            Congrats…you have 1 WS title in the past 10 years, yet you’ve had the highest payroll for how long? Yeah, thats what I thought, shut your mouth. What’s more is that the loser Yanks only have 3 WS appearances in the past 10 years. So yeah, they don’t know how to spend it, because anyone with their resources has no reason not to win every year.

          • Yankees have 3 WS appearances in 10 years and one win, Braves have how many? That’s right zero! And in fact the Braves have only made it to the NLCS 1 time in the past 10 years, Yankees have in fact made it to the ALCS 6 times in 10 years. And even if the Yankees by far and away have the highest payroll in the MLB, they still have shown better results than the Braves have in the 10 years you are basing your info off of! It’s ok to be jealous.

  63. mozelpuffski 4 years ago

    Hats off to Andy for a strong career – not HOF imo – but solid nonetheless. Wish more players took the road of humility and admitted there wrong doings. Wether it was just injury recovery or not, doesn’t change the fact he was legitimately apologetic. Hats off Andy; NYY just lost a class act.

  64. While it may have helped their pitching depth, did Teh Yankees really need another player to make them collectively even older than they already are?

  65. VegasANGELSFan 4 years ago

    Now that Pettitte has retired, the average time length of baseball games around the league will be quite a bit shorter. The Commissioner should be happy about that.

  66. mozelpuffski 4 years ago

    jays fan here: as for bumnett – ppl also don’t indicate that he went/going through a very ugly divorce – not that it would impact ones mental state…

  67. “Herp Derp Steriods”- Typical non Yankee fan.

    For the record I HATE HATE HATE the Yankees and they have plenty of players who are deserving of scorn, hate, cheap shots, wise cracks etc.

    Andy Pettite is not one of them.

    Class act all the way.

  68. vonhayesdays 4 years ago

    I think andy still finds his way into HOF , Opinions ?

    • Fangaffes 4 years ago

      First ballot. After all, he was clean as a whistle in an era of … oh … wait … never mind.

      • vonhayesdays 4 years ago

        No way is he first ballot , im thinking more like goose gossage territory

    • mlbtrRedSox 4 years ago

      I don’t think he makes it. His numbers, which are what most people look at, just aren’t enough. If he had reached 300 Ws, then I would say yes. He is a model of consistency, but not greatness.

      • vonhayesdays 4 years ago

        i think the 19 post season wins and the rings might make up for lack of regular season wins , but i dont have a vote but no way would he end up in there first ballot he would have to wait and sweat it out like there making all of these great players from the late 80’s era

    • Guest 4 years ago

      No, he is in the Hall of the very good. He would have needed to pad his stats for another 2 years (275 wins or so) plus maybe another strong post season to have cemented it. I think the whole PED will derail his very good numbers anyway.

  69. I Really Hope So, He Deserve It

  70. bomberj11 4 years ago

    Even as a Sox fan, I have to say, classy guy, and great career.

  71. jasonsmason 4 years ago

    Thanks for everything Andy! Even if you admitted to hgh you were a good and sometimes stereotypical american role model. You made your mistake and came back clean to win us another championship. Every one deserves a second chance and you proved worthy. You shut the smarter baseball fans up, but after reading some of these comments I see you still have to work on the rest. Thanks for even making that texas team relevant again as well.

  72. El_Bobo 4 years ago

    I read this as Utley “humps” lefties.

  73. Wrek305 4 years ago

    One I don’t blame him for not wanting to work with Larry Rothschild. 2. 4th place finish for the yankees .. very lucky if they finish 3rd

    • Guest 4 years ago


      • Wrek305 4 years ago

        They won’t win the division… that’s a doesn’t help them that actually hired the worst pitching coach in all of baseball and i mean all as in from little league to HS to College to the Minors and finally the ML.

        • Guest 4 years ago

          Its February. Last year the Yankees were picked not better then 2nd by most, 3rd place by others. Sox were the lock to win the division for many because of their pitching staff and defense.

    • 4th place? What the hell are you smoking man?

  74. Since_77 4 years ago

    Joba here is your chance!

  75. 0vercast 4 years ago

    I’m just glad the Twins will never have to face this guy again in the playoffs.

  76. HerbertAnchovy 4 years ago

    Never was a Yankees fan, but I always liked Pettitte and had respect for him. It’s nice he’s going out on his terms, instead of being forced to retire later.

  77. Good for andy, he had a great career, is a borderline HOF, and a you could tell he was a good guy. Unfortunately, this news kills the yankees rotation. With 3 question marks, they will need career years from Hughes and CC, or they will need the next 3 SP’s to pitch significantly better then expected. AJ needs to get back to where he was for most of his career, Nova needs to be huge, and whoever is the 5 starter needs to be great for this team to get to the playoffs.

    everyone else

    • Wrek305 4 years ago

      you can have Zambrano we don’t need anything in return.. we will give you Z and his entire salary that remains..

  78. Well this certainly makes the Wild Card race a lot more interesting. Rays are, without question, right there with the Yankees. Blue Jays may be strong competition as well. Heck, depending on how much the AL East cannibalizes itself, there may even be room for an AL Central team to sneak in there for once.

    • Guest 4 years ago

      Good observations. I am a Yankees fan & I am hoping all that some of those “big time” farm arms can match their reps in the majors by the All Star break.

  79. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    Mitre isn’t our #5 starter.

    • danthebaseballman 4 years ago

      No, Nova is because Garcia should be in the 4th spot

  80. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    Ummmm……does it pain you to know that even w/ a “weak” rotation the Yanks still have a better chance of making the playoffs than the Braves? Does it pain you that despite having the BEST rotation in baseball year after year after year that the Braves only ended up with just 1 WS ring? Does it irk you that the Yanks are sitting on millions waiting to be spent, a great farm with 7 pitching prospects @ AA or higher and are 1 pitcher away from being a likely 95 win team?

    I don’t usually like to brag about those things because it’s rather snobbish but you seem so irate right now. It use to be that at LEAST you had the comfort of knowing that despite not winning a WS title that you had at least the right to brag about having the best rotation in the NL. I guess with the way the Phillies and Giants have progressed it stings not even having THAT to puff your chest out about.

    Win something meanigful and then I’ll take your “boo hoo yanks fans” comment a bit more seriously.

    “Atlanta Braves….been kissing their sister since 1995″.

  81. MaineluvstheSox 4 years ago

    Cheating, steroids, HOF, classy, whatever. You guys get on your soapbox and figure it out. Meanwhile, I’m glad the Sox don’t have to deal with him anymore.

  82. I hope the orioles win the division.

  83. Without making the postseason, my apologies.

  84. soxfan0928 4 years ago

    Can’t beleive they removed my comment

  85. sf55forlife 4 years ago

    skewing of numbers? Like how Babe Ruth never played against hispanic or african american players? Put an asterisk up there.

    What is that concoction there? Is that gatorade? EDGE!!!

  86. We’ll be fine. Burnett can’t be any worse than he was last year, Nova will be okay, and I wont be suprised if Cash pulls out a trade for a good starter. And if not Garcia will be fine.

    Our offense will be strong and we have plenty of depth in case of injuries. Plus, our bullpen will be the best in the bigs.

    If we dont win the division, wild card for sure.

  87. SierraM363 4 years ago

    I will always remember Pettitte for proving the healing capabilities of HGH. Truly an inspiration for medical science.

  88. Guest 4 years ago

    From sawx perspective glad he’s gone. I tip my hat to him. Great athelete and obviously a great teammate. He was a thorn in our side for years. Hopefully he’s gone for good this time.

  89. Andy is one of the great Yankees of recent times, definitely going to miss him taking the mound every 5th day.

  90. Lanidrac 4 years ago

    Woohoo! No Yankees in the playoffs this year!

  91. TartanElk 4 years ago

    There’s a Tigers blog I read that always refers to C.C. as “Captain Cheeseburger.” So that’s the story behind that one.

    Prior to my reading that blog however, I have called Prince Fielder “Cheeseburger Fielder” for a few years now. The joke was, in Busch Stadium, they have Big Mac land. Hit a home run there get a free Big Mac. So my friends and I would joke that Prince would hit it there every time he was in St. Louis and cash in at McDonald’s the next day.

  92. flickadave 4 years ago

    Nah. They are probably looking at porn.

  93. deere5800 4 years ago

    I thought he wanted the band Rush for president, which I would fully support except for the fact they’re Canadian

  94. East Coast Bias 4 years ago

    There is an underlying irony in all this. Supporting Rush, who was busted for illegally obtaining prescription drugs. Ha!

  95. deere5800 4 years ago

    Yes we are

  96. jaryl612 4 years ago

    Is Canadia in the Mid-East?

  97. Rob NY 4 years ago

    HGH wasn’t on the banned substances list at the time.

  98. Guest 4 years ago

    Huh?? I thought I watched the Yanks and Rangers play for the AL Championship last year. I suppose I understand your point being division winners however.

  99. Ironically, isn’t Fielder a vegetarian?

  100. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

    you were wrong. It was actually the Indians and Mariners at the ALCS.
    stop. being. dense.

  101. flickadave 4 years ago

    Then, once again, logically that makes the Rangers the team to beat.

  102. Ben_Cherington 4 years ago

    Everyone cheats in baseball! It is part of the game…stealing signs still goes on, that is cheating! Any edge you can get, you take it. ARod saying “I got it” in Toronto I believe, is a form of cheating…but it helped his team win the game.

    My point is there is no way to get cheating out of baseball. I kind of like it (other than PED) which skew historic numbers. But if you want to call out all of the cheaters, it would be every player in baseball in some form or another.

  103. MB923 4 years ago

    I agree if anyone said that they are stupid too, just that I don’t remember any Yankee fans (non-troll fans) saying Hughes is the next Clemens.

  104. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    Theres a difference between competitive advantage, ie stealing signs or faking getting hit by a pitch then outright cheated.. not to mention the health implications of steroid use.. stealing a baseball sign isn’t illegal, taking performance enhancing drugs, is.

    So you can’t just clump them all together.

  105. GoAwayNow 4 years ago

    I think I am in the vast minority here… but I dont mind the PED use. We pay these men ridiculous amounts of money to be monsters at their sport. If they want to sacrifice their health for an edge I personally have no issue.

    I became a baseball fan during the steroid era. I was enthralled with Mark and Sammy’s homerun chase. I loved watching Clemens pitch. (I always thought Bonds was a dirtbag but he was amazing to watch).I wonder how many millions of people like me got hooked from this period.

    Everyone calls for their heads now but all I remember are the cheers back then.

  106. Ben_Cherington 4 years ago

    I understand, I was just making a point that all players and managers cheat in one way or another. I am completly against PEDs, I wouldnt mind if they were caught that they would be banned from baseball. anyways if you want to see some pretty cool stories of cheating players…google: baseball players who cheated (gaylord perrys story is awesome!)

  107. sf55forlife 4 years ago

    the health implications are only for the user though. Why should anyone be able to tell me what I can do with my body? If I want to take a drug that makes me stronger now but makes my body weaker later why can’t I do it? Laws that protect people from themselves limit freedom. The government should not control what I do with my body.

  108. start_wearing_purple 4 years ago

    Just remember you can win any argument in your mind when you make an argument with only your opinion as data.

  109. Why did this happen? Because it did. Roll the bones. Guess the Yanks just need to stick it out with Garcia and Colon and Nova and Tom Sawyer in their rotation…

  110. Gotta love selective arguing.

  111. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    I was making a point that a dui was one of those things that might make someone look like a problem (dui, drug testfailure, spousal abuse, bar fights, etc). One dui shows bad decision making but not neccesarily makes you a bad person as opposed to 2 or 3 or more dui’s. Obviously, if that one dui injures someone then they need to pay the penalty regardless of whether or not the person is “good” or “bad”.

    The reason I made that difference was because years ago when I traveled a lot for business purposes, I was driving late at night (3 or 4 am) and I fell alseep behind the wheel. I probably should’ve shown better judgement and pulled over at a hotel but I thought I could make it. 2 miles away from my destination I fell asleep and veered across 3 lanes and crashed into one of those rails. I wasn’t hurt, no one else was hurt and my car suffered some major damage. Because it happened and I could’ve have prevented it (by not driving that late) I was responsible for it. However, I wasn’t a “bad” person. I DO know that had I hurt someone else, let alone caused a death, then there’s no way I could’ve lived with that and would’ve had to deal with whatever I had to deal with legally.

    So while society sees a difference between a dui and being sleepy, I was just saying that “one” incident doesn’t show a person’s true charachter as opposed to a 2nd or more incident. It’s just a bad choice that may or may not play out horribly. IF IT DOES hurt someone, then the punishment should be the same but I think you get my point.

    Now Mell Hall…..there’s a rat b@st@rd.

  112. alxn 4 years ago

    it was ILLEGAL

  113. Rec’ed for RBI DP reference…


  114. vinnieg 4 years ago

    how is he wrong? tell me a team in the AL you honestly think is better than the yankees?

  115. Ben_Cherington 4 years ago

    You can laugh all you want but you do realize that baseball is a game, and people cheat all the time to get an advantage. Some of the ways they try to gain an advantage are humorous. K

  116. Infield Fly 4 years ago

    Yes. However some have a disproportionate amount, which is the reason for my post.

  117. rushforpresident 4 years ago

    The difference is this: Multi-vitamins and stealing signs and yelling “I got it” is gaining an unfair advantage. But which one of those methods is going to allow you to hit 73 home runs?

  118. Ben_Cherington 4 years ago

    right, however I was just making a point. Thats why I am 100% against PEDs

  119. BoSoxSam 4 years ago

    Sounds like you’re being just as premature, assuming the Yanks have got this one in the bag just because they won something last year. And before you try to tell me that’s not what you said, I’ll just quote from your original post really quick:

    “Yankee’s are still the team to beat.”

    And while you have some valid points — that your farm system is stronger and nobody can truly predict things in the offseason, you invalidate all of that by then predicting the Yanks will be champs again. If you had to make any predictions, its pretty clear that the Red Sox are -projected- to be the better team. If you don’t believe in predictions fine, but don’t throw out your own silly predictions out as truth then.

  120. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    if it were you’d be charging us for having nuclear weapons to get to our oil

  121. Ben_Cherington 4 years ago

    no no no dont make it seem as if Im contradicting myself. As a matter of fact here is what I said:

    “By no means am I saying its ok, but if you dont like cheating you need another sport!”

    Not taking up with Pettitte at all, jsut saying if you get that bent out of shape over cheating and want to trash a pretty classy guy then dont single him out…almost everyone else cheats as well and I listed a couple of examples. Im not saying he should be forgivin but a lot of times people want to bash certain guys for something they did regardless of what the crime was, when almost everyone else does “busch league” things as well.

    Does that make more sense now?

  122. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    FYI :They didn’t fully own the franchise until 2004

  123. Muggi 4 years ago

    Utley thumps lefties just fine.

  124. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    Roy Halladay bats RH

  125. MB923 4 years ago

    Theo doesn’t have much luck with that either. 5 of the 9 Red Sox hitters are left handed. 4 of the 8 (not including pitcher of course) of the Phillies are left handed.

  126. eneff 4 years ago

    You’re one to talk… Apparently Manny Ramirez is your role model.

  127. deere5800 4 years ago

    It is fairly high. Put yourself in his shoes, assuming he told the truth. Here’s a guy who used HGH only to recover from an injury, and admitted to his misgivings when he quite likely knows dozens of other players who abused and used steroids and HGH far more than he did. In my book, that’s pretty classy, especially when compared to how other players handled similar situations. And the original point was that if he considers Petitte an awful cheater, then he shouldn’t like a lot of guys from that era. Having said that, I can’t believe I’m defending a Yankee, it just feels wrong, lol.

  128. mozelpuffski 4 years ago

    thats a little generous….

  129. Rob NY 4 years ago

    It can’t be cheating if it isn’t against the rules. BTW is that Manny Ramirez in your avatar? Throwing an awful lot of stones from your glass house.

  130. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    thats what she said

  131. Fangaffes 4 years ago

    But somehow you “remember” Sox fans saying Lars was the next Pujols?

  132. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    disqus fail

  133. Jason Klinger 4 years ago

    Wha…? He gave you actual metrics, not opinions.

  134. Motor_City_Bombshell 4 years ago

    Their rotation is based on a lot of “ifs”. It could be solid, but it could also be pretty bad.

  135. El_Bobo 4 years ago

    Two, the Rangers and the Rays are both better. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the lost the division to the Rays and lost in the ALCS to the Rangers

  136. Ben_Cherington 4 years ago

    Man they were fun to watch! I do however feel that PEDs should be banned. The reason being, is that baseball is a game based on numbers and history! When there is a certain edge that makes a player way better than they should ever perform it skews all their numebers. 100 yrs from now will ppl say bonds was better than the babe or hank? I sure hope not but by looking at the numbers they might, and that bothers me! I do however undertand where you are coming from though

  137. Rob NY 4 years ago

    Totally agree. Where does it end with this “Integrity of the game” bs? Should no advances in equipment be allowed because Hammerin’ Hank or Babe Ruth didn’t have them? It seems like so much nonsense morality and arbitrary line drawing.

  138. top_prospect_aw 4 years ago

    Although Steroids is illegal, HGH is not illegal and rather easily obtained in the United States. While they’ve seen tumor development in some cases over prolonged periods, long-term studies are larely inconclusive. For the purposes of healing from injury, I think it’s more than legitimate to speed the process; especially with the stress on other body parts and risk of infection when exposed to outside elements can cause more damage than the hormones themselves. I’m not promoting HGH by any means but, it’s easy to judge from the media what’s bad for us without really knowing the facts of its benefits.

  139. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    I’m willing to be you have no idea at all about Andy or his wife’s relationship. Not saying he didn’t cheat on his wife. But in a media capital like NY with sensationalized papers like the Post, Nesday and Daily News that have pages dedicated to calebrity news/gossip I would be shocked NOT to hear a peep about it over and over and over again. I would say there probably was nothing to those rumors and that Pettitte wouldn’t have been back to NY for the past 3 or 4 years if that were really the case.

  140. Lunchbox45 4 years ago

    “because the only way to defend pettitte’s honor is to try to dishonor everybody else”

    worst argument anyone can ever make right there

  141. Rob NY 4 years ago

    Actually my argument was “He didn’t cheat. He didn’t do anything against the rules.” The fact that you have a guy you should call a cheater as your avatar only serves to point out some hypocrisy.

  142. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    You brought your “A” game today. You seem to get up for the big games. Like Robert Horry in the playoffs.

  143. TheWeedInLincecum 4 years ago

    Just so you know in the past couple years there have been hundreds of studies and reviews of HGH and its effect on the human body. My doctor along with thousands around the world fully back up the results so far in its attempt to heal the body faster. I was talking to a trainer from Uconn recently who said that because of its misconceptions as being associated with steroids, people have a conservatively based idea of its effect on the human body, and further research on what many consider a “miracle drug” has been halted due to it. If I find out a player took HGH, I’ll loose no respect for them but if they take PED’s I wish the worst for them

    Let me note if I looked back far enough at your comments I’m sure I’ll see something along the lines of players “not earning” their paycheck from either being injured and on the DL or not playing well enough (more than likely due to nagging injuries).. yet you look down upon those who make the attempt to do the right thing and help out the team that payed them 8+ figures.

    It may seem I’m yelling at you but in reality its something that has aggravated for quite a while. If you were in their shoes, I really hope you would do the same thing.

  144. LOL sour that I’m not a fan of a team that ourspends other clubs by 10s if not 100s of millions and still has that garbage rotation? Yeah, that’s the paragon of jealousy. Your rotation sucks, just deal with it.
    And if you’re the highest paid team, what’s your excuse for not winning it all every season? Unlimited resources and still can’t get it done? Unlimited resources and that joke of a rotation? There’s just no excuse. Boo hoo, Yanks fans.

  145. MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

    The thing is, these guys don’t admit to anything until it starts to come out on its own. Pettitte didn’t admit anything until the Mitchell Report. Look at A-Rod, he never did anything to shake his “clean” perception until his name was leaked. I mean, is it really all that admirable, or are they just not as dumb as Clemens and know fighting it won’t do any good?

  146. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago


  147. I’m lovin how all you prickly Yanks fans come here defending your team. With that rotation, you don’t have a prayer. One would think the team with the highest payroll would have a formidable and fearsome rotation, but the Red Sox and Rays are lickin their chops right now. Better get started overpaying on a trade for another washed up pitcher/signing a starter from the garbage heap. Freddy Garcia? Bartolo Colon? Possibly Kevin Millwood? LMAO I thought I was readin Pirates/Royals rumors when those stories came across!

  148. eneff 4 years ago

    Really? Could have fooled me… Maybe I just assumed that since he just hit a home run and he was pimpin it and someone took a picture of it that he was the subject of the picture.

  149. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

    disqus used to fail all the frigging time when i used internet explorer
    it never fails on my firefox.

  150. LOL dude you OWNED those yankee fans.

    You wanna grab some natty ices later?

  151. Guest 4 years ago

    Dude you are so right. Its like February. The Yankees have no chance d-u-d-e. No flippin chance at all MAN!!!!

  152. And yet with that rotation, I’m willing to bet that the Yanks can still win against more than half the teams in baseball including your precious Braves.

  153. The_Silver_Stacker 4 years ago

    Your last comment is crazy. Pretty much anyone that made a mistake in their life is “not classy” anymore.

  154. You payin? =P

  155. alxn 4 years ago

    It is illegal to have HGH unless you have a prescription for it. HGH is meant to be used as a supplement for people who have hormone deficiencies, not athletes recovering from injuries. Pettite’s use of HGH was illegal.

  156. eneff 4 years ago

    You took a photography class in third grade? It may not imply that he’s your role model, but it does imply that you like him. Also, borrowing your logic, getting on a thread and defending a player we like does not mean he’s our hero. But, just for fun, let’s compare the two players. Pettitte got busted and he owned up to it and apologized for it. Manny got busted and said, “My doctor prescribed it to me for a personal health issue.” So you can understand why I find it difficult to understand why someone who is a fan of Manny Ramirez is on a thread saying Andy Pettitte is a liar and without class.

  157. Rob NY 4 years ago

    Well hypocrisy is where you say one thing and do something else. Here’s what’s hypocritical “bro” is that you’re supporting a player who did steroids. Then coming onto a retirement thread and bad mouthing a guy who took HGH because he wasn’t on the team you root for.

  158. slider32 4 years ago

    That’s true, but the players are dammed if they do and dammed if they don’t. Only the players that have a chance for the hall are affected. No one cares about the rest of the players. Bottom line is that with the Mitchell report only about 10% of the players on steroids came out. It was a witch hunt. In the steriod era only about 10 to 20% of the users are known. Then you have the 90% of the players who took amphetamines, to me its the same as steriods. Players in all sports have been using performance inhancers for 50 years. I say get over it, and let the players in the hall for their performance regardless the use of performance enhancers. You really can’t tell how many hall of famers used inhancement drugs. Players like Mike Schmitt admitted to using amphetamines and he’s in the hall.

  159. MB923 4 years ago

    Lars was called up this past September, not too hard to remember. Hughes was called up 4 years ago so it’s kind of difficult to remember. As far as remembering Paps was the next Mo? Simple, 1- ESPN article after they won the 2007 WS (can’t post it though), 2- Red Sox fans commenting everywhere on it.

    I laughed and said have him pitch another 10 years or so before you compared him to Rivera. Now 3 years later, they don’t even want him anymore.

  160. eneff 4 years ago

    Ok guy… whatever you say… I have to admit your insults along the way made me laugh… yeah I watched a lot of reading rainbow until I got drafted

  161. Bring it.

  162. You asked me out, remember? It’s common etiquette!

  163. Even if the Yankees have the highest payroll, its baseball, anything can happen such as injuries, ineffectiveness, and even occurrences that have nothing to do with baseball that might just affect the game. Again that’s my explanation, and in fact that’s an explanation that can be used for all scenarios whether it is any team that is talented or not talented, payroll above 100 or so million or below 100 million. And in fact I’ll use the 2008 Rays as an example, going into 2008 not a lot of people thought they were going to compete but look what happened, they made it to the world series despite having one of the lowest payrolls in baseball, pretty good for an extreme underdog. But what I’m trying to say is, its baseball, anything can happen and like you said, Yanks are certainly expected to produce but don’t forget, that’s just what’s expected and what’s expected doesnโ€™t mean that it’s going to happen, anything can happen on the field as stated as an example above with the Rays. And as you stated, yes I am happy that even if the Yankees donโ€™t win every year at least they came within 2 wins of making it to the World Series (circa 2010) and know that they are better than 12 other teams. And a couple posts down I read that you were proud of the accomplishments the Braves have had despite injuries and despite making the postseason, wouldn’t you be proud if the Braves made it to the NLCS? Based on what I have read from you, you should if not your logic is a little out of place. And again I’ll sum up my point, its baseball anything can happen!

  164. Its on Brotha, lol :p

  165. If only the Yanks and Braves played a series together this season in interleague then it would be on! :/

  166. vinnieg 4 years ago

    deuce to crawford, pena, soriano, balfour, garza, barlett. the 2011 yankees are better than the rays.

  167. deere5800 4 years ago

    Because throughout the rest of his public life he’s be a respectful and honet person. He did steroids like hundreds of other ball players. It wasn’t the right thing to do but honest people get caught up in dishonest situations all the time. That doesn’t make him awful and gives me the impression that he was honest and sincere. We’ll obviously never know for sure because none of us know him that well. But there are hundreds of players as bad or worse than him, but for some reason Petitte gets crucified while others get of scot free.

  168. raullll 4 years ago

    So what your saying is that he lied? tell me what you think happened?

  169. MaineSox 4 years ago

    Where’d he go?

  170. MaineSox 4 years ago

    Same here (now that they fixed the like button that is)

  171. deere5800 4 years ago

    “A class act who cheated at baseball? Nice standards Osc. I’m glad to see the cheating yankee go. Good riddance. ”
    It was more in response to that comment, along with a number of others in this comment section. Seems there’s a lot of hate for him. Maybe not cruicified but there seems to be a lot of undue disdain.

  172. Fangaffes 4 years ago

    Trust me. No one was calling Lars the next Pujols last fall. People were wondering whether he would ever even be a starter in the majors. Rizzo had already blown past Lars in value by then.

    As for Papelbon, he turned out to be the next Dick Radatz (almost). Three great years and done. There has never been anyone quite like Rivera. Eckersley would probably have been the closest if he hadn’t spent half of his career as a starter. Hell, he might be the closest anyway.

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