Poll: Manny Ramirez & The Hall Of Fame

It was quite a shock when Major League Baseball abruptly announced the retirement of Manny Ramirez yesterday, and by now you know the circumstances of his decision. Manny tested positive for a banned substance and instead of going through the appeal and suspension processes, he called it quits. It was his second positive test, so he would have faced a 100-game suspension.

Ramirez’s career started in 1993, though he wasn’t a full-time player until 1995. He’s a .312/.411/.585 career hitter with 555 homers and 1,831 RBI. His six-year peak from 1999-2004 (ages 27-32) featured a .327/.428/.633 batting line and a 168 OPS+. Although he never won an MVP, Manny has four top-four finishes in the voting and nine top-ten finishes. He was a 12-time All-Star, a two-time Hank Aaron Award winner (given to the top hitter in the league as voted on by the fans), and the MVP of the 2004 World Series. 

As a player, Ramiez’s Hall of Fame credentials are undeniable. He was no worse than one of the five best hitters of his generation, having enough of an impact with the bat to negate his poor defense. But he’s also the only big leaguer to ever test positive for banned substances on two occasions, putting some of his accomplishments in question. We have to look no further than Mark McGwire to see how the Hall of Fame voters feel about banned substances, but what about you?


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100 Comments on "Poll: Manny Ramirez & The Hall Of Fame"


Guest
4 years 2 months ago

It’s not “allowed” — he hasn’t been banned from baseball which would prevent his enshrinement. But he would never get enough votes from those with that power. If McGwire gets 15-25% of the vote, Manny will likely get 10-15%. But allowed? Why not?

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4 years 2 months ago

Agree. He should be allowed. I would vote for him, but I believe many others would not. I understand their reasoning, but I don’t agree with them. As far as I’m concerned, everyone in the late 90s is implicated somewhat. Baseball didn’t have a steroid policy at the time, so they’re all technically innocent. I can only compare what Manny (and others) did to what others were doing in the game at the time. In a league of steroid users, Manny was one of the best and deserving of the HOF.

Guest
4 years 2 months ago

Ya, but the big problem is that Manny got caught using something again…in the post-steroid era. That is not going to sit well with the voters.

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Whitey14
4 years 2 months ago

You don’t need to have a Steroid policy when you have a policy that bans all illegal drug use, which baseball has had since the 80’s. Every one of the guys that used performance enhancing drugs is a cheater and it’s disturbing that so many people are willing to overlook that based on their numbers or their celebrity, or the fact that so many players did it. It’s called cheating. Stop making excuses for the guys who did and hold them accountable.

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onhavingpower
4 years 2 months ago

The HOF is important – it is the record of our game to baseball lovers of the future. It is the standard by which we measure greatness today and in years to come. I never saw Babe Ruth play but the HOF will make sure I know of his accomplishments. Those accomplishments were unique and rare. His drinking and smoking may affect what I think of hm as a moral character, but his stats tell me what he did to deserve my appreciation.
I saw all of Manny’s career. I watched him play as an Indian and as a Bosox. I followed his time in the NL and his attempt to extend his career this year. I know what he could do with his bat. I assumed he drank and smoked and had his own partying ways. Those things are comparable to the Babe.
I will not judge his moral character on the basis of PEDs that too many players were using.
But I will demand as a responsible fan who has a say, that his records must be qualified. The years of steroid use must also be part of the HOF record and those players who were considered great during those times must suffer that qualification. As players they may end up in the Hall but everyone in the future has the right to ask if those records can really be compared to Ruth and Aaron. Or to Bautista and future PED free stars whose careers are PED monitired.
No one will ever hit 70 HRs in a regular season again. Those records must go. They do not represent baseball’s greatest accomplishments. They represent PEDs greatest accomplishments. Those records must go to honor what players like Ruth, Mantle, and Aaron accomplished.
Manny has big numbers and of all the PED enhanced players he was one of the best. As a great player of his age he may have proven himself. But his age was polluted by PEDs and does not deserve to be compared to previous times and future times.
Someday (I hope in my lifetime) a player will hit 61 HRs and deserves to have their name beside Maris not behind Bonds.

BTW – Thanks for maintaining my favorite baseball website:)

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4 years 2 months ago

Responsible fan? That: is an oxymoron.

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johnsilver
4 years 2 months ago

Agree also, but for different reasons. When the current generation of “me 1st” players, writers and fans have a chance, people like McGuire, Ramirez, Bonds and Palmero will all make it and it is a real shame. there will be few to no standards as to regards to cheating anymore.

Where one time putting rubber balls in a bat was considered th ultimate “no-no” to get some extra power, now the people thought they could get away with tons of muscle and power and the worst thing is they know future voters will be thinking like minded and allow them.

I predict in 10, 15 years max 3 of them (maybe no Palmero) will be enshrined. I hope they build an out house to stick the trophies in at least.

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Rashomon
4 years 2 months ago

I agree, you should replace “allowed” with “inducted”

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grant77
4 years 2 months ago

Looking at those results, it makes me ashamed to be a baseball fan. Manny did the crime and did the time, it’s over with now. The guy is one of the best pure hitters in baseball history, roids or not. It’s going to be a huge black mark on baseball if some of the greatest players ever (Bonds, Manny, etc.) are not enshrined. Guys like Bonds didn’t even break a rule for god sakes, why not punish Selig?

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Redbirds16
4 years 2 months ago

I’m sorry that your pride in baseball rides so heavily on the opinion of your peers regarding whether or not to honor those who would cheat to excel in the sport.

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grant77
4 years 2 months ago

Here’s a question for you, I probably won’t get an honest answer. Lets say Manny retired before steroids were against the rules. He would not have cheated in any way, shape, or form and been one of 9 players in baseball history with a career OPS over 1.000 (easy hall of famer). Do you vote him in? You’re lying if you say no.

These last 4 years shouldn’t change that, especially when he actually played well.

Member
4 years 2 months ago

That is one of the better comments on this board

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bobraines
4 years 2 months ago

The fact is that PED’s don’t help eye-hand or baseball smarts. These guys- Bonds, McGuire, ManRam, and on and on- were good ball players. The PED’s allowed them to recover more quickly from injury, and probably last a few more years than they might have. Same could be said of year-round physical conditioning that the players in the 20’s, 30’s and 40’s couldn’t begin to use (and yes, I know year-round physical conditioning was never against baseball’s rules). Just like bennies in the ’70’s, PED’s was thought of as something you had to do to be competitive. So, yeah, I’d vote for Manny, and I’d vote for McGuire, and I’d vote for Bonds. The HOF isn’t a collection of saints, it’s a collection of men who played baseball far better than mere mortals. Those guys qualify.

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GoAwayNow
4 years 2 months ago

He’s quitting so he doesn’t have to do the time.

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jwsox
4 years 2 months ago

Really? Manny use roids got caught once and did his time yes but two years later he got chaught with a banned substance again( key word is again) and would have faced another punishment so he decided to quit. It’s hard now to call him one if the greatest when you have to wonder now if he ever was clean. He cheated plain and simple cheaters do not deserve to be in anyones hall of fame no matter how good they were. If manny some how makes it is after cheating at least twice. Then Pete rose needs to be un banned from baseball

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grant77
4 years 2 months ago

You are pretty damn naive if you think there aren’t dozens of guys in baseball who cheated at one time or another. Foreign substances, corked bats, bribing umpires, steroids, drugs, etc.

If the MLB doesn’t want roid users in the HOF then they should make it a rule that players are banished (like with betting). The fact is, Manny did the crime, and he did the time. It should have ZERO bearing on whether he goes in the HOF or not. Sure it’s unfortunate that they weren’t against the rules for so long, but they weren’t and that’s the end of it. Should we go get rid of everyone who threw the spitball in the HOF? It’s the same thing. You’re argument is so flawed it’s not even funny.

Guest
4 years 2 months ago

He won’t get inducted. I already know this. A lot of people already know this. I think he should. I’m 18 so I haven’t seen as much as a lot of people on this site probably have but he is the best pure hitter I have ever seen, steroids or not. I am from Boston and I HATE the Red Sox. There has not been a single more deadly hitter than Manny Ramirez the last decade. Not Pujols, not Hanley Ramirez, not A-rod. They might have better stats but if I had to pick one guy to get the job done no matter the situation it would be Manny. No questions asked. Cheating or not I have tremendous respect for the pure hitting ability Manny had. He is one of the best that ever played. That is why I think he should be inducted but like I said, he won’t.

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LongTimeFan1
4 years 2 months ago

Joe, I don’t see how it’s possible for you to know that anything you’ve seen of Manny, hasn’t been helped by steroids. The pure hitting you believe you’ve seen, may be totally steroid enhanced. The fact that Manny felt compelled to continue to cheat even after getting suspended for 50 games, goes to show how much he feels he needs to cheat to perform well.

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04Forever
4 years 2 months ago

Manny never had the personality and the dignity to join such a prestigious group as the HOF, he made enemies in the media by shunning them at every turn, and now his numbers are tainted. He deserves it less then most now.

Guest
4 years 2 months ago

It was never about personality and dignity, there are plenty of guys in the Hall of Fame with neither quality.
The fact of the matter is, to steal a line from “Outside Providence”, when everyone else (Bonds, Palmeiro, McGwire) did one, Manny did TWO. THAT is what is now going to keep him out of the Hall.

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Whitey14
4 years 2 months ago

Agreed! There are a lot of A Holes, Racists, Alcoholics and possibly even Murderers in the HOF.

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Pete
4 years 2 months ago

Ty Cobb is in the HOF and youre talking about dignity?

Member
4 years 2 months ago

but ty cobb somehow made his way in…

Member
4 years 2 months ago

The Hall of Fame could do worse than to post pertinent circumstances for each era, whether or not you call it a disclaimer. So while the numbers are what they are for the so-called PED era, you can argue that earlier numbers are skewed because of the introduction of the live ball after 1919, for instance, or perhaps even more significantly any number pre-1947 given that lily-white major league baseball didn’t play on a level playing field because of the color barrier.