Headlines

  • Dodgers Announce World Series Roster
  • Blue Jays Add Bo Bichette To World Series Roster
  • Brewers Promote Matt Arnold To President Of Baseball Operations
  • Giants Hire Tony Vitello As Manager
  • Kazuma Okamoto To Be Posted This Offseason
  • Angels Hire Kurt Suzuki As Manager
  • Previous
  • Next
Register
Login
  • Hoops Rumors
  • Pro Football Rumors
  • Pro Hockey Rumors

MLB Trade Rumors

Remove Ads
  • Home
  • Teams
    • AL East
      • Baltimore Orioles
      • Boston Red Sox
      • New York Yankees
      • Tampa Bay Rays
      • Toronto Blue Jays
    • AL Central
      • Chicago White Sox
      • Cleveland Guardians
      • Detroit Tigers
      • Kansas City Royals
      • Minnesota Twins
    • AL West
      • Athletics
      • Houston Astros
      • Los Angeles Angels
      • Seattle Mariners
      • Texas Rangers
    • NL East
      • Atlanta Braves
      • Miami Marlins
      • New York Mets
      • Philadelphia Phillies
      • Washington Nationals
    • NL Central
      • Chicago Cubs
      • Cincinnati Reds
      • Milwaukee Brewers
      • Pittsburgh Pirates
      • St. Louis Cardinals
    • NL West
      • Arizona Diamondbacks
      • Colorado Rockies
      • Los Angeles Dodgers
      • San Diego Padres
      • San Francisco Giants
  • About
    • MLB Trade Rumors
    • Tim Dierkes
    • Writing team
    • Advertise
    • Archives
  • Contact
  • Tools
    • 2025-26 MLB Free Agent List
    • 2026-27 MLB Free Agent List
    • Projected Arbitration Salaries For 2026
    • Contract Tracker
    • Transaction Tracker
    • Agency Database
  • NBA/NFL/NHL
    • Hoops Rumors
    • Pro Football Rumors
    • Pro Hockey Rumors
  • App
  • Chats
Go To Pro Hockey Rumors
Go To Hoops Rumors

What Can Be Done About Super Two?

By Tim Dierkes | June 14, 2011 at 12:22pm CDT

Super Two players go to arbitration four times instead of the normal three.  Every year, a group of players with more than two but less than three years of service time gets to go to arbitration for the first time and score millions, while many of their peers who miss the cutoff are still earning less than $500K.  The salaries build upon themselves, so it's not just a single season affected. 

The cutoff varies year to year – last year Brad Ziegler was a Super Two with two years and 122 days, but typically it's over 130 days.  CAA indicated in April that it could be 146 days for 2012.  It is determined by calculating the top 17% in total service of those with two to three years, assuming the players had at least 86 days in the previous season.  Usually if a team promotes a player in June or later he will not achieve Super Two status.

This has led to the cynical opinion of many observers that any decent prospect who makes his MLB debut in June or later is a victim of the Super Two numbers game.  That's not fair to teams, as there are often good developmental reasons to give a prospect more seasoning that might not show up in the box scores.  For example, Dave Cameron of FanGraphs demonstrates that the Mariners don't have Dustin Ackley in the minors because of Super Two.  And as Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos pointed out, most players are optioned at least once, changing the equation.  The problem is that we can only guess as to each team's motivations. 

Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus discusses the Super Two situation today, noting five players who could start next season in the minors for financial reasons.  He says that while "players and teams alike aren't especially fond of the system," giving it up entirely would be a major concession for the players' union.  An NL exec pointed out to Goldstein that you can't really eliminate the ability of teams to make service-time based decisions just by cutting out Super Two.  The same concerns would just arise in April, as teams would be accused of trying to keep a player just under a full year's service time to delay arbitration.  Of course, those concerns already exist in April as teams sometimes try to delay free agency by a year.

So there is something to be gained for teams and fans by eliminating Super Two, as service time debates would be limited to April.  The players would need some kind of concession to give up Super Two, as every year 15-20 of them earn extra hundreds of thousands or millions because of it (even if many are later non-tendered or signed to extensions).  I wonder whether the players would be open to a new proposal that benefits all young players, rather than just a small subset with the appropriate amount of service time.  For example, what if the minimum salary is raised a bit more than usual to compensate for the loss of Super Two?  Another possibility would be to drop the 17% qualifier to, say, 10%, creating fewer Super Two players by effectively pushing back the cutoff date.  Let's hear your ideas in the comments. 

Share Repost Send via email

Uncategorized

Maholm Open To Extension With Pirates
Main
Astros Notes: Arnsberg, Brocail, Wandy, Crane
View Comments (0)
Post a Comment

Leave a Reply Cancel reply

Please login to leave a reply.

Log in Register

    Top Stories

    Dodgers Announce World Series Roster

    Blue Jays Add Bo Bichette To World Series Roster

    Brewers Promote Matt Arnold To President Of Baseball Operations

    Giants Hire Tony Vitello As Manager

    Kazuma Okamoto To Be Posted This Offseason

    Angels Hire Kurt Suzuki As Manager

    Albert Pujols No Longer A Candidate In Angels’ Managerial Search

    Giants Close To Hiring Tony Vitello As Manager

    Latest On Tigers, Tarik Skubal

    Phillies Expected To Trade Or Release Nick Castellanos

    Nestor Cortes Undergoes Arm Surgery

    Aaron Judge Will Not Require Elbow Surgery; Rodón, Volpe Expected To Start 2026 On IL

    Anthony Volpe Undergoes Shoulder Surgery

    Alex Bregman Will Opt Out Of Red Sox Contract

    Mike Shildt Steps Down As Padres Manager

    Tigers Extended Manager A.J. Hinch Earlier This Season

    Munetaka Murakami To Be Posted This Offseason

    Cody Bellinger To Opt Out Of Contract With Yankees

    Angels, Albert Pujols Discussing Managerial Deal

    Projected Arbitration Salaries For 2026

    Recent

    Dombrowski: “Bryce Harper’s Not Getting Traded”

    John Morris Passes Away

    Kansas City’s Impressive Rotation Stockpile Is Ripe For A Trade

    Blue Jays Notes: Bichette, Bassitt, Mattingly

    Cubs Expected To Pursue Dylan Cease This Offseason

    Mariners Aiming For Roughly $166MM In “Starting Point” Payroll In 2026

    Offseason Outlook: New York Yankees

    Nationals Interview Brandon Hyde, Craig Albernaz

    Jason Varitek To Return To Red Sox Coaching Staff

    Angels Outright Four Players

    MLBTR Newsletter - Hot stove highlights in your inbox, five days a week

    Latest Rumors & News

    Latest Rumors & News

    • Every MLB Trade In July
    Trade Rumors App for iOS and Android App Store Google Play

    MLBTR Features

    MLBTR Features

    • Remove Ads, Support Our Writers
    • Front Office Originals
    • Tim Dierkes' MLB Mailbag
    • 2025-26 Offseason Outlook Series
    • MLBTR Podcast
    • 2025-26 MLB Free Agent List
    • 2026-27 MLB Free Agent List
    • Projected Arbitration Salaries For 2026
    • Contract Tracker
    • Transaction Tracker
    • Extension Tracker
    • Agency Database
    • MLBTR On Twitter
    • MLBTR On Facebook
    • Team Facebook Pages
    • How To Set Up Notifications For Breaking News
    • Hoops Rumors
    • Pro Football Rumors
    • Pro Hockey Rumors

    Rumors By Team

    • Angels Rumors
    • Astros Rumors
    • Athletics Rumors
    • Blue Jays Rumors
    • Braves Rumors
    • Brewers Rumors
    • Cardinals Rumors
    • Cubs Rumors
    • Diamondbacks Rumors
    • Dodgers Rumors
    • Giants Rumors
    • Guardians Rumors
    • Mariners Rumors
    • Marlins Rumors
    • Mets Rumors
    • Nationals Rumors
    • Orioles Rumors
    • Padres Rumors
    • Phillies Rumors
    • Pirates Rumors
    • Rangers Rumors
    • Rays Rumors
    • Red Sox Rumors
    • Reds Rumors
    • Rockies Rumors
    • Royals Rumors
    • Tigers Rumors
    • Twins Rumors
    • White Sox Rumors
    • Yankees Rumors

    Navigation

    • Sitemap
    • Archives
    • RSS/Twitter Feeds By Team

    MLBTR INFO

    • Advertise
    • About
    • Commenting Policy
    • Privacy Policy

    Connect

    • Contact Us
    • Twitter
    • Facebook
    • RSS Feed

    MLB Trade Rumors is not affiliated with Major League Baseball, MLB or MLB.com

    Do not Sell or Share My Personal Information

    hide arrows scroll to top

    Register

    Desktop Version | Switch To Mobile Version