“but the Phillies figure to be in the market for a veteran closer.”
Hopefully we are not throwing $10M+ and multiple years at our next closer. We are finally getting out from under the albatross that is Brad Lidge, lets learn from our mistakes.
moondog45
Foolish to pay big for a closer. Braves proved the best way is from within. Phillies will make a reasonable offer for Madson, offer arb and if someone overpays then thanks for the memories. They have choices in their system as well as Bastardo.
You want to talk about not working? Lets talk about Brad Lidge, Billy Wagner (NY Mets), Eric Gagne, K-rod, BJ Ryan, pretty much any highly paid closer besides the Sandman…
I would much rather take a chance in April on an internal option, and have the rest of the year to address the need if that internal option does not work out, rather than commit upwards of $20M, over multiple years, to a guy who gets hurt or is ineffective by the time July rolls around.
Kendall Adkins
The Cards kind of worked from within. I’d say we only have two effective relievers from outside of the system being Rzepcynski (sp?) and Dotel. I’d say next year the bullpen looks like Motte – closer, Sanchez, Salas, Boggs for setup guys, McClellan, Lynn, and Rzepcynski as middle relief/innings guys. That would not be a bad bullpen at all. Boggs would be the weakest link, and he’s been pretty decent this year.
omavricko
I don’t understand why they dobt use paplebon as a starter like I thought he was Originally planned to be.
I really hope Cincy decides to leave Chapman in the bullpen. I would hate to see them do to him what the Yankees did to Chamberlain.
imachainsaw
someone with his stuff would be a dominating starter. it always bothers the hell out of me when there’s a debate like this. it’s a risk/reward situation, but anyone with a good brain and sense of value will know that as a starter a pitcher will give you AT LEAST twice the value that a closer will.
I totally agree. This nonsense of closer’s menatlity is retarded. It’s 1 freaking inning. Does it matter if it’s the 7th, 8th, or 9th inning? Do the rules change to say you can’t lose a game in the 7th or 8th? Anyone that can be a good setup guy (pitch a solid inning by not walking people and getting outs) could just as easily close games. It’s just crazy to me that GMs/Managers don’t see this. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.
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Ryan
“but the Phillies figure to be in the market for a veteran closer.”
Hopefully we are not throwing $10M+ and multiple years at our next closer. We are finally getting out from under the albatross that is Brad Lidge, lets learn from our mistakes.
moondog45
Foolish to pay big for a closer. Braves proved the best way is from within. Phillies will make a reasonable offer for Madson, offer arb and if someone overpays then thanks for the memories. They have choices in their system as well as Bastardo.
Dermick
That doesn’t always work. (See Cardinals)
Ryan
You want to talk about not working? Lets talk about Brad Lidge, Billy Wagner (NY Mets), Eric Gagne, K-rod, BJ Ryan, pretty much any highly paid closer besides the Sandman…
I would much rather take a chance in April on an internal option, and have the rest of the year to address the need if that internal option does not work out, rather than commit upwards of $20M, over multiple years, to a guy who gets hurt or is ineffective by the time July rolls around.
Kendall Adkins
The Cards kind of worked from within. I’d say we only have two effective relievers from outside of the system being Rzepcynski (sp?) and Dotel. I’d say next year the bullpen looks like Motte – closer, Sanchez, Salas, Boggs for setup guys, McClellan, Lynn, and Rzepcynski as middle relief/innings guys. That would not be a bad bullpen at all. Boggs would be the weakest link, and he’s been pretty decent this year.
omavricko
I don’t understand why they dobt use paplebon as a starter like I thought he was Originally planned to be.
Bluebirdz 2
Bcuz he’s got that closer mentality /sarcasm
Storm
I really hope Cincy decides to leave Chapman in the bullpen. I would hate to see them do to him what the Yankees did to Chamberlain.
imachainsaw
someone with his stuff would be a dominating starter. it always bothers the hell out of me when there’s a debate like this. it’s a risk/reward situation, but anyone with a good brain and sense of value will know that as a starter a pitcher will give you AT LEAST twice the value that a closer will.
J-Rob
I totally agree. This nonsense of closer’s menatlity is retarded. It’s 1 freaking inning. Does it matter if it’s the 7th, 8th, or 9th inning? Do the rules change to say you can’t lose a game in the 7th or 8th? Anyone that can be a good setup guy (pitch a solid inning by not walking people and getting outs) could just as easily close games. It’s just crazy to me that GMs/Managers don’t see this. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.