Free Agents Can Sign With New Teams

Let the bidding begin!  Free agents are now allowed to sign with new teams.

Activity may still be limited this month, however.  55 Type A or B free agents are eligible to be offered arbitration at the November 23rd deadline, based on the Elias rankings.  In many cases, teams will wait to see whether an arbitration offer is made before signing a free agent.  Say the Pirates want to sign Type A free agent Ramon Hernandez.  If they sign him before November 23rd, an arbitration offer becomes assumed, and the Pirates have to give the Reds their second-round pick in the June 2012 draft.  They'll want to see whether the Reds actually offer arbitration, because if not there will be no draft pick compensation. 

This concept matters less for Type B free agents, because the new team doesn't directly give a draft pick to the old one.  Teams still may not want to guarantee their competitors draft picks, though.  If the Red Sox want to sign Type B free agent Freddy Garcia, doing so before November 23rd guarantees the Yankees a supplemental draft pick.

Certain star players will be obviously be offered arbitration, for example Albert Pujols, Prince Fielder, and Jose Reyes.  With these players the November 23rd deadline is not important, but stars usually don't sign in November anyway because they prefer to let the market develop into December or January.

Last year free agents were free to sign with new teams as of November 7th, and the arbitration offer deadline was November 23rd.  Victor Martinez was the only Type A free agent to sign with a new team during that period, while Joaquin Benoit and John Buck were the only Bs.  All three were locks for arbitration offers, so there was no harm in signing them early.  There were several re-signings during that period, including Aubrey Huff, Jake Westbrook, Ramon Hernandez, and Jhonny Peralta.


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  1. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    ITS THE MOST WONDERFUL TIME OF THE YEAR!

    • Ding! Dong! Ding! Dong! The kid’s jingle-belling and everyone telling you be of good cheer.

      • wickedkevin 4 years ago

        It’s the hap-happiest off-season of all

        With those holiday greetings and gay happy winter meetings

        When agents come to call

        It’s the hap- happiest off-season of all!

        • EdinsonPickle 4 years ago

          What about summer? You know, when the actual baseball season is in full swing.

          • diesel2410 4 years ago

            Must be a Sox fan

          • chico65 4 years ago

            Must be a yankee fan

          • not_brooks 4 years ago

            By summer, half of the teams are already out of the races. In November, everyone has hope. Except for Oriole fans. It’s tough to have hope when you don’t have a GM.

    • diesel2410 4 years ago

      It’s music to Boston’s ear!

    • Any on the phils?

  2. jordan 4 years ago

    Only issue is we dont know if the new CBA has different FA (type A/B) comp.. rumor is it will be a comp round pick for both

    • MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

      I doubt any changes take effect for this particular offseason. The current CBA doesn’t expire until December 11.

      • Agreed, I’ve heard that free agent compensation is likely to remain the same for this offseason and the 2012 draft.  Would not be fair otherwise, dating back to July trades.

  3. 55saveslives 4 years ago

    Beltran, Rollins, Pierre and call it an off season!

    Pierre LF
    Sanchez 2B
    Beltran RF
    Sandoval 3B
    Posey C
    Schierholtz CF
    Huff 1B
    Rollins SS

    • hscphillyboy 4 years ago

      Got news for ya slick: Jimmy ain’t battin’ 8th……Jimmy don’t bat 8th……GOOD LUCK with that one !

    • Y’all really want Pierre?

      • 55saveslives 4 years ago

        He’s a solid leadoff hitter.  Prob the best available not named Jose Reyes.

        • True, I was thinking about Alex Rios for a second…my bad.

          • 55saveslives 4 years ago

            No we missed out on that one….all we would have had to give up is a major first round bust named Tim Lincesomething!

          • baseball52 4 years ago

            Who the hell is that? Could it be this weirdo in my avatar? I hear he plays baseball…

          • I hear he smokes alot of gonja too

          • legaryd 4 years ago

            Nah, that kid just looks like a stoner

        • Matt 4 years ago

          Dejesus can be. Pierre’s lack of obp makes him a bad leadoff hitter. Over the past few years I would bet Dejesus is better in obp.

          • 55saveslives 4 years ago

            I like Dejesus too.  He had a down year, so probably could be had cheaper.  Funny thing is, if he didn’t break his wrist in 2010 we would have had him instead of Cody Ross  O.O

          • setupunchtag 4 years ago

            You’re right about DDJ. He can play all outfield positions (he led the AL in UZR in RF, and was pretty good in LF in ’09), hits righties better than left, if you want to platoon him. I would much rather have him leading off than Pierre…and unlike Juan, his arm actually can throw a baseball more than 100 ft without a 45 degree arc. I think much of his bad year can be explained by him still recovering from his wrist injury and Oakland’s stadium. WAY better choice than Pierre.

    • Yeah. Hit it toward the outfield, one or all will miss it.

    • monkeydung 4 years ago

      it might  be hard for the giants to overpay/sign pierre w/ colleti not in the SF front office anymore. if you want, you can have velez back!

  4. InLeylandWeTrust 4 years ago

    Can’t wait! Let’s get some deals poppin! Can’t wait to see who the Tigers are “in hard on” this year!

    • wickedkevin 4 years ago

      You must be looking for the Chien-Ming Wang thread.

    • Guest 4 years ago

      judging from your picture, i’d say there’s going to be a lot of excited free agents just waiting to get down to business with you guys.

  5. Guest 4 years ago

    why do teams need almost a month to decide about arbitration? Move the date up lets get on with it!

    • Phillies_Aces35 4 years ago

      I agree, when I’m playing MLB: The Show, it’s the first thing I do with my free agents (I’m jokingly saying that people). I’ve got to think they know who they’re going to offer it to at this point.

  6. Ian_Smell 4 years ago

    I’d actually really like to see the Pirates sign Hernandez.

    • Jakmagic 4 years ago

      Ramon Hernandez is prolly going to be one of the best pickups for a team this year. As a Brewers fan I wish the Crew would take an interest in him. We already have J. Lucroy but Ramon would be a nice compliment to him. I really like Ramon’s offensive potential. The Pirates would be getting a very good player. I don’t know how many games you would get from him behind the plate. I really liked what the Brewers did this year by making G. Kottarus Randy Wolf’s personal catcher. That gave Lucroy the rest that he needed. I wonder if a situation like that would be good for Hernandez? Hernandez would be a great fit with the Pirates. I also wonder what the Pirates are going to do with their first base position? I know someone else had mentioned Pena. I wouldn’t mind if the Brewers pursued Pena too. My offseason wishes for the Brewers are A. Ramirez, C. Pena(only if Fielder is gone), Furcal, and Sizemore. I would move C. Hart to 1st base if G. Sizemore was aquired. Of course those aree just my position player wishes. I am not even going to start rambling on about my pitching wishes.

      My lineup
      RF- C. Hart
      CF- G. Sizemore/N. Morgan/C. Gomez
      LF- R. Braun
      3B- A. Ramirez
      2B- R. Weeks
      1B- C. Pena
      C- Lucroy
      SS- Furcal
      Pitcher

  7. I know the A’s won’t resign WIllingham, but maybe they can land some decent cheap guys.

  8. MarlinsFaninPA 4 years ago

    For years, the Dolphins have gotten the money for parking, concession stands, and luxury booths; now there is money to spend and no more firesales… This is the first offseason since just prior to ’97 that I actually care about Free Agency signings… GO FISH!!!

    • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

      i have a feeling the marlins are going to pull a ‘werth’ this offseason

    • Can we trade you for Josh Johnson? :)

      • MarlinsFaninPA 4 years ago

        You can have Chris Vol-Suck, hell, I’ll even throw in Ricky “Mr. Inconsistent” Nolasco… I just want a big name bat to protect Stanton in the line-up, imagine if pitchers actually had to pitch to that kid and not junk him all the time

        • Alright, but only if you throw in that one guy that had that one name that turned out to not be his real name.

  9. NYBravosFan10 4 years ago

    yyyyyeeeeaaaaaahhhhhh BUDDY!!! Let’s get this party started!!!

  10. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    Website needs a new countdown, Tim!  Make it to when the Cubs win the WS 😉

  11. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

    whoop

  12. 55saveslives 4 years ago

    WTH??  54 min in and NOBODY signed yet??

  13. Reyes is re-signing with the Mets…just throwing that out there

    • MetsMagic 4 years ago

      Ryan Braun said he’s going to the Brewers, so he’s going to the Brewers. Ryan Brawn said so. 

  14. coolstorybro222 4 years ago

    I JUST HEARD KING FELIX GOT TRADED TO THE YANKEES FOR JESUS MONTERO!

  15. This is my first time following the whole free agent signing, so I just want to ask one question. Do signings usually occur pretty quickly (like right now) or are they kind of spread throughout the day?

    • They’re kind of spread out through late January, and occasionally later.

      -C

    • dodgers1994 4 years ago

      signings will occur within the next week but expect big named guys like prince or pujols to hold out maybe a week or two. In 2009 I waited like 4 months for Manny to sign back with the dodgers so you really never know !

    • sports33 4 years ago

      Like mentioned in the post, I wouldn’t expect any signings of real significance until later, probably around the Winter Meetings. There will be some signings, but that’s when the magic happens.

      Hope that helps.

  16. CAD_Monkey 4 years ago

    Does anyone know about a “posting schedule” (if it exists)?

    For example, is there a deadline that Darvish has to submit his name to be posted?  And then how long do teams have to bid, then sign, etc.

  17. D.j. Wilson 4 years ago

    Edwin Jackson come to KC and I won’t ask for anything else for Christmas!!

  18. icedrake523 4 years ago

    This was always my favorite part of playing MVP Baseball. Even more fun than going 162-0 and sweeping the playoffs.

    • Ian_Smell 4 years ago

      I love that game so much. That’s the only game I still played on my XBox, but they just got the red rings, so I’m going to have to get a new one. Totally worth it for that game.

      • icedrake523 4 years ago

        Back in 2007 or 2008, I paid like $80 for the PC version from a third party seller on Amazon. Totally worth it for the mods. Too bad the mod community for it has kind of died down.

  19. You are right. I totally agree with you, Ian_Smell.

  20. nestleraisinets 4 years ago

    won’t be long before yankees and red sox fans start posting with their annual wishlist for  the holidays

    • MB923 4 years ago

      I guess your wish list is for the Yankees and Red Sox not to sign any big free agents (something the Yankees haven’t done in 3 years, so you only got half your wish then last year). But I expect you to get your full wish if Pujols, Fielder, Wilson, and Reyes all sign elsewhere and I think there’s a good chance that is what’s going to happen.

      • I think his comment isnt about the yankees/red sox signing players, but their fans coming up with outrageous ideas and talking abotu the teams nonstop when it comes to players they should get. I remember a fair amount of yankees fans saying the yankees will get both crawford and lee last year.

        Also Soriano was a top free agent for RP last year, as was Rivera/Jeter. So thats 3 they signed last year. 

        • MB923 4 years ago

          Rivera/Jeter, really? Come on, yes they were FA but they were homegrown so as people say, they weren’t “buying players from other teams”. Soriano, fair I suppose, but he wasn’t the biggest name available, plus you pretty much knew his old team wasn’t going to get him back so he would have gone somewhere else anyway.

          By the way, I don’t know of a single Yankee fan who said they should get Crawford last year. Cliff Lee….different story. But every true Yankee fan would know signing Crawford is nothing but a waste. They have an OF of who all combined makes less than Crawford (And I think it still might, Swisher is at $10 mil, Granderson I think is at $11, and Gardner is minimum wage).

          Maybe it was one of those “annoying” fans who think they should sign every FA in the world, but don’t count the real ones into thinking they needed Crawford.

  21. Phillies_Aces35 4 years ago

    Since there was no agreement at the start of free agency, is there no luxury tax this year? I heard Jayson Stark say that on 97.5 the fanatic.

  22. Guest 4 years ago

    Woohooo!

  23. One thing I’m curious about…

    If a Type A free agent is signed now an offer of arbitration is assumed and a draft pick is given up. But what about for Beltran? He can’t be offered arbitration due to his contract. Can you sign him now without giving up a draft pick? Which rule is overruled?

    • DutchTiger 4 years ago

      It is not a rule that type A/B free agents are automatically offered arbitration if they are signed before the deadline. What Tim Dierkes meant in the article is that type A’s that are signed now are considered to be offered arbitration anyway. The signing team might as well go in quick to make sure they get the guy, like the Tigers did with Martinez last year. The Red Sox still had to offer arbitration to Martinez to get the pick. If they hadn’t then they wouldn’t have gotten the extra pick, even though Martinez signed before the arbitration deadline.

      In Beltran’s case, anyone can sign him at anytime without giving up a pick because he and the Giants agreed that there will not be an arbitration offer.

      • But it is a rule. In the current CBA it says:

        “(c) A Type A or B Player shall be subject to compensation only
        if (i) he signs a contract with another Club prior to December 1; or
        (ii) he is offered salary arbitration by his former Club on or before
        December 1 pursuant to Section B(3) of this Article XX and signs a
        contract with another Club.”

        Of course the date is November 23rd this year, but the rule should still stand. But I think since he is unable to be offered arbitration, under the other sections of the CBA it doesn’t matter if he’s signed now or not. He could sign today and not cost a pick.

        • DutchTiger 4 years ago

          Interesting…Didn’t know about that rule. I actually think that the Giants will receive compensation if he signs before December 1st based on point 1. 

          The agreement not to offer arbitration only applies to point 2 meaning that the Giants are unable to extend the period they are eligible for draft pick compensation after December 1st.

          Because of this I don’t think Beltran will sign with an other team than the Giants before December 1st. 

          • The thing that makes me hesitate on that is the previous rule, which states:

            “The former Club of a free agent, no later than by the December 1
            following the free agency election period, may offer to proceed with
            the Player to salary arbitration under Article VI of this Agreement,
            for the next following season. The Club’s offer shall be communicated
            to the LRD, which shall notify the Association in writing. Said
            offer shall be effective upon receipt by the Association and the Club
            will not be permitted to retract the offer. If the former Club of the
            free agent does not so offer, it shall lose all rights to compensation
            under Section B(4) of this Article XX with respect to that free agent.”

            Since the former club cannot contractually offer arbitration anyway, there might not be an assumption of it if he signs before the Deadline.

          • DutchTiger 4 years ago

            I think this is a bit ambiguously worded because of the word ‘or’ between XX(4c(i) and XX(4c(ii). I refer to my first statement that the Giants would have to offer arbitration to receive any compensation as the correct interpretation, although I think the Giants might have a case if Beltran signs elsewhere before December 1st. I think team will sign him after the arbitration deadline to avoid confusion.

  24. DutchTiger 4 years ago

    I think this is a bit ambiguously worded because of the word ‘or’ between XX(4c(i) and XX(4c(ii). I refer to my first statement that the Giants would have to offer arbitration to receive any compensation as the correct interpretation, although I think the Giants might have a case if Beltran signs elsewhere before December 1st. I think team will sign him after the arbitration deadline to avoid confusion. 

  25. 55saveslives 4 years ago

    Giants sold out every home game plus W.S. merchandising….Plus potentially $25 mil off the books.

  26. Tom McCoy 4 years ago

    Nobody in their right mind would want Albert playing 3rd base. 

  27. Beavis De Beppo 4 years ago

    I’d imagine the Reds would give Fat Albert a shot at third.  Couldn’t do much worse.

  28. legaryd 4 years ago

    I don’t understand why nobody wants Albert playing 3rd.  UZR said he did alright there back in the day.  Just because he’s a slugger doesn’t mean you need to hide him at LF or 1B.  Just look at Chipper.  Him and Pujols are about the same weight and height and Chipper does just fine.

  29. wickedkevin 4 years ago

    How are you still not banned?!

  30. 55saveslives 4 years ago

    Would it be gay if I gave this a Like?  lol

  31. Why not try for Clint Barmes?

  32. Albert probably has 30 to 40 pounds on Chipper

  33. MB923 4 years ago

    The keywords you said were “back in the day”.

  34. jhfdssdaf 4 years ago

    Even if he could play third, the risk for injury at third is too great.  He’s already shown some frailty – you want to add injury risk for a $20+ million a year player who is the center of your offense?  Maybe the Twins think that’s a good idea (Mauer), but most teams tend to avoid it.

  35. legaryd 4 years ago

    I suppose my thinking is: 

    1. Plenty of good 3rd basemen are Pujol’s size and play the position well and with durability 

    2. Pujols has pretty much been an ironman with the exception of playing 147 games this year, which came from a fluke injury that he only could have gotten playing 1st base

    3. The idea that 3rd base is riskier than 1st base is probably true, but it seems like one of those “old” baseball ideas, and I’d like to see if theres a way to quantify position risk

    4. Pujols playing 3rd probably means an additional 3 or 4 WAR based on positional scarcity alone.

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