Red Sox Rumors: Cespedes, Sveum, ACES, Crawford

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3 years 9 months ago

That red sox buffett better be well stocked having both Bobby Jenks and Matt Capps leading the charge!

rickjimbo
3 years 9 months ago

God forbid Albers

3 years 9 months ago

Tobias Funke – Analrapist

rickjimbo
3 years 9 months ago

Tobias… you blow hard!

Karkat
3 years 9 months ago

At least Lackey is removed from the buffet line now.

randomkeys
3 years 9 months ago

Are you kidding? If anything, Lackey will spend MORE time at the buffet line, since he nothing else to do for a while.

Craig Carlton
3 years 9 months ago

Who the Eff are you to make a comment about their “Weight.”  That’s the problem with the fan these days, no respect for the players.  They are people just like yo
u and me.

3 years 9 months ago

IF my job was contingent on my physical ability and I partook in activites that would have a negative impact on them while getting paid millions of dollars then yes I would be just like the players.

They are public figures who are paid for what they can do physically and weight does factor into many players longevitiy and sometimes work ethic.

So yes you can make comments about their weight.

3 years 9 months ago

Yikes it was a joke!  Just like Jenks and Capps after a hearty buffett, you might wanna loosen the belt a few notches.

Ben_Cherington
3 years 9 months ago

are you overweight?

Rcsully
3 years 9 months ago

Capps would be a nice start to the 2012 Pen, but not as a closer

3 years 9 months ago

I don’t see why Bard can’t be given a crash course in the job at the very least. 

Yes his second half last season was atrocious but he is by far the best arm they are going to have come 2012

randomkeys
3 years 9 months ago

Five great months, one bad month.

His “second half” was not atrocious. He was lights out from April 2-August 31.

Karkat
3 years 9 months ago

I actually like Capps a lot better than most people seem to, and a lot better than I like many of the other relief arms out there.  Prior to this season, his SIERA had been consistently in the mid-high 3’s, so I’m willing to believe that he just had an off year this year.  That kind of statistical bump sounds like something that can be fixed with a little tweaking of the mechanics (assuming the Sox get a decent pitching coach.

I don’t really like him as a closer, but as a bonus he comes with closing experience so he could do so in a pinch.

3 years 9 months ago

I wonder if in hindsight Theo wished he would have traded for Upton instead of Gonzalez and let the Red Sox go after one of the FA first basemen.

Craig Carlton
3 years 9 months ago

Maybe you wished that.

3 years 9 months ago

No, as I am not Fielder/Pujols’ agent.

notsureifsrs
3 years 9 months ago

even hindsightier: sign holliday instead of crawford, then trade for gonzalez

RedSoxDynasty
3 years 9 months ago

This would have been the perfect scenario but the Sox were infatuated with Lackeys good looks at the time!

notsureifsrs
3 years 9 months ago

that wasn’t the issue. the issue was that they thought 7 years for matt holliday was crazytown. they failed to anticipate the nationals relocating to crazytown a year later and driving up the price for crawford

commenter3346
3 years 9 months ago

The Red Sox drove up the price for Crawford. The outbid themselves. The deal that the Angels offered Crawford was significantly lower than the deal that the Red Sox offered him. Not that they would have saved much money. I guess they just wanted to make sure they could get him.

notsureifsrs
3 years 9 months ago

incorrect. crawford’s agents themselves described what happened. the angels were prepared to match the offer, but crawford chose boston

RedSoxDynasty
3 years 9 months ago

I was actully just cracking a joke but if I remember correctly they went to Holliday with the same 5 yr offer that they eventually gave to Lackey but Boeas turned it down. Stupid move looking back as they should have offered more years to Holliday.

pierre
3 years 9 months ago

ellsbury had a better yr. and bard was money for a big stretch  so i doubt the red sox are not happy about making that trade.

3 years 9 months ago

I thought that the package the diamonbacks wanted was essentially what they gave up for Gonzalez plus a prospect here or there.

notsureifsrs
3 years 9 months ago

nah. they wanted a significantly bigger package and insisted on bard specifically. gonzalez was in the final year of his contract; upton has a team-friendly deal with 5 years left at the time

im a huge upton fanboy and would have been in favor of cleaning out the farm to acquire him even after the gonzalez trade. but, given the costs, i’d take gonzalez over fielder or pujols

gonzalez + crawford < upton & fielder < gonzalez + holliday

3 years 9 months ago

Ah ok I did not know they wanted bard, although I still would have given them bard if I was a GM. Granted I am not a GM due to my lack of business savy baseball knowledge so take my opinion for what its worth.

johnsilver
3 years 9 months ago

Yeah. VERY few scenarios would i want to give up Bard, even though he is at this time a middle reliever. 4 years of control (5 then) and dominant at it.

it would take a HUGE package/return to get him and not much else added to it on Boston’s end.

3 years 9 months ago

The issue is over what it would’ve took to get Upton.  There is no way Rizzo, Kelly, and Fuentes would’ve been enough for Upton like it was for Gonzalez.

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

Type A? No thanks unless the Twins don’t offer him arbitration. Relievers aren’t worth compensation and it’s unlikely that’ll change this offseason.

wolf9309
3 years 9 months ago

he made over $7 million last year and was not good.  They will not offer him arbitration, because he’d accept it.

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

Unless, of course, another team comes to terms with him before the arbitration deadline. I’d take Capps on a small deal, but I wouldn’t touch him until I know for a fact that he’s not going to cost a pick.

3 years 9 months ago

“The Red Sox have shown no interest in trading Carl Crawford, tweets Danny Knobler of CBS Sports.”

Nobody team Major League baseball has shown interest in ACQUIRING Carl Crawford.

3 years 9 months ago

In other news, the sky is blue.

Why would you trade a high-profile 20m player on a 7-year contract after ONE down-year…?

GoAwayNow
3 years 9 months ago

what?

3 years 9 months ago

I don’t want Bard as closer. I trust his ability to close, but it’s just that if we were to get Bard, we would miss out on another high profile closer. I doubt people like K-Rod or Bell would want to set-up, whereas Bard is fine there.

Tko11
Tko11
3 years 9 months ago

Why…K-Rod set up last year. I dont really understand why they would want Bell. Its not like he will make less money than Papelbon, wouldnt they just have tried to resign him? Makes no sense. I rather see them go after Nathan or Broxton if they can get them fairly cheap. 

MetsMagic
3 years 9 months ago

K-Rod went kicking and screaming to Milwaukee and continued complaining en route to the postseason because he couldn’t get saves. He’s closing next year. 

3 years 9 months ago

“The Red Sox have shown no interest in trading Carl Crawford, tweets Danny Knobler of CBS Sports.”
I also heard the red sox have no interest in trading Lester/Pedroia.
 
SHOCKING!

3 years 9 months ago

*Sings one of these things is not like the other.*

Two of those guys are in the top 10 of most valuable trade chips in baseball, while one has negative value.  It’s obvious that they aren’t going to move him, but it’s because it would be a clear sell low and it wouldn’t improve the club.

3 years 9 months ago

True, the point I was making was that you can go to any team and say so and so isnt going to be traded just by using logic.

I guess it would have been better if I said LAckey will not be traded.

Duke15
3 years 9 months ago

After the emergence of Ellsbury this year though, it might not be the worst thing if the Sox could get decent value for Crawford. Right now, Ells is walking away in two years, no question. But if you trade away Crawford’s contract, you can take that money and throw it right at Ellsbury for an extension (not as established as Crawfy, but at a premium position and clearly, after ’11, the tools to be a superstar every year).

Yes it’d be a sell low on Crawford which is not ideal, but if we could get 75 cents on the dollar and extend Jacoby I like it a lot.

Ned Gold
3 years 9 months ago

“The Red Sox have shown no interest in trading Carl Crawford, tweets Danny Knobler of CBS Sports.”

Ugh, why would this guy even say that? Crawford is probably working on getting his head on straight and the last thing he needs to hear about are fictitious trade rumors!

3 years 9 months ago

Poor logic. The Red Sox didn’t add years or significant AAV onto their Crawford proposal because of what the Nationals gave Jayson Werth. They assigned a value to Crawford and came within that scope. The Red Sox are a smart organization, they don’t get hysterical and react to the outlier team who throws out an albatross deal. The Lackey and Crawford deals were unwise, but it wasn’t due to a crazy market, just poor evaluations and bad luck.

notsureifsrs
3 years 9 months ago

1) the red sox are smart
2) the red sox do not react to the market
3) the red sox concluded matt holliday was not worth 7/120
4) the red sox concluded carl crawford was worth 7/140 even before jayson werth signed

did i get that right? sounds legit

SoCalAngelsFan75
3 years 9 months ago

You forgot:

5) Poop don’t stink in Boston.  It has the sweet aroma of chicken wings and cheap beer.

bobbleheadguru
3 years 9 months ago

Tigers Delmon Young for Crawford would make good sense for both teams.

Young has 2 negatives:
1. Poor range as a defender… No worries in the tiny left field of Fenway (perhaps 1/2 the acreage as Comerica).
2. He is a free swinger… No problem as long as he can bat 3rd and have AGON protecting him… just like he was successful by having Cabrera protecting him.

Young’s positives are .280/30/100 potential in Comerica. He would likely do even better at Fenway.

Crawford is way overpaid… perhaps by about $5M per year.  He is also limited by the fact that his strength cannot be exploited by the field he plays in. Finally, he is a very similar player to Ellsbury… Not sure that the Red Sox would really want two guys like that, if they knew how Ellsbury would do this year.

Red Sox can use the money they save by making this trade by getting Fielder to play DH. Fielder and Delmon Young replacing Crawford and Big Papi… for about the same $s. Delmon would only be a one year commitment. Extend him if he pans out. Go to the free agent market in after 2012 if he does not.

Of course the Tigers would need some financial incentive to make this work. They would never make that initial deal that Theo saddled the Red Sox with. Perhaps the Red Sox would have to give $20-30M to the Tigers?

3 years 9 months ago

While I have been clamoring for the Tigers to get Crawford for awhile (him and jackson in that outfield woudl be outstanding) I do not see this hapening at all.

Young is an arbitration candidate and this deal would essentially just be a salary dump for the red sox so they could sign ells to an extension.

If I were the tigers I woudl do this, but that is just because I love Crawford and have for awhile now.

Also the red sox would not commit that much to a DH, esp now that the schedule has interleague play all year. How would they get Agon/Fielder into the lineup?

3 years 9 months ago

every last word of that was just wrong.

notsureifsrs
3 years 9 months ago

johnsilver
3 years 9 months ago

NONE of Aces clients are worth compensation other than Bell and I would not want to give up the Sox 1st round pick for a closer as has already been posted here and elsewhere by other Sox fans previously.

Closers/relievers in general are just not worth a 1st round pick to smart teams that draft well and know how to run a good farm system.

Jim McGrath
3 years 9 months ago

Hot Stove time it’s heating up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blockbuster opportunities:AGon and Beckett to the DBacks for a package inc. Upton.

Crawford and Youk to the Tigers, Reds or Angels for a package.

Ellsbury, Salty and a couple of prospects to the A’s for Gio, Suzuki, Brandon McCarthy and others.
Sign Pujols.
Sign Madsen.
Sign Sizemore.
Ya it does sound like a remodeling of the Sox.Maybe sign Papi.
Blow me up if you must—we’ve got some kids that are coming along with a new manager and a new GM–new faces and new hopes.

start_wearing_purple
start_wearing_purple
3 years 9 months ago

… Stop playing video games.

NYPOTENCE
3 years 9 months ago

Videogames can actually improve the development of neural transmission in your brains.  (Not trying to smother your comment)

dc21892
3 years 9 months ago

In this case, it failed.

3 years 9 months ago

The Red Sox have shown no interest in trading Carl Crawford, tweets Danny Knobler of CBS Sports.
LOL!!! I think Danny Boy meant to say, no team has shown interest in Carl Crawford.

3 years 9 months ago

Red Sox!!! Trade For Jason Bay and Cash considerations(owed 36mill; Mets eat 20 mill!)… acquire RHP Weiland from the BoSox.

Lineup:

1- Ellsbury CF
2- Pedroia 2b
3- A.Gonzo 1b
4- Youk 3b
5- Bay DH
6- Crawford LF
7- Reddick/Kalish RF
8- Salty/Lava C
9- Lowrie SS

Jim McGrath
3 years 9 months ago

That’s a trade I would make. JBay was a good team player while he was here. I think he would have pretty good numbers coming back to Boston.

commenter3346
3 years 9 months ago

Except Lowrie is a utility guy at best. Scutaro is the shortstop. Sorry I nitpick.

I actually liked Bay (and I surely liked him a lot better than Crawford). But I just doubt they’d do that. 

MaineSox
3 years 9 months ago

That’s not true about Lowrie; his issue has been his ability to stay on the field, not his actual talent.  If he were able to stay healthy he would be an above average SS or 3B.

commenter3346
3 years 8 months ago

Lowrie’s splits show that he’s no more than a platoon/utility guy. He can’t hit from the left side. His numbers against right handed pitchers are bad.

MaineSox
3 years 8 months ago

You have it backward, Lowrie has a wOBA of almost .400 as a left handed hitter, and since the vast majority of pitchers are right handed, his splits don’t affect him nearly as much as if it were the other way around.

His overall career numbers would be above average for a 3B or a 2B, and he has positive fielding numbers at both positions, so he could be an above average starter at either 2B or 3B for someone.  His overall offensive numbers would be above league average for a SS as well, but he is below average defensively there.

seamus37
3 years 9 months ago

Lowrie is trade bait as is Reddick.
Sign Papi.

Jim McGrath
3 years 9 months ago

Perhaps no interest has been shown to trading CC by the GM but if someone expresses an interest in CC I don’t think Ben would get an argument from John Henry if a nice package was put together. You don’t suppose the Tigers would return Victor Martinez, Brandon Inge, 
and another contract that’s weighing heavy?

Ned Gold
3 years 9 months ago

I don’t suppose.

cookmeister
3 years 9 months ago

what about some kind of deal involving the Angels and Red Sox.  Something along the lines of Santana for Youk, obviously with some type of fillers involved..

Jim McGrath
3 years 9 months ago

I’ll have to talk with Ben C. but that sounds doable. Can we expand that to include Carl Crawford for Vernon Wells and Dan Harren?

Karkat
3 years 9 months ago

Oh yeah! If the Sox sign him they can flip him for a great prospect midseason! Even better! 😛

3 years 9 months ago

you think so?

Redsoxn8tion
3 years 9 months ago

Hey Bleacher, I was wondering when I’d see a stupid comment from you on a Red Sox MLBTR report again. Good to see you haven’t changed.