Red Sox Notes: Hazen, O’Halloran, Farrell

Here's the latest from Boston, as the Red Sox are still without a manager and a closer…

  • The team announced a series of front office moves in a press release. Among the reshuffling, Mike Hazen and Brian O'Halloran have both been named Vice President and Assistant GM. All of the moves can be found here.
  • The Blue Jays announced last month that they would not give employees permission to make lateral moves, but Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports says that didn't stop the Sox from asking Toronto what it would take to let them talk to manager John Farrell about their managerial vacancy. The talks failed to progress.
  • Earlier today we learned that the Red Sox have interest in Huston Street, and they also spoke to Joe Nathan without making an offer.


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78 Comments on "Red Sox Notes: Hazen, O’Halloran, Farrell"


Bob Stuart
3 years 9 months ago

Send Pedroia for Farrell, otherwise wallow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Redsoxn8tion
3 years 9 months ago

Really? I’m glad I realized that was a joke.

UncleCharles
3 years 9 months ago

Little people scare me.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

2nd basemen with Sub .300 OBP scare me

hitdog042
3 years 9 months ago

Pedroia’s OBP was .387   

johnsmith4
3 years 9 months ago

I think he was referring to Aaron Hill

NYBravosFan10
3 years 9 months ago

O’Halloran? That’s not a name that belongs in Boston is it?

MaineSox
3 years 9 months ago

Not Irish enough

3 years 9 months ago

Only if his first name was Shamus

rickjimbo
3 years 9 months ago

It’s spelled Seamus, GET IT RIGHT! (*pounds a Guinness*)

3 years 9 months ago

Fair enough, I went with the phonetic spelling for the gaelicly challenged… SHA-MIS :)

El_Bobo
3 years 9 months ago

They need to let go of the idea of Farrell. I wonder if they’ve considered Brad Mills; I think he’d be a great fit.

UncleCharles
3 years 9 months ago

I instantly thought of the pitcher Brad Mills. I was like Manager/Player they’d have no respect for him. Bad idea, then I floated back to reality.

3 years 9 months ago

Brad Mills is like the most hated man in Houston right now. I think Houston would pay the Sox to take him. Not trying to be mean or anything as a few years ago, I would have agreed with you.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

John Farrell for in exchange for Chicken Dogs, Chicken twists, a kind of fermented chicken drink.

Jose_Bautista
3 years 9 months ago

And Popeyes chicken for a year from Jays!

3 years 9 months ago

Funny thing is, they won 2 World Series eating fried chicken and drinking beer. It’s been going on since the mid-90’s through multiple GM’s, Managers and front office execs. It was blown completely out of proportion. But the Sox will keep eating fried chicken and finishing between first and 3rd and the Blue Jays will win 75-85 games every season and hang back in 4th. Cool with me. Find a new joke please.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

Mainesox? I’m positive you have a great picture about this guy’s story.

3 years 9 months ago

Bitter much?

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

To be entirely fair, he’s got a point.

The 2004 team was reputed to drink shots before every game in the playoffs.
The 2007 team was headlined by Manny Ramirez, and you’d be naive to assume he wasn’t high like seventy percent of the time.
Jon Lester came out and said the beer and chicken thing went on all season, including May through August when they were absolutely dominating the rest of the AL.

People love to talk about BeerandChickenGate, but the odds it had any significant effect on the team are minuscule. They just stunk up the join for a month, no way around that. They will probably be right back in the thick of it next year.

Redsoxn8tion
3 years 9 months ago

Guys these fried chicken jokes are getting old. Find something new already.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

it actually wasn’t a fried chicken joke.

its what the yankees traded  george costanza for.

so there.

3 years 9 months ago

Seriously. Boston is getting ridiculous and almost annoying. That being said, I wouldn’t mind letting John go and sign Terry Francona. Boston had its man but lost it for a couple of pizzas, fried chicken and a 12-pack.

crzycanuck
3 years 9 months ago

The idea of letting Farrell go to Boston and getting some cash/prospects in return would have been the best thing to do.  Then have Francona manage against his old team and make ’em pay.  Imagine how much hungrier the whole team would have been with him on board to take it to the Sox.

cyberboo
3 years 9 months ago

Boston has as much of a chance of landing Farrell, as Boston has of trading Jon Lester and Jacoby Ellsbury to Toronto for Farrell.  Either that or throw in Bard too, just for the right to talk to him.  lol.  That should stop them from being delusional. lol.

3 years 9 months ago

They expected Francona to be the manager and gave the Jays the courtesy of giving John Farrell a promotion he deserves. Same goes for Theo. Other organizations should show the same class. Speaking of course mainly about Toronto, but even Chicago should have been a little more giving in the compensation process. The Sox didn’t have to offer either of them anything. Right or wrong?

Show some class. I used to think the Jays were a class act organization, but after Bautista’s comments today and the lack of appreciation for what’s been handed to them on a silver platter, I am starting to question that.

Can_of_corn
3 years 9 months ago

Farrell went from pitching coach to manager when he accepted job with the
Jays, so yes a promotion but going back to Boston would only be considered a lateral move. Hence, compensation and right of refusal

3 years 9 months ago

Come on… you really believe that? Girardi doesn’t get more exposure as a member of the Yankees then as a member of the Marlins? Francona was an unknown when he was in Philly. Now you have other team’s fans saying he’s the best manager in baseball and how could they let him go?

Lateral in manager to manager, but otherwise there is no comparison. And right to refusal is always there. You just have a grumpy manager if it’s not what he wants.

Curt Young is a perfect example.

Can_of_corn
3 years 9 months ago

Not everyone equates exposure with success…think Zack Greinke, no way would he go to Boston or New York.

Yes literally it is a lateral move, are you asking me if a move to Boston for John Farrell is a step up, I dont know and neither do you, only John Farrell knows that. I do know that there is something special brewing in Toronto and there is a certain amount of pride derived from molding a group of  kids to success. Don’t forget Farrell’s routes are in player development.

Tony Lacava is a perfect example

3 years 9 months ago

So what you are telling me is that if you had a job with Yahoo, then got offered the same position with Microsoft or Google, that’s not a promotion?

Baseball is a business. Guys move to the big-market teams to gain exposure. Grienke is a special case as he struggles with depression and anxiety. That’s why he won’t go. Didn’t say Farrell wanted to jump ship. In fact, he’s hinted that he doesn’t. But as each managerial candidate has said, the opportunity to work with a club with as much history and a fanbase as rabid as Boston’s is an honor.

3 years 9 months ago

And you are talking about a team that has put out the most talent from it’s farm system in the majors in talking about the Red Sox, minus maybe Tampa Bay.

Buchholz, Ellsbury, Pedroia, Youkilis, Lester, need I name more. Not to mention his roots were in Boston for many years before he went to Toronto for one. I doubt he’d decline an interview.

I do agree with you that something special is brewing in Toronto. Something special is also brewing in Kansas City. Same could be said for Pittsburgh. But none of the 3 are close to being considered a “World Series favorite” is the point I’m trying to make.

3 years 9 months ago

Do you not remember how John Farrell became the manager of the Blue Jays? Why don’t you look at some articles about last off-season.

cyberboo
3 years 9 months ago

The fans do have class in Toronto.  Boston had a pitching coach named John Farrell.  The Jays used proper protocol to ask permission to speak to him about a promotion to manager.  Boston agreed and Farrell signed with Toronto.  It has now been a year and suddenly Boston wants him back, because they threw away Francona and Epstein. If anyone is showing a lack of class, it is the Boston organization for continuing their pursuit of a manager who is OFF LIMITS.  AA even had to change club policy, so lateral moves wouldn’t be tolerated.  If Boston wanted to promote Farrell to General Manager, they would have had the Jays blessing to talk to him.  How many times does Boston have to be told that they can’t have him.  There are 29 other managers in the league, hound those teams, because Boston gave permission for him to walk.  If Boston doesn’t ‘CHOKE’ in September, costing them the playoffs, Francona remains on the bench.  If Farrell leads the Jays to a 62 – 100 record, His name is never mentioned for manager.  Since he led the Jays to an 81 – 81 record with rookies and fill-ins, suddenly everyone in Boston wants him back and the answer is what it was after the season ended.  NO.  Find someone else to manage the Red Sox team, because Farrell isn’t available.

3 years 9 months ago

Didn’t say anything about Toronto’s fan base. I loved going to the Rogers Centre growing up because the Jays have some of the best fans in baseball. The front office I can’t speak to after recent events.

And no again you are wrong. The Jays are not allowing anyone under contract to interview with any team, regardless of promotion or position. It’s not just discourteous to other teams, but to their own staff. There is only one person of interest. Farrell. Two teams were interested. Cubs and Sox. It was a blatant cheap shot.

I apologize, but I must hit the hay for work tomorrow and can’t spend time arguing minor details. Please don’t take it the wrong way. I love the Jays, but the move was a classless cheap-shot. Can’t say I blame them as it’s in the Jays best interest as an organization. But that doesn’t change the facts.

bjfan
3 years 9 months ago

Well just before you head off to bed, you have to explain to me how Tony Luvullo is still in the running.  He is still on the Jays payroll.  So your statement that the Jays are not allowing anyone to interview with any team is WRONG!!!

3 years 9 months ago

Luvullo is not a good choice for manager. Hence why the Sox are expected to sign Bobby V.

Losing a 1B coach (I believe, correct?) is not a big loss. It’s likely Selig would have intervened had they tried to prevent that large of a promotion.

I was shocked to learn a few days ago he was getting a second interview.

bjfan
3 years 9 months ago

Regardless of whether it is a big loss, this is what you said. 

 ” The Jays are not allowing anyone under contract to interview with any team, regardless of promotion or position”  And that is incorrect.

I hope the Red Sox do hire Valentine.  If you think the September collapse was bad, wait until you have Valentine fighting for control.  It will be ugly.

3 years 9 months ago

I can tell you that I prefer an actual manager who has been there and as Harold Reynolds said on MLB Network Radio this morning: “Bobby Valentine knows how to handle talent.” Francona never had a power struggle with the front office. I don’t think there’s any reason to suggest that Valentine will either. It’s not like previous jobs (such as NYM) where the front office didn’t put the guys on the field capable of winning. This is a front office that has proven time and time again its commitment to winning in sports hardest division.

Not to mention his unexpected WS appearance with the Mets in 2000.

See comment below beginning with: I was mistaken. He did mention lateral movement. But just because someone was careful with their words, once again, does not change the facts.

bjfan
3 years 9 months ago

Well if you prefer a manager who “has been there”, why in the heck do you want Farrell????  Bobby Valentine is a mouth that roared with an ego to match.  He has won exactly nothing in all his years of greatness.  I sincerely hope the Sox hire him.

It can only help the Jays that  the sox will have no closer, a new GM with no power, an egotist for a manager, and a farm system that is more than a little tattered around the edges.  Plus, there has been more than one or two hints about cutting payroll.

And AA was not “being careful” with his words.  He made it quite plain, that he would not allow any employee of the jays to interview for a lateral move.   Good for him.  As a Jays fan, I would have lost respect if he had allowed Farrel to go back to the Sox. 

cyberboo
3 years 9 months ago

Sorry, but you are wrong.  The Blue Jays have an open policy when it comes to ANY employee interviewing for another job that is a promotion over what they have now.  AA has stated bluntly and clearly for all to understand that any employee in the organization can seek a promotion – Tony LaCava was interviewed for the Orioles job of general manager and turned it down on his own, with NO interference from the Jays front office.  Luvullo has interviewed with the same Boston Red Sox for the job of manager without the interference of the Jays front office.  AA is on record that he would be happy for anyone that is given a promotion, making everything you said pointless and false.  Did you notice what he said.  “Anyone that is seeking a promotion, NOT a lateral move, is eligible to speak with any team in baseball, without permission being needed.” 

If Brian Butterfield wanted to interview with any team in baseball for the role of manager or General manager, that team could talk to him, without asking permission.  I don’t mind having others disagree with me, but know the facts before you attack anything I write which is always based in fact, not hearsay, rumour, or speculation.  The only fact applying here is Boston saw how he managed Toronto and now wants him back and they are angry that they can’t have permission to do it.  If they offer Ellsbury, Lester, Bard, as compensation, since Farrell is under contract for 2 more years, I’m sure AA would tell John good luck in Boston and then replace him. Just because teams say NO to other teams, doesn’t mean they lack class or aren’t a good organization.  Fact: Florida, Atlanta, Arizona, plus others fans could name here refused to give permission to other teams to interview their front office personnel, does that make them a classless organization too?

3 years 9 months ago

I was mistaken. He did mention lateral movement. But just because someone was careful with their words, once again, does not change the facts.

The facts are:
1) They were granted the right to talk to Farrell by Boston
2) A move to Boston 21 or so managers in baseball would consider a promotion, including any other non-playoff team
3) The Blue Jays simply put do not have the talent currently (if they sign a guy like Pujols, I might change my mind) to win a World Series in 2012. I could see them sneaking in as a Wild Card with the new CBA and pulling off something special, but you absolutely can’t bank a man’s future on it
4) Anthopoulos was careful with his words to insure Farrell couldn’t be moved

Those are the facts.

And to answer your last question: No it doesn’t. They were not handed John Farrell on a silver platter for nothing as a courtesy. They don’t owe anything to the Red Sox. Consider it a complement that they are so interested. You got yourself a great manager.

And I didn’t say classless. I said they showed a lack of class. I too tend to be careful with my words. The statement was definitely a classless cheap-shot. Not that Anthopoulos doesn’t have class. I can make a jerk move. Doesn’t make me a jerk.

To even suggest that is absurd. By your logic, the Sox should have no problem getting Castro and Garza from the Cubs for Theo. The comment is outrageous.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

please just stop talking

ive never seen someone be so articulate and organized while making the dumbest argument i’ve ever heard.

John Farrell was offered a few manager jobs before accepting the jays, Farrell wasn’t handed on a silver platter, he interviewed and accepted the job offer. 
At that point it was well documented that Farrell was in line for a promotion, at that point it wasn’t realistic to expect it would happen in Boston, he moved on, and so should you.

The very idea that the jays would conduct a series of interviews over an extended period of time, introduce a new manager to a young core only to offer him back to the red sox is beyond absurd. Not to mention the fact that you somehow think that being a manager of the red sox over other teams should be considered a promotion, seriously get off your high horse, its the same job.

If this was normal practice, guys like Farrell would never be promoted in the first place, which means they probably wouldn’t want to work for the red sox to begin with. Seriously, absolutely ridiculous argument.

The red sox allowed FARRELL to interview for the job, they we’re being gracious to him, not to the jays. I don’t get why you fail to understand that?

3 years 9 months ago

How do you figure a promotion was not inevitable in 2013? Francona only had a 2012 option and was a free agent prior to 2013 when Theo was likely to leave anyway thus making a “changing of the guard” inevitable. You are simple-minded if you don’t understand the argument and I can’t say yours is as well organized.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

lol so by that logic why did the Red Sox allow Farrell to often look for other opportunities. you’re such a homer. I need advil .

He’s not even a good manager, you’re just panicking because thats what fans like you do. You hit the panic button, make bogus arguments that make sense to no one but yourself and other homers, and argue them until you’re blue in the face.

Seriously, like a 6 year old.

everyone should just do a the red sox please and give them what they want, everything else would be classless. lol

0bsessions
3 years 9 months ago

“At that point it was well documented that Farrell was in line for a promotion, at that point it wasn’t realistic to expect it would happen in Boston, he moved on, and so should you. ”

Actually, to be fair, it was very well documented that Farrell was likely to be in line for the Red Sox manager position once Francona retired. A lot of Sox fans were scratching their heads when he left as we knew Francona only had one more guaranteed year left and that he was a good shot for retirement due to his health concerns.

No one saw the September collapse and Francona leaving under those terms coming, but it was widely accepted that it was a very realistic possibility Francona would retire soon and Farrell was considered the obvious choice to replace him.

3 years 9 months ago

Tell me if I misread your comments : Bad teams or low-market teams should not block their employees from getting the same job for a big-market teams since these give their employees more visibility. That’s what you call being a farm-team. I don’t think the Blue Jays are interested in being Yankees’ and Sox’ farm club. AA put a lot of effort in grouping a great team and coaching staff together, and I don’t think he will let other teams dismantle his organization because YOU call it classless. Welcome to the Bigs, Steven. Cheers.

3 years 9 months ago

And I repeat, the Sox won the World Series twice, and in that time, the Jays never finished above 3rd. That was all while Kevin Millar was doing shots in the dugout and beer in the clubhouse has never been banned. Rays manager Joe Maddon in fact even said banning bear in the clubhouse is “absurd”. There are only 13(?) teams in MLB that don’t allow beer in the clubhouse. I don’t believe the Jays are on that list, but I could be wrong there. So cheers.

missyae
3 years 9 months ago

Bobby V

3 years 9 months ago

Congrats to Mike Hazen, I graduated high school with him. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. 

3 years 9 months ago

No one here appears to be looking at the big picture. The big picture is, the Blue Jays had no hope of contention in 2012, 2013, and possibly longer prior to the new CBA. Now the decision appears to make some sense with the addition of another Wild Card team. However, not extending the Red Sox the same courtesy that was extended to them a year ago is just flat greedy and wrong. I’m not saying they don’t have the right to do it, but it certainly makes sure that they will not receive any “favors” like that from other teams ever again.

Bad business on the part of Toronto.

bjfan
3 years 9 months ago

The Red Sox extended the courtesy because Farrell was blocked and was offered a better job.  The same can’t be said in reverse.  As far as NO HOPE of contention, you need to take a look around outside of Boston.  The Jays may just shock your sox off this year, and it doesn’t have anything to do with the extra wild card.

3 years 9 months ago

I’m not hating on the Jays. They are a good team in a rough division. But to say that they will compete in 2012 or 2013 is wishful thinking to say the least. They have the money to get things done, no doubt. One of the richest ownerships in baseball. But so far, they have not made the moves to get that done. I like Anthopoulos and they are definitely heading in the right direction. But unless they shifted to the AL Central, they can’t compete with the Rays or Yankees. Forget the Sox if you want me to take an unbiased position.

Regardless, they are showing no class.

And just FYI, I do know a little more than a thing or two about the Jays. I’m a die-hard Roberto Alomar fan from the day I was born. Though my allegiance is to Boston, it doesn’t blind me to what goes on in the rest of the league.

bjfan
3 years 9 months ago

They are a much better team than you are giving them credit for.  But I will leave that.  They show no class, because they hired a manager and spent a year breaking him in with his new team.  And now, because you as a red sox fan want him, they should have let him go.  Well it doesn’t work that way, and I am sure that 99% of thinking red sox fans would say the same thing.  If the situation was reversed, I am pretty sure the Sox management would be saying no, to any team that came knocking.  And don’t bother using Francona as an example.  You guys kicked him to the curb.

It is not the Jays job to make it easier for the red sox.  If your team blew up and now you have a GM that doesn’t look like he has been given any power, and you can’t find anyone to take your manager’s job, it is not their fault.

3 years 9 months ago

Actually you are wrong. Teams that have extended courtesies such as that in the past have returned the favor more often then not. Hence why teams like the Sox allow their front office to be talked to.

And you can’t tell me a big market job like being the manager of the Red Sox in a brutal atmosphere is not a promotion. Handling the Sox and Jays are different monsters. The Jays are still a mid-market team. They don’t intend to increase payroll much in 2012 according to Anthopolous. Don’t shoot the messenger! And if you doubt me check the Forbes.com list.

Again, taking nothing away from the Jays. They are stuck in the hardest division in all of sports. Not just baseball. I totally empathize and encourage your hope and support of your team. But if I buy you an ice cream, it’s expected that next time we go out, you buy me one. That’s how a reciprocal relationship works.

3 years 9 months ago

FYI, Francona resigned.
link to hardballtalk.nbcsports.com

Also FYI, Lucchino always had the power in Boston.

1st call – Theo
2nd call – Lucchino
Final Call – Henry

Just replace Theo with Cherington. Again, a situation being blown completely out of proportion. I’m happy Lucchino didn’t allow them to sign Sveum. I was not a fan, though I wish him luck in Chicago!

3 years 9 months ago

In getting rid of Wells, Anthopoulos was like a magician.

Frank Drebin
3 years 9 months ago

Lol

blurnandez
3 years 9 months ago

“the Blue Jays had no hope of contention in 2012, 2013, and possibly longer prior to the new CBA”

Oh, really? 

3 years 9 months ago

Yes. Really. xFIP says that Morrow is one of the most underrated pitchers in baseball and I agree. He could be an ace. The farm is looking better. They dumped Wells. They are moving in the right direction. But they are not close to competing in the AL East with the Juggernauts that currently reign supreme there. I always liked the Jays.

Notice the “s” at the end of Juggernauts. I’m not even hating on the Yankees. I hope I’m wrong and they knock the Yanks or Rays out of contention. I’m actually on your side.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

lol you’re a joke

3 years 9 months ago

Ok… Meanwhile, back in reality:

1) The Jays are #27 on the 2011 MLB team value (bottom 4 if you can’t count) according to forbes’ list
2) Jays were 6th in offense in 2011 and not much improvement is expected (Yankees #2, Red Sox #1 in terms of run production) Once again. Tough division.
3) Jays were 24th in pitching in 2011 (Sox, Rays and Yankees all ranked higher even post-collapse in Boston’s case)
4) AA said prior to the new agreement that ownership was not granting him a higher payroll, and even the first Canadien source I looked at agrees:

“It is not a free pass to the postseason, and the idea of a one-game
playoff runs counter to the spirit of a 162-game schedule. But it became
a little easier to be a Toronto Blue Jays fan on Thursday, and if
you’re Paul Beeston and Alex Anthopoulos, a little easier to ask your
owner for more money.
Commissioner Bud Selig announced in
Milwaukee Thursday that Major League Baseball will add another wild-card
playoff team in each league as early as the 2012 season.”

Welcome back to earth. Wasn’t trying to be a hater, just a realist. You pushed the envelope, so I’m handing it back to you. That’s from Globe and Mail. Not too familiar with many Canadien papers, but from my understanding Jeff Blaire has a good reputation.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

wow you’re so much cooler for being a red sox fan, seriously so cool man.

just because you write a lot of words, doesn’t make you smart. I don’t even know why you are writing those things, yes jays we’re 24th in pitching.. okay? did i suggest otherwise? Would you like a cookie?

oh and you made up bullet #4, i dare you to find me a quote where anthopolous talks about not being extended payroll.

I don’t hate the red sox, or need to bash a red sox fan just because your argument about farrell is beyond stupid.

10 bucks says you have a pink red sox hat. /end

3 years 9 months ago

look down.

Sorry to crush your dreams. Support your team. But just because you want something to be true, does not make it so.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

lol you’re so bad at this.

cyberboo
3 years 9 months ago

So, let me see if I understand what you are saying.  Boston has a pitching coach that  sees Francona on the bench and he would love to manage a major league team one day.  Cito retires in Toronto and the Jays see potential in Farrell.  They ask Boston for permission to talk to him and like what he brings to the table.  He is hired for three years, so he can mature and grow with a young team and his goal is to manage them in the world series in 2013, when Toronto will be stacked with talent at every position, with a pitching staff and team averaging 25 years of age, not 35 or older.  He enjoys success in his rookie year, but Boston ‘choke’ in September and Francona is forced out, where he tenders his resignation.  What gratitude did he receive for two world series victories, he was bad-mouthed by the team, media, fans, because everyone held him responsible for losing.

Both Boston and Toronto share the same history – two world series wins in the last forty years.  It all comes down to one question.  If Farrell had led the Jays to a 59 – 103 loss year, would Boston have the slightest bit of interest in John Farrell? I’m pretty sure that this thread wouldn’t exist.  lol.   

3 years 9 months ago

The same article as above.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/mlb-changes-may-boost-blue-jays-postseason-hopes/article2240601/?utm_medium=Feeds%3A%20RSS%2FAtom&utm_source=Home&utm_content=2240601

“Anthopoulos said in an e-mail that the announcement wouldn’t change his approach to assembling his team, stressing that the goal was a “sustainable contender.”

And while there is a significant element of the fan base that still views with skepticism the assertion that club owners Rogers Communications is willing to foot a payroll in the neighbourhood of $125-million to $140-million when Anthopoulos decides the time is right, the general manager was clear that the added playoff team did not mean he was any more likely to pursue top-tier free agents this winter.”

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

haahahahahahahahahahahaha

so anthopolous says the goal is to be a sustainable contender and that his approach wouldn’t change because of a coin flip playoff game .

and to you that means,

“AA said prior to the new agreement that ownership was not granting him a higher payroll, and even the first Canadien source I looked at agrees”

I guess reading comprhension isn’t your strong point. All he’s saying is that he isn’t going to go nuts just because they added a 1 game playoff for an extra wild card. His plan remains the same, which is all pretty freaking obvious.

3 years 9 months ago

He said clearly “when the time is right.” That does not mean 2012. Likely doesn’t mean 2013. Obviously it is you who struggles with reading comprehension. You appear to only see what you want to, thus you are not one worth arguing with. Bring me an article where he says he is going to pursue top tier free agents and his goal is a 2012 World Series. You can’t. He never even hinted at it.

You made it up and claimed it to be true.
Blue Jays not likely to dive into free-agent pool, says GM. link to vancouversun.com
That’s the vancouver sun. Just stop. I don’t mean to be a hater, but obviously baseball is not your sport.

The fact that he’s not diving into the free agent pool means his team isn’t close enough and he’s likely to regret any big-time player deals. Teams that are close, will sign the guys they need to to make sure they make the playoffs.

Here’s MLB.com’s Gregor Chisholm’s take: “Toronto finds itself in a unique position because the club does not operate under a set salary structure. The Blue Jays have possessed a payroll of at least $70 million since 2006, but president Paul Beeston said it’s possible the club could spend close to $140-150 million in the future.

That’s not expected to happen this season and it’s likely the Blue Jays will need to see a jump in attendance before making that type of financial commitment. Until then, Anthopoulos will evaluate each move on a case-by-case basis before getting approval from Beeston and the Rogers ownership group to spend more money.

“I get asked all the time how much we have to spend and so on,” Anthopoulos said. “And Paul’s words to me are always, ‘Make your case,’ irrespective of who the player is.

“I don’t believe you have ‘X’ dollars to spend so let’s find a way to spend it. You’re limiting yourself to one offseason and one pool of players. My case to Paul [theoretically] is this is going to make us a stronger team and the value of the contract makes sense, it lines up long term, it’s not going to hamstring us, we’ll be in a good position.”

They learned their lesson signing Wells when they weren’t close. They lived to regret it. Your GM is being smart in not trying to win in 2012 and having an itchy trigger finger. Love him for it. Don’t hate on the Sox because you are frustrated. I would be too. The Jays deserve to make the playoffs one of these years.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

You’re the one who keeps stating your own opinion as fact from AA’s mouth. How do you know when the time is right? Did Alex Anthopolous call you personally? You don’t know and I don’t know, so why even begin to speculate?

I honestly don’t know if Anthopolous will or wont sign anyone this offseason, and I didn’t say otherwise. but guess what, you dont know either.

but you’re the one who said that AA came out and said the owners wouldn’t give him more money. All anthopolous said was that he wasn’t MORE likely to sign an FA because of stupid extra 1 game wild card. Which makes perfect sense, because why would any team aim to finish 5th in the AL.

I haven’t made up anything, in fact, I haven’t made one claim about anything. all i’m doing is challenging you on your argument and your facts. Which of course you weren’t able to back up or sustain.

on that note, I’ve wasted enough time replying to your posts. I don’t hate the red sox, I like the red sox stop acting like you represent all things boston and that i’m hating on the sox. I haven’t said one thing about the sox, I don’t need to stoop down to your level in order to feel good about myself. you just keep changing your argument with every post you make so this is all pretty pointless. You’re a just a prime example of why people love to hate on red sox fans.

3 years 9 months ago

Everything I sent you was quotes from AA himself and reputable sources. What did I make up?

He has said and again, I quote from Vancouver Sun:
““Again, I don’t know that you’ll ever see us, at this stage, delving
into extremely long contracts — seven, eight years, anything like that.”
That
is likely what it would take to sign free-agent sluggers Albert Pujols
and Prince Fielder, or starter C.J. Wilson. So for those Jays fans
hoping for Anthopoulos to delve deeply into the Rogers coffers, this,
once more, figures to be a disappointing winter.”

Do you not read before you respond?

No I’ve never talked to AA, but I have done my share of research as I was worried the Jays could swoop in on Ortiz. I don’t just spew garbage. Also I never said ownership wouldn’t give him the money. I said he won’t spend the money. Also, I haven’t changed my argument once. My argument is that the Jays without the additional wild card can’t win a World Series in 2012 or 2013. I don’t think any true baseball fan would argue that statement.

Lunchbox45
3 years 9 months ago

“AA said prior to the new agreement that ownership was not granting him a higher payroll, and even the first Canadien source I looked at agrees:”

how is not willing/wanting to sign Fielder or Pujols to 7 or 8 year contracts the same as ownership not granting him a higher payroll??

seriously, you have the arguements and logic of a windsor law drop out

kurtits
3 years 9 months ago

I just want to say to the commenter posting of how the Jays will not compete with the likes of the Yankees or Red Sox or the Rays: I have a hunch that you were saying the same things about the Rays in 2007. 

Ugh if one thing annoys me most is those that say the Jays cannot and will not compete in the future. The Rays have proved you wrong. Please stop assuming the Jays have no possibility of contending.

Frank Drebin
3 years 9 months ago

Yes, the Rays did it. automatically, that means the Jays are. Ok, got it.

kurtits
3 years 9 months ago

Not what I’m saying. It just resembles when everyone counted out the Rays, I’m not saying they make the world series next year, what I’m saying is don’t count teams as automatically no-way-in-hell-could-they-contend teams. You know?

kurtits
3 years 9 months ago

Also to the same poster, what’s not to understand about no lateral moves? No matter how highly you hold your Red Sox, this is not a triple A manager who isn’t allowed to get promoted (well in your mind it is it seems), this is a manager of a major league team, so no he cannot go and manage the Red Sox, considering he already manages the Jays. We’re classless too? I’m pretty sure we are happy for anyone getting a promotion, LaCava was offered a promotion in Baltimore he didn’t take, and I believe Lovullo is still in the ruining for the Red Sox manager. One word, DELUSION.

3 years 9 months ago

Francona already announced he will not accept interviews for 2012. He accepted one with the Cards because they won the World Series. He’s focused on his health and family. He’s a good man and it worked out well for him and his family.

RSN should wish Francona nothing but the best. I know I do. The best manager in Red Sox history.

Frank Drebin
3 years 9 months ago

Lol

Frank Drebin
3 years 9 months ago

Lol