No Leader In Garza Trade Talks

Matt Garza trade discussions have heated up over the past few days, but there's not yet any favorite to obtain the Cubs right-hander, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com, who adds that the Yankees, Blue Jays, Tigers, Red Sox and Marlins are all in the mix.

With the Cubs thought to be seeking young pitchers to replenish their farm system, the Yankees, Blue Jays and Tigers may ultimately hold an edge in pursuing Garza, Heyman speculates, as those clubs have pitching prospects and may be willing to spare them.

The Red Sox previously cited Garza as a compensation target for losing former GM Theo Epstein to the Cubs, according to Heyman, although it's not known whether they would pursue Garza as part of that compensation deal or separately.


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  1. Triple Hawpes Brewed 4 years ago

    So no news is news? Is this really worthy of its own story?

    • Josh Gedert 4 years ago

      If it’s a slow day, and it is.

    • MaineSox 4 years ago

       If it isn’t is it worth this comment?

      • diesel2410 4 years ago

        Burnnnn

        • John McFadin 4 years ago

          Triple Hawpes Burned, to be exact.

        • Triple Hawpes Brewed 4 years ago

          Couldnt care less about making friends on a message board. Everyone has a right to their opinion.

          • redsx968 4 years ago

            So you just had to let everyone know that your opinion is that you don’t really have one?

          • Triple Hawpes Brewed 4 years ago

            No you simpleton. CLEARLY my opinion was that this wasn’t worthy of its own story. Apparently you are the one with the vacuous insight.

          • redsx968 4 years ago

            I know your opinion is that you don’t give a %$*#, but then why share it in the first place. Never mind though. Not really sure why I even commented in the first place either. Also not that I care, and not that you need to be/should making friends on a message board, but hiding behind your computer and calling people simpleton;s with vacuous insight after you needlessly complained about a post is kinda unnecessary. Good night though. Happy new year to you too

          • captainjeter 4 years ago

            cyber  bully

          • PWNdroia 4 years ago

            You should expect news like this.  After all, it is a site dedicated to rumors, not actual news.

  2. I’d like one, ONE off-season move that the Blue Jays “are in the mix for” that they actually pick up. I like the off-season moves so far, but maybe one big name can come here?

    • MrBaseball29 4 years ago

      Darren Oliver

      • John McFadin 4 years ago

        While true, he did say big name at the end of his post, and Oliver hardly qualifies as a big name free agent.

        • cyberboo 4 years ago

          Garza isn’t a big-name player either.  He is a number three in many rotations, unless you are talking about the Astros, Pirates, or Orioles.  Then he becomes their number 2.  Contrary to public belief, a pitcher that has 23 starts of six innings and gets blown off the mound in eight other starts – giving up 6 or more runs isn’t anything more than a number three. 

          The Jays probably offered Jenkins, McGuire, and Sierra.  The Tigers are rumoured to have offered Turner, Smyly, and another prospect, and the Yankees are said to have offered Betances, Warren, Phillips, and perhaps another low minor.  That is what Epstein has to choose from.  None of the teams are offering more than one top ten pitching prospect, which is what Garza is worth.  

          • BDLugz 4 years ago

            Better let Lincecum know he’s only a number 3… same number of QS as Garza.  A pitcher with a FIP and xFIP at or below 3.00 is a big name player – trying to argue otherwise is stupid.

            Also, you need to look at WHY Garza didn’t last 6 innings in some of those starts.  At least two were rain shortened, which is not any fault of his.  The others had a lot to do with the Cubs defenders extending the innings for him through terrible defense.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            That would be a great argument if you were just looking at them from the perspective of 2011 and not including the two Cy Young years that Lince had. Great argument. By that logic then what would Ian Kennedy net? 

          • johnsilver 4 years ago

            Think the original poster may have missed their mark with Garza being a #3 in many rotation. Like maybe 3-4 at best teams he would, like Philly, Rays, Anaheim and maybe the SFG.

          • xcal1br 4 years ago

            Ouch, what does that say for the Cubs?  He’s our #1 starter.  :'(

          • cyberboo 4 years ago

            Wilson was the number one pitcher on Texas.  He is now the fourth starter on Anaheim, behind Weaver, Haren, and Santana, who are all better than he is.  He becomes the fourth starter on Detroit, behind Verlander, Fister, Scherzer.

            The point of the post is a pitcher is only as good as those in front of him in a rotation.  Garza would be the fourth or fifth starter on Philly, he wasn’t seen in the top five of Tampa, leading to his trade to the Cubs.  On Baltimore, he falls in behind Guthrie.  On the Giants, he is the fourth starter behind Lincecum, Cain, and Bumgarner. 

             It is hard to put his value on Florida if Johnson comes back healthy, since they also have Buehrle, the ace of the White Sox.  In Milwaukee, he is likely a third or fourth starter behind Greinke, Gallargo, Marcum, etc. Garza is third on the Yankees, fourth on the Red Sox.   Every team is different and he has to outpitch the guys ahead of him to move up a notch. 

            A bad year can just as easily knock players off rosters that were aces, as seen in 09 with Feldman in Texas.  He won 17 games, but in 2010, he fell off the map and is now a spot starter at best, because other pitchers outperformed him in the rotation.  Garza was in a rotation with the volatile Zambrano, Dempster didn’t do anything to warrant being in the one slot and Wells wasn’t much better.  Garza got the spot through default as the best of the bunch.  That doesn’t make him any better or worse than he is in reality. 

          • IndianaBob 4 years ago

            Wilson is better than Santana.  He was 7th in pitcher WAR last year in all of baseball, just ahead of Weaver.  Garza was tied for 12th.  Both of them had career years last years, so I would not rank them that high for 2012.  I would rank them both in the top 30 pitchers in baseball which would make them #1s by definition.

          • xcal1br 4 years ago

            Yeah, got all that the first time.  I was just lamenting the pathetic state of the Cubs roster.  Thanks for wasting my time though.

          • do you know what you’re talking about? 

          • cyberboo 4 years ago

            Hey, if you don’t agree, who cares.  I presented the facts and you have the right to disagree, but prove me wrong.  Prove that what I said isn’t accurate, leading to your opinion.  If you prove that I was wrong, then I will admit I’m wrong.  Will you do the same if you can’t? According to major league baseball rankings, Garza placed 26th out of the top forty pitchers in 2011. He was ranked lower than most of the pitchers I mentioned, leading to my opinion. I tend to trust major league baseball facts over someone’s opinion. lol.

          • Jamie Sayer 4 years ago

            Tigers laughed at the offer involving Turner and Smyly.

  3. MrBaseball29 4 years ago

    Yanks will get him

    • johnsmith4 4 years ago

      I don’t know…Yanks usually ask other team to pay for part of the salary if they have to give up good prospects.

      • melonis_rex 4 years ago

        LOL @ the Yankees asking for salary relief. 

        It’s absolutely nonsensical unless they’re taking on a legitimately bad/pricey contract.

        • johnsmith4 4 years ago

          They were doing it with Astros on Wandy Rodriguez at trade deadline.  Phillies did it to Blue Jays on Roy Halladay.

          The thinking behind it is, we give good signing bonuses to get these prospects, so we expect you to ante up when we send them your way.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            Yeah but Wandy had negative value so the request to have the Astros pick up his salary was a trade off if the ‘Stros wanted a real prospect. As for Halladay they were demanding a really big prospect return so it’s a bit different than the Garza situation.

            Even still, I don’t see the Yanks demanding the Cubs to eat any of his salary. I don’t even see them being willing to give up what Theo is asking for unless he’s willing to accept a deal with Betances being the best player (not that they couldn’t make it a great deal with some combo of other pieces like Mason Williams, Austin Romine, Adam Warren, Hector Noesi  or Ravel Santana included). 

          • johnsmith4 4 years ago

            Do you see anything motivating Cubs to deal Garza by spring training?

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            I think Theo wants to move him now while his value is at it’s highest but it doesn’t mean he will accept what he might feel is a subpar deal to do so. 

            The question is, are his demands right now even realistic? 

          • his demands couldnt be realistic. he wants to clean out another teams farm to fill his up for only one player. the yankees should offer AJ for carlos zambrano, their salary is close to each others, although it would be one head case for another, the yankees pitching coach had fixed zambranos mentality for a couple months 2 years ago, maybe he can do it again in new york? but as far as garza goes, i would rather see betances and banuelos maybe even phelps up in the majors first before trading them off

          • johnsmith4 4 years ago

            I agree with your demands question but might rephrase it to “Does Theo have the right buyers for what he expects in return?”.  As much as people like to talk about Yankee payroll, Yankees know how to value shop with the best of them.  I also believe AA moved Blue Jays into that category.  Red Sox have been one of the best value shoppers and seem to remain on that track with new management.

            In my opinion, Cubs need a central or NL West division team who see Garza as a final piece for their pennant push.  Many of them already made their move this year or last year to get “that” pitcher.  Without these type of buyers, it will be hard for Theo to get “full value” for Garza.

          • speculation and a completely different organization, wonderfully supported argument

          • johnsmith4 4 years ago

            ok…if you disagree…put down your ideas…or…do you just have an empty head

        • John McFadin 4 years ago

          Regardless of payroll, asking for salary relief is NEVER nonsensical.

  4. thekoshow 4 years ago

    come on rockies.

  5. Josh Gedert 4 years ago

    I don’t see how the Tigers aren’t favorites if they are willing to include Jacob Turner. Between all these teams, Turner is the best player available and the Yankees prospects are very overrated.

    • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

      Right…every prospect rating is legit except for the Yanks and Red Sox. Sickles, Mayo, Heyman, Calis, etc are all on the payroll….Mohahahahahaha (rubbing hands together in a seriously sinister fashion as I laugh).

      Not like you guys have had any highly touted disappointing prospects right? I mean you did have the superbly touted group of Verlander, Maybin, Miller, Porcello, Perry, Bonderman and Inge. That’s the proverbial 1 rock star and a bunch of Tito’s, Ringo’s and Jan Brady’s (Marsha, Marsha, Marsha).

      We’ll just call that the “Motor City bias”. K?

      • Josh Gedert 4 years ago

        “Mohahahahahaha (rubbing hands together in a seriously sinister fashion as I laugh).”

        Oh..my..gosh.

      • Josh Gedert 4 years ago

        Actually, I never said the Red Sox prospects were overrated. The Yankees prospects are, however. The Killer B’s aren’t even close to Turner skill wise. Need to learn how to throw strikes first. And find me a prospect that is better than Turner from these teams. Only one is Montero and the Yankees probably won’t trade him.

        • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

          So what motivation does the industry have for overrating all Yankee prospects? They risk their credibility for free minor league rankings for what purpose?
          Also, I assume that the package would be Turner + others vs “Top pitching prospect” + others from other teams. Even if we agree that Turner is the best pitching prospect offered by all the mentioned teams (Yanks and Jays fans would probably disagree) then are the Tigers willing to add 2 of Castellanos/Crosby/Olliver to make the deal happen? They would have to since most of the other top prospects like Westlake, Collins, McCann, Flynn all came from the 2011 draft class and can’t be traded yet. 

          The Yanks however can offer Betances + others and still not kill their depth as they have several near mlb ready pitchers aside from Banuelos (Noesi, Warren, Phelps, Stoneburner, etc) as well as some superfluous up the middle prospects like C’s (Romine, Sanchez, Murphy), CF’s (Mason Williams, Ravel Santana, Slade Heathcott) and SS/2B (Culver, Gumbs, Nunez, Adams, Joseph). 

          Betances + Sanchez + Noesi + Adams or Betances + Mason + Noesi + Phelps would probably be enough and not hurt our depth at all (not saying Cashman would do either deal but but to show how much depth there is).

          • $1519287 4 years ago

            If I’m Theo, I would take the package that has the best prospect available, which in my opinion, would be Turner,  given other players involved are at least somewhat comparable. 

            I just don’t see why the Tigers are even in the sweepstakes. Their pitching is all right as is. And adding Turner to the rotation could potentially have a greater effect than trading for Garza. At this point, Turner would need to be a 4/5 pitcher, which means minimal pressure, just let the kid develop. 

            Also, the SP market this year has been ridiculous! Gio, Garza, etc… yeah, they’re good pitchers, but the prices teams are paying are exorbitant. Just doesn’t make sense to me for Detroit. For Yanks, however, it does because their rotation is a question mark after CC.

            – ECB

          • BDLugz 4 years ago

            So by bringing up Sickels you agree that Banuelos’ ceiling is a #3 and Betances is a #2 if everything goes perfect for him, but likely he ends up being a set up guy?

            Yeah… comparing that kind of value to turner and saying that’s near equal is completely incorrect.  I’d take about 3 of the Blue Jays top pitching prospects over either of the Bs, and I’d take Turner and Smyly over either as well.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            When did I reference Sickels? And no I think Bans can be better than a #3. And no I don’t see how he “more than likely ends up being a set up guy”. And if YOU want to reference Sickels then do so correctly. What he said, in part, in reference to Bets was..

            ” Depending on what happens with his command, he could develop into anything from a number two starter to a disappointing mop-up man”.

            Ceiling = #2 starter
            Floor= mop up guy (obviously he can be a mlb pitcher but a HUGE disappointment obviously).

          • jjs91 4 years ago

            By bringing up sickels youre saying turner is a number two you realize this right?

          • slider32 4 years ago

            Mayo rates Turner 7, Banuelos 13, Betances  22, and none from the Jays. Sickels has Smyly and Oliver Bs, and 5 Jays pitchers B+, Molina, Syndergaard, Nicolino, Norris, McGuire, and Huchinson. I safe to say all these pitchers are gems and worth looking at if your Theo.

          • Josh Gedert 4 years ago

            How would Yankees and Jays fans disagree that any of their pitching is better than Turner? The Killer B’s are rated below Turner in every ranking and Drabek isn’t really a stud prospect anymore.

            I don’t care about depth because the Tigers don’t either. Turner + Crosby/Oliver + 2 lower prospects would beat the Yankees offer as they don’t want to offer both of the Batances and Banuelos.

          • Josh Gedert 4 years ago

            Whoops, nevermind.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            Maybe in your world Turner + Cosby/Oliver rank hire than what ever else the Yanks or Jays offer. You’re stating an opinion.

            As for Turner vs Bans, correct, Turner was ranked 10 I think on BA’s mid-summer list and Bans was 13. Wow.. HUGE DIFFERENCE. Just because BA saw it that way doesn’t mean Theo would agree. And that’s not to diminish or call into question the validity of the rankings at that time. However, IF Turner at HIS BEST is a 10 and Bans with control issues is only 3 listing behind then how much better might Bans be if he can return his control back to what it was pre-2011? 

            Amazing how you demolish Betances because of his control and then mention Oliver and Crosby BOTH of whom had major control issues.

            Let’s use some lists since you mentioned it. 

            Considering their depth (and that does matter) IF, and I’m not saying the Yanks would, offer..

            Betances (ranked #26 mid-season) + Gary Sanchez (fell from #30 pre-season, did not appear in the top 50 mid-summer, will almost certainly be a top 100 pre-2012) + some combo of Williams (probably top 100)/Heathcott/Santana + Noesi/Warren/Phelps (all at or above AAA)

            is as competitve if not better than..

            Turner + Oliver/Crosby (Oliver was #87 but will almost certainly fall out of top 100, Crosby hasn’t been top 100 since 2010 and won’t be in 2012) + whatever else they have to offer outside of their 2011 draft class (they might include 1 but I can’t see more than that as a PTBNL).

            So the Yanks can offer a SP prospect ranked top 50, a 19 year old C prospect, a CF prospect and 1 mlb ready pitching prospect with a #3/#4 ceiling and it won’t hurt their depth one bit. That’s at least two top 100 prospects and maybe 3 if Mason Williams breaks the list this year. Sickels ranked him aggressively as a “B” prospect and BA ranked him as the Yanks 5th best prospect.

            Depth absolutely matters as no team wants to gut their system for Garza who most view as a #2 at best. This is BA’s Yanks top 10 for 2011/12:

            Jesus Montero
            Manny Banuelos
            Dellin Betances
            Gary Sanchez
            Mason Williams
            Dante Bichette Jr.
            Ravel Santana
            Austin Romine
            J.R. Murphy
            Slade HeathcottThat’s 2 starting pitchers, 3 decent to strong candidates to stick at C and 1 C with question marks defensively and 3 CF’ers. In addition, 4 mlb ready pitchers in Noesi, Warren, Phelps and Mitchell who all project anywhere from #3 ceilings to #5’s.

            Theo could immediately add two to the rotation by 2013, trade and replace Soto and add another CF to the system if he has questions about Jackson.

            Tigers have Turner and a lot of depth of lefty pitchers but they all have control issues and aren’t nearly as dominant as Betances is, despite the same control issues. Flynn looks good but was drafted in 2011 and not sure if he would be moved as PTBNL

          • Dan_O62 4 years ago

            As much as I’d like to see Det get Garza, you’re offer does offer more meat in my view. Noesi/Phelps are immediate young 4/5 guys, while either Betances or Banuelous are No. 2 potential. Add a position player like Williams or Sanchez and I don’t know if the Tigers can come close to that depth. Turner true could be a No. 1 type, but he could equally turn into a Porcello… Make that deal Cashman!

        • bronxbrain 4 years ago

          Banuelos is a better pitching prospect than anyone being offered for Garza, including Turner.  I’m amazed at how some fans are so locked in resentment toward the Yankees that they continue to tow the standard line that Yankee prospects are overrated.  This is sheer nonsense.

          • $1519287 4 years ago

            In fairness, Ban walks a lot of batters right now. Not saying it isn’t correctable, but I would give Turner the edge today, but wouldn’t be surprised if both had stellar careers. 

            If Ban is offered, there’s definitely a tough decision to make. But if it’s package headlined by Betances, Theo would probably lean towards the Tigers’ package headlined by Turner. 

            But Ban being a lefty is definitely appealing!

            – ECB

          • FamousGrouse 4 years ago

            No one thought Arodys Vizcaino was overrated.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            Of course not. He wasn’t even ranked as a top 100 at the time when he was traded. If he remained a Yankee THAT’S when he becomes overrated. With the Braves he’s just another bonafide can’t miss.

          • JacksTigers 4 years ago

            Wow. I’ll agree that Banuelos is a good pitching prospect, but he is not a better prospect than Turner. I have not seen a single [non-Yankee fan] say that Banuelos is better. ‘This is sheer nonsense.’

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            I’m not going to argument Man is better but I don’t see the Turner is “obviously” better either. One was ranked 10th and the other 13th. One is a lefty. Both great prospects though. Don’t want to give the impression that I DON’T think he’s a great prospect. 

          • Josh Gedert 4 years ago

            HAHAHAHA! Banuelos better than Turner is a JOKE. Find me a ranking that has him ahead of Turner. Needs to learn how to throw strikes. I’ll call that Bronx bias, eh?

          • JTT11 4 years ago

            Turner and ManBan are two completely different types of pitchers and comparisons between the two are difficult.  turner is a big strong hard thrower.  ManBan is more like an Andy Pettite.

            Having the good fortune to reside in Scranton, i have had the opportunity to watch both of them pitch.  Also I have had the opportunity to BS with some of the AAA pitching coaches who were cool/drunk enough to talk shop with a commoner.  One of the things that i had discussed was ManBan’s walks…I was told that many of his walks were the result of development and tweeking of two new out pitches.  Other times the staff instructed ManBan to rely only on a few new pitches and that walks were acceptable – The intent with this was to put manny in jams and then allow him to use all of his pitches to get himself out of it.

            A buddy of mine had been c*ck blocked by Brian Burress on several different occasions.  Just wanted to mention that.

          • xcal1br 4 years ago

            Don’t want this to come off as jerky, but could you list some of the successful major leaguers that have come out of the Yankees farm system in the last ten years or so.  Aside from Jeter and Rivera twenty years ago, I can’t think of any, but I am a National League guy, so I don’t really keep up on them.

          • typical yankee fan.the yanks have good prospects,then again so does everybody else.you just got to be willing to part with them.as far as banuelos.he might be a better pitching prospect than turner.only time will time.i actually think smyly is slightly ahead of both of them.my opinion.besides the yankees if they trade banuelos,they could always buy him back in 3 or 4 years.lol

        • ok in 2011 betances had a 2.62 ERA and held hitters to a .197 batting average. 10.2 k/9 ratio and a 6.2 H/9 ratio. yeah thats overrated. Montero has already proven he can hit in the majors, Romine is a very good defensive catcher who can also hit (.279 avg and a .343 OBP) although not for power he gets extra base hits. Sanchez their other catching prospect although he has a .256 avg, he has a .485 slugging % and 17 HR’s. Heathcott who has the potential to be another brett gardner has great speed but also has the potential to hit for power. phelps antoher pitcher had 2.99 ERA with 95 K’s in 2011 and a career 31-8 record. yeah he dont have a blazing fastball but his location is great. and he has decent second and third pitches. so no their prospects are not overrated.

          • JacksTigers 4 years ago

            More times than not, Yankee prospects are overrated. It’s not that they are bad players, it’s just that when you are in a large market, people tend to over value you. This happens a lot on the east coast. Ike Davis, Lars Anderson, and Phil Hughes all fall into this. But I don’t think Montero and Betances are one of these players. I think those two are special talents. I think that Montero will have a career similar to David Ortiz (with BOS) and Betences will compare to Jair Jurrjens.

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            What’s the profit in an expert overrating a Yankee prospect? Keep in mind, most prospects are not playing in NY!!! These are guys scurrying from town to town watching games in cities like Scranton, Greensville, Peoria. It irks me when ppl dismiss what the “experts” say and blame it on bias. It’s not a conversation based on logic and it’s nothing that can be debated upon. Fans overrate prospects according to the team. I can’t see experts doing it.
            As for Hughes, Joba and IPK…

            Hughes- 2.35 ERA in 65 minor league starts and 10 k/9, 2.2 BB/9 ratio in 344 IP. 1st rnd pick.

            Joba- 2.45 ERA in 15 starts and a 13.8 vs 2.8 BB/9 ratio in 88 IP (only pitched 1 season in minors before mlb debut all in same year). 1st rnd pick.

            IPK- 1.95 ERA in 43 starts and a 9.9 K/9 vs 2.8 BB/9 in 248 IP. 1st rnd pick.

            (Didn’t have combined FIP’s avail).

            All dominant. All deserved to be top 10-50 prospects. Just because they struggle/fail doesn’t mean they weren’t ranked properly.

            Now Brackman….you would have a point (although he was never a top 50).

          • Who’s that Jackson guy doing for ya?

          • RationalSportsFan 4 years ago

            7 WAR in two years.

          • RationalSportsFan 4 years ago

            “More times than not, Yankee prospects are overrated”

            True, but so is the following…”More times than not, prospects are overrated.” 

            Most prospects fail to live up to their projections.

          • jjs91 4 years ago

            Its actually the opposite when your in a big market prospects tend to be looked at more and people make bigger deals of their flaws.thats why no one ever talked about wang, or cano. And thats also why people actually think joba failed as a starter even though his peripheals werent that bad for someone his age. Besides like 78 already showed ipk, hughes and joba all deserved their rankings.

            And ike davis? Really he was the 62 ranked prospect and ended up posting a 800 ops his rookie year and was doing great in his second how exactly is he overrated?

    • Talks would probably snag on the secondary prospects that Detroit would have to include. Personally, I wouldn’t trade Turner for anything less than a legit number one. Garza is a good #2 pitcher, but IMO they’d be better off holding on to Turner and grabbing Oswalt.

    • kubphan82 4 years ago

      Except the prospect of receiving Banuelos, equally ready for the majors and the likes of Betances … I don’t presume to know where the talks are, but the Cubs keep negotiations open through considering different collective hauls… 

      What if the Yankees are considering Soriano as DH/LF, which is nowhere on the radar right now, and that seriously keeps them in consideration.  They had an offensive issue last year as well as pitching (At least by Yankee standards and fans).

      • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

        Yanks aren’t bringing Soriano back to NY. They have Gardner in left and Montero set to be their DH/C. Plus I doubt they want to go over the luxury tax for the likes of him.

        • kubphan82 4 years ago

          I agree… I’m just saying that the reality of keeping the Yankees interested, or any other club is in the best interest of the Cubs, to drive up the price… And that could include eating all but 4 mill a year for Soriano… In any case, the best deal will be accepted and the Cubs are not waiting for Texas.

    • jjs91 4 years ago

      Maybe its because the tigers have one of the worst systems and the yankees have one of the best systems? Turner was ranked 5 spots higher than banulas in the mid season to 20 but i doubt the the cubs just want one prospect in return so it really doesn’t matter. 

      • Josh Gedert 4 years ago

        I’ll agree with that.

        • theo has already made it clear that he wants more then one top prospect from a team. there must be something in the air in chicago because both chicago teams GM’s are over valuing their SP’s and trying to empty out other teams farm systems.

        • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

          Well gee that was my point to begin with. Did I say it with a nasty tone or something? haha.

      • JacksTigers 4 years ago

        The Yankees have an above average farm system, not great. It hase a couple of great talents but overall, it is not one of the best.

        • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

          System was ranked anywhere from #5 to #9 so that would qualify as “one of” the best not THEE best.

          They did have 6 top 100 prospects last year and might have at least 4 to 5 this year (Montero, Bans, Bets, Sanchez and possibly either/both of Romine and WIlliams). Maybe even more depending on how aggresive they are with some of the lower guys but I doubt it considering how they like to be equally aggressive with recent draft classes and considering how deep it was I expect 10-15 guys who’ve never played to be inside the top 100. That might push some borderline guys  like Romine off the top 100.

          • JacksTigers 4 years ago

            One of the best would be the top three. In what world is 33% considered one of the best. That would mean that the Angels were one of the best teams in baseball as they were in the top 10 of all teams but only won 86 games and were ninth in RD.

        • jjs91 4 years ago

          I would say a top ten system is one of the best. Either way its alot better than det.

          • JacksTigers 4 years ago

            Where did I say it was better than Detroit?

          • jjs91 4 years ago

            Where did i claim that you did? Either way saying the yankees dont have one of the best farm systems when most scouts rank them top ten is very wrong. ANd supports the aruement of how underrated the yankee prospects are. Guys like gardner, and robertson only seem to get the respect they deserve only once they make it too the show and prove themselves.

          • JacksTigers 4 years ago

            Either way its alot better than det.

            There was no point of having that in the comment unless you were insinuating that I had stated that the Tigers had a better minor league system than that of the Yankees.

          • jjs91 4 years ago

            Huh its a direct reference to the original comment which was that the tigers have the best shot at garza, it serve the purpose of saying that your comment on whether or not the yankees have one of the best systems in no way effects the intial statement.

          • JacksTigers 4 years ago

            Then reply to who you were talking about, not me.

          • jjs91 4 years ago

            I was replying to you because you were nitpicking on a point that doesnt change anything. If you want to pointlessly argue whether or not a system ranked between 5 and  9 is technically one of the best go ahead, but it takes nothing away from the original comment.

    • slider32 4 years ago

      Turner is an A prospect, I am wondering why the Tigers might want to trade him.

  6. melonis_rex 4 years ago

    It has to be hinging on the Rangers and Darvish. You have to bet that if the Rangers aren’t able to sign Darvish, they’re going to make a really nice offer for Garza.

    • there’s a better chance of darvish getting struck by lightning than him not signing

      • JacksTigers 4 years ago

        I once learned in math class that you have a 1 in 560,000,000 chance of being struck by lighning while riding a unicycle in Nebraska. I’m not sure where my teacher got that stat from but I imagine it is from the same person as wherever you heard that from.

    • kubphan82 4 years ago

      The Cubs will not wait for Texas, but if a package doesn’t come along and Texas lost the talks, then the Cubs will listen… But they’re plans wouldn’t wait a month to see what happens there..

  7. JacksTigers 4 years ago

    Well, my birthday is tomorrow, so if Dombrowski wants to get me something good, then Garza would be a pretty nice gift.

  8. johnsmith4 4 years ago

    Maybe Blue Jays Yankees & Red Sox are holding out to see if Brewers have difficulty extending Zach Greinke plus what will be the impact of K-Rod arbitration.

    • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

      After all that off field stuff about him not wanting to play in a big market, I doubt it…

      If the brewers dont hang around before the deadline, I could see them selling off a lot of pieces.

      • Caballo14 4 years ago

        Actually Greinke has stated that he would pitch for the Yankees

        • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

           didn’t/doesn’t he have them blocked in his ntc?

          • RationalSportsFan 4 years ago

            Players block the Yankees, because they know the Yankees will restructure their deals and give them more money so that the player will approve the deal.

          • Lunchbox45 4 years ago

            has that ever happened?

          • RationalSportsFan 4 years ago

            Not sure, but I have heard that explanation given for many different players.  It seems reasonable.

        • Ohhh, it was his other personality that said that.

  9. Tired_OF_FakeRumors 4 years ago

    Is next years draft a deep one? 

    • Ferrariman 4 years ago

      no.  Its top heavy with great high school talent, some college but you won’t find great talent after the 3rd/4th round like one could in this previous draft..or so i’ve read thus far.

  10. Look at all these foolish teams interested in Garza: Yankees, Blue Jays, Tigers, Red Sox and Marlins. Which one of these teams is going to make Epstein look like a Genius again? You’re all fools if you do! Maybe someone will take a flyer on Joe Blanton rather than get fleeced by Epstein.

    • verlander 4 years ago

      //Which one of these teams is going to make Epstein look like a Genius again?//

      It would be ironic if it was the Red Sox.

      But . . . I don’t get this comment. Garza’s a good pitcher, and any of the teams in the mix would be happy to have him.

      • yeah i dont get this comment either. Garza has been a pretty good pitcher the last few years, and to be honest he would fit in the AL east, he is use to those teams and knows how to pitch to them. but does the redsox even have the prospects to give for garza? i mean after they delt for Gonzalez last winter, then delt for malancon and bailey this off season. i would think the sox would be looking for a RF instead of SP concidering their set 1 through 3.

      • RationalSportsFan 4 years ago

        From the Tigers viewpoint, I do not see how it makes sense to yield 6 year of Turner for two years of Garza at about $20MM total.  The fact that the price seems to be Turner PLUS other pieces should make the Tigers extremely hesitant.

    • I like Matt Garza, but yea, someone will get hosed.

  11. Neil Tatro 4 years ago

    haters gonna hate

  12. bigpat 4 years ago

    Super Cool Story Bro!!!

  13. LaffitesLanding 4 years ago

    Theo doesn’t have to trade Garza. If Garza can’t bring the Cubs back what Theo wants, he can keep him. The Cubs need at least 3 and possibly 4 prospects for him. Period. At least one B+ or A- prospect, one B level prospect and one or two B-, C+ or C prospects for him. Period. If a team wants him, that’s what he’s worth. If not, the Cubs should keep him. Garza is a very good pitcher. He could be a difference maker for some team and Theo/Hoyer should not let him go for less than that type of package. Period. 

    • iacubfan 4 years ago

      Keep Matt Garza. Theo himself said that Garza is someone to build around. So start building.

  14. The reason why is garza stinks and no one will give up all of there best prospects for a guy who can badly win 15 games

    • BlueCatuli 4 years ago

      Because wins are an important stat for a pitcher. You clearly know nothing about assessing a baseball player’s value or talent. Maybe your new years resolution should be to educate yourself.

    • HerbertAnchovy 4 years ago

      You might want to introduce yourself to pitching peripherals, unless you like making a fool of yourself that is.

  15. slider32 4 years ago

    Looks like Theo is driving up the price,

  16. BoSoXaddict 4 years ago

    Taking in to account the compensation issue, perhaps the Sox could swing something like Ranaudo/Doubront and a few other prospects? Theo obviously knows the system well enough to pick out a couple young pitchers and a few other guys he likes personally. Even if the compensation doesn’t translate in too much of a discount…Sox NEED another starter and Garza fits the bill perfectly IMO.

  17. kubphan82 4 years ago

    It’s  more like instead of getting 2 MLB ready prospects and 2 young developmental guys, the Cubs would get one less developmental guy and the RSox would announce that player as being “saved” and receiving Garza.. IMO..

  18. Encarnacion's Parrot 4 years ago

    -Jasko

  19. do you really think the red sox are going to get anything beyond a warm body at this point?

  20. Neil Tatro 4 years ago

    u think the cubs offered not to sign any bosox personell for 3 years just to be nice? lol there is no more compensation outside of that.. and if there is, it will be a very tiny piece. garza is the key to the cubs rebuild, he will NOT be traded as any type of compensation.

  21. This is exactly what I was trying to say earlier. Teams would be very foolish to give up on young pitchers like Kyle Drabek or Jacob Turner in order to obtain Garza.

    I would give the Cubs nothing and tell them to like it on Facebook!

  22. LaffitesLanding 4 years ago

    Seriously. Letting Garza get away for two B/C level prospects and nothing else would do far more to cripple the Cubs than keeping him would. I mean, how terrible to make them keep a top of the rotation starter. Oh the Humanity! 

  23. Pawsdeep 4 years ago

    Pretty sure the offer involved one or the other. Of course, the package containing smyly would have to have something extra in it, but I read that the tigers weren’t keen on the package involving both.

  24. xcal1br 4 years ago

    It’s really not worth exploring because it is in the realm of winning the lottery.  Never going to happen.  Garza and Castro are the Cubs only assets at this point.  You cannot rationally believe that Cubs management would even consider letting Garza go for a reduced package just to help lessen the already miniscule compensation they will be getting.  It’s absurd and not even worth talking about.  Quit wasting everyone’s time.  :)

  25. To be fair, those are some pretty big mothers

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