Blue Jays, White Sox Discussed Gavin Floyd

7:17pm: The Red Sox and Orioles had interest in Floyd over the winter and Baltimore had talks that nearly resulted in a deal, a source told Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com.

TUESDAY, 7:32am: The Blue Jays and White Sox have discussed many players, but there's no evidence that serious talks regarding Floyd have taken place, Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com tweets.

MONDAY, 9:12pm: "I am not looking to move [Floyd]," White Sox GM Kenny Williams said in an e-mail to MLB.com's Scott Merkin.

2:12pm: The Blue Jays continue pursuing White Sox right-hander Gavin Floyd, Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports report. Toronto GM Alex Anthopoulos has interest in upgrading the club's rotation before Opening Day, the FOX reporters add.

The Blue Jays and White Sox have had dialogue about Floyd since Spring Training began, according to Rosenthal and Morosi. The 29-year-old will earn $7MM in 2012 and his contract includes a $9.5MM club option for 2013. Henderson Alvarez and Dustin McGowan currently profile as the club's fourth and fifth starters. Alvarez has just ten big league appearances and though McGowan is looking sharp this spring, he has struggled to stay healthy in recent years, appearing in just five big league games since 2008.

The Blue Jays' pitching staff includes two relievers who were traded to Toronto after finishing the 2011 season with the White Sox: closer Sergio Santos and right-hander Jason Frasor. Anthopoulos and GM Kenny Williams have completed three trades since last summer, as MLBTR's Transaction Tracker shows.


140 Responses to Blue Jays, White Sox Discussed Gavin Floyd Leave a Reply

  1. Personally, I think this has more to do with questions about Cecil than either of Alvarez or McGowan at this point.

    • JP 3 years ago

      Agreed.

      I don’t think Floyd is a front end starter, particularly in the AL East, but if the price is right I think the Jays could use a reliable arm in the middle of the rotation. 

      Romero and Morrow should be good.  Alvarez and McGowan are exciting.  But Cecil’s velocity was down again this spring, and Drabek seems to be going through a major delivery overhaul.  Adding another arm seems smart.

      • Joey Doughnuts 3 years ago

        Floyd is a very solid #3 starter who has a lot of success vs. AL East teams in his career.

    • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

      none of those issues are new.

  2. eriqjaffe 3 years ago

    I can’t help but have a bad feeling that somehow, the White Sox and Jays will wind up doing something that winds up with the Sox re-acquiring Jason Frasor.

    • $22264602 3 years ago

      Floyd and Nestor Molina for Frasor?

      • Twisted86 3 years ago

         uhh….I don’t think even Ken Williams is THAT stupid.

  3. Coollet 3 years ago

    Will this prevent our youth from attaining the show? I dont know if im a fan of this, but AA is the man. If he thinks this is the way to go, then i’m in.

    • He’s only under contract for 1+1 years, so it shouldn’t make a whole lot of difference.  If he’s worth retaining after that, it will mean that he’s better than the youth anyway.

  4. Ángelo Bastardo 3 years ago

    I agree
    But I don’t Like Floyd in AL East

  5. Im really pulling for McGowan this season. WHen hes right, hes filthy. Seems like there are so many of these guys though that just cant stay on the mound.

  6. He is not a front end starter but he is a useful innings eater who can get hot and will cost a nice haul especillay for 16.5 million for next 2 years. I would start with Gose and McGuire….maybe throw in the catcher from A ball. Jimenez…

    • johnsmith4 3 years ago

      I doubt it….but….don’t let it stop you from dreaming

    • BVHjays 3 years ago

      We’re talking about 1 year plus an option of a good, not great, pitcher that isn’t terribly cheap. One good prospect or two decent ones is likely all the White Sox can reasonably expect.

      • No actually you are definately talking about 2 years of control for 16.5 million dollars. If you ask any mlb team (some who just paid 4/5 starters like John Lackey and AJ Burnett 18 million per year) if they can get a good 3.5/4 starter for 8.25 for the next 2 years and then possibly a draft opick or two you would have to start with some prospects.

        To me Deck is interchangeable on his ceiling as some of the others but he is closer to MLB. Jimenez is a top 20 catcher but a ways from contributing and has alot of factors that can cause a collapse or a rise. I can agree with Gose being one guy AA wants to stick with but I dont see another positional player unless you are interested in a PTBNL and then trading Jacob Anderson?

      • No actually you are definately talking about 2 years of control for 16.5 million dollars. If you ask any mlb team (some who just paid 4/5 starters like John Lackey and AJ Burnett 18 million per year) if they can get a good 3.5/4 starter for 8.25 for the next 2 years and then possibly a draft opick or two you would have to start with some prospects.

        To me Deck is interchangeable on his ceiling as some of the others but he is closer to MLB. Jimenez is a top 20 catcher but a ways from contributing and has alot of factors that can cause a collapse or a rise. I can agree with Gose being one guy AA wants to stick with but I dont see another positional player unless you are interested in a PTBNL and then trading Jacob Anderson?

    • expos94 3 years ago

      I was thinking the sox should just give him to the jays in return for stealing the great talent that is Alex Rios a few years ago 

      In all seriousness I don’t think Gose moves unless its in a package for a top of the rotation guy

      • I agree with this. I can’t see AA trading Gose for anyone not named Felix (out of the names that could possibly be out there). Lets remember, Gose is a guy AA wanted in the Halladay deal but Philly refused. So AA waited and got him in the deal that sent Oswalt to the Astros. He LOVES this guys toolbox and will be VERY hesitant to part with him.

        Floyd is decent not good.

        • MetsMagic 3 years ago

          There’s no chance that Felix will be on the block, so Gose will stay where he is. And he very well should. He’s really a burner on the basepaths and between Lawrie, Rasmus, and him, the Blue Jays suddenly look extremely athletic. 

          Imagine the outfield of Gose, Rasmus, and Bautista. Wow. 

          • Mick_In_Ithaca 3 years ago

             If Rasmus is still with the Jays when Gose arrives for good, Bautista won’t be in the outfield anymore. An outfield of Gose, Rasmus and Snider would be terrific defensively. It wouldn’t surprise me if Bautista is at 1B next year.

          • Defensively the OF of Gose, Rasmus and Marisnick would be SICK!! Jose will eventually be moved to 1st I assume.

    • jacks100 3 years ago

      There is absolutely zero chance the Jays trade Anthony Gose or Deck McGuire for a 4/5 starter.

    • JP 3 years ago

      Well, take the Edwin Jackson trade.  The White Sox got Zack Stewart (a decent young arm, not a top prospect though) and Frasor in return.

      I would think you could expect a bit better haul than that because we’re talking about 2 years of control versus a couple months + a pick.  But definitely not Gose+McGuire.

  7. Bombastic_Dave 3 years ago

    i.e., if it were really happening, we wouldn’t hear about it.

    Mike Wilner ‏ @Wilnerness590
    If you’re hearing it, it’s probably not happening.
    @Aaron_mcdevitt: @Wilnerness590 thoughts on the jays chasing Gavin Floyd?

    • stl_cards16 3 years ago

      I find it funny that whenever the Jays are mentioned in something that there are fans that say if it was true we wouldn’t be hearing about it.  You do realize even IF it was true that we never heard anything about what the Jays were doing, there has to be another team involved in a trade.  So unless AA can make the other teams front office not speak about anything, it could get leaked.

      • Bombastic_Dave 3 years ago

        Yes, I did realize there are two (or more) teams involved in a trade.  Not sure how closely you follow Jays trades, but I can’t say I remember the last time I heard rumours prior to a Jays move.  Santos, Lawrie, Escobar, Rasmus, Cordero — the press release was the first notice.  

        So even though in each of these cases there were other teams involved, no rumours were leaked.  Can’t speak about the veracity of the following claim, but it stands to reason that Anthopoulos has requested that other team involved in the trade keep quiet to its completion.

        More to the point, JPM generally seems to be talking out of his hat about the Jays.

        • Bombastic_Dave 3 years ago

          You can’t use the derogatory term for posterior?  Really?

        • johnsmith4 3 years ago

          Sorry….but…there were rumours about Jays interest in Lawrie, Rasmus, and Cordero before the press release.

          However, AA does limit the leaks by limiting the number of people allowed in the room during discussions.  He prefers to have private talks with other GM but will allow one additional person.  This minimizes the leaks and helps identify the potential source of any leak.

          During Winter meetings, the general convention is to have a bunch of people from each organization in the room while having talks.

          • Yes, there were rumours about the Jays being interested in Rasmus and Lawrie. But the rumours were not even close to when the trades came down and they were pure speculation. When the trades happened it was a shock and no one was talking about it at all. I guess if the Jays trade for Floyd in 2 years without a peep you can turn to this thread and say you knew it the whole time. (I’m aware Floyd is a FA in 2 years but you get my point).

      • You can find it funny all you want. It’s true. AA deals in secrecy and if other teams don’t abide by it the Jays will just walk away. Simple really.

    • johnsmith4 3 years ago

      Hard for me to agree with that line of thinking.  It relies on White Sox management being tight lipped which I doubt to be the case.

      I have to wonder if AA “scouting” Blanton was a signal to Chicago not to count on Jays having a “Floyd or bust” mentality.

      If there is a stalemate between Williams and AA, AA has the advantage because he is not the one at the limits of his budget.  He can outwait Williams.

    • Bombastic_Dave 3 years ago

      Mike Wilner ‏ @Wilnerness590
      Just spoke to Alex Anthopoulos. He said:
      “We’re getting Floyd now? Who are we giving up?” #bluejays #jays

      • stl_cards16 3 years ago

        That’s pretty standard for every GM but somehow when AA denies something, people think it’s news.

        • Bombastic_Dave 3 years ago

          I think you and I have a different definition of the term “news.”  Public comments by public personas are usually considered news.  Maybe as a Cards fan you don’t consider it valuable news, and that’s your prerogative.

          • stl_cards16 3 years ago

            The point is, it doesn’t matter if AA is working on a deal or not, he’s going to say something similar to that.  No GM goes to the media and talks about what they’re doing and when the media asks him about something they are rumored to be involved in they always deny it.  It’s every GM, in every sport, in every city.  No news.

          • vilifyingforce 3 years ago

             You forget that AA is our Heavenly Father resurrected. Get over yourself and start fawning over AA!

          • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

            Paraphrasing:

            Ruben Amaro Jr: “We’re not attempting to acquire Roy Halladay.”

            a week later

            the Phillies acquire Roy Halladay.

            No GM is ever going to confirm a trade rumor…

          • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

            please don’t bring up that terrible day

        • It’s not news. People make stuff up all the time about the Jays though because they are so tight lipped. Again, it’s pretty simple really.

  8. Christopher Wilson 3 years ago

    Floyd has been AA’s choice for most of the off-season and spring. I really hope they make a run at Gavin over fat Joe Blanton. Floyd has a lot to live up to being a former 4th overall pick, but it appears at this point his ERA around 4 is his norm.

  9. $22264602 3 years ago

    Cecil for Floyd, Jays pay the contract.

    • vilifyingforce 3 years ago

       If the Jays are getting ready to give up on Cecil I’d be fine with that.

      • $22264602 3 years ago

        Floyd is Cecils Ceiling ,and AA could make the Jays rotation much more reliable and durable for this season without a huge commitment as next year you can just go with one of the other young starters with more upside than Cecil anyways.

        • vilifyingforce 3 years ago

          I just don’t want to see Cecil and Floyd in there together unless they plan to leave Alvarez in AAA this season. Don’t want any of the kids chances being chewed up by Floyd, Cecil or players of their ilk.

  10. coreybishop 3 years ago

    I wish He’d pursue Jair Jurrjens instead! The Braves have the specs and availability for Jose Bautista! A package around Jurrjens, Prado, and Mike Minor/Randall Delgado should open the doors for talks. I wish the Braves would pursue it.

    • johnsmith4 3 years ago

      I can see why Braves would trade those players for Jose Bautista…BUT…I can’t see why Jays would trade Bautista for those players.  Especially when they have one of the best prospect funnels.

      • coreybishop 3 years ago

         No player is “untouchable” for the right price, and it’s not like they have plans to contend within 2 years. It’d definitely be a huge right move for them to take Prado, Jurrjens, and Minor/Delgado in any deal to project the team that much further. It’d hardly hurt the Braves with the kind of depth in the minors. Maybe possibly lock up McCann now and send Bethancourt in a deal as well. I could see the move making a ton of sense for both teams.

        Unfortunately, it won’t happen. It’s all just speculation. The Braves would be the new Beast of the East with the move however.

        • Shawnthemon 3 years ago

          Bautista is not going anywhere.

          End of story

          • coreybishop 3 years ago

             Never said he was. Just stating it would make total sense for both teams to pursue it.

          • No it wouldn’t. It makes ZERO sense from the Jays point fo view. The Jays are looking to add proven talent. Not more prospects. They already have an embarrassment of riches. Is Prado an upgrade? Not a big one. JJ gets hurt and is not a workhorse by no means. This trade makes zero sense….. Now if you wanted to start with Heyward ++ they might get to the table…but even there the Jays have OF depth in the minors.

        • crashcameron 3 years ago

          Prado, Jurrjens, Minor AND Delgado and maybe you have a start.
          Or Teheran

          • coreybishop 3 years ago

             Bethancourt would fit in there as well. I doubt 2 top pitching prospects would fit in there.

          • Matthew Mueller 3 years ago

            This isn’t a video game.  You can’t grab all the Braves leftover parts and turn them into the best RF in the game.  Try starting with Heyward, Teheran, and Delgado.

          • coreybishop 3 years ago

            Never said it was, but with Andrelton Simmons surging, Pastornicky, Bethancourt, Delgado, Jurrjens, and Prado would be way better than that offer.

          • Matthew Mueller 3 years ago

            I don’t know anything about Bethancourt but Pastornicky, Jurrjens, and Prado aren’t really players I would see the Jays wanting, especially if Bautista is involved.

          • This.  It would probably be Hanson and Heyward to start the conversation.

          • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

            Heyward starts the conversation..

            but braves dont/shouldnt move him,

          • blurnandez 3 years ago

            Please, please stop it. You’re killing me.

        •  You have a mental illness if you think Bautista is getting traded. His contract is way too team friendly and he was a candidate for MVP last season. There’s absolutely no chance.

        • The Jays have a great farm system with great pitching depth down there. What they don’t have in the minors is a big bat. Trade from weakness to fill a strength? That doesn’t seem to make sense to me.

        • Popular_mechanics_for_pitchers 3 years ago

          It doesn’t make any sense for the jays, I don’t see your logic

    • CHendershott 3 years ago

      Jays are holding onto Bautista because in two years Joey Votto is a free agent and they are the favorites to sign him (native Canadian). That’s why they didn’t go after Fielder like so many expected they would. If they can establish a number 1 starter and have a 3/4 of Votto and Bautista… they’d at least be good enough to compete with the Rays. We’ll see what happens to the Yankees with Granderson and Cano (although their rotation projects pretty highly). The jury’s still out on Boston and the Orioles are still the Orioles.

      • mike292929 3 years ago

        How do you know the Jays are favoured to sign Votto??? Just because he’s Canadian?? Votto will go where the money is. Plain and Simple.

        • CHendershott 3 years ago

          Want to clarify one thing, I’m not a Jays fan. If I’m Joey Votto I’m signing with the Rangers. 1B (usually one of your top 3 hitters) currently bats 9th in what is probably the best batting order in MLB… WITHOUT a power hitting first baseman (not a Rangers fan either, btw). If Texas retains one of Hamilton/Cruz and Joey Votto at 1B, they’ll be laughing at the Angels and Albatross Pujols all the way to 5 more consecutive division and likely WS titles.
          That said, the Jays CAN offer the contract he’d be looking for because they haven’t spent big on free agents so far and have a team-friendly deal with Bautista in place. Votto could be drawn by hitting in front of Jose, you don’t see that kind of protection just anywhere. 1B is open and they are looking to contend around the same time he’d be a free agent, so there’s also the draw of playing for a contender.

          So when you combine all of that with the fact that Joey Votto is not only a native Canadian but he was BORN in Toronto, has family there, and would likely love to play on a championship caliber hometown team, then yeah I’d say the Jays have a pretty good shot at landing him.

          However, I could be completely wrong and he’ll take a huge contract somewhere else. But logic dictates that the Jays have more to offer than other teams. Many baseball pundits agree with me btw.

  11. I find it funny that, despite all the trades that the Jays make with the White Sox, they are still ranked last in the league.

  12. It’s interesting to hear all the names that the Blue Jays have been associated with this past off-season and current Spring Training Session
    Joe Blanton
    Gavin Floyd
    To a certain extent a few months ago Mat Latos before he was traded to the Reds.
    Matt Garza
    Someone (blogger) also just posted Jurrjens today
    Imagine the possible rotation after Romero
    Floyd
    Garza
    Jurrjens
    Blanton
    Could the Blue Jays pull it off, it would be interesting if they tried, not sure of the practicality though because of the players and prospects it would take. It is possible though.

  13. Floyd is maddening.  He was the Cy Young of June and July in 2010 (I think, 2011, too, but the whole White Sox thing got too painful to follow last year, so I don’t remember).  He outdueled Strasbourg in that period . . .

    Anyway — he has great stuff, but he is a space cadet.  If he could ever figure out how to stretch those summer months into 6 months, he’d be a top-of-the-rotation guy.  If the Jays really _do_ want him, it’s probably because they think they can straighten him out.

  14. Dave Andres 3 years ago

    His numbers are average and will only get worse playing in the east so unless the price is cheap especially with his salary i would pass 

  15. Mick_In_Ithaca 3 years ago

    If this is true, it’s not a bad move for the Jays, and likely signals that they’ve got questions about somebody in the presumed rotation — probably Cecil. White Sox won’t get much; probably a mid-range pitching prospect like Tepara or Wojo, and maybe another warm body. Or somebody superfluous on the ML team, like maybe Francisco. I don’t see them getting Snider or Drabek. I can’t see them getting somebody who might be able to start in the majors opening day, like Hutchison, or maybe Carreno, but maybe one of them if the Jays think differently about them than the press seems to (cf. Molina). Floyd’s salary shouldn’t be a problem for them to absorb.

    If they get Floyd, and he doesn’t do well, they don’t pick up the option, and he isn’t blocking anybody. If he pitches well, the option isn’t a huge burden.

  16. Coollet 3 years ago

    Floyd is a righty, Cecil a lefty. can the Jays opperate with 4 righties in the rotation?

  17. maybe the white sox would be interested in a certain eric thames??

  18. chisoxindian 3 years ago

    Kenny is not looking to just dump Floyd,AA is seeking,won”t happen unless kenny gets Marisnick and Hutchison,might have to send something else with Floyd.

    • Well, then after all the laughing Kenny shouldn’t feel bad with the click he hears on the other end….without a goodbye.

    • The Jays would need the White Sox’ entire farm system to make that trade even.

      • jedicouncil 3 years ago

        what farm system??? you did say white sox didnt you?

      • MetsMagic 3 years ago

        They still couldn’t get it done. What would the White Sox throw in? The only prospects of any consequence are Molina, who came from Toronto, and Reed, and the Blue Jays already got a closer from the White Sox.

  19. soxfan123123 3 years ago

    Gavin Floyd for Brett Lawrie, Anthony Gose, Kyle Drabek, Travis D’Arnaud and Jake Marisnick

  20. Twisted86 3 years ago

    I’m a White Sox fan and I won’t start feeling any hope about the direction of this franchise until the day Kenny Williams is fired.

    • lug 3 years ago

      I have been a Kenny supporter through it all.  Sometimes a change of direction is needed :(

  21. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    It doesn’t take this long to land a Floyd.  If it was going to happen it would have happened already

    the notion that all of a sudden the gm has concerns about the rotation are ridiculous… Cecil didn’t just get below average, he’s been that, mcgowan didn’t just become an injury concern, he’s be that and drabek, alvarez and co didn’t just become young starters with question marks. that was all well established.

    now if romero or morrow got injured and this rumour surfaced, it would make sense.
    but as it stands now, its all fluff.

    • lug 3 years ago

      Yes and no sometimes it is a process.  Lets not kid ourselves and pretend deals don’t happen during spring training. 

    • vilifyingforce 3 years ago

       It could happen, but, the chances of anything happening by now are pretty low if they’ve been talking all winter. Things can change, but, that could be said of any of the hundreds of potential deals AA is always kicking around.

  22. cachhubguy 3 years ago

    I don’t think the Sox trade Floyd. That would be throwing in the towel this year and they can’t afford to do that this early. If they don’t start fast, they will not get alot of support from the fans. Without Floyd they have Danks, Peavy???, Sale who will have limited innings, Hunber????? and who?

  23. You’d think Kenny Williams would be a bit gunshy of AA right now. Sadly, he is not. It’s like when you’re playing fetch with a dog, and fake throw it, but the dog still runs.

  24. DukesRocks 3 years ago

    At this point, I would much rather have Alvarez or McGowan over Floyd in the rotation.  Something tells me AA feels the same and trading for Floyd at this point doen’t make much sense.  Unless, due to club policy, the Jays will not allow Alvarez and McGowan to exceed a total number of innings pitched in a full season.

    So lets say the jays will only allow Alvarez and McGowan to pitch 150 innings total in a season, this would cause a burden on the BP in a full season, and if the Jays are somehow close to contending in August, this will cause AA to start looking for a trade cause he may have two starters that will be shut down due to club policy.

    Now it comes down to if AA believes that he can cover those inning with pitching debth like Drabek, Laffey Perez etc.

    Bottom line is AA has time to see if the pitching debth he has can cover the short coming of th 4th and 5th starter in a full season.  If he doen’t think they can and the Jays are contending for the wildcard.  AA will need to make a trade.

  25. He’s right, the Jays should get rid of their pitching prospects who may or may not pan out and fill the void with proven commodities like Gavin Floyd. I can’t believe I didn’t think of this before. I wonder where AA can find other pitcher’s like Floyd who take the ball every 5th day. Man it’s an exciting time to be a Blue Jays fan, we’re going to have the best rotation ever!!   

  26. Gavin Floyd isnt going to bump the Jays up from .500 to playoffs. Pitching prospects that may or may not pan out are still incredibly important.

  27. you sound a lot like my grandfather.

  28. How do you think the Rays got that good?  I’ll give you the first hint: it wasn’t from being terrible and getting the #1 overall pick a bunch of times in a 10-year span.

  29. johnsmith4 3 years ago

    Brett Lawrie Exhibit C….What….Wait

  30. You’re right, they should have traded Doc, Delgado, Green, Lawrie Etc…. for a #4 that would probably have an ERa much closer to 5 than 4 pitching in the AL East. BRILLIANT!!! If you actually did know anything about the Jays it’s the fact they DIDN’T value prospects for the 8 or so years before AA got here that had them in this mess. How do you think the Red Sox, Yankees and Rays got good? I’ll give you a hint, it didn’t start with FA.

  31. Coollet 3 years ago

    Flyod is only undercontrol for one, possibly two years. Why give up prospects for that?

  32. vilifyingforce 3 years ago

    Heavens to murgatroid, me doth expect thou hast little understanding of what thine own words mean. Using ‘historically over-value’, then mentioning two prospects who are still young is a pretty terrible way to prove a point. You must also forget when the Jays acquired proven commodity Esteban Loaiza for some turd named Michael Young.

  33. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    this comment is laughable..

    2  kids under 25 is your best examples?
    Atleast bust out a Russ Adams reference so you look half smart.

  34. This is exactly why those pitching prospects that may or may not pan out are more valuable than a proven guy that DIDN’T pan out.

  35. coreybishop 3 years ago

     True. They did learn from the Teixeira trade.

  36. stl_cards16 3 years ago

    You’re first point about teams not inquiring about Bautista is just flat wrong.  He is one of the best hitters in the game and on a great contract.  Any team would love to talk Bautista with the Jays.

    Maybe you should ask the Texas Rangers about how the Braves don’t trade premium young talent for good players.

  37. Shawnthemon 3 years ago

    They traded the entire farm for Teix, and Bautista has passed every test he has taken, plus look at him, does it look like he really takes PHDs? 


  38. Jose Bautista carries with him suspicion that he’s pharmaceutically enhanced.   

    No he doesn’t.  He’s been tested infinity times, and is skinnier than I am.

     but it doesn’t change the fact that teams are unlikely to inquire about Bautista.

    They’re not inquiring because they know that the Jays aren’t going to move him at this point in time, at this location on the win curve.  Nobody is going to make an offer anywhere close to reasonable enough to justify moving a contract that team-friendly, especially when its’ the face of the franchise.  It has nothing to do with the perception of some ignorant people who think he might be juicing just because he’s good at baseball now.

    Atlanta isn’t going to give up premium young talent for Bautista.   It’s not in the DNA of how that organization is run.

    See Teixeira, Mark in exchange for Elvis Andrus, Matt Harrison, Neftali Feliz, and Jarron Saltahasapemapetilon.  That’s 4 top-100 prospects for 1.5 years of service.

    All in all, great post.

  39. crashcameron 3 years ago

    yep. a Matt Garza at the least

  40. lug 3 years ago

    You are mostly right.  I disagree with the mention of shipping off Danks next season.  They will continue to have a ton of cash come open over the next few years.  I mean I guess it could happen but the Sox need someone to take the mound.  Anyways I am thinking (hoping) it will not take Kenny very long to turn it around as some may think regardless of what we do with Floyd this year.

  41. soxxy 3 years ago

    I think it’s crazy if he trades Floyd to blue jays, wait to see how season goes,as a season ticket holder I won’t re-new for next year if he unloads, not getting my money’s worth for sure! 
    Not happy so far with the moves he’s made, his big mistake was not signing Buerhle, that was huge! 
    Now he’s thinking of unloading Floyd?  KW has really screwed up this team, Reinsdorf better step in, not happy what I’m seeing so far. 
     

  42. CHendershott 3 years ago

    With every offseason that the Sox have to deal with Kenny’s strategy of simultaneously rebuilding/contending, the more I’m convinced that 2005 was won in spite of hi and they’ll never be successful again until they have a new GM. Bad move after bad move after bad move have resulted in Buehrle following Ozzie to Miami and the Sox having the worst farm system in MLB.

  43. I’m getting too worked up over this, but how could you possibly overrate the trade value of arguably the best player in baseball?  He’s got 4 years of control and one of the most team-friendly deals in the game.

  44. vilifyingforce 3 years ago

    Exhibit D Michael Young

  45. gimpcom187 3 years ago

    you are TOTALLY wrong about Cincy.  If he had ANY desire to stay with them he signs for an extra year or so on that deal he signed last year as they were in a win cycle.  Not to mention the way his deal worked it is decently likely they trade him after this season or at trade deadline if Cincy is out of it (he makes half the money off 3 year deal in 2013. Still, I don’t agree that TOR is the favorite because they don’t like to go beyond 5 years and Votto is getting 8-10 most likely.

  46. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    Rios and Dunn cant be seen as bad moves

    some blame falls on the player.

    and in what world is the santos trade bad one?
    it shocks me how time and time again relievers prove to be volatile, but yet people run to annoint someone the next mariano after 120 MLB innings.

  47. tsizzle 3 years ago

    I’m no Kenny Williams fan, but I fail to see how the Santos trade can be judged right now. You may think Santos is a finished product, but having watched nearly every appearance of his big league career, he’s not. The White Sox are generally very good about when to move their major league roster pitchers. They have, arguably, the best pitching coach and trainer in baseball. They had no reason to move him, his contract was extremely club friendly. I would be worried about his future health, to be honest.

    Nestor Molina merely needs to become a big league starting pitcher for this to be advantage White Sox.

    Not to mention, Dunn still has three years on his deal to prove his worth. One bad (terrible) year does not a contract make.

  48. melonis_rex 3 years ago

    The Santos trade was an excellent trade for both sides. 

    Rios and Dunn didn’t cost prospects (well, Dunn cost a 1st round draft pick).

  49. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    you’re right, he’s not a 4/5 starter.. but he’s not worth gose

  50. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    evan longoria also has overrated trade value as well

  51. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    floyd’s potential and ceiling are set, he is what he is… and he will not be a frontline caliber starter.

  52. Joey Doughnuts 3 years ago

    Danks just signed an extension, he probably won’t be going anywhere for a few years.

  53. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    Dunn was one of the most cosistant players in the game. I’m sorry, but you can’t fault the GM for that one. 

  54. melonis_rex 3 years ago

    I don’t think Dunn or Rios were bad moves, especially for a contending team with the Sox’ payroll resources.

  55. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    Rios is a perplexing case .. all the talent in the world.

    I mean he did post a 3.7 WAR last season,  he’s been good.. but when he’s bad instead of fighting through he just tanks all the way

  56. Jeffy25 3 years ago

    Just because you have the financial resources does it mean that you should spend them.  Rios was a bad choice, Dunn was justifiable.

  57. Santos had a 5.51 ERA in 33 games playing at the White Sox stadium, and he had a 1.47 ERA in 30 games playing on the road. I bet that you mainly watched him at home and your opinion was based on his play at home. He is new to pitching and he is still learning about how to pitch while increasing his stamina. He is a highly touted closer (the Red Sox were angry that they were not made aware that Santos was available). 

    Nestor Molina is a right handed pitcher with an average velocity of 83-85mph in his pitches. His fastball tops out at 88-90mph. He does have great movement but there in no way he can ever be more than a 4th or 5th starter and many scouts are predicting him to be a setup man at best. 

    As for Santos health, I have no clue where you got that from because from what I can find Santos has never been seriously injured. He also has less innings pitched that most other closers’ because he switched from a position player to a pitcher a few years ago. You could even say his arm is as fresh as a 23 years old. 

  58. haters always hate

  59. Joey Doughnuts 3 years ago

    Yeah, Kenny has been so bad and makes such awful moves that the White Sox are a contender almost every year under his reign, right?

  60. NYPOTENCE 3 years ago

    I believe he’s right, Blue Jays have some major questions in their pitching staff. Now should they have trouble fighting off the Orioles? No, but they will not move up on the standings until they can obtain some high-end pitching.

  61. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    Yankees have been doing pretty good with just Sabathia as the only high end piece in their rotation the last few years.  They seem to be doing okay..

    A great offense + a mediocre pitching staff+ a good bullpen can do wonders.. heck it won you the 09 world series

  62. skoods 3 years ago

    Yankees offense > Jays offense
    Sabathia > anyone the Jays have in their rotation
    Rivera at the end of games > Cordero/Santos 

  63. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    yah thanks tipss.. maybe if you focused on reading comprehension you could have saved yourself the useless post.

    the point still remains that you don’t need an amazing rotation to be successful. Just ask the rangers and cardinals.

    I am impressed that you knew which way to point the arrows though, nyc school systems must be on the up!

  64. NYPOTENCE 3 years ago

    Really, your argument is pointless he’s not necessarily comparing one player to another player he’s comparing them in terms of the overall value of the area.

  65. skoods 3 years ago

    I’m not from New York, chief. Nor am I a Yankees fan. Nor was I being even nearly as snide as you are. 

    Losing must do that to a fan. Enjoy fourth place. 

  66. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    ohhhh that hurts soo deepp. move along son

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