Ryan Madson Out For Season

The elbow injury to Reds closer Ryan Madson will require Tommy John surgery, ending the right-hander's season, according to John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer (via Twitter).  The Reds do not have insurance on Madson's one-year, $8.5MM contract, Fay tweets.

The market didn't go Madson's way this winter and the Scott Boras client wound up settling for considerably less than most anticipated.  The injury will not only cost the closer his 2012 season, but likely major cash on his next contract.  At one point, it seemed as though Madson and the Phillies were closing in on a four-year, $44MM pact, but that never came to fruition. 

Aroldis Chapman and Sean Marshall are both candidates to close now, tweets Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com.


145 Responses to Ryan Madson Out For Season Leave a Reply

  1. Runtime 3 years ago

    Well… that’s unfortunate. That 1 year contract sure looks awesome now…

    • Only by length. The money is unfortunate

      •  yeah that money still hurts the Reds.  8.5 million down the drain.  I don’t get why they didn’t get insurance on the guy.  That hurts chances of signing Phillips or Votto.  Ug!!

  2. soxxxxx 3 years ago

    but the reds are all in….

  3. nm344 3 years ago

    Damn, that sucks.  Reds fans won’t even get a chance to see him pitch.

  4. Bonds2425 3 years ago

    Sucks for the reds

  5. I thought people were nuts for being so high on him. Poor Reds though. Wonder if this effects Chapmans future.

  6. JacksTigers 3 years ago

    Wow. I thought that he was the best move of the offseason. Now who closes for the Reds?

  7. Who’s the closer now?

  8. RhapsodyinBlue 3 years ago

    So much for the deal of the offseason.  

  9. Rytea 3 years ago

    Yikes, that’s not good for the Reds. So who’s up for the closer spot now, Chapman?

  10. Ethanator99 3 years ago

    COME. ON. This is like a really bad dream

  11. andres8m 3 years ago

    The Sox were really lucky not to sign him.

  12. brandondc 3 years ago

    You have got to be kidding me. We finally get rid of Coco and this happens…

  13. So many people who have done their fantasy drafts already must be pissed.

  14. Ethanator99 3 years ago

    Marshall will close, Chapman will probably move to the Pen, and The Reds will in total have wasted 39 million on those 2.

    Reds’ country mourns.

    •  Even with the loss of Madson which hurts a ton… sigh…  I hope they keep Chapman on track to start be it the majors or minors to start the season.  The Reds have a pretty decent bullpen still even without Madison.  Before it was a great bullpen now its just pretty good.

  15. Wow, that is really unfortunate for the Red’s. Might as well have just lit that money on fire. 

  16. InLeylandWeTrust 3 years ago

    Being happy someone is hurt is a little strange…

    • Nick Butler 3 years ago

      just like gomes last year celebrating wainos injury

      • TophersReds 3 years ago

        That was pure specualtion and it never happened. Show me some legitiment proof that it happened and I’ll consider it, but until then..

        • Nick Butler 3 years ago

          “McCoy, however, is not retracting the fact that he heard Gomes singing
          about the unfortunate Wainwright news. He heard it. Others in the
          clubhouse heard it too, including John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer.”

          there you go. 2 reporters who were in the clubhouse heard it.

          • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

            and reporters would never fabricate or embellish a story in order to attract attention or anything

          • imachainsaw 3 years ago

            no, considering accusations such as those are grounds for a libel suit.
            you really think guys that are on payroll have anything to gain by making up false stories like that? that these reporters are so insecure and starved for attention that they would do that?

          • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

            yes yes and yes

          • imachainsaw 3 years ago

            lol

      •  part of me kind of hopes gomes hurts his back out dancing around like a 4 year old after knocking in a run in a blow out

    • Andrew Steven 3 years ago

      Unless is Pujols. Then i don’t give 2 ___

  17. Crap. There goes my best closer for my fantasy team.

  18. discdogbob 3 years ago

    New Closer Joel Pineiro

  19. $8.5 Mil to get arm surgery? I’ll take it…

  20. It really is a shame that teams are stuck paying someone so much and he won’t even pitch in 1 regular season game for them. When he comes back..he should do the right thing and sign cheap for the Red’s.

    • He’s a Scott Boras client.

      • Nick Butler 3 years ago

         scott boras clients dont sign for cheap

        •  Except for Ryan Madson. He signed pretty cheap.

          • In retrospect, did he? It seems pretty likely that the Reds didn’t do their due diligence, and signed damaged goods. Boras was smart to take whatever deal he could that would pay his client without giving him a thorough physical. $8.5mil looks like a pretty good deal to fund Madson’s rehab.

        • Amish_willy 3 years ago

          well, Ryan Madson will be a good deal cheaper next season then he was this season.

    • johnsilver 3 years ago

       Curt Schilling signed with Boston for 8m in the winter of 2008, had to have surgery, missed the entire season and didn’t give Boston any discount to return and refused to play for any team the next year except Boston afterwards.. He also was not willing to take a discount to return in 2009 after the surgery and he actually had loyalty to the team, unlike the Boras client madson.

      There is -0- way Madson gives cincy a discount.

      • blu167 3 years ago

         and you know that Madson has no loyalty, because…?

        • johnsilver 3 years ago

           I don’t have anything against Madson. Just think of Boras clients who gave home town discounts for anything and am being serious here? Loyalty to *match* a deal? Maybe, but a discount?

          I can name 1.. Varitek, sure, there might be more, but madson just signed with this team and i can’t imagine loyalty for someone who never, ever pitched 1 IP for a team.

          •  Well, coming off tommy John surgery, he wont be get a big contract, he will have to prove he is back. He wasn’t a big time proven closer anyway, that’s why he had to settle for a one year deal this year to boost his value. All I’m trying to say is, he should cut the red’s a break since he will be paid by them for nothing. He should sign a one year deal with the red’s for cheap when he is back to pay the red’s back.

          • johnsilver 3 years ago

             I understand that and really not trying to give you a hard time here as understand where you are coming from and myself think players should do what you are suggesting, but a Boras client especially? I just don’t see it.

            look at Mike “Shaky” gonzalez, another ex closer and client of boras who is still coming off of surgery to some extent and a not real solid 2011, he is looking for a decent contract we can assume still and probably that lies at Boras’s feet, or he would be in camp with some team by now.

    • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

      He should not do “the right thing and sign cheap with the Reds.” He doesn’t owe them anything.

      Besides, would the Reds have given him more money if he had the best year for a closer every? Highly doubtful.

  21. Travis White 3 years ago

    With the Cards losing Carp at least a few months and Madson out for the season, the NL central is really looking like anyone’s race right now

    • CalvaryCougar 3 years ago

      Lol heard of marshall? We are fine

      • TophersReds 3 years ago

        Marshall doesn’t put a band-aid on the whole situation. This domino just caused many others to fall, mostly not favorable ones.

        • CalvaryCougar 3 years ago

          What? Chapman to bullpen is not that bad either

          • imachainsaw 3 years ago

            while that’s workable, the rotation & team potentially suffers from that. even if chapman does well in the ‘pen, the reds would get about a third of the innings from chapman, which could equate about a third of value to the team and quantifiable in terms of WAR. I think that’s what he means by domino effect. The only way for the Reds to move on unaffected to the team as a whole would be to add a closer or reliever of similar value without having to reorganize the roster and switching roles from pen to rotation and vice-versa.

          •  Chapman was going to most likely start in the AAA rotation.  He was not in the plan for the starting rotation to start the season to begin with.

          • CalvaryCougar 3 years ago

            its wasn’t even guaranteed that chapman would do well as a starter….look at him in Louisville last year, plus he was probably gonna start the year in AAA anyway

          • imachainsaw 3 years ago

             you mean those 13 innings? not much of sample size, but yeah until they tried him as a starter of course it’s a mystery. it’d be unfortunate for them not to test it.

          • CalvaryCougar 3 years ago

            yeah i agree, small sample size

        • johnsilver 3 years ago

           Team(s) that have several closers may be able to help and I DON’T mean the Orioles and Kevin Gregg either…

          Boston currently has Andrew Bailey, Mark melencon and eventually..Alfredo Aceves at the back of the BP and *could* have Danial Bard later moved there once again. That is a LOT of late inning,proven people. i could see them moving 1 even with Bard in the rotation if the price is right, like melencon who Cincy is familiar with and he has closing experience, cost controlled even.

          • Crosstownkid 3 years ago

            Maybe krod

          • toddcoffeytime 3 years ago

            I doubt Cincy’s looking to pick up another sizeable contract for a reliever after not having this one insured…If they were to add to the bullpen the trade market is about it.  Maybe they matchup with KC for Broxton, or the Fish for Oviedo if they are still in contention near the deadline.

        • CalvaryCougar 3 years ago

          yes it hurts to lose a pitcher but i fail to see how marshall doesnt fix the bullpen

          • TophersReds 3 years ago

            Marshall + Madson > Marshall

            Great Bullpen becomes good Bullpen.

      • goredsgo 3 years ago

        no were not fine we just blew 8.5 million on a guy to sit on the bench all year

    • DT Flush234 3 years ago

       Madson is a closer. You can replace his numbers.

    • It is still a 3 team race.  Cards, Brewers, Reds.  In that order.

  22. Seanb1223 3 years ago

    Makes you wonder if he was already damaged when he signed.

  23. Guest 3 years ago

    Ruben Amaro Jr looks like a genius right now.

  24. discdogbob 3 years ago

    Bummer tho for Red fans, not as big a deal as Chris Carpenter missing some time, but big,  Looking forward to seeing Chapman in that role, suspect his stuff plays better as a reliever.

    • laffingrass 3 years ago

      Randy Johnson made a pretty decent career out of starting.

  25. Muggi 3 years ago

    That sucks :( He’s a good guy as well as player. Wish him the best coming back in ’13.

  26. philliesfan136 3 years ago

    Nicely done Phillies. That sucks for Madson and the Reds though.

    • Nik 3 years ago

      Paplebon is good but way overpaid

      • philliesfan136 3 years ago

        Yeah he is somewhat overpaid but you gotta do what you gotta do to get the best players. I’m glad they didn’t commit to that huge contract for Madson even more now. It sucks for him though, he did well here and is a good guy.

        • Vmmercan 3 years ago

          Not to pick on you, but I would love to see if you felt this way about the Yankees, say, 2005ish.

        • “somewhat overpaid”? paying a closer more than 10 million a year is a huge overpayment. He had his best year last year and was worth 3 wins. He’s 32 and will be 36 by the time its up. This deal will be a huge roadblock for the Phils who have an old and deteriorating team. Wouldn’t surprise me if this was their last year for contention, if they even compete this year.

  27.  yep, Sox dodged a bullet for sure! So did the Phils.

  28. Now entering the game for the Cincinnati Reds #63 Kevin Gregg….

    Seriously, though this is a shame and the thing of it is Madson has been healthy most of his career. So, now I wonder when he got hurt?

    PS There’s got to be a better way of handling this contractually 8.5 million up in smoke doesn’t seem right. The other problem is the Reds imo have a lot of deferred contracts or they expected a lot of increased revenue in the 2012 budget and now they have a bad contract on their books.

  29. TophersReds 3 years ago

    Right when things are looking good for the Reds to finally make a good run. They still do have a good chance, but this hurts… a lot. I was looking forward to having Madson be the Closer. The only thing that hurts more is eating almost $9M for nothing.

    • Andrew Steven 3 years ago

      It does hurt, i feel bad for the Reds right now!

  30. Becky Lee 3 years ago

    Big blow for the Reds, could be worse than cards losing Carp for how ever long. They were putting Chapman in the rotation and now they have to move him into the set up role.

    • TophersReds 3 years ago

      Not only did they lose out on Madson, but this basically just secured Chapman’s fate a as a full-time reliever for the rest of his tenure with the Reds. This was really the last year they could let him sit in AAA for a little bit to become a starter and it still being worth it, but now it’s basically useless. So that’s $9M lost on Madson, and Chapman will never live up to the $30M he’s getting paid in the Bullpen (but the Reds really don’t have another choice).

      Hopefully the Reds get the same fire under them that the Cards got last year when Wainwright went out and players step up. At least Carp is only out for a few months (even though I fully understand that is a huge blow). Seems like the Brewers are sitting pretty while the NLC is getting injured.

  31. Nick Sossamon 3 years ago

    Man, sucks for the Reds.  Could have been a great deal if he was healthy.

  32. jphenix2002 3 years ago

    Bummer

  33. BoSoxSam 3 years ago

    That really sucks. Madson’s one-year deal looks like less of a steal now, although obviously there was no way to predict this. Terrible luck for the Reds.

  34. FS54 3 years ago

    Fantasy players can draft a roster full of players that will miss the season. What’s going on this spring training?

  35. Beavis De Beppo 3 years ago

    Something stinks here.  This guy should have been in line for a fat payday and ends up signing a one-year deal for $8.5M?  And the whole 4/44 mythical contract thing never seemed to go away, long after he signed w/Cincy – didn’t I just read a recent article about Madson believing the offer was made?  Did Dr. Boras conduct his physical?  He threw one bp session and now he needs TJ surgery?  Methinks my Reds got swindeled on this one.  Somebody new something was up with that elbow, but obviously, and unfortunately, it wasn’t the Reds.

    • start_wearing_purple 3 years ago

      I seriously doubt there was a conspiracy here. Madson didn’t get a massive deal because Boras misread the market for closers. That’s it, Occam’s Razor.

    • Runtime 3 years ago

      Right. Because all he did was throw one bullpen session.

      Obviously pro athletes never go to the gym.

  36. Joe Bilde 3 years ago

    Wow, that sucks. Glad the Phils dodged that bullet, but it sucks for the Reds. And for Madson… I love that guy.

  37. Todd 3 years ago

    Dropping like flies they are

  38. Stuartsmith1988 3 years ago

    He’ll resign next year with the reds for incentives

  39. alashieve 3 years ago

    I am glad I don’t own Madson in any of my roto leagues.

  40. buckeyereds 3 years ago

    I hope the front office keeps Chapman as a starter.  Francis has been good this spring training.  I would much rather see him as the other lefty in the bullpen now.

  41. Paul Shailor 3 years ago

    I wonder if Mike Gonzalez will sign with them now. This really is bad.

  42. BitLocker 3 years ago

    Welp, Ruben Armaro just got saved and made the Papelbon signing less worse then what would have happened if they re-signed Madson.

  43. jhfdssdaf 3 years ago

    That Marshall deal this offseason suddenly looks better.  As a middle reliever, they only got market value, but if he’s successful as a closer this season, they would have had to pay alot more after the year is through.

  44. Mike1L 3 years ago

    Never like to see an injury. On the business side, Madson will not get a big money contract for 2013, because no one knows whether he’s going to be able to pitch or at what level.  And he will be two years older the next time he has an opportunity to cash in.  But the idea that Boras knew his elbow was about to go seems very farfetched. Boras is always about the money, so he would have urged taking a multi-year contract.  Whatever went on behind the scenes is irrelevant now. Having surgery and losing a year isn’t a lot of fun.

  45. Holy unfortunate.

  46. Nimphiusforever 3 years ago

    Wishing the Maddog a fast and strong recovery. You pitched your heart out for the Phils. Hope you are back soon, better than ever!

  47. My condolences to the Reds’ fans. This news really hurts.

  48. Oh, and condolences to Madson. Hope he comes back healthy and strong.

  49. CHendershott 3 years ago

    To all the people saying this sucks for the Reds… yes they lost their closer during an All-In season, but they got him for below-market value on a 1 year deal. Sucks, but they’ll survive and still have a chance to win.

    Meanwhile, Madson gambled on his success this season to try and get a nice payday and didn’t even have a chance to blow it or be successful. He’ll get a contract I’m sure, it’s not like no one has ever come back from Tommy John surgery before, but he lost out here, a lot more than the Reds did. He was the one taking all the risks, not them, and now the worst possible situation is playing out.

    However, I can’t feel TOO sorry for someone making $8.5 mil a year…

  50. Ferrariman 3 years ago

    couple things…

    this hurts the reds.  a lot.  But, its relievers.  Teams have relievers come out of nowhere every year and step up big, for example Fernando Salas for the cards last year.  

    This, on paper, isn’t as big of a loss as losing carpenter for 1-2 months but something to keep in mind, through the entire first half of the season last year, carpenter had 4 wins and 7 losses.  For the first 2 months, he had 1 win and 5 losses. I know wins/losses don’t matter when evaluating talent but in this scenario, its a good gauge on how much value the cards were getting out of carpenter’s starts, and clearly it was nothing.  Think Wainwright can do better than that?  I would imagine so.  

    • CalvaryCougar 3 years ago

      finally someone who doesnt overvalue someone who pitches the 9th inning

  51. JoeSeadog 3 years ago

    When you’ve only thrown 630 innings lifetime, have but 47 wins and 52 saves over eight years and your agent calls you and says he turned down 4 years @40+mil, you fire him and crawl back on your hands and knees.

  52. burritolikethesun 3 years ago

    Go Brewers.

  53. Suddenly giving Papelbon that 4 year contract instead doesn’t seem so crazy anymore, eh? Did the Phillies know something about Madison that we didn’t? Thank goodness the Jays didn’t offer this guys a fat contract… at least we got a good season and a half out of BJ Ryan. 

  54. Zach 3 years ago

    Yeah you wouldn’t be laughing if it was you..

  55. JacksTigers 3 years ago

    Laughing?

  56. Isn’t Wainwright supposed to be the #1?

  57. Ferrariman 3 years ago

    but carpenter is coming back, madson’s not.

  58. LazerTown 3 years ago

    yes, but losing a starter that throws 235 innings, of 3.45 is much worse loss than 60 innings of 2.40 ball.

  59. brstreet9 3 years ago

    #1 and #1A…Carpenter was supposed to be the opening day starter.

  60. nm344 3 years ago

    Madson had multi-year offers.  He decided to go with the riskier 1 year pillow contract.  If there was anything suspicious, Boras would have jumped at the first multi-year deal.

  61. Paul Shailor 3 years ago

     They also have the guy that choked incredibly and played a part in the biggest collapse in history. For a closer, thats kinda a big thing.

  62. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    this absurd logic and you know it

    if they had waited 2-3 more weeks they could have had him cheaper and with out giving up a pick. 

  63. MB923 3 years ago

    How does it not matter? Yankees had the best free after after the 2007 season (A-Rod for a couple of days was a FA after the opt out), he was arguably the best player in all of baseball, and they gave him out one of the worst contracts. That wasn’t your money either.

    I’m not comparing the 2 contracts by the way, but I’m just pointing out that just because they were the best at their position on the market, doesn’t mean they deals they got were good ones.

    Point is, not bringing back Madson doesn’t make Amaro Jr. a genius. I’m not saying he isn’t a good GM though.

  64. imachainsaw 3 years ago

    this ‘it’s not your money’ argument really need to go. nobody cares where the money is coming from. what matters is the implication that continuous overpayment keeps driving up player prices and inevitably continues to hurt teams who develop the players and then can’t afford to resign them because they set their bar at what other similar players got.

  65. MB923 3 years ago

    1 game is a small sample. Papelbon had a very good year, but not worth the contract he got.

  66. johnsilver 3 years ago

     You DO realize that Papelbon did hold the record for Post season consecutive scoreless innings up until 2009 with 24IP?? Some choker huh??

  67. johnsilver 3 years ago

    That contract is not nearly as bad as some here keep hammering Philly about. you (and some others) want to hammer Philly for an awful contract? Hit them for that awful Rollins deal.. 3/33m for a seriously declining SS, not STILL one of the top closers in the game, who has shown no signs of declining and just more or less signed a 4 year extension.. No raise even and that 5th year option?? Philly can easily stop him from closing to negate that.

    The 1st 3/36m of that contract, or until he is a “ripe old” 34YO he should (by all guessing) still be a dominant closer making just 12m a season. There are others making MORE than that out there… That 4th year? It may be iffy, for sure and yes.. Philly has some bad contracts.. Howard, Blanton, Rollins, but that Papelbon is not nearly as bad as the Rollins one they just gave away.

  68. Paul Shailor 3 years ago

     Closers are the easiest to replace in the game and spending big on them unless they are Mo is just ridiculous. Look at all the other closers that were dominant, signed long deals then boom nothing. Yes the phillies have a lot of bad contracts, but that doesnt mean papelbon’s is good. Paying that much for a closer is ridiculous, esp a guy that had a breakdown in the most important game of the year. How well did brad lidge recover?

  69. MB923 3 years ago

    I wasn’t really comparing Papelbon’s contract to the rest of the Phillies’ players contracts. His should be compared to other closers’, not teammates. Don’t forget if I’m not mistaken he has incentenvies which can make him earn up to $60 mil, maybe more.

  70. johnsilver 3 years ago

    Brad Lidge has never been consistent, never pitched in the toughest division in baseball and Papelbon is well past post season proven as I replied to your other post with regards to his consecutive post season scoreless innings record he used to hold..

    1 month is a blimp on the radar.

  71. BJ Ryan!

    -wtk

  72. johnsilver 3 years ago

     His 5th year is easily stopped from being applied. 55 closes in 2015, or 100 games 2014-15. philly not happy? it’s a krod situation all over. why said if Philly gets 3 good years out of him.. Just like he served Boston.. They get one of the top guys in the biz and a proven guy from the AL east at that.

  73. Paul Shailor 3 years ago

    Closers are the easiest to replace in the game and spending big on them
    unless they are Mo is just ridiculous. Look at all the other closers
    that were dominant, signed long deals then boom nothing. Yes the
    phillies have a lot of bad contracts, but that doesnt mean papelbon’s is
    good. Paying that much for a closer is ridiculous. Also didnt Jenks have a similar stretch in the regular season with 50 some scoreless innings or something along those lines? You cite his dominance, I cite closers just as dominant whose careers went nowhere after a deal.

  74. Paul Shailor 3 years ago

     BTW I am tired of this AL east is the best division in baseball ESPN garbage. How did the best division in baseball do last year in the playoffs? Oh they had teams in the ALCS right? Oh wait…

  75. laffingrass 3 years ago

    What’s the issue here? Both lanky lefties with control issues early in their career.

    I’m assuming you know about the velocity comparison already.

  76. Half of the AL’s Playoff teams were from the East. For the last five years (and eight of the last nine). I’m not saying that makes them the best division…but it does make them very good.

    The last AL West Wild Card team, for instance, was the World Series Champion Angels in 2002. The Tigers made the playoffs as a Wild Card team in 2006 if anyone was wondering the last time it wasn’t New York, Boston, or Tampa.
    -wtk

  77. NickinIthaca 3 years ago

    The 3rd place team in both the AL and NL Easts would have been the first place teams in any other division last year if I remember correctly. That’s pretty impressive.

  78. CalvaryCougar 3 years ago

    cause madsons 2.37 era is better than marshalls 2.26 era?

  79. TophersReds 3 years ago

    Throw 100+ MPH and tell me how easy it is to control. By the way, Chapman is looking great in Spring is his control is said to be spot on. Just yesterday he threw 5 scoreless innings.

  80. CalvaryCougar 3 years ago

     tommy john means out for the season

  81. imachainsaw 3 years ago

     well that’s a shame, but probably true

  82. Amish_willy 3 years ago

    Huh??? Neither the Sox or Nats would have been in first in ANY division. No 1st place team won fewer then 94 games.

  83. imachainsaw 3 years ago

    i’m not one to advocate giving up on young yet to flourish talent, but I do believe that the team should adjust the depth chart according to players skill and past performance.

  84.  Exactly!!!!!   This is why he needs to stay as a staring Pitcher. 

    Arroiyo  2 good start 2 bad
    Cueto  –  mostly good starts 1 bad
    Bailey –  A bunch of ok starts
    Latos –   Looks good so far
    Leake –  Been fairly solid each start.
    Chatpman –  All good starts from what I have seen.

  85. TophersReds 3 years ago

    I don’t know where you got your assessments at, but their way off.

    Arroyo- Sucking all spring, except for 1 decent start
    Cueto- Doing Ok, which isn’t what you want out of a #1 (It’s spring, but the numbers to hold some kind of value)
    Bailey- Absolutely terrible (9+ ERA)
    Latos- Great
    Chapman- Great

  86. Joshua Bresser 3 years ago

    After at least 3 months, yes. 

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