AL East Notes: Yankees, Blue Jays, Colon, Red Sox

The AL East went 4-1 today as every team in the division won except for the Red Sox.  News and notes out of the division..

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  1. MB923 3 years ago

    I don’t think re-signing Garcia and letting Colon leave was honestly the wrong move at the time. I knew Garcia would not repeat the year he had, but he had a better year than Colon, and Colon faded in the 2nd half of the year.

    Edit – For those who don’t know, the top part about Jon Heyman was not mentioned originally when I first posted. It got added in last night I can see, and this was originally written Sunday afternoon.

    • Rob Boylan 3 years ago

      The Pineda injury also changed the landscape. Garcia was more insurance for Hughes struggling, not everyone struggling and Pineda being done for the year. 

    • YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

      I disagree. They both had good years and yes, Colon struggled some in the second half, but I think his struggles were easily explainable as he threw more innings in Winter Ball (trying to re-establish himself), in spring training (trying to win a spot on the staff) and in regular season than he had in the 3 previous seasons combined. He simply hit the wall and why he was on the market that long still amazes me. BUT when he was healthy and at full strength his stuff was much better than Garcia’s was. 

      At the end of the day, I’m not upset that they choose Garcia over Colon, but more amazed as it didn’t seem they even gave Colon a second thought at all.

      • MB923 3 years ago

        Well my guses was that he certainly was not expecting Both pitchers to have back to back good years and they felt the chances of Garcia doing well were better than Colon.

        I agree Colon was better when he was good, but Garcia was almost consistent throughout the year. And at least last year he was reaching 89 at times. Now he seems to throw at 86 MPH max. Unless you place it on the perfect spot, you’ll get no success with a fastball topping at 86.

    • Giorgi Almonte 3 years ago

      Colon fade in 2nd half because he pitched a lot before the MLB season, he pitched more than 200 IP including…

      • Too Many Idiots 3 years ago

        He pitched 37 innings in winter ball.

        • YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

          This is where you have to put more thought into things. He was auditioning in Winter Ball, which means he was trying to impress people (he was pitching for a team managed by Tony Pena btw) as opposed to just working on a pitch or staying sharp like other mlb or minor league players. Once he impressed enough to get a minor league contract then he had to compete in spring training to earn a spot on the big league team. Let’s assume he threw 25 innings in ST. So that’s 62 IP of COMPETITIVE pitching. Then add the 164 IP he threw in the majors and that adds up to 226 IP over a 8 month period. If you add up the IP from 2007-2010 (4 seasons) he’d only thrown 200 innings total. Why was anyone shocked that he hit the wall? Add to the fact that he was never an athletic big guy like CC and it explains it all.

          Again, I’m not mad he choose Garcia over Colon but just the fact that they didn’t even seem to give him serious consideration for a return.

          • Giorgi Almonte 3 years ago

            He also pitched with the dominican team, in pre olympic, they won gold…(like 30 IP or more I guess)

  2. johnsilver 3 years ago

    He (Byrd) also made a boner in CF with a ball hit to CF on Thursday, breaking in a couple steps, then having the ball go over his head for a double, so let’s not sugar coat his defense too much here. He has done FAR better than McDonald ever can and maybe better than Ross is capable of at CF, which is his worst defensive position, but he isn’t any Crisp out there and probably isn’t any Ells either with the glove.

    Still nice to have him for almost no cost as a much needed Right handed bat in the lineup over mcDonald and him on the bench.. Where he belongs at best on a daily basis.

    • johnsmith4 3 years ago

      I wouldn’t say he came at “no cost”. Paying $6 mil salary for a 1 WAR player will create constraints in other areas.

      • blagblag4488 3 years ago

         He had a 4.4 WAR in ’10 and 2.0 WAR in ’11.  Off the top of my head, I think the Red Sox are only paying $400,000 of his salary.

        • johnsilver 3 years ago

           Correct. Cubs are paying entire cost except for pro rated league minimum and Boston only gave up the DFA’d Bowden and a PTBNL.

  3. ARod's Ring 3 years ago

    I miss A.J Burnett (sigh)

  4. East Coast Bias 3 years ago

    I would have retained Colon. Yeah, he fell off second half, but he would at the very least give you one really good half of a season. 

    Freddy’s a soft tosser. It was only a matter of time before he got lit up. I trusted Colon more, even last year, because his fastball is an actual big league fastball, and it has some sick movement! All this from someone who HATES Colon. 

    • ARod's Ring 3 years ago

      Why would you hate Colon? a big quite, gentle, teddy bear…. that was money for us last year.

      • East Coast Bias 3 years ago

        Honestly… I don’t like the way he looks. =/

        I think it goes back when he robbed Johan for the Cy a few years back. Johan should have won that year, and thus got the Cy 3 years in a row. 

        • melonis_rex 3 years ago

          I’ve always thought of him as heavily overrated, stemming back to the Cy. In recent years, every time he pitches, I expect him to be lit up into oblivion.

          And then he pitches a gem. Like today.

        • start_wearing_purple
          start_wearing_purple 3 years ago

          Yeah I never forgave the voters who decided that Colon deserved the Cy Young simply because he got 20 wins. Never mind the fact that both Santana and Rivera were much better pitcher than him that year in every other category or the fact that Colon got ridiculous run support that year.

    • johnsilver 3 years ago

       Think he also had those experimental injections into his arm to repair a partial tear to his ulnar collateral ligament 2 seasons ago, right before Boston signed him? If so, he could be another ticking time bomb since has had multiple surgeries as it is to his shoulder, TJ already before am thinking as well.

    • chico65 3 years ago

      Yes, but a colon without movement can be a very bad thing

  5. stevenfink2 3 years ago

    We could really use Colon right now.

  6. Hughes had been overrated since he was drafted I never ever thought this guy would be any better then a bullpen guy and I might even be wrong there
    why do that yankees keep giving him chances ? Ivan Nova gets treated like the red headed step child. The yankee ”brain trust” knows little about pitching.
    and then genius Cashman trades our best hitting prospect for a guy that might be done even before he started . Cashman is the luckiest man in baseball thats for sure  

    • Too Many Idiots 3 years ago

      How is Nova being treated badly? He was sent down for a couple of weeks last season to work in his slider, which made him a better pitcher. Check his first and second half stats.

  7. Jose_Bautista 3 years ago

    Can’t blame Cashman.

    He made the most logical  trades and signings, no one could have predicted Pineda’s injury or Garcia doing worse than Colon last off season.

    So yea, there’s that. I think many good starters will become available come trade deadline till than Yankees have enough offense to carry their pitching woes.

  8. Leonard Washington 3 years ago

    This upcoming season my cash was on Bartolo being better so signing Freddy over him was dumb. The Pineda move was a great move and the fallout was unforeseeable. 

  9. drumzalicious 3 years ago

    Yankees should try and buy low on Jurrjens. He seems to have fixed quite a bit in his first aaa start

  10. HHHDMS 3 years ago

    Once again its CC and the 4 ???? marks. Kuroda (sp?) hasnt been dominant, Hughes & Garcia have been awful. Nova hasnt been sharp. Hopefully Pettite will stabilize the rotation.
    Its too bad they lost Pineda for the year, I would like to have seen how well he pitched for the Yanks. Colon should have been resigned. I like him over Garcia. Colon might fade in the 2nd half but then you can put him in the bullpen. 
    I expect a lot of 8-6, 7-5, 12-10 games this year from the Yanks

    • MB923 3 years ago

       Outside of his last start, Nova has actually done well.

  11. start_wearing_purple
    start_wearing_purple 3 years ago

    To be fair, Pineda’s increases in innings from 2010 to 2011 was only about 30. Though looking at his numbers in 2009 it looks like he missed half the season, I’d be curious to know what the injury was.

    I’d love to bash Cashman for this move but personally I’d take a young potential star pitcher over a young potential star hitter. If Montero was a pure catcher it might be a different story. 

  12. Leonard Washington 3 years ago

    I agree with all that and now in hindsight its certainly a blow unless Pineda comes back 100%. Though they do have Sanchez and Romine so it was a deal from a place of very solid depth, and the move was pulled off perfectly. Those two reasons right there are predominately why I think the move was great when it was made. Need for need and from both teams place of depth. That wrapped in the bow of being totally under the radar and leaving us all speechless. Montero would have had a hard time sticking with the club down the line as well. As time goes on that DH spot is going to be increasingly unavailable with A-Rod, Jeter, and Tex rotating in it and we all know he wasn’t catching full time in NY.

  13. jed_hoyer 3 years ago

    elbow strain

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