Reds, Joey Votto Nearing Extension

Prince Fielder and Albert Pujols won't be the only first basemen to cash in with historic contracts this offseason. Joey Votto and the Reds are nearing an extension that will keep the first baseman in Cincinnati for a long time, MLBTR's Tim Dierkes and Ben Nicholson-Smith have learned. Dan Lozano of Icon Sports Group represents Votto.

Joey Votto - Reds (PW)

Terms of the deal are not known, but it wouldn't be surprising if the total contract value surpasses $200MM. Votto will earn a total of $26.5MM through 2013 on the extension he signed last winter. I suggested in January that an additional $161MM could be enough to keep Votto in place long-term.

It's a ten-year, $225MM contract according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today (on Twitter). The deal eclipses Prince Fielder's nine-year, $214MM with the Tigers.

Votto, the 2010 NL MVP, has evolved into one of the game's elite players since debuting in 2007. He followed up his MVP season with a .309/.416/.531 line, 29 homers and 40 doubles. The 28-year-old has been a seven win player each of the past two seasons, according to FanGraphs' version of wins above replacement.

Just four deals in MLB history have surpassed the $200MM mark. Fielder, Alex Rodriguez (twice) and fellow Lozano client Albert Pujols make up the select group.

Photo courtesy of US Presswire. This post was originally published on April 2nd.


133 Responses to Reds, Joey Votto Nearing Extension Leave a Reply

  1. Ben_Cherington 3 years ago

    Thank you AGON!!! This deal just keeps looking better.

  2. chico65 3 years ago

    That loud crack was the collective heartbreak of Jays fans everywhere

    • Runtime 3 years ago

      My dad’s going to throw a fit.

    • Jennifer Campbell 3 years ago

      The Blue Jays policy of not extending contracts to players beyond 5 years would have played a factor unless the ownership would have made an exception to their rule for him. I kind of thought they would try to extend him when they allowed Alonso to go in that trade for Latos. They also recognize that it would be in their best interest to lock him up long term before he hit Free Agency. St. Louis didn’t do that with Albert P. and they lost out.

    • They could have had Prince Fielder…

      • I’ll take Votto over Prince. 

        Fielder: OPS .929, OPS+ 143, RAR 195, (b-r)WAR 19.6, oWAR 24.1, dWAR -4.5

        Votto: OPS: .947, OPS+ 156, RAR 194, (b-r)WAR 6.5, oWAR 5.8, dWAR .7

    • Jays fans are now on suicide watch…

    •  I love that this is happen cause all those Blue Jays fans were so set in thinking he was going to join them.   I always thought there would be a chance he would but I never put that chance above 30 percent.

  3. mike melusky 3 years ago

    Awesome!

  4. slasher016 3 years ago

    $220MM over 10, do it!

  5. WOW!!!!!! Awesome news. Happy for Reds and their fans. I guess this will end the fantasy Votto to the Blue Jays “rumors”

  6. mwagner26 3 years ago

    If that’s true, wow.  I thought he’d end up as a free agent, and hopefully, the Reds prove me wrong.  I think that he’s worth the money, so long as Cincinnati isn’t crippling themselves further down the road.

    • notsureifsrs 3 years ago

      that’s the issue. he’s probably worth the money, but the money he’s worth will significant limit the team’s options going forward

      it’s an odd reaction to have because he’s a fantastic player, but i’m not sure i’d be thrilled with this if i were a reds fan

      • toddcoffeytime 3 years ago

        Yeah, if this is a 200+ mil commitment, as it likely should be–this is back-breaker for the franchise, unless they have a massive new TV deal in the works that I am unaware of.

        • Cincinnati isn’t a big enough market to get a big tasty TV deal like those other teams who have been getting them. 

          I read on fangraphs this morning that they’re only getting like $10MM a year on their current deal and that it runs through 2016, though I don’t know their source.

          • Robert A. 3 years ago

            This is correct. Unfortunately, the deal was signed in the mid-2000’s, which were a Black Hole decade for the Reds. I think revenue will increase with attendance and they’ll certainly get a better TV deal then they have now in 2016 and may get a better one than you’d think as far as market size goes.

            Partially because 700 WLW is a juggernaut, the Reds have one of the largest and most loyal radio audiences in all of baseball, peculiarly enough.

          • Even during the Big Red Machine years, the Reds never drew more than 2.5M. That is never going to change. 

          • MetsMagic 3 years ago

            Besides the Dodgers, the Reds were the only team to draw over two million every year from 1973 – 1979. In the four years before that, the only team to draw two million more than once was the Mets.

            You can’t compare attendance figures from 30+ years ago for different stadiums to the ones we have today. 

          • $10MM a year? That’s aweful.

          • toddcoffeytime 3 years ago

            Ouch, 10 Mil a year is just atrocious. 

        • Consider this…the reds network will not be a Cincinnati Network but a regional network where they partner with teams in Indy, Louisville, Columbus…that makes it about the same media value as Chicago, Dallas or SanFran…maybe a little more.

      • TophersReds 3 years ago

        They are willing to make a big splash like this once a decade (about). The last player? Ken Griffey Jr. Hopefully this one turns out slightly better.

      • Dc21892 3 years ago

        Similar to Pujols and St. Louis. It just wouldn’t be a good idea to make your whole organization struggle long term from investing 20-25M when that can be eating 1/4 of your payroll (on one player).

        •  The thing that many fans and other baseball people are not considering is the fact that the Reds do have the ability to raise payroll up to near 100 million.  They have been making profits of between 20 to 30 million the past few seasons.  If the team continues to stay in contention each year which it should baring any further major injuries to the team they will get more attendance and with possible playoffs more money there too.  

          I honestly am not really surprised by the move.  I have been saying for 2 years that I thought Votto would stay here he just want not ready before when they offered him his current deal.  He likes the direction the team went to get some quality players this winter. That helped a ton I think.

      • johnsilver 3 years ago

         Me either.. How exactly did that Helton contract work out for the Rockies as an example? Granted, 9/141m didn’t even approach the overall value of this deal, but it made him non moveable for seasons when the Rockies wanted to be rid of him and this Votto deal might be good for the 1st 5-6 seasons, but what exactly of the final 6?

        My gosh am I soo glad Boston got AGone for “only” 7 years now…

        These horrid deals going out to 1b now are going to weigh teams down for years.

    • If I were the Reds I would focus most of the salary on pitching. That’s what’s holding them back.

  7. InLeylandWeTrust 3 years ago

    Exciting news for Reds fans. Just hope it doesn’t hamstring the payroll too much…

  8. jmag043 3 years ago

    how can they afford this?

    • TophersReds 3 years ago

      Arroyo, Rolen, BP (likely) coming off the books. New TV deal in 2016.

      • notsureifsrs 3 years ago

        that’s good, but this also means there’s a lot less money to replace those players. arroyo is no big loss, but phillips certainly is

        • TophersReds 3 years ago

          While Phillips is a big loss, there are a few players in the minors that will be able to soften the blow.

          1. Henry Rodrigez has a great glove, pretty good bat with some power. He could become a player like Phillips, but it won’t be immediate.

          2. Billy Hamilton is expected to be ready in 2-3 years, and he stole over 100 bases in the minors last year. He needs to refine his defense, but he’ll be a top of the order hitter with little power and high OBP.

          3. Gregorious is impressing at Spring Training. He has a good amount of power, good D, and hits for some average. He would likely get the first shot at the 2B job after this year.

          The Reds can only afford to keep so many stars, and they apparently chose Votto (who wouldn’t?). Players like Phillips aren’t easy to replace, but it is easier to replace a Phillips than it is to replace a Votto. It also helps when there are several available in-house replacements.

          • notsureifsrs 3 years ago

            at $200M, i wouldn’t

            it may be slightly more difficult to replace match votto’s production than phillips’, but building around a player who plays the least-scarce position in baseball is dangerous when your resources are very limited

            i don’t like the tulowitzki contract, for example, but it’s a lot easier to understand tying your chances to the best shortstop in the game than to [one of] the best first baseman. i’m a huge votto fanboy, but there are risks with every player. injuries and off years just happen

            not trying to rain on the parade here. it’s an exciting time for cincinnati with latos and votto at the core. but this is really a pretty risky move, long-term

          • TophersReds 3 years ago

            Very true. But luckily (knock on wood), Votto has shown to injury prone. For a small market team to stay in contention, they have to make a blockbuster move every once in awhile. This looks great for now and the near future, but nobody knows how it will look in 6, 8, 10 years. A 10 year extension would only be to Votto’s 39 year old season, so at least they wouldn’t be paying him in his 40s. Griffey Jr. didn’t work out, hopefully Votto does. You can only look to the future so much when you have a chance to win now.

          • notsureifsrs 3 years ago

            true, but this move has everything to do with the future and really nothing to do with the now. they already had 2 more years of votto (his age 28 and 29 seasons)

            hope it works out

    • TophersReds 3 years ago

      I’d imagine 7-9 years, 10+ if the deal is worth $200M. Remember that Votto is only 28.

  9. Aaaaaannnnd Eric Hosmer just got more expensive…

    • slasher016 3 years ago

      Votto does not even remotely affect Hosmer.  Apples and Oranges.

    • Dude’s under team control through 2017. There has to be something more pressing you can worry about.

  10. garylanglais 3 years ago

    If this is true…bye bye Brandon Phillips. Unless the Reds want to push payroll over $90m.  But looks like Votto will be $20m-$22m and Phillips is unlikely to accept an extension unless its around $13m per.  That’s over one-third of the team payroll locked into two players.

    • I love Phillips and from a business perspective they’d be smart to get Phillips on another 2-3 years deal until Billy Hamilton is ready. I don’t think Phillips is wrong in wanting to get paid, he’s been worth it for the most part the last few years. When he stops trying to put one over the wall he’s dangerous.

      • Jacob Phillips 3 years ago

        I’m so tired of people overlooking the other guys we have at 2B in the minors who are MUCH more ready for the show than Hamilton. Billy Hamilton will NEVER be the every day 2B in Cincinnati. If anything, he needs to be moved to the outfield. Stop reading into the hype (Dave Sappelt, anyone?)
         I say let Phillips walk after this season and tell Henry Rodriguez the job is his to lose next Spring. The kid is almost there, just needs a bit more glovework. 

        • Hamilton is still easily 2-3 years away from being ready for the majors so really its hard to say at that he won’t be good at that. However, what I am saying is that we have someone proven in Phillips who we can have around for those 2-3 years until we know if he’s ready or not.

          You are right though, we do still have a nice stock of players ready to fill in but that doesn’t change the fact that I think most of them are still at least 2 years away from being ready for everyday. We’ve got a chance to win a championship now and for the next couple years so its really not the time to throw an unproven body in the middle of the field and just hope for the best.

          Also last I checked, Dave Sappelt has barely gotten time in the MLB level yet so writing him off could be a mistake too. The Reds have a great farm system and its easy to get excited about most of these guys…unless they play 3B, can’t seem to get that one working out yet.

          • TophersReds 3 years ago

            Sappelt is with the Cubs now. Sappelt, Wood, and Torreyes were all traded for Sean Marshall.

          • I’m aware of that…but that doesn’t mean that he still can’t prove himself as a good major league player.

          • Hamilton is not that far away and he certainly does project to be a starter. He hit much better the second half of last season and, of course, the speed. He could be a quick riser, and is comparable to Dee Gordon of the Dodgers. 

          • Beavis De Beppo 3 years ago

            “We’ve got a chance to win a championship now and for the next couple years so its really not the time to throw an unproven body in the middle of the field and just hope for the best.”

            2 words….Zach Cozart.

          •  I think Cozart is going to be fine been looking at his numbers from last year in short time and in the minors just before that.  Plus this spring he hit very well.  He also is a good defender too.

          • Jacob Phillips 3 years ago

            I agree that Sappelt hasn’t had the chance to prove himself, but he hasn’t exactly shut up the doubters, either. Last Spring that’s all you heard about, this kid who was quick as lightning but needed to work on other things. Sound familiar? And IMO H. Rod will not be a “fill in.” He’s the real deal, and looking at his composure during his first big league spring, I think he’s ready next year barring any major setbacks. You’ve also Gregorius waiting in the wings. I’d be interested to see if either of those guys is moved to 3B.

        • Beavis De Beppo 3 years ago

          THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!  I thought I was the only one sick of the Billy Hamilton hoopla.  Yeah, dude is hella-fast….but nothing more.  Bring on Henry Rodriguez or Didi Gregorious.

  11. I hate the idea that people think this somehow “cripples” the franchise. It extends our window of contention by 2 or 3 years. Its worth it if they can get yearly attendance up to 3 million/year. AND it increases the value of a future TV deal by itself, since Fox Sports knows Cincinnati has a marquee player. 

    • TophersReds 3 years ago

      Also to note: The Reds TV deal is up in 2016. Cincinnati may be a small market, but their TV ratings are one of the best in the bigs. They’ll be getting a TV deal anywhere from $30M to $80M a year depending on what you believe (if the Pads are really getting $75M/year).

      • Beavis De Beppo 3 years ago

        Not to mention, there has been talk of re-negotiating said deal before it expires in 2016.  I think a Votto extension only helps in this regard.

      • stl_cards16 3 years ago

        These new TV deals are really interesting with some West Coast teams leading the way.  The Cardinals are still locked into their deal for 6 more years.  I heard rumors that there were talks that the Cardinals could do like the Rangers did and extend their contract for many years down the road(20 years).  Some wanted to do this to create more immediate revenue to retain Pujols.

        They decided that it will be better in the long run to wait out this contract and either sign a new one or many believe the real plan is to follow the Yankees and have their own network.  If it took off anything like the Yankees did, it would be much more profitable than any deal with Fox Sports.

        It’s going to be really interesting seeing if the trend of these mega TV deals continues.  A lot of teams in the midwest will be up for new deals soon, we’ll see if they follow suit.

      • Market size has more to do with the TV deal than ratings.  They aren’t going to “cripple” their franchise, but it will be hard for them at the end of that contract.  Mid-market teams have much less margin for error in these deals.  If Votto declines at the end of the deal, the team will most likely decline with him.

    • The Big Red Machine never even sniffed 3 million in attendance. Even when the economy in Ohio was good, they could not support that. 

      •  How many more people live in the tri-state area now compared to the mid 70s ..  that was almost 30 years ago.  There are a whole lot more people here now that can spend money then there were back then and if they continue to keep the prices lower than most parks or around league average  then they will be making a lot more money with winning or playoff teams than they did back in the 70s.

  12. Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

    Really good move for the Reds. This guy’s gone if he hits Free Agency.

  13. 55saveslives 3 years ago

    Cain re-signs, Votto re-signs, Hamels re-signs…..Magic resigns!

    • rainyperez 3 years ago

      Exactly my thoughts. Who are the Dodgers going to sign if players sign extensions before they hit the open market. 

      • Thomas Wilson 3 years ago

        Content themselves with Ian Kinsler and Zach Grienke?

        • Stuart Brown 3 years ago

          Kinsler has an option that is a no-brainer to be picked up.

        • Kinsler will be resigned after this season. There’s no way the Rangers will let their best overall player hit FA.

        • Beavis De Beppo 3 years ago

          I’d take me some Grienke.

        • No chance Kinsler hits the market, but I’m sure that either Napoli or Hamilton won’t be resigned during the season. At least one of them will test the market.

      • ratmoss 3 years ago

        How about they sign Kershaw?  I know it seems like a foregone conclusion, but it will be a $100M+ commitment.

        • 55saveslives 3 years ago

           That is a definite, but K & K can’t do it by themselves.

  14. fitz 3 years ago

    I love how MLBTR is breaking this huge news – that’s awesome.

  15. Slopeboy 3 years ago

    Good for him!!

  16. schellis 3 years ago

    Signing players like Votto to big deals isn’t what cripples franchises.

    its signing mediocre veterans to mid range deals when the team has a cheap replacement readily available.   Looking at you Bronson Arroyo.

    Pay for excellence. (Joey Votto)
    Pay for prime years as long as you are getting something of a discount to do so (Jay Bruce)
    Stay away from long term deals for players in their 30’s unless they are the franchise (Brandon Phillips if he wants 5-6 years will likely be a mistake, allowing Larkin to walk even though he was nearing 40 would also have been one)

    Phillips is close to a face of the franchise player, but if you have to pick between him and Votto its Votto every day of the week.  

    • LazerTown 3 years ago

      Agreed, my biggest problem with phillips is his inability to take walks.  To me a .322 career obp just doesn’t cut it.  He had a good year last year, but that was his first one in his career.

      Good player, but 30 yr old 20 sb/20 hr guys with .322 obp dont deserve more than 8M in my opinion

      • TophersReds 3 years ago

        He had a 30/30 year back in 2007… Is that not good enough to be considered a good year?

        • LazerTown 3 years ago

          yes, but but that was 5 yrs ago, which in baseball is pretty irrelevant.

          In that year, arod hit 54 hr, Soriano was 1 yr removed from 46 hr/ 41 sb.

          Will either of them come close to that again?

          Sure some team may look at that and say that he “could” repeat, but in all likely hood he is on the downward slope of his career,  Even look at Utley, another NL 2b,  He had 48 doubles, 22 hr, and .410 obp.  I would not lock up phillips for 4-5 yrs that he very well may get, it is a bad contract in the making.

    • jwsox 3 years ago

      Any deal that totals 200 mill has the potential
      To be crippling to any franchise. Also any 10 year deal has that same potential. And a ten year deal for a guy who is 28 could be very bad. Yes votto is a beast and plays a non physically demanding
      Position but he will be 38 by the end of it. Not good. Just in terms of length and age. Plus the reds are a mid market team and time abs time again these deals kills mid market franchises. 5-6 year deal would have been perfect for the franchise. Let him hit free agency as a 33 year old. Not pay him 20+ for his age 34,35,36,37 and 38 year.

  17. While, I am happy that Joey Votto is staying with the Reds, because I feel this is where he belongs! However, what I would like to know is what bank did the Reds rob to afford this?

  18. TophersReds 3 years ago

    The only bad knews to come out of this is that Phillips likely wont be in a Cincinnati uniform past this season. Thanks to Phillips for the great years and great fan experience though, whoever gets him will be lucky. Votto is just more important to lock up now. I can finally stop reading all of the “Votto to here, Votto to there.”

    We’ll miss you BP if you can’t come to terms with us, but you’ll get your big payday from a team and they’ll be lucky to have you. This is one of the most monumental deals the Reds have signed (or will sign very soon) since Ken Griffy Jr, and hopefully it works out better than that deal.

    P.S. Chapman is officialy in the Bullpen in the midst of all this camotion, so that kinda sucks.

    • Beavis De Beppo 3 years ago

      Phillips is kinda screwed by the new CBA….with his salary and/or worth being real close to that league average.  I guess if he really does LOVE Cincinnati, he’ll accept arbitration for the next 3 or 4 years.  I’m not gonna’ hold my breath, though.

    • Beavis De Beppo 3 years ago

      And what is all this Chapman to the ‘pen stuff?  Where is this coming from?

      • TophersReds 3 years ago

        Dusty Baker.

      •  Yeah its official..  He is going to be the late inning lefty to at least start the season it was stated.  The bullpen is too hurt with Masset and Madson injured to start the season and Bray they are not sure he is fully recovered yet either.   As much as I hate to see this happen to Chapman they almost had to do it.  Bailey stinks out of the bullpen and Francis not real sure how he would do.  I did wonder if Leake could have been good in the bullpen but not sure.   

        Another thing I didn’t like from the MLB Article was it said Leake is the 5th starter he was the 2nd best pitcher last season in the rotation.  The only thing I could come up with why is because Arroyo is starting as #3  shameful I think..  and they didn’t want to put them back to back cause they are very similar pitching styles.

  19. Adrian Gonzalez deal is now a complete steal!

  20. monkeydung 3 years ago

    Which is a more prized possession right now? ACE or slugging/all-star first basemen?

    • TophersReds 3 years ago

      1B

    • rainyperez 3 years ago

      Considering that a pitcher has a high probability of breaking down before a first basemen does, I’d say a top tier 1B is much more valuable. This rings even more true if the DH rule is applied to the NL in the near future.

    • jwsox 3 years ago

      There are a lot more slugging all star firstbasemen then True aces.

      1b- Albert, prince, konerko, Tex, gonzo, miggy( just because he is playing some 3rd this season does not mean he is not a first basemen) hosmer will be very soon, morneau if healthy, NL Freeman, Davis, Howard( healthy) berkman, votto,

      True aces- halladay, CC, lee, kershaw, lincecum, Felix, verlander, strasburg, greinke, Cain,

      • FS54 3 years ago

        if you are willing to count Freeman, Davis, Hosmer as slugging first basemen, then what stops you from considering Hamels, Gallardo, Weaver, Haren, etc as aces.

  21. notsureifsrs 3 years ago

    kudos to MLBTR for breaking this story, btw. that’s kind of a big deal

    • TophersReds 3 years ago

      Yep. Votto and Jocketty have said publicly that they won’t really be talking about a possible extension publicly (irony).

  22. Jays should really try for Brandon Phillips now that Votto is, apparently, extended.  Not sure what the Jays will do at 1B now, though.

  23. Good for the Reds. I was partially hoping he’d hit FA then the Rangers could have replaced Hamilton with him, but oh well. Teams have to keep their guy, which means Hamilton is probably about to get a call about an extension. There’ll be no one to replace him with now.

  24. The Dodgers sale has absolutely nothing to do with this contract extension, unless you think the Reds blinked, gave in, and offered more money because they thought the Dodgers would go after him when he hit free agency. But even that is a stretch. 

  25. theobi11111 3 years ago

    makes the latos deal well worth it

  26. JacobyWanKenobi 3 years ago

    So much relief. I thought he’d end up in Boston or Toronto.

    • MB923 3 years ago

      Why would Boston who already has one of if not the best offenses in baseball, and not to mention a great 1B of their own, need Votto?

  27. At least one of the big three franchises (as of now) in the National League Central was able to keep their franchise first baseman…

  28. I’ve often argued that a Votto signing wouldn’t “cripple” the team (barring an injury disaster).

    1.  He’s going to make $19M in ’13; any raise over that isn’t going to be huge.
    2.  Arroyo’s contract will be off the books after ’13.
    3.  Three of the next four most important players (Bruce signed thru ’16/’17, Cueto signed thru ’14/15, Latos under team control thru ’15) are all signed for below market value for a number of years.  Only Phillips is not tied up long term.
    4.  Two more opening day starters (Cozart, Mesoraco) are under team control for 6 years.
    5.  While the upper minors are thin after the Latos and Marshall trades, the lower minors have a number of impact players who could be ready in 2-4 years.

    While I doubt that Cinci’s new TV contract will match San Diego’s, getting Detroit money ($40M/yr) might be realistic; heck, even getting to $20M/yr would pay for Votto’s extension.

  29. jwsox 3 years ago

    10-200 my guess. Power hitting lefty who can’t field should get that if prince got what he got

    • Uh, Votto won a Gold Glove last year.  UZR has him +4.9 r/150g and bbref has him +2 runs for his career; the worst you could say is he’s an average fielding 1b.

    • LazerTown 3 years ago

      Bit of an overpay, he is already 28, and 2 years older than prince in their fa years.  He has less power than prince, I really wouldn’t go over teix’s 8/180

      • slasher016 3 years ago

        You do realize that 10/200 is LESS than 8/180 right?  Math fail?

        • MB923 3 years ago

          So much for 10/200. Now both of their contracts have equal AAV

          10/$225 = $22.5 Mil/year
          8/$180 = $22.5 Mil/year

  30. buckeyereds 3 years ago

    In my opinion, if Votto does sign the extension this will keep the reds in contention through the 2015 season.  At least on paper.  Votto, Bruce, Latos, Cueto, Marshall, and Leake will all be on the team through then.  Everyone says it will hamstring them, but their key players are already locked in.

  31. schellis 3 years ago

    I think that Votto over the next 10 years is one of the safest bets in the game.  If the Reds got him signed for anything under 20 million annually its a win for them.  

  32. East Coast Bias 3 years ago

    Like me. 

  33.  At least that saves us from 2 years worth of articles about how the Jays are going to go after him.

  34. jeffdg 3 years ago

    Instead, it will be Morneau (if he rebounds this season). 

  35. PJaysW 3 years ago

    right, and anthopolous also put it in the media this week that he convinced Beeston that signing Romero to longer than a 3 year deal was necessary. I think this front office is progressive enough that when the need arises, previously thought-to-be-held policies will be out the window. 

  36. TophersReds 3 years ago

    Haha, the Cards will be fine without Pujols. But, if the Cards are expecting Beltran to produce like Pujols, they are in for some hurting.

  37. Thomas Wilson 3 years ago

    Ithink they are hoping Wainwright, Beltran, and Craig will fill that gap

  38. Jose_Bautista 3 years ago

    Jays had no chance when the FO clearly made it known that there is no way they will handing a contract over 5 years in length.

    So, I think most fans knew Votto had no chance to be a Jay.

    I am happy though, players should where they start their careers. Just seems right that way.

  39. Jaysfan724 3 years ago

    Not really

  40. Gunner65 3 years ago

    Yep … especially those that were talking smack and guaranteeing he’d be in their teams uni as soon as his current deal ran out. I’ll add in the Card fans who also ranted about how there was no way the Reds would be able to retain him

  41. I get that a team wouldn’t want to hand out 6+ years in a contract, but at what point would they cave, and offer that? I mean, at some point you would have to. Otherwise, you would never obtain any legit free agents. There will always be a team willing to offer more than 5 years.

  42. MB923 3 years ago

    Didn’t the FO mention that they are going to be increasing payroll in the near future anyway?

  43. Beavis De Beppo 3 years ago

    Yeah, but if Votto is acknowledging that they are close, you have to think it is all but a done deal.

  44. stl_cards16 3 years ago

    Don’t kid yourself, you try to “add in the Card fans” any chance you get.  St. Louis doesn’t care if Votto is there.

  45. MB923 3 years ago

    Gold gloves are useless, and Range Factor is not a great stat for 1B. (Heck Adrian Gonzalez had the 2nd worst range factor in the AL and he’s one of the best defensive 1B)

  46. MB923 3 years ago

    I never claimed to be Mr. Genius but I’d say I’m smart enough to know that Gold Gloves are useless to judge players defensively. 

    I suppose you use wins and losses for pitchers right? 

  47. MB923 3 years ago

    I never said he was bad defensively, that was someone else, but you never mentioned UZR or defensive wins as your argument. You used Gold Gloves and Range Factor.

    And yes I usually use UZR

  48.  They don’t care???  I highly doubt that.  I think front office just made a heavy sigh collectively for the Cardinals.

  49. Gunner65 3 years ago

     Yeah right … that is why they were popping off about it when he signed that 3 year deal. So I’d have to say you are the one kidding yourself about your fellow fans lol

  50. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    yes by way of extensions for young players, not bringing in FA’s

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