Dodgers, Astros Discussing Trade

10:11pm: The Dodgers asked about Lowrie, but he's not in the current talks, tweets Buster Olney of ESPN.com.  A source says that there's a 50-50 shot that Carlos Lee accepts a deal to Los Angeles for pitching prospects.

9:57pm: Dodgers‬' talks with ‪Astros‬ involve Carlos Lee, not Jed Lowrie, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter).  Lee would need to a approve deal and has the right to block a deal to the Dodgers.

9:02pm: The Dodgers are talking to the Astros about a trade that would send Jed Lowrie to the Dodgers with minor-leaguers Zach Lee and Garrett Gould headed to Houston, according to Buster Olney of ESPN.com (via Twitter).  One source place the odds of the deal taking place at about 50-50 right now, Olney tweets.

Sources also say that others could be involved in the talks, according to Olney (via Twitter).  Lowrie would provide the Dodgers with options at shortstop and third base to go along with a power bat.  The 28-year-old has a .262/.350/.492 slash line with 14 homers in 68 games this year.

Lee, 20, was the Dodgers' first-round pick in 2010 and signed with the club over attending LSU on a football scholarship.  The right-hander was promoted to Double-A Chattanooga earlier this week after turning in a 4.55 ERA with 8.5 K/9 and 1.6 BB/9 in 12 California League starts in 2012.

Gould, also a right-hander, was the club's second-round pick in '09 out of Wichita, Kansas.  The soon-to-be 21-year-old has made 12 starts and three relief appearances in the California League this year, posting a 5.12 ERA with 9.0 K/9 and 3.0 BB/9.


141 Responses to Dodgers, Astros Discussing Trade Leave a Reply

  1. unvme7 3 years ago

    Astros should just keep him…

  2. Joey E 3 years ago

    as a dodger fan, SMH

  3. ateam043 3 years ago

    Wait…what? Someone lock Colleti before he does something stupid…again.

  4. Wait. Isn’t Zach Lee like… good?

    • cubs223425 3 years ago

      Ehh, he’s not doing that well right now, 4.03 FIP at high-A.

      • Not that minor league numbers mean much, but a 4 FIP in that league is just fine.

        • cubs223425 3 years ago

          Fair enough, but I’d still like to see him do more against low-end minors competition before I truly call him good. His first AA start was a good…start.

    • bigpat 3 years ago

       Lowrie is also good, and cheap. Not like they are just picking up a vet who’s an impending FA. They will have to give up something quality because the Astros can just keep him affordably for the next few years.

  5. melonis_rex 3 years ago

    If Luhnow can pull this off, he’s automatically one of my favorite GMs in the game.

    • $17867741 3 years ago

      I’m not too familiar with the Dodger’s farm system. Are Lee and Gould considered to be B-type prospects or are the stats just lower than what their potential indicates?

      • sdsuphilip 3 years ago

        Yeah Zach Lee is consider a B/B+ type prospect while Gould is a solid B, Gould may have the highest upside of anyone in the system but is  risky with inconsistent mechanics.

      • If you know anything about the California leagues, you would know that anything in the 4’s is good.  They are big time hitters parks.

      • thegrayrace 3 years ago

        Zach Lee is probably considered the Dodger’s top prospect. He’s a recent first round draft pick so he’s not as far along as guys like De La Rosa, Eovaldi, Webster, etc… but he has plenty of upside. Probably not an ace, but a solid #2/#3 starter.
        Gould would be in the lower top 10 of Dodger prospects, but still young with plenty of upside.
        As a Dodger fan I’m not happy about giving either of them up. But we have pretty solid pitching depth in the minors. Bats are needed.

        • Andrew Lujan 3 years ago

          Lee is considered an A-, gold at best a C right now. its a fair trade

    • TheLoLgen 3 years ago

      As a Cardinal fan who has seen the draft picks that Luhnow was a key part in selecting in St. Louis, and the fantastic draft that the Astros just had, I’m glad that the Astros are moving to the AL West.  If a few of those guys pan out, they’re going to be a good team again, and soon

  6. Hard to part with a young shortstop who hits, but given how hard a time Lowrie has had staying healthy, and how far the Astros are from winning, it makes some sense to flip him. Regardless, they get a sweet return for Melancon.

  7.  Since when is Jed Lowrie a premier shortstop?

    • Since Bryan LaHair is a premiere 1B

    • Andrew Lujan 3 years ago

      Since he is in the top five in the league in OPS, WAR, Home Runs, and RBI’s?

      • Half of one season means a lot.

      • notsureifsrs 3 years ago

        “since like 2 months ago”

      • Casor_Greener 3 years ago

        Funny, when he was a member of the Red Sox, everyone said Lowrie had great potential.  Now he’s an Astro, he is over rated.  funny how these boards work.

        • EvilAbed 3 years ago

          no one said he sucks. but he was traded for mark freaking melancon.

          •  Which really says something about him because, like, the Red Sox ONLY make really intelligent moves and signings, right…?

          • vtadave 3 years ago

            …and Jeff Bagwell was traded for Larry freaking Anderson

    • withpower 3 years ago

      He’s 8th in the NL in HR this year and in his earlier career he was league average with the bat.

      Outside of Tulowitzki, Cabrera, and Hardy.. are there really any legit 20 HR bats at SS?

      • Dylan 3 years ago

        Jimmy Rollins, Ian Desmond, and if you’re going to include Lowrie, you have to include Aviles.

        • withpower 3 years ago

           Well Jimmy, sure, I forgot about him but he’s turned it on a bit now that I’m looking up his stats.  Either way, he’s making like 10MM per year, so it’s not quite the same thing.

          Desmond I like, I didn’t realize he had that many on the year so far.  Him and Hardy are having pretty similar seasons.  I like Aviles, too, but there’s a gap there in BB%, but Aviles does in fact end up in the same place Lowrie was prior to this year: a .732 OPS, so yeah, point to you.

      • cubs223425 3 years ago

        So 20 HR is the ultimate tool for gauging a SS’s value?

        • tmengd 3 years ago

           he is on a pace to hit 35 Hr at the moment not 20. Only a couple of SS in the Majors could do that. If he stay healthy, this would give the Dodgers a huge offensive present between Either and Kemp

          • cubs223425 3 years ago

            I’m not saying he can’t just that the guy I replied to pointed out 20HR power as a legitimate measuring stick for value, while ignoring the rest of his skills.

          •  The rest of his skills like the well-above-average plate discipline and plus defense at 2B, 3B AND SS? Those the other skills you mean?

        • withpower 3 years ago

          Huh?  The guy can legitimately play the position, BB rate approaching 12% and has power.

          He is a legitimate middle of the order hitter who is a clear upgrade for the Dodgers at potentially three infield positions.

          • cubs223425 3 years ago

            You’re the one who only decided to point out his power, not me. Also, he’s sitting slgihtly below-average on defense right now, at a 0.1 UZR.

          • withpower 3 years ago

             There’s this guy in New York who put up worse defensive numbers than that.  It worked out okay.

          • cubs223425 3 years ago

            You’re making the silly assumption that I think Derek Jeter shouldn’t have been kicked off of SS when Rodriguez arrived, if not before. That he’s won 5 Gold Gloves is one of the most pathetic things in sports.

          • withpower 3 years ago

            As a Yankee fan who’s watched a lot of games over the period A-Rod has been here, I doubt he would have been better than Jeter outside of his first couple of years here.

          • cubs223425 3 years ago

            Umm…he’s never been a SS there. He was a good defensive SS with Texas. Maybe letting stick there would have been better for him. If anything, he certainly couldn’t have been worse.

          • withpower 3 years ago

             Right.. I know.  Outside of a few games, he hasn’t played much SS for us.  I’m just informing you that his defense over at 3B has been kind of up and down during his tenure with us, and he had gotten a little bigger, so I’m not sure how well he would have handled SS in the long run.

            Also, not for nothing, but Jeter did post several of his strongest defensive seasons at SS during this period so it’s not like it was the end of the world.

          •  +1.5 UZR at SS in 2012, what are you looking at…?

          • He’s probably not looking at half of a season worth of defensive metric data, for starters.

  8. Good trade for the Astros if it goes down. They’d replenish a very thin farm from the top in the past year if you add Lee to McMullers, Correa, Singleton and Cosart.

    • sdsuphilip 3 years ago

      Springer, Santana, and Ruiz are significant prospects as well. Gould is a good high upside arm that would make their top 20 easy too.

  9. Mike C. 3 years ago

    Astros would have done the unthinkable in the span of a few months…

    Bought Lowrie dirt cheap and sold him way too high… 

    These are not your father’s Astros… 

  10. Roy Baker 3 years ago

    This would be a steal for us. Do it, Dodgers so us Astro fans can build Luhnow’s statue…

  11. Guest1985 3 years ago

    Jesus, just a couple months ago all the Red Sox got for Lowrie was Melancon. I know he’s having a solid year, but that’s a little much Ned

  12. Dodger fans, how does Ned Colleti still have a job?

  13. ThinkBlue10 3 years ago

    This better not be true, dammit! Ned get out of here already!

  14. Carlos Santana for Casey Blake. Smh

  15. theophilus166 3 years ago

    Zach Lee was our #1 pick.  Why would we trade him for a shortstop who’s career high in home runs is the 14 he’s had this year, and is a career .255 hitter?  If he trades Lee for Lowrie, he needs to go. 

    • Yes, THIS would be the last straw.  He doesn’t need to go now, because throwing together the most expensive replacement-level team in history wasn’t bad enough.  But I’ll be gosh darned if this trade goes through and Coletti doesn’t get sacked.

  16. PLease tell me that at least Carlos Lee is coming to the dodgers too…otherwise this is just classic Ned.

    • IdontknowwhyIpostonforums 3 years ago

      May have something to do with the team being in first place for almost the entire season.

  17. Swap Zach Lee for Uribe and ya got yerself a deal!

  18. This better not be true…i’m about to flip my lid.

  19. Carlos Lee and Lawrie for Lee and Gould ? others involved

  20. richardb21 3 years ago

    I wonder how Luhnow does it. If he pulls this off I would have loved to see what he could have gotten for Pence and Bourn last year. This could make it look like melancon for lee gould and weiland.

  21. Aramos033 3 years ago

    No Ned!!, if this is true he’s just asking to get fired already

  22. i will wake up any second. DON’T DO IT NED!!! wtffffff

  23. Chris Hernandez 3 years ago

    I hope Ned Colletti is………………..I can’t say it my comment would be deleted. This is outrageous. Someone was saying we might be getting Carlos Lee too??!?! This is so awful. There’s other ways of winning without depleting your farm for some flukey 28 year old who is having an above average 6freaking8 games……………………………………………………………………….

  24. colletti is jim hendry with a mustache

  25. doyers 3 years ago

    why would we do this trade hopefully the other involved is either Carlos Lee or Wandy Rodriguez.if its Carlos lee he can play first base while lowrie moves over to third base and our lineup gets some offensive help with some power.

  26. sdsuphilip 3 years ago

    Gould is a really high upside arm with some risk, this seems like a bad deal for dodgers, Lowrie has been about a league average offensive player since in the league (career wRC+ 101) he is a solid above average player but not one you use 2 of your top 5 prospects on, especially in a weak system where you need to improve your farm.

  27. doyers 3 years ago

    if the deal is just lowrie it would be a bad trade since we would be giving away two top pitching prospects

  28. BVHjays 3 years ago

    Rosenthal tweets that the trade is not for Jed Lowrie, but rather Carlos Lee.

  29. Rosenthal saying that Lowrie isn’t involved, Carlos Lee is instead.

  30. richardb21 3 years ago

    No Zach Lee involved probably if its for Carlos. Bummer. Holding out hope for a Beltran, Wheeler type trade like last year, but probably not. Lee for Lee why would LAD do that?

  31. BVHjays 3 years ago

    Tim Brown confirms that the Dodgers and Astros are talking Carlos Lee, but says that as of now, Zach Lee is not on the table.

  32. Mike C. 3 years ago

    Carlos Lee has 5 more HRs this year than me… 

    Hardly the big bat the Dodgers need!

    Just play James Loney if you want 8 to 12 HRs from your 1B.

  33. thegrayrace 3 years ago

    Bad deal for the Dodgers even if it is both Carlos Lee and Jed Lowrie. Lowrie isn’t worth Zach Lee (Gould would be OK), and Lee isn’t worth his contract… if the Dodgers are taking on Lee’s salary, Houston should pretty much be giving him away.

    • derail76 3 years ago

      Kinda goes against what Kasten just said, where he would be willing to pay money instead of giving prospects. You would think Carlos Lee is more of a salary dump, so why give a prospect at all? Lowrie may have been worth one of them, but we hear that he is no longer part of the deal. And like the guy below me points out, C. Lee has 5 homeruns.. seems the Dodgers could be patient and find something better if its going to take a top prospect. And Lee still has to agree to it, which he obviously doesn’t seem to thrilled about doing.

  34. Dynasty22 3 years ago

    Ned has got to be the easiest GM to fleece prospects from, no?

    • Phillies_Aces35 3 years ago

      Kenny Williams and Ruben Amaro to some degree (although he actually acquires good players).

  35. stros1fan 3 years ago

    Apparently, Jed Lowrie and Zach Lee are not in the trade, at present. 

  36. doyers 3 years ago

    tim brown from yahoo sports says Zach lee is not part of carlos lee deal as of now which is good since he is our top pitching prospect.

  37. RHairston11 3 years ago

    A deal might be somewhat imminent. Gould got scratched from start tonight, and Lowrie didn’t play in today’s game.

    •  They said during the game that Lowrie was given the day off because he needed one and they were facing a lefty(he’s done his best hitting from the left side this season).  He did pinch hit.

  38. stros1fan 3 years ago

    I am hearing the Dodgers are offering Gould and Chris Reed, but the Astros are pushing hard for Zach Lee.

      • stros1fan 3 years ago

        You are probably not going to buy this, but I am good friends with Zach’s uncle (he used to be my boss at a prior employer) and we have been texting back and forth.

    • Mike C. 3 years ago

      For Lowrie or Lee? 

      Isn’t Carlos Lee based on his contract and declining skills have negative not positive trade? 

  39. stros1fan 3 years ago

     
    If I was the Astros I would include Lowrie if the Dodgers included Zach Lee. 

  40. thegrayrace 3 years ago

    I wonder if the Dodgers send Uribe or Loney to Houston to balance Carlos Lee’s contract. Loney is from Houston, maybe he’ll do better closer to home…

    • Paul H. 3 years ago

      Doubt they’d want him, the Astros will surely call up Wallace to takeover.

  41. Nick Schneider 3 years ago

    if the Astros can get rid of Carlos Lee, i don’t care what they get in return. 

    although Zach Lee would be nice

  42. tomymogo 3 years ago

    Bryan Lahair and Ryan Demster make more sense

  43. wow wat are the dodgers thinking !!! lee and gould for C.Lee 

  44. Ned Colletti is brainless if he does this deal.
    I wouldn’t give the Astros anything!

    • Mike C. 3 years ago

      Isn’t he brainless regardless if he makes another horrible trade.  

  45. i am hearing that the trade will be carlos lee for garret gould per los angeles cbs 

    • That’s acceptable, I guess.  

      • Mike C. 3 years ago

        Unacceptable!

        Lee has negative trade value.  Astros should “SEND” the Dodgers a prospect with Lee for the Dodgers to eat that much money for a powerless, putrid defender, who can’t run and if you look at his road splits and consider Dodger Stadium, he is an older James Loney on the road.  

  46. Carlos is gonna bring Zack Lee!!! NIIIIIICE. Lee for Lee and maybe Garrett Gould? Gould will be up in 2014…..go STROS!

  47. Dee Gordon and a couple prospects will be in a deal for Greinke if the Dodgers get Lowrie.

    • thegrayrace 3 years ago

      The Dodgers would use Lowrie at 3B. Gordon isn’t being moved.

  48. john 3 years ago

    If Astros could pull this off, this could be huge.

    It’d be nice to see them get some hitting prospects, even though they have addressed that with the Pence trade and recent draft picks.

    Zach Lee would be huge and Gould is solid, as well.

  49. Nick Daniels 3 years ago

    Get Morneau instead.

  50. the Astros will def stock pile Pitching since they are moving to the AL. — like the guy that says he knows someone with Zach Lee…i know the guy that dates Pam Gardner from the Stros and have friends that know Pence…we all knew last year he was getting traded to Philly before it was announced…the goal was to stock pile young pitching to compete in the AL….or in hopes to compete in the AL that is

  51. dshires4 3 years ago

    If this is true, and the Dodgers are going to trade Zach Lee for Carlos Lee, then the next move the new Dodgers owners need to take is to find a new GM and literally behead Colletti in front of him.

  52. bennyblancola 3 years ago

    Please Ned….DON’T DO IT! We don’t need another aging paperweight!

  53. Flames562 3 years ago

    Not bad if we could see this lineup towards the end of the year..

    Gordon
    M. Ellis
    Kemp
    Ethier
    Puig
    Lee
    A. Ellis
    Hairston

  54. Flames562 3 years ago

    Not bad if it looked like that towards the end of the season…

    Gordon
    M. Ellis
    Kemp
    Ethier
    Puig
    C.Lee
    A. Ellis
    Hairston

    • I’d be amazed if Puig was ready by the end of this year, Abreu should stopgap until next season.

    • asovermann 3 years ago

      Yeah if only Puig wasn’t at least a year away…

  55. BruceP 3 years ago

    If Lowrie has 14 home runs in Houston, then James Loney would have 25 in a season there, and Uribe would top his 2010 number in San Francisco. You can’t judge him by what he’s hitting in a band box like Minute Made Park. He won’t hit like that at Dodger Stadium.

    • withpower 3 years ago

       His splits aren’t terribly dramatic so far this season.

    • He has 8hr at home and 6 on the road. That’s hardly a home-park advantage to cry about. 

      Besides if the Dodgers passed up on every power hitter because their stats would be depressed in Dodger stadium, they’d have a team full of Loney’s and Uribe’s….. oh wait they do. 

  56. davengmusic 3 years ago

    Is Jeff Luhnow using subliminal message background music when he talks to people?  He’s making really difficult tasks (trading Carlos Lee, stealing Jed Lowrie, signing all his important picks) look way too easy.

    Or maybe I’m still used to Ed Wade getting next to nothing useful done at all.

  57. don’t hate on Ed to much…he did acquire 2 of the Best prospects from his beloved Phillies for the Stros to build around. Cosart and Singleton are easily top 40 of ALL Prospects in MLB right now. 

  58. Joey E 3 years ago

    injury prone and our TOP prospect and another probably in the top 10. just a bad trade

  59. Andrew Lujan 3 years ago

    for an upgrade at shortstop? if you do your research you’ll see that you guys need help there and Lowrie’s injuries are all of the freak variety. You guys have one of the worst farm’s in the league, your number 10 prospect means virtually nothing to us.

  60. cubs223425 3 years ago

    At the same time, both pitchers are doing somewhat poorly (though with decent peripherals). It’s not like the Dodgers are dealing top prospects from a high-end farm. They’re not great prospects, especially not with their current production. I’d probably lean against that move, though.

  61. Zach Lee would be great for the Astros.

  62. Joey E 3 years ago

    not even going to play short with us

  63. thegrayrace 3 years ago

    The Dodgers farm system is pretty solid on the pitching side. De La Rosa, Webster, Lee, Gould, Reed, Withrow, Martin, Eovaldi, Tolleson, Sanchez are all strong, high upside arms.

    They are extremely thin on decent positional prospects, however.

  64. asovermann 3 years ago

    Garret Gould is pretty damn good lol

  65. withpower 3 years ago

     Boston has been kind of selling very low and buying pretty high the last couple seasons.

  66. melonis_rex 3 years ago

    3B is just as barren offensively leaguewide.

  67. withpower 3 years ago

     I didn’t say he was.  I’m just saying the guy is a legit 20 HR bat who can take a walk.

  68. withpower 3 years ago

     He’s a career .829 OPS hitter in the minors who showed good power with Boston when he wasn’t hurt by freak injuries.

    He’s 28, he isn’t a free agent until 2015.  It’s not really a complicated move.  He’s an upgrade.

  69. thegrayrace 3 years ago

    The Dodgers farm is far below average when it comes to positional prospects, certainly one of the worst in baseball, but they’re in pretty good shape on the pitching side. Lee, Webster, Reed, Sanchez, Withrow, Martin, Tolleson, Gould, Eovaldi and De La Rosa are all high upside arms. The Dodgers would be dealing from their position of strength in this trade.

  70. So the Dodgers and Astros are negotiating a deal, and yet we’re letting Zack Lee’s uncle know the updates?  Not even Zack Lee himself, or his agent, but his uncle??

  71. Ryan H 3 years ago

    That’s a terrible deal. Houston would be sending 3/4 of their infield in that trade.

  72. what else you need to know? lol

  73. ARod's Ring 3 years ago

    Dodgers fan want teams to resolve all their problems with one trade lol. for prospects (not a sure thing)

  74. The astros would be giving too much up in that deal but I like the fact that Chris Johnson was in there . jimmy paredes is a beast I want him to play 3rd for us !

  75.  2/4ths of our infield is junk, what do we care? Lee is blocking Wallace, we have a Rule 5 guy who’s a capable defensive SS, and my grandmother would be an upgrade over Johnson.

  76.  More like decades, Ruth for cash considerations, LOL.

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