Cafardo On Beckett, Quentin, Hernandez, Phillies

In today's column, Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe hands out his midseason awards.  His award for "Most Surprising Team" so far goes to the White Sox in the American League and the Mets in the National League.  Cafardo credits the Mets' management team of Sandy Alderson, Paul DePodesta, and J.P. Ricciardi for piecing together the scraps and overshadowing the team's Bernie Madoff public relations nightmare.  Here's more from today's piece..

  • Red Sox starter Josh Beckett can block any deal with his ten-and-five rights, but it wouldn’t shock baseball people if Boston eventually pursues it. “He would get some interest if some of the money was absorbed,” said one National League GM. “He’s not what he was, but he can still pitch. He’s got the postseason resume and still seems to have some competitiveness on the mound, which are all things you look for. The things you have to evaluate would be the issues in the clubhouse, to some extent, and breaking down a little more than he used to.
  • Earlier today we learned that the Pirates have had preliminary talks with the Padres about Carlos Quentin.  Cafardo writes that the outfielder could be the next big bat to go and would also be desirable for the Dodgers and Blue Jays.
  • Mariners General Manager Jack Zduriencik keeps insisting he will not trade Felix Hernandez, but he would likely be able to take care of three or four positions by doing so.  However, Zduriencik has been tempted with great offers in the past and declined to part with the right-hander.
  • While the Phillies are obviously giving serious thought to dealing Cole Hamels, one consideration for the club is that they have aging pitchers in Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee, and Hamels is younger.  The 28-year-old would be even more valuable down the road and rebuilding in Philadelphia is tough. 


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108 Comments on "Cafardo On Beckett, Quentin, Hernandez, Phillies"


Harrison
3 years 1 month ago

i would love to move beckett. I would also love to see the red sox move a lester. We need to mix up our roster and clearly the sox arn’t going anywhere this year.

FacelessGeneralManager
3 years 1 month ago

Honestly i think you need a new manager first

Harrison
3 years 1 month ago

Kidding me?!? Hes done a hell of a job with half our starters on the DL. We need to change the roster up. with bradley jr and barnes coming fast, move ellsbury when he gets healthy and lester.

FacelessGeneralManager
3 years 1 month ago

What do you think it would take for the Nats to get Ellsbury?

Harrison
3 years 1 month ago

harper or strasburg. lol jk idk i really don tknow their farm system. i would rather see ellsbury go to mariners his hometown.

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

Right now?  More than they would be willing to give up.  Boston would be working from the perspective that he is what he was last year, and the Nats would be working from the perspective that he’s injured and last year was a fluke.  Boston really has nothing to lose by hanging onto him for now, and everything to lose if they trade him too soon/while his value is low.  If they hang onto him there’s at least a chance that he comes back and plays like last year, and then they could get way more for him, so there’s really no reason to trade him right now.

I don’t think Boston really entertains trade offers for him until he has been healthy for a while and shown whether last year was a fluke or not, unless a team is willing to gamble on last year not being a fluke and is willing to give up prospects accordingly.  If they trade him it almost certainly wont be until this off-season.

Harrison
3 years 1 month ago

i dont want the sox to resign ellsbury anyways. no need to have 2 20mm oOF’s on the roster and plus we have bradley jr waiting.

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

As good as Bradley is, he’s not going to be what Ellsbury is.  And it’s far from certain that Ellsbury will get $20m at this point.  I think he needs to come back healthy, stay healthy, and play at last year’s level for the next year and a half to get that kind of money, and if he does that he will be worth that money anyway.

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

when you say, “what ellsbury is”, do you mean what he was in 2011 or something in between 2011 and the rest of his career?

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

Something in between.  And I guess what I should have said is he’s unlikely to be, because Ellsbury was unlikely to be what he actually became when he was a prospect.

I think Ellsbury’s career averages would be a reasonable ceiling for Bradley (value wise; they are obviously different types of players, and Bradley would do it with a higher OBP and fewer steals).

Err.. I guess the best way to put it is Ellsbury has averaged just over 5 WAR per 150 games, and I think that that is probably the absolute perfect world scenario for Bradley.

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

all true facts. bradley’s got a very good chance to be an elite table-setter, though, with above average centerfield defense

ellsbury’s 2011 was phenomenal and fun to watch, but i think we both agree it’s not worth paying the price for the chance to see it again

if ellsbury lights up the last couple months of the season, i’m all ears for trade offers

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

Oh, absolutely.  I agree completely with all of that.

I was just trying to dispel the notion that Bradley is going “replace” Ellsbury, or that Bradley is reason enough to let Ellsbury go.

The combination of the (presumed) future contract, the chance to sell high (if he comes back on a high note), plus Bradley being around makes a good reason to move Ellsbury, but you don’t move a guy like Ellsbury just because Bradley is in AA.

Honestly, if they could extend Ellsbury at a reasonable price, I would love an outfield of Crawford, Ellsbury, and Bradley – at least on paper (it would maybe be odd to move someone who is as good defensively as Bradley to RF, but he has the arm for it, and having a good CF in Fenway’s RF isn’t a bad idea).

ColonelBoston
3 years 1 month ago

Agreed. Bobby V isn’t the problem, players’ health & their reluctance to accept a new skipper is the problem. Theo left this team in absolute shambles w/ all his amazingly bad contracts. This problem is going to take a couple of more years to fix because too many contracts like Crawford & Lackey are too big to move. Hell, even Agon is a giant disappointment w/ his 12 HR pace…

Plus, on any given night the Sox have a spot starter on the mound & more guys in the lineup that were in AAA in April than in the bigs — what’s Bobby V supposed to do?

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

Actually communicating with the players would be a good start.  Not running players out of town would be a nice second step.  Then maybe he could work on his in-game management.

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

“Theo left this team in absolute shambles”

“even Agon is a giant disappointment”

i am begging you to find another team to root for. fans like you make me want the red sox to lose forever

flickadave
3 years 1 month ago

So, you are happy with the production that the Sox are getting out of AGon this season? I’m sorry but for $21 million I would hope for better than that. Which leads us tooooo….

The Red Sox ARE an absolute shambles and it’s only going to get worse. The contracts that Theo gave Crawford, Lackey, AGon, etc. are going to cripple the Sox ability to sign and retain players for years to come. I know that you are a Theo fanboi but come on. Reality is reality.

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

Gonzalez is one of the best hitters in the game, don’t let 3 months worth of sample fool you.

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

thanks in large part to theo, you have no idea what a team in shambles looks like

johnsilver
3 years 1 month ago

 Yaz was brutal in 71-72 also, then came back and was pretty decent the rest of his 10 year career. Only after the ’71 season did fans find out he had that injury that ortiz had a few years back with his wrist.. Forget the name of it that robs one of their power and motion in it and Yaz postponed surgery until after the season and wasn’t right the next year even the surgery was so new.

Point? Gonzalez might be playing hurt now, or even still having effects from his shoulder surgery from a season and a half ago lingering. We don’t know. At least the Fenway “faithful” are not booing him like they did Yaz for 2 seasons….

melonis_rex
3 years 1 month ago

 if gonzalez is playing hurt, he needs to be DLed NOW.

flickadave
3 years 1 month ago

I believe that you are probably right the AGon is fighting thru some sort of injury but that doesn’t change the fact that he is currently a huge disappointment. Hopefully things turn around and he becomes the productive hitter that we traded for. I just take offense to being told to find another team to root for simply because I can look at things objectively.

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

Valentine is a disaster, he’s been forced to play the replacement guys because of the injuries, it’s simple luck that it has worked out as well as it has.  And he created half the problems in the clubhouse, and he was the reason for them having to trade Youkilis when they did, for as little as they did, while still paying most of his salary.

His bullpen use is ridiculous, he sends guys in non running situations, he gives away out with sacrifice bunts in the worst situations, and he is terrible when it comes to communication with his players.

If he makes it the rest of the season he should be fired before next year.

3 years 1 month ago

no thanks to quentin

wilchiro
3 years 1 month ago

If the Red Sox offered Lester, Ellsbury, and Iglesias like Cafardo suggests, Jack Z better jump on that. In fact I think he may have been joking when he said that but I can’t tell?

Harrison
3 years 1 month ago

id trade lester, ellsbury, and a propsect for hernandez, walker and paxton.

sports33
3 years 1 month ago

Yeah but the Mariners wouldn’t, and trading is a two-way street.

3 years 1 month ago

 Zduriencik wouldn’t even listen to that offer.

harmony55
3 years 1 month ago

How about a trade of Jacoby Ellsbury for Seattle lefthander Jason Vargas?

Jacoby Ellsbury, DOB 9-11-83, controlled through 2013, 2012 salary $8.05 million
Jason Vargas, DOB 2-2-83, controlled through 2013, 2012 salary $4.85 million

The Red Sox get salary relief in their attempt to get under the luxury tax threshold by acquiring a dependable starter who has made 82 starts since the beginning of the 2010 season for an outfielder who has played in only 183 of his team’s 409 games over the same period. Throw out one of Vargas’ 19 starts this season and his ERA drops from 4.07 to 3.48.

I compare it to the difference between investing in the bond market (safe investment for modest return) and investing in a volatile stock market (risky investment for a potentially high return … or loss).

I’m only half-serious, but this proposal is more realistic than the proposal tha included Felix Hernandez, Taijuan Walker and James Paxton.

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

I don’t think the general idea is a terrible one, but Vargas appears to be a product of SafeCo (low strikeout rate, low groundball rate, and a FIP quite a bit higher than his ERA), and Boston doesn’t lack back of the rotation starters, they lack top of the rotation pitchers, so Vargas (even assuming he isn’t completely a product of SafeCo) wouldn’t really be an upgrade to their rotation.  And unless they move him in a deal for a true top of the rotation pitcher they would likely prefer to get prospects for him.

harmony55
3 years 1 month ago

By the same token, Jacoby Ellsbury would probably be no more than a .265/.310/.400/.710 hitter playing in the American League West with half his games at Safeco Field.

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

only if he decided to bat right-handed there

harmony55
3 years 1 month ago

I was giving Jacoby Ellsbury the benefit of the doubt that he would improve on his career performance at American League West ballparks:

LAA 62 PA, .263/.323/.298/.621
TEX 65 PA, .217/.277/.383/.660
OAK 36 PA, .143/.167/.143/.310
SEA 53 PA, .250/.308/.375/.683

Looking ahead, and based on an even smaller sample, Ellsbury has fared much better in Houston:

HOU 21 PA, .278/.381/.444/.825

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

he is 4-for-5 when wearing superman underwear, though, so as long as he wears those out west he’ll be fine

that’s a valid analysis right

harmony55
3 years 1 month ago

My limited-sample analysis offered 216 plate appearances of reality while your analysis offered … well, some Superman fantasy.

However, I agree that we can draw no conclusions from Will Middlebrooks’ even smaller sample of MLB plate appearances.

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

it does make a lot of sense to bring up will middlebrooks right now

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

As notsureifsrs is alluding to, the sizes of those samples make them utterly useless.  That’s like asking how he does in day games on Tuesday in May.

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

Aside from last year power was never really part of his game (and it’s likely not a big part of his game going forward); he’s always been a gap hitter, and SafeCo isn’t going to hurt that (like Reyes playing in Citi Field).

Bob9988
3 years 1 month ago

 I’m OK with that.  Vargas might give up a few more hits off the monster, but it probably would reduce his home run rate.  But a straight swap isn’t going to do it.  Seattle will have to kick in something else.

3 years 1 month ago

for s pitcher struggling and injury plaqued player for a top 5 pitcher and top prospect, oh kay keep smoking.

Bob9988
3 years 1 month ago

 Um…no.  We’ll just leave it at that.

Harrison
3 years 1 month ago

first off that trade is pretty even when ellsbury is healthy. A healthy ellsbury would easily fetch walker and paxton.

harmony55
3 years 1 month ago

That’s less than 1.5 years of a nearly 29-year-old outfielder who has played in only 183 of his team’s last 409 games (and who becomes a free agent after the 2013 season with Scott Boras as his agent) for six years each of two of baseball’s top-ranked pitching prospects.

You might want to reconsider your position.

Tyrell Osborne
3 years 1 month ago

 Not even.. Walker has been compared to Bob Gibson, and Dwight Gooden, its not going to happen..

Jim McGrath
3 years 1 month ago

Lester has been in the Majors 7 years and has pitched about 440 fewer innings. That indicates to me you’re talking about a lot less wear and tear on the arm. Comparatively Felix is a better pitcher.  Lester is from WA state–Ells is from the Northwest and would be an upgrade in CF. Iggy would stabilize the SS position for the M’s as would Ciriaco or Bogaerts.

You could get creative and say that threesome for Felix and Figgins–NO CASH ADDED.

If Bogaerts  is include I would want Dustin Ackley or the M’s third baseman in addition to Felix.

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

stabilize the SS position? they already have jose iglesias. his name is brendan ryan

3 years 1 month ago

I don’t know why Ellsbury keeps getting mentioned in a Felix trade that contract makes no sense for the M’s and Boras is his agent he isn’t signing an extension unless he rips the team off. Back then Ellsbury was a prospect and we would have had him for much longer.

harmony55
3 years 1 month ago

From a Seattle perspective, trading 2.5 years of ace Felix Hernandez for a combined three years* of Jon Lester and Jacoby Ellsbury makes no sense. The Mariners would get two older players, neither of whom remains under team control for longer than Hernandez does, for years in which the M’s are not expected to contend with or without Lester and Ellsbury.

If offered, should the Red Sox trade Xander Bogaerts, Matt Barnes, Jackie Bradley and Garin Cecchini for Felix Hernandez?

The Mariners might consider the proposal, although Seattle has two pitching prospect ranked higher than Barnes and a shortstop prospect with a similar ranking to Bogaerts’. Barnes and Bradley, whom the Red Sox drafted in 2011, would need to be players to the named.

I’m not suggesting the Red Sox should make that offer, but that’s what it might take to get the attention of Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik.

* four years with Lester’s 2014 option

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

no it isn’t. boston had jack’s attention in 2009 with a lesser offer (five of buchholz, bard, masterson, hagadone, bowden, dobrount, reddick, and navarro)

hernandez has not gotten better since the. the only thing that’s chanced is his contract status, which is less valuable now than in 2009

harmony55
3 years 1 month ago

The reported 2009 deadline offer — five of eight players, six of whom have appeared on Baseball America’s Top 100 prospect list — was far better than my proposal of Xander Bogaerts, Matt Barnes, Jackie Bradley and Garin Cecchini.

In July 2009, Felix Hernandez remained under his team’s control for less than 1.5 years, or a year less than now (although his current contract is far more expensive).

Hernandez apparently got better when the Seattle righthander won the Cy Young Award in 2010.

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

wrong-wrong-wrong. wrong jackpot! in reverse:

Hernandez apparently got better when the Seattle righthander won the Cy Young Award in 2010

yeah and omar infante got better when he was named an all-star. no, he didn’t. and neither did felix with the cy. according to FIP & SIERA, he is no better now than he was in 2009 or 2010. according to ERA, he is actually considerably worse now than he was then

In July 2009, Felix Hernandez remained under his team’s control for less than 1.5 years

no, he didn’t. in 2009, hernandez had just over 3 years of service time. a player needs 6 in order to become a free agent. let’s get out our calculators!

which has more value: 2.5 years for $49M or 2.5 years for ~$25M?

The reported 2009 deadline offer was far better than my prosposal

no, it wasn’t. your proposal includes three top-50 prospects in barnes (13), bogaerts (31), and bradley (32). you also threw in cecchini, a top 10 organization prospect whose current performance will probably land him in next year’s top 100

how many top 50 prospects did the 2009 offer include? i will help: zero. in fact, bowden and bard were the only two that made any list. they were fringe top 100 guys preseason

masterson peaked at 64 in 2008 and had lost ground pitching as a reliever since then. buchholz was the only real prize, peaking at #4 in 2008. but he hadn’t shown much of that potential at all since then either, pitching to a mid-4’s ERA, FIP, and SIERA

you offered 3 top 35 prospects and another fringe top 100. that’s better than 1 plus a grab bag every time

harmony55
3 years 1 month ago

Thank you for the correction on the 2009 contract status of Felix Hernandez, a 26-year-old whose peripherals has remained remarkably consistent since 2009.

Your prospect rankings for Matt Barnes and Jackie Bradley, who generally were unranked preseason, come from the recently released midseason rankings. We’ll see whether each can maintain his ranking beyond the 81 career innings (Barnes) and 427 career plate appearances (Bradley) at the minor league level.

The bottom line is that Seattle rejected the reported Boston offer at the 2009 trading deadline and now would be likely to entertain only a better offer.

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

faulty logic. the team’s status, the money owed to the player, the other options on the market — all of these are factors. we know felix hasn’t gotten better, but even if he were the exact same commodity now that he was in 2009, the mariners aren’t equally likely to accept a deal

not that i’d want boston to trade for him anyway

MB923
3 years 1 month ago

“Mariners General Manager Jack Zduriencik keeps insisting he will not trade Felix Hernandez”

He must get asked about this 100 times a day

louis_09
3 years 1 month ago

I would say Jack Z entertains every offer — even if Hernandez isn’t on the block.

An offer from Toronto could be interesting, but I’d bet they wouldn’t be willing to part with Lawrie + additional talent to make it happen.

MSUcorner
3 years 1 month ago

I love getting notifications about how Felix is not available, but some clown writer (who probably can’t locate Seattle on a map) thinks he should be. Felix loves it here, we don’t have anyone to take his place, and I doubt any club is going to make the kind of offer Z would want for him. Therefore he isn’t going anywhere.

I dont know all his contract specifics, but does he have any no trade power? I ran into him and his family at one of the ski hills this winter, and he would not leave Seattle if he had a choice.

Robert_Risteen
3 years 1 month ago

He can reject a trade to ten teams a year

3 years 1 month ago

I’m sure teams have made ridiculous offers for him. I really don’t see why the M’s are completely insistent on Felix wasting his career in Seattle, while the M’s get nothing in return (not from him, but the team overall).

Bob9988
3 years 1 month ago

 Well if those are the kind of trade offers he gets, no wonder he says no all the time.

3 years 1 month ago

I’ve never really wanted to see Felix traded but i don’t care anymore… Mariners are beyond pitiful and Felix is wasting away here. We need HITTERS. Lets get a haul and call up AA in Toronto!

3 years 1 month ago

I’m not being bias, but I’m pretty sure the M’s best offer would come from the Rangers.

iains
3 years 1 month ago

Blue Jays interested in  Carlos Quentin?  That seems to be out of left field (bad pun and all)

3 years 1 month ago

Must be annoying to because he keeps saying he isn’t trading Felix and has been for the last 2 season’s have no idea why he is most likely going to sign an extension to stay with Seattle. Yes, I do trust his word that he want’s to stay with Seattle before someone asks he signed an extension in his last year of his contract and keeps saying he want’s to play here for the rest of his career.

MB923
3 years 1 month ago

I just can’t see Boston trading Beckett this season. A contending team is not going to trade away their #2 pitcher. Beckett and the rest of the Red Sox SP are not having great years, but his numbers are all around similar to Doubront and Lester’s.

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

Amazing that it took a Yankee fan to bring a little bit of reason into a discussion about Beckett/Boston’s pitching.

MB923
3 years 1 month ago

I’m unbiased and give credit when it’s due (and I criticize when it’s time to do that too lol)

3 years 1 month ago

That’s probably why Boston wants to trade him.  They aren’t contending!

melonis_rex
3 years 1 month ago

 yes they are.

they should be adding to their pitching, not subtracting from it.

3 years 1 month ago

I keep hearing about Beckett’s “post-season resume” but has anybody looked at it closely.  He was great in the post season in 2003 & 2007, but since 2007 he has been TERRIBLE in the post season. 

johnsilver
3 years 1 month ago

 HAHA. Maybe because most pitchers wouldn’t even be pitching with the issues beckett does.. 2008 for instance, his back was well past “out of order”, yet he tried to throw anyway and was rocked. 2009 he was not good, but those 2 games in ’08 he was on the mound with heart only.

Most people who know the game realize it and would potentially want to acquire him…

MB923
3 years 1 month ago

From 2008 – present, he has a 7.71 ERA in 4 postseason starts. It’s a small sample, but you’re right. His career postseason stats, even with his last 4 poor starts, are still impressive.

3 years 1 month ago

You don’t acquire him for his past you acquire him for his future…He his not healthy and has had more bad seasons than good for Boston.    He was bad in 2006, 2008, 2010, and so far in 2012.  In 2009 he was good not great. He was nowhere to be found last September. 

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

No.  He was one of the best pitchers in the game from ’07-’09, had a terrible (and injured) year in 2010, was in discussion for the Cy Young until September of last year, and is pitching a lot better than his result indicate this year (his FIP is almost identical to what it was in ’09).

Bob9988
3 years 1 month ago

 There are only a couple of players that trading Felix would make sense, and Lawrie is one of them.  The Blue Jays do have what it takes to get a deal done, but they would never do it.

MSUcorner
3 years 1 month ago

Great point. That is one of the hang ups that will keep a deal from ever happening. We want more for Felix than any team would be willing to offer.

If Jack Z made a trade with Felix, and we didn’t get back a couple perennial all stars, his career in Seattle would be over. And I think he knows that.

3 years 1 month ago

Not sure. I think if BAL offered Bundy or Machado, then SEA would have to stop and listen. Not sure it makes sense for BAL, but it would be an interesting starting point.

Bob9988
3 years 1 month ago

 It would have to be Bundy and Machado.  I think thats the point MSU was making.  There is no way the O’s would do it.

Tyrell Osborne
3 years 1 month ago

 No we wouldnt, we have so many pitching prospects, the only trade that would be good for Felix is Trout Trumbo, and Richards, thats it, even then it;d be hard, the M’s arnt going to trade the King, and he will stay with the M’s till he retires, he also has a no trade clause to the Yankees, and another big team

3 years 1 month ago

Bundy and Machado are both top 10 prospects, and the O’s have no one in the top 100 beyond them. It would have to be the two of them. I’m not sure that’s a good idea for either side.

Rex_Chestington
3 years 1 month ago

Jays should try to pry Doc out of Philly. The Jays aren’t looking for a rental and he wouldn’t be as he’s under contract through next year with a vesting option for 2014. Sure, he makes $20 mil a season but I believe the return of the Doc to Toronto would definitely bring people to the park.

3 years 1 month ago

you assume Doc would want to come back. That’s not clear to me.

3 years 1 month ago

Don’t the Sox need pitching?

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

it’s not about what the sox need; it’s about what cafardo’s career needs

LazerTown
3 years 1 month ago

AJ Burnett, Josh Beckett, Dontrelle Willis… Something about being a marlin, the team that takes in Zambrano and Ozzie.

The age of Phillies big three pitchers is irrelevant at this point.  Two of them are under contract for big money.  After Hamels walks (or gets traded), they can look to replace one of the other two through free agency when their contracts expire.  There’s always someone out there each offseason ready to gobble up $20m/yr from a team with a $180m payroll.

chris_synan1
3 years 1 month ago

I think Nick Punto has a better chance of having a breakout second half than the Red Sox trading Josh Beckett…maybe???

Shikikazu
3 years 1 month ago

Only a handful of teams can afford Felix without them eating any of his contract (25 Mill in the final year of his contract) and Z already wants a bounty disregarding that fact. Also their is the problem of retaining the Felix at the end of his 2.5 years remaining on his contract, he’ll be 28 and reaching the end of his prime and you’ll probably need to pay a premium on his over 30 years with a Sabathia type contract to retain him. There’s also the threat of Felix pulling a “Cliff Lee” type scenario where he can’t be retained and returns to Seattle and if Felix is traded in a contract year there won’t be any compensation. Felix has stated that he wants to stay in Seattle and the Mariners would pony up to keep him would any team be willing to offer 5-7 years at 25 Mill to retain Felix into his 30+ years like the Mariners would?

Tyrell Osborne
3 years 1 month ago

 Yes, i believe Felix will be just as good as Doc and CC in his 30s

Shikikazu
3 years 1 month ago

Beckett probably won’t be going anywhere.

3 years 1 month ago

Don’t be hard-headed, Jack. Take the offer. – Jon Daniels

Harrison
3 years 1 month ago

agreed. and i bet they would if they could get a good prospcet in return. he needs to go along with lester.

MB923
3 years 1 month ago

Well yeah that’s probably the reason they are thinking it but I think it would be best to trade him in the offseason if they were going to, as opposed to this season when they are in the playoff hunt. 

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

They’ve got over $30M coming off the books after this season (assuming they resign Ortiz, if they don’t they could have ~$45M), and several more million coming off the books after ’14 (when he’s a free agent), so they don’t need to move anyone to keep Ellsbury around.

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

they aren’t trying to move beckett; nick cafardo is

3 years 1 month ago

He actually took a discount to stay He may be making 20M next season 25M the next but the whole contract is only 80M can get up to 90M if some incentives are reached.

MB923
3 years 1 month ago

Yes it is risky if they wait til the offseason but I’d also have to say if he was dealt this year, it puts their 2012 playoff chances in jeopardy even with the 2nd wild card.

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

Why do Boston’s two best pitchers “need to go?”  Even if you buy into Beckett being an issue in the clubhouse, why does Lester need to go?

3 years 1 month ago

im talking about the dodgers

IndianaBob
3 years 1 month ago

.316/.327 are Pierre’s OBP the last 2 years (10/11).  He has no power.  His defense has been bad last year and this year (UZR150 last year and so far this year -10.7/-5.4).  I really doubt he will be worth anything in the 2nd half despite his 1st half surge at age 34.

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

we just need to rebuild. extend valentine, and trade everyone else for a new group of players to blindly root for and then decide we hate when things don’t go perfectly

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

No way there’s $15-20M in arbitration raises, that would essentially mean that every arbitration eligible player’s salary doubled, which isn’t going to happen (especially considering the two most expensive arb eligible guys have spent the whole year on the DL so far).  And it’s figured by AAV, so Lester, Pedroia, Crawford, and Pedroia’s salaries going up don’t actually change their salary for luxury tax purposes.

Plus, it’s not like they’ll need an additional $20M per year to extend Ellsbury (assuming he get that much), all they need to find is the additional amount between what he gets now and what he’ll get in his extension ($20M minus his current $8.05M means they only have to come up with $11.95M additional tax space).

3 years 1 month ago

I think it’s at 3-4 it’s lazy writing though they know the response to it every time they just have nothing else to write about. There logic doesn’t make much sense get rid of a stud ace that is still young for a bunch of prospects that might not even pan out when you got 2 more years of Felix. Plus it’s not like you got a pitcher demanding to be traded he has always said the opposite when it came to that.

3 years 1 month ago

why quentin? 

notsureifsrs
3 years 1 month ago

arbitration is gone, so he won’t necessarily be getting a raise to stay

i’d offer him qualifying salary on a one-year deal and take him back or take the pick

MaineSox
3 years 1 month ago

That $30M doesn’t include Ortiz’s salary, and even if he gets $15M that’s less than a million more than he’s getting now, so it wont make any difference at all.

Even if the arb eligible players get 50% raises, on average (which would be really high), and if Ortiz gets $15M, that would only take $11.7M out of that $30M which leaves them with more than $18M to play with and no holes to fill (they will still have a full rotation and bullpen, and the only position player leaving is Ross in RF who can be replace by Kalish for essentially league minimum).

3 years 1 month ago

Does quentin play 3rd or 1st?

3 years 1 month ago

he can play left, we dont have a big bat and we need one even when kemp and ethier come back.

Tyrell Osborne
3 years 1 month ago

 We have pitchers, and we have Seager at third, and as well as F-Mart

3 years 1 month ago

I’m a Rangers fan, and even I know if we got Felix, Profar would more than likely have to be in the deal. Of course, it depends on how many years Felix will have left under contract, as well as what he’s making on the contract. That’s a lot of salary to take on.