Central Notes: Greinke, Brewers, Pirates, Tigers

Zack Greinke took the hill for the Brewers today against the Astros, but not for long.  The right-hander was tossed from the game after just four pitches when he spiked the ball following a close play at first base.  Milwaukee would go on to lose 6-3, but they weren't the only club disappointed by what took place.  Here's more on Greinke and other items out of the AL and NL Central..

  • Scouts for at least six contending teams were disappointed when Greinke was ejected, as it deprived them of seeing a pitcher of trade interest, writes Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com.  Scouts from the Orioles, Rangers, Braves, Diamondbacks, Giants, and Blue Jays were all in Houston for the game.  However, it's possible that some of those teams had their eye on Wandy Rodriguez or were just taking part in regular coverage.  Earlier tonight, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports noted that the GMs of the O's and the Brewers have yet to talk about a Greinke deal.
  • Rob Biertempfel of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review (via Twitter) spoke with Indians and Rangers GM John Hart, who said he wouldn't be surprised if the Pirates "go all-in" to swing a deal before the deadline.
  • The Tigers should go after offense rather than pitching at the trade deadline, opines Jamie Samuelsen of the Detroit Free Press.  He argues that Detroit can get by with their No. 2-5 starters but are in greater need of hitting.


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37 Comments on "Central Notes: Greinke, Brewers, Pirates, Tigers"


Greatone1210
3 years 1 month ago

I am curious what “all-in” would entail for the Pirates. Most importantly, what prospects they would be trading away and for whom. Cole needs to stay untouchable and I would like to keep Taillon, Marte, and Hanson. But I also know one, two, or maybe three will have to go to swing a trade needed to be considered “all-in”. I also hope they don’t sell the farm for a rental player that they won’t be able to afford to sign in the off-season.

bigpat
3 years 1 month ago

 I am curious as well. No team actually goes “all-in” in the sense of trading away their top prospects, even the Yanks and Red Sox prefer to hold onto them. I would imagine they are going hard after an outfield bat and could really use another starting pitcher.

I want them to make the playoffs more than anything this year, but I don’t want them to mortgage the future by doing it. Trade anyone other than the guys you mentioned and I’ll be ok. The current group is doing very well but they could just use a little tweaking to stay strong for the rest of the season.

Shadyrock
3 years 1 month ago

Jamie is a girl. The Tigers need a Left handed Starter and RP in the worse way.
They need better Defense to help that Pitching. They do not need Offense with Ajax, Miggy, Prince and Young.

Walter Cook
3 years 1 month ago

No, Jamie Samuelsen is male…

3 years 1 month ago

according to whom?

3 years 1 month ago

 Jamie is not a girl, the Tigers have the lowest FIP in the league, and every pitcher in the bullpen is fine unless Valverde melts down and needs to be replaced.

The Tigers desperately need offense, with the worst production out of second base, and right field in the league, and also the worst production out of the 5 and 6 spots in the lineup. Young, Raburn, and Boesch have been awful, and Avila and Peralta mediocre.  The defense is also worst in the league.

sam_lammert
3 years 1 month ago

who thought youd be saying that in the beginning of the year? “tigers desperately need offense”

frank_costanza
3 years 1 month ago

Hamels and Victornio for Smyly and Castellanos… straight up.

bhunt95
3 years 1 month ago

Royals will give Yuni Benetncourt and Jeff “Frenchy” Francour for a MLB ready starting pitcher

3 years 1 month ago

Young has been hot lately and finally starting to drive the ball, but every one of your points is correct.

3 years 1 month ago

or the Pirates going “all in”

3 years 1 month ago

Yankees need a SP, another bat, and a RP

1) starting pitching is not fine even when CC comes back. Kuroda is up and down all year, Hughes is slowly moving back torward his high ERA self, Garcia looked good today but could that be just a fluke? Nova although is 9-4 his ERA is above 4.00 but is gradually getting lower every game.

2) their offense with RISP is horrible, one of the worst in baseball. they dont need a power hitter, they just need a guy who can come up with the big hits when there are guys in scoring position. And they need a catcher who can hit the ball!!!

3) their bullpen is fine until they go to Corey Wade and then the runs start pouring on. tonight he has already given up 2 runs in just 4 batters faced. probably dont trade for a RP with Chamberlin and Aardsma coming back soon. Joba is starting a rehab assainment on tuesday so august he should be back. not to mention feliciano will be back late august, september hopefully.

Trade for Wandy, and since the DBacks are listening to offers for J.Upton try to put a trade together for him.

Yankees get Upton

Dbacks get Tyler Austin or Mason Williams, Banuelos, Romine , Phelps, and for giggles Nunez (he does have a decent bat, maybe a start at just one position maybe his errors will decrease and could play 3B for arizona but again as i said just for giggles)

Yankees get Wandy and his contract

Stros get Cervelli, Warren, and adams plus salary relief after trading Wandy.

3 years 1 month ago

 Hmm the deal you said for wandy isn’t bad.  But the Astros are willing to buy prospects.  Expect them to send money to upgrade the prospect caliber.

Dynasty22
3 years 1 month ago

I like the Wandy trade, but there is no way in hell the Yankees do the Upton trade, especially with how he is hitting this season.

esasc4
3 years 1 month ago

well with the childish play of greinke today, losing the game for mil. the braves need to forget the kid greinke and go for wandy, a mature professional. Greinke has done the childish spike the ball routine before, he needs to grow up. No! frank, go somewhere else for our pitcher.  

ThePaulCrew
3 years 1 month ago

Haha no matter how much you trash greinke.. he doesn’t lose any value.. especially after he has a great start today

Slopeboy
3 years 1 month ago

I would advise you not to post when you’re watching the Yanks vs the Red Sox. Especially when they’re losing, if you must insist, do it when they’re winning, at least you’ll have a more rational train of thought.

Of everything you posted, the only thing I agree with is your point about hitting with RISP. That being said, one batter is not going to make a difference when it’s a problem that afflicts the entire batting order. You failed to mention who you’re going to get and where he fits in the batting order, who does that guy replace?

Your trades sound more like fantasy Baseball than anything else, plug in a guy and use his stats to enhance your team. You have no knowledge as to the conditions of Chamberlain or Aardsma or how ready they’ll be in a month. Remember,set backs do occur, just ask Brett Gardner. The BP ‘problem’ is that they’ve been used way too much, starting with Wade. Last month, when the Yanks went on that wild winning streak, it was due to the starters, who were going deep into games, the BP wasn’t a ‘problem’.

The trade for Rodriguez, is a waste. He isn’t better than anyone in the rotation, he just doesn’t translate into an AL East pitcher. At best he’s a left-handed version of Garcia, and Freddy has a proven track record in the AL East. Wandy only looks decent because he’s the best on the Houston rotation and pitches in the NL West.
You sound more like the Astros GM than a Yankees fan with that trade proposal. Cashman laughs at an offer such as that.

The Upton trade is even more far fetched, you really believe that Upton is worth all those prospects? or that Cashman would give away the farm for Upton? Your proposals are just a knee-jerk reaction to a painful loss.
With a victory tomorrow and an AS game break the Yanks will be back to normal and you’ll feel better, believe me

jb226
3 years 1 month ago

NL Central.  The Astros are in the NL Central.

Slopeboy
3 years 1 month ago

Yep, my bad. I’m suffering from a painful loss as well.

malna
3 years 1 month ago

Even worse…

johnsilver
3 years 1 month ago

Look close at the team that NYY has beaten 2 out of 3 Slope. It’s the PawSox/retreadsox combination. These have been some of the absolute worst lineups seen even in Duquette times played in that series vs the NYY.

Look over the guys in the starting 9, especially game 1 of the DH. 3 people who even belong on a MLB lineup and 4 on a 25 man roster. 2 have only played in less than a dozen MLB games (Gomez,Ciriaco) This team should be getting plastered this series every game

Nava-LF
Ciriaco-2b
Ortiz-DH
Gonzalez-1b
gomez-3b
Kalish-cf
Avilles-ss
Shoppach-c
Lillebridge-rf

Game 2 lineup barely better. Only substitutions are Ross back in RF (only other real offensive threat) and Salty, who should be the #7 hitter) hitting cleanup.

Nava-LF
Punto-2b
Ortiz-DH
Salty-c
Gonzalez-1b
Ross-rf
sweeney-cf
gomez-3b
ciriaco-ss

Slopeboy
3 years 1 month ago

Remember the immortal words of Tom Hanks-
“There’s no crying in Baseball!”

Actually, you can only beat the teams you play, so it is what it is. This is the time the Yanks need to take advantage of any opportunity that arises. They play some 40+ games against the O’s, The Sox and Jays in the second half of the season. Wins and loss’ will equate as 2 game swings in the standings. With the Sox getting back re-inforcements, Yankees fans should not get too cozy with the current lead. It will be an interesting 2nd half.

johnsilver
3 years 1 month ago

 Putting it into perspective and am glad they actually took that 1 game as lousy a lineup/people available as they have had.

I figured coming into this series the only real chance would be is if they were low scoring games and somehow that motley crue of yoo-hoos has managed to hit. In part because there really is no book yet on the free swinging (Milb career 4-1 k-bb rate) Gomez and Cirriaco.

tomymogo
3 years 1 month ago

Pirates should go all in, Brewers should sell.

Pirates need another big bat in the outfield, and improvement in their rotation. I would do something like Brad Lincoln, Starling Marte, Jeff Locke and Evan Meek for Josh Willingham and Francisco Liriano

Red_Line_9
3 years 1 month ago

Probably not going to happen…I’m not sure the Twins are dealing Willingham.

3 years 1 month ago

I Really want AZ to land Greinke!!! :)

He would really strengthen are pitching and give us a better chance of making the post-season…

Our Rotation :

1. Zack Greinke
2. Ian Kennedy
3. Trevor Bauer
4. Trevor Cahill
5. Joe Sanders/Tyler Skaggs

*Daniel Hudson out for season

esasc4
3 years 1 month ago

you guys can have him! what spoiled childish move today by greinke costing his team a loss. pathetic, he needs to go anywhere but atlanta.

3 years 1 month ago

Not too shabby…

3 years 1 month ago

frightened what “all in” could be.

forkball27
3 years 1 month ago

If the Tigers need offense so bad then why don’t they bring up Castellanos and him play 2B. Then try and trade Turner and some others for Hamels.

3 years 1 month ago

Just throwing him at 2B isn’t as easy as it sounds.  He’s a big big kid.

Pawsdeep
3 years 1 month ago

And he still just barely 20 years old with 224 professional ballgames played, none of witch has been above AA ball. He isn’t anywhere near ready. He needs real work on his plate discipline, but if he can figure that out as well as he’s adjusted to everything else, he could break camp in 2014 and allow prince and mig to split time at 1B/DH and man third. He also projects to be a plus glove in the corner outfield spots, if the tigers decide to go that route with him.

Red_Line_9
3 years 1 month ago

It’d be interesting to see Detroit pry Jose Altuve away from Houston.  I could see him hitting in the two hole…..little 5’5 guy running the bases with Prince Fielder breathing down his neck.  It’d be a funny sight. It’d be like watching a bear run down a rabbit.

Bob Smiley
3 years 1 month ago

i don’t see the Astros trading away Altuve. He is an ALL-Star and a fan favorite. – maybe Lowrie and Wandy…might cost you Brenny Paulino/Smyly/Tyler Gibson and even Casellanos. i would imagine the Astros would get at least 2 of the above names in any deal with the Tigers.

Pawsdeep
3 years 1 month ago

The Astros would have to eat most, if not all, of wandys salary to get that kind of a haul.

If the tigers do anything with wandy(your proposal is something I’ve thought the Tigers would pursue. It’s seems really feasible) they would take on a lot of wandys contract, if not all, to keep the prospect cost really low in acquiring Lowrie. Don’t know if the Astros would pair both as a salary dump, especially considerig Lowrie’s worth, but I think that Detroit will take on salary to avoid getting rid of turner and Castellanos.

3 years 1 month ago

Rangers GM John Hart

schaddy24
3 years 1 month ago

Says a Brewers fan… The Ump got it right. No player can throw a tantrum like that and expect the privilege of continuing to play.