Rays, Angels Have Discussed James Shields Trade

The Rays and Angels have talked about a deal that would send right-handed starter James Shields to Anaheim in exchange for outfielder Peter Bourjos and catcher Hank Conger, and possibly right-hander Ervin Santana, a source tells Tim Kurkjian of ESPN.com.

The deal is complex because of the money involved, the source tells Kurkjian, which accounts for Santana's possible inclusion. Santana makes $11.2MM this season with a $13MM club option for 2013. He can become a free agent at season's end with a $1MM buyout.

Shields, 30, could be locked up through 2014 and is considered quite affordable. He's owed $7MM this year with a $9MM club option for 2013 and an $11MM club option for 2014.

Bourjos, Kurkjian reports, would be a likely replacement for B.J. Upton, whom the Rays plan to allow to walk as a free agent this offseason. Conger, meanwhile, was once a pretty well regarded prospect, and the Rays have been rumored to be seeking a catcher.


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119 Comments on "Rays, Angels Have Discussed James Shields Trade"


3 years 1 month ago

Get it done, get it done. The rumors of trading Bourjos for a reliever have me stumped, but trading Bourjos for three years of James Shields — a completely different story. Throw in the absolute abomination that Ervin Santana has become and the never-developing Hank Conger and I would be a happy guy!

VegasANGELSFan
3 years 1 month ago

Shields has two more years of control if options are exercised. I actually think this deal makes sense…

3 years 1 month ago

Two more years of controlling the guy who currently leads the league in most hits allowed isn’t exactly appealing.

I like the IDEA of Shields but that price tag is too rich for my blood- possibly because I’m attached to Bourjos but nevertheless, I would be hesitant.

VegasANGELSFan
3 years 1 month ago

I hear you, this year has not been great for Shields. But, I think there is reason to believe he will be better. He obv has good stuff, he was great last year, but not good the year before that. Depends on what they think he will do rest of the year and next two years. He probably has to be an upgrade over what they are running out there now. I like Bourjos too, and love the defensive OF when he plays, but they don’t want to play him much. Plus, Shields’ numbers would seem to have to improve in the AL West, and in Anaheim in particular.

I could be wrong though, I liked the Scott Kazmir trade at the time it was made too, and that was an epic fail…

3 years 1 month ago

Yep. I foolishly thought that a change of scenery/reuniting with an old pitching coach would turn Kazmir around. Joke’s on us i guess lol.

I also think there’s reason to believe he will be better, and, to be fair, 6 of his worst games this year were against offensive juggernauts (nyy, det, etc), but that still doesn’t bode well for the playoffs, since he’d most likely be facing those teams.

All in all it’s probably worth it, but i just like the idea of having the best defensive outfield in baseball for the next 5 years lol.

VegasANGELSFan
3 years 1 month ago

Me too. I am definitely not a proponent of trading Bourjos, I am a fan. But, the rotation went from sparkling to 2 very good pitchers, and one very good pitcher if his back holds up. Then after that, your guess is as good as mine. Richards has been strong in some starts, and not so much in others. I am ok with him in rotation though. Santana has been a train wreck, and there is no sign of turnaround. The Angels can’t give away every 5th game and try to catch the Rangers, which is what they are trying to do. Shields would have to be quite a bit better than Santana or Williams, and he gives them a much better chance this year, assuming he picks it up a bit. Plus, he has the potential to be good for another two years, and affordable. If he sucks though, then of course its a bad trade for the Angels :/

sdsuphilip
3 years 1 month ago

I’d do this for the angels, and I like Bourjas a lot.

VegasANGELSFan
3 years 1 month ago

Me too… and me too

Nick Sossamon
3 years 1 month ago

Something more better be coming back from Tampa for that.

Shields is pretty average these days, and has been for most of his career. Wrong side of 30, nearly 250 IP last year. Don’t see the infatuation with this guy.

sdsuphilip
3 years 1 month ago

He’s a solid three that has been unlucky with the fly ball this year (15.6% FB/HR ratio) and 337 BABIP with low LOB% (68.9%) while dempster is a regress to the norm guy Shields is the opposite, has a 3.42 xFIP against terrific competition.

Commander_Nate
3 years 1 month ago

An earlier version of this rumor said Zobrist was included too. I’d probably do that.

J Walls625
3 years 1 month ago

THe Rays are not trading Zo unless they get a ton back. He is the model of versatility, something the Rays love.

3 years 1 month ago

What a package for shields!! That would be a great trade for the rays. The angles are pretty stocked, so it might be worth it for sure.

Mauck98
3 years 1 month ago

Exactly where is his a good deal for the rays. Bourjous is the only piece worth havin coming n the deal. Conger has barely been able to reach he Mendoza line in any of his time with he angels, and Santana is not a playe the rays want as he makes 11 million a year. No way Friedman makes this deal.

3 years 1 month ago

I just dont think I would send conger and bourjous AND santana over for a # 4. Shields had a spectacular year last year, but the rest of his numbers are average. About the only plus is that he consistently eats 200 innings every year. Santana on the other hand has had a 17 win season and an era in the mid 3.00 region his entire career (with the exception of this year.) I also think from a scouting standpoint that Santana has better stuff. Shields, in my opinion, is only an upgrade for this year.

3 years 1 month ago

The only other reason this makes so much sense is Santana’s contract, but no way he goes with out LA picking up at least some of it.

3 years 1 month ago

Bourjos and Conger alone are too much for Shields. I’d do Bourjos/Conger/Kendrick for Shields/Zobrist.

3 years 1 month ago

This isn’t a videogame, the Angels won’t trade Kendrick three months into his extension.

byebyeMathis
3 years 1 month ago

wouldn’t the Angels have to pay some kind of penalty for trading a recently extended player?

3 years 1 month ago

Just the penalty that some players might be afraid to take extensions from the team if they deal you right afterwards.

3 years 1 month ago

Nor will the Rays take on his salary from said extension…Id be shocked if the Rays moved Zobrist….

3 years 1 month ago

Keep bourjos but find a way to get a new pitcher! Trading Bourjos should be last resort.

ultimate913
3 years 1 month ago

Angels have too many OF’s anyway. Unless they find someone to take Wells and/or Hunter, somebody has got to go. Cause it’s Trumbo, Trout, Bourjos, Wells, Hunter and Morales for 4 spots. 5 if you consider the bench a spot. Trumbo and Trout will automatically take 2 of those 4 so it’s Bourjos, Wells, Morales and Hunter for 2 spots left.

That is, of course, unless they plan to play Trumbo at 3B again. Which is a pretty bad idea. I’d probably try to throw Morales in the deal if I’m the Angels.

3 years 1 month ago

Find a way to dump Wells, immediately. Trade him and eat $15 million. Release him. ANYTHING. Hunter is willing to take a pay cut. 3 years, $20 to $25 million seems good. Trout, Trumbo, Hunter, Bourjos (assuming he isn’t traded for Shields). Seems good enough. Pick up a third baseman and maybe some more outfield and bullpen help and we should be good.

saidin09
3 years 1 month ago

Maybe the Sox, should check in on Price’s price

J Walls625
3 years 1 month ago

If I’m the Rays, I would try and sub Santana for Richards if you want a pitcher. Maybe throw in another smaller prospect if the Angels need it for Richards.
Also, arn’t the Angels looking for relief help?Why not package Shields with Farnsworth for a little more back from the Angels. It may be a little much but try and get a guy like Cron or another good close to MLB bat back.

Edit: Another thing that makes Santana to the Rays stupid, I just read Santana has quite the hefty contract. He is making $11 millionthis year and has a $13million option for 2013. Thats way to expensive for the Rays. No way that happens.

byebyeMathis
3 years 1 month ago

maybe you would like us to throw in Trout while we’re at it?

J Walls625
3 years 1 month ago

What?

BK
3 years 1 month ago

We sub-Richards and Shields becomes Helickson

3 years 1 month ago

make it happen Jerry. shields is down from last year’s numbers but he still represents quite an upgrade for the Angel rotation.

brianc6234
3 years 1 month ago

The Devil Rays only trade pitchers when they know their arms are done. Shields was overused last year and has worn out. No thanks.

MB923
3 years 1 month ago

Sounds like a fair trade

vinh
3 years 1 month ago

hopefully that we get Ben Zobrist too

J Walls625
3 years 1 month ago

Yea and hopefully we can get Trumbo. Not gonna happen, but hopefully it might.

MB923
3 years 1 month ago

Um, not happening.

Jeff Linder
3 years 1 month ago

What?? Shields has a 4.40 era, he leads the league in hits allowed, he gives up a ton of home runs, he’s lost 6 games…And the Angels want to give away the future of their outfield and catching positions for him??

3 years 1 month ago

The Big A will help with that a lot.

rovert22044
3 years 1 month ago

Why is everyone so high on Peter Bourjos? His stats aren’t appealing at the least, but I know he’s a good fielder and is fast. That’s about it… Or am I missing something? Someone let me know.

Nick Sossamon
3 years 1 month ago

With fulltime play he should be potentially be a 3.5-5 WAR player, as he showed last year. He doesn’t thrive in a part-time or bench role.

And he’s under control for 4.5 more years.

mlbscout6
3 years 1 month ago

Or he’s a poor man’s Franklin Gutierrez. Who hit in his first season like many rookies do until pitchers pick up a hitters weaknesses and exploit them. The reality is, if the Angels thought he was better then their other outfielders, he would be getting playing time.

3 years 1 month ago

yes, because every team will bench $40 million and play the young guy.

mlbscout6
3 years 1 month ago

They will if the younger guy is better and they are serious about winning. You make it sound like they only lose the $40 mil if he sits on the bench.

melonis_rex
3 years 1 month ago

if it wins baseball games they should.

mlbscout6
3 years 1 month ago

It’s just Angels fans talking. Rays would be wise to decline this offer.

Nick Sossamon
3 years 1 month ago

Thanks for the glowing and abundant analysis!

bjsguess
3 years 1 month ago

The deal – as it is constructed here – Shields for Santana + Bourjos + Conger … you’d have to be crazy to turn that down. Santana and Shields are close (Shields is slightly better and has the favorable contract). Conger was terrible as a rookie but he has a solid body of work in the minors and projects to be a good starting catcher in the bigs. Bourjos offers crazy upside defensively and a solid bat.

This would be a huge win for the Rays.

mlbscout6
3 years 1 month ago

Then as the Angels fan that you obviously are, you won’t be disappointed when the deal doesn’t happen.

3 years 1 month ago

Look at his age, offensive stats last year, defense stats so far in his career and years of control… there isn’t much not to like.

Especially when a team like TB could flip Upton for a haul.

VegasANGELSFan
3 years 1 month ago

Probably best defensive CF in the game. Hit pretty well last year with normal playing time, this year has not hit well, and has not had steady playing time. Many years of control, and will likely hit better. Though, he cannot lay off an outside slider. He simply cannot do it.

Commander_Nate
3 years 1 month ago

I don’t like 5-WAR seasons either.

Sky14
3 years 1 month ago

When has he ever been a 5 WAR guy?

Commander_Nate
3 years 1 month ago

4.8 in 2011. Sorry for the slight rounding error.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bourjpe01.shtml

Commander_Nate
3 years 1 month ago

4.8 in 2011 according to BB-Ref. Sorry for the slight rounding error.

3 years 1 month ago

you can’t just ignore the rest of his career to this point, speed is the most overrated tool in baseball

bjsguess
3 years 1 month ago

— 1.8 WAR in 2010 (193 PA) – extrapolated over a regular season he had a 5 WAR year.
— 4.3 WAR in 2011.
— 1.4 WAR in 2012 (169 PA) – extrapolated over a regular season and you have a 4 WAR player.

That’s his ENTIRE career. Downside of a 4 WAR/year outfielder that hasn’t hit arbitration yet.

Speed is accounted for in WAR … it is already heavily discounted.

3 years 1 month ago

he is an average mlb player.. period

melonis_rex
3 years 1 month ago

even if bourjos is an average player, ~4.5 team controlled years, one being prearb, of a league average player is valuable.

also note what stats are valued in arbitration: power numbers. a guy who derives lots of his value from defense will get less in arb than a guy who derives most of his value from power hitting or flashy stats.

3 years 1 month ago

hey I’m not saying he’s not valuable, if i was making a 25 man roster he may be on it, all I’m stating is that i don’t think he is a 5 war player every year going forward

mlbscout6
3 years 1 month ago

He hit in his rookie year, then pitchers figured him out and he hasn’t been able to adjust, albeit in limited playing time.

BK
3 years 1 month ago

Uhh, he had a bad month and has been benched all year. He needs to get at bats.

3 years 1 month ago

Not true. Bourjos has risen his average almost 5o points since losing his starting job. You can thank Mike Trout.

Hodor
3 years 1 month ago

Bourjos is the only player worth getting in this deal. We have plenty of pitchers in AAA that are better than Santana these days. Conger isn’t any upgrade over Lobaton or even Molina. We need a catcher that can actually hit, not another washout. I wish we would have dealt Shields last offseason when his value was sky high and gotten someone like Trumbo in return.

Commander_Nate
3 years 1 month ago

Conger is still a pretty well regarded prospect by anyone not named Mike Scioscia. Unbelievable that we’ve kept him down in SLC while Hester and Wilson get to fail away on a nightly basis.

mlbscout6
3 years 1 month ago

He is but if other teams play they waiting game, he will be traded for peanuts just like Napoli was.

3 years 1 month ago

Conger is a terrible defender and has been slow to develop at the plate.

Commander_Nate
3 years 1 month ago

He’s still a better offensive bet than Hester or Wilson.

3 years 1 month ago

All scioscia seems to care about with his catchers is defence

brianc6234
3 years 1 month ago

Is that you Mike Scioscia? I thought so.

Classic12
3 years 1 month ago

Conger also was on the for a substantial stretch after Iannetta got hurt.

Joey Grimes
3 years 1 month ago

The Angels can keep Santana. The Rays entire AAA and AA staffs are better than him. Throw in C.J. Cron or Morales and you have a deal. I would even throw in a reliver like Gomes, De Los Santos or Lueke who are all major league worthy relivers.

Jake Tillinghast
3 years 1 month ago

Bourjos is possibly the best defensive CF in baseball. His bat is average. If he hits .250 and steals 30 bases you have to be ecstatic about that with how good his defense is and how many runs he will save. I’m an Angels fan. I dont think he will be anything more than a 250 hitter who is superb on defense. So for the Angels to trade him now is great for them. Trout is a natural Center fielder. And who knows maybe in a few years Bourjos will turn into a nice hitter who can hit near.280. He doesnt have to with his defense though. Great trade for both sides.

Angels get Shields

Rays get Bourjos and Conger

PS Give the Rays Santana aand maybe try to bring back one of the relievers the Rays have. Not sure who they could get but worth a shot right?

txftw
3 years 1 month ago

You want Rodney back? 😛

thebigbangdito
3 years 1 month ago

if he pitches like he was the first part of the season then yea

Jake Tillinghast
3 years 1 month ago

Rodney was horrible with the Angels. Hated him. Looks like he is fine with the Rays though…

txftw
3 years 1 month ago

Even though he’s had a great year, I think most Angels fan would be quite mad if he was pitching for them again after his first stint.

3 years 1 month ago

So first, Bourjos is way too much for David Wright and now he’s way too much for James Shields. Couldn’t it just be possible that the guy is massively overrated?

Yes he plays good defense and yes he had a nice season last year. He also never walks ,strikes out in over 20% of his plate appearances, doesn’t hit line drives and has hadd a wRC+ of under 70 two of the past three seasons.

He’s not that good and he should not be the center piece for any big name player.

vtadave
3 years 1 month ago

He’s very overrated. Angels fans would tell you that you have to see him play every day to appreciate what he brings to the table, but the numbers just don’t hold up to scrutiny.

3 years 1 month ago

How can numbers hold up when he doesn’t get an opportunity to put up numbers regularly? The reality is that he’s got no place to play here. You don’t bench the two star players or the two ridiculous contracts, so Bourjos is the one to go. He’s proven elite on defense, and has the potential for good offense in CF. That’s what teams want out of that spot, he’s extremely valuable.

People were saying no to Wright because he was coming off injury. I’m on board with this trade, Shields may not be as good this season but he’s got a track record for eating innings with solid stats to go with it. I’ll take it, it’s a huge upgrade.

ArchAngel_7
3 years 1 month ago

Of course I heard Rays fans saying the same about Trumbo. You give to much credit to the stats and to little to those who actually see them play

Michael Gardiner
3 years 1 month ago

Atlanta should jump in on this. Go with Salcedo, Spurill, Bethancourt, and Delgado

TigerFan1968
3 years 1 month ago

why would the Rays want Santana? I believe he has about 25 mill
guaranteed. That is probably the catch22 here.

daze
3 years 1 month ago

He’s making $11.2M this year and has a $13M club option for next ($1M buyout).