Rosenthal On Pirates, Headley, Angels, Phillies

In today's column, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports writes that the Pirates should go all in and trade for either Brewers right-hander Zack Greinke or Phillies left-hander Cole Hamels.  Rosenthal notes that the Bucs have the 11th-ranked farm system in the majors and enough young talent to pull off a trade without including Jameson Taillon or Gerrit Cole.  Pittsburgh's pitching has been strong this year and the team is currently focusing on boosting their offense, but finding a hitter who could make an impact on the level of Greinke or Hamels would be a challenge.  Here's more from Rosenthal..

  • The Padres are drawing serious interest in third baseman Chase Headley, but one rival exec wonders how could the team trade Headley without knowing the future of left fielder Carlos Quentin.  The club could potentially move both and replace Headley with top infield prospect Jedd Gyorko, but that would leave them flat offensively in 2013.
  • Some execs wonder if the Angels might try to add one of the elite starters on the block due to the recent struggles of Dan Haren and Ervin Santana.  The chances appear remote, however, as the Halos' farm system isn’t deep and sources say GM Jerry Dipoto is adamant about keeping right-hander Garrett Richards as a future low-cost option.
  • Even before the Phillies began calling teams about Cole Hamels, it was obvious that they wouldn't be buyers.  “Their scouts are not out there banging,” a rival exec said. “They’re usually out there banging by this time. They’re playing it more conservative.
  • The GM carousel could pick up again this year.  The Rockies, Mariners, and Braves could all be compelled to make changes while the Dodgers and Padres are under new ownership.  Dodgers GM Ned Colletti is reportedly in the final year of his contract while the Padres’ Josh Byrnes has four years left.
  • Sellers should target teams who are under a great deal of pressure to win such as the Braves, Red Sox, Marlins, Tigers, and Angels.  The Yankees now work to take emotion out of the equation when surveying the trade market but they could feel added stress if they start to see another AL East club as a threat.
  • Giants outfielder Nate Schierholtz is out-of-options and could draw interest at the deadline.  Schierholtz is hitting .248/.314/.400 with three homers in 140 plate appearances.


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50 Comments on "Rosenthal On Pirates, Headley, Angels, Phillies"


bigpat
3 years 1 month ago

I like Ken Rosenthal :)

Agreed that they can probably get one of those two without giving up one of the big two, and they should be open to trading anyone else in the system for the right deal. 

3 years 1 month ago

i would be so pumped if the Pirates land Greinke or Hamels for prospects not named Cole or Taillon.  😀

Henduck
3 years 1 month ago

So would I.  Let’s not hold our breathe though. 

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

I thought “going all in” meant you were addressing, at least in part, your weakness, not your 5th-ranked pitching staff. And based on Greinke’s peculiarities (to put it nicely) and Hamels outspokenness, it’s not a sure-thing that they’d even want to pitch in the PIT. 

When you’re voted on as the “worst franchise in American sports” of course you’re going to have a rich farm system because of all the high picks. Even a horse finds water. I’m shocked that they have the 11th-ranked – I’d think it’d be higher with all those top picks.

Smrtbusnisman04
3 years 1 month ago

What if they acquire Greinke/ Hamels and then trade him to another team for a top hitter?

I don’t know if Burnett and McDonald can hold up, but the offense sans-McCutchen is pathetic. Jose Tabata and Clint Barmes would have more value if they just jumped off a cliff.

theophilus166
3 years 1 month ago

Teams that are in contention and want a top pitcher like Greinke or Hamels aren’t going to give up a top hitter to get them. You’re either buyers or sellers.

3 years 1 month ago

Teams usually don’t like to trade within division unless the deal is outstanding. So Hamels would probably be the guy. But as a Brewers fan, I’d like the Pirates (though I very much dislike jeff karstens) to win this year if the Brewers don’t pull out a miracle. So seeing Greinke in black and yellow wouldn’t sting as much.

Gary Martinez
3 years 1 month ago

Carlos Quentin to the Mets would be such a good move.

Cankersly
3 years 1 month ago

I think Quentin would have the biggest impact on the Indians. They are in desperate need of a right handed power bat.

Dylan Ramirez
3 years 1 month ago

Their farm system is awful though, considering the Giants gave up Wheeler for Beltran last year and solid pieces that the Orioles gave for the a 40 year old Jim Thome, I’m not sure the Indians have the pieces to make a trade for Quentin considering Lindor would be off the table. Wolters and a lesser prospect perhaps?

sdsuphilip
3 years 1 month ago

Indians farm system isn’t awful, it is loaded with high risk high potential guys in the low minors.

Double_Up
3 years 1 month ago

If the Indians don’t make a deal soon for a RH hitter, they’ll need to get back to Guerrero, or Detroit will methinks.

3 years 1 month ago

Pittsburgh needs bats really bad, that’s what I’d be after. I honestly don’t thing greinke leaves Milwaukee and Hamels is going to take 3 a-type prospects to land.

Ron Loreski
3 years 1 month ago

I would love to see the Pirates land Grienke because they have a chance to be able to sign him long-term because no one sees him as a large market pitcher.

Trading away future pieces for Hamels would be a mistake because he is going to want 100m+ and has LA Dodgers written all over him.

Kent Kimes
3 years 1 month ago

I didn’t realize the Braves were under great pressure to win.

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

I think they meant Fredi Gonzalez and Frank Wren than actually the Braves. We still have a young team with a lot of money coming off the books and the only real pressure is trying to see Chipper off with a ring. It’s not like we’re the Phillies and have a team of aging vets with expiring contracts and the win-now approach.

3 years 1 month ago

yeah but Marte would go and I’d hate to lose another McCutchen type player. Can you imagine two Cutches strolling the outfield?!

Ron Loreski
3 years 1 month ago

I think Grossman could be subbed for Marte. Or Bell if healthy.

3 years 1 month ago

plus NH has already said he doesnt want to trade for a rental player

BeatEmBucs
3 years 1 month ago

Exactly. Hamels and Greinke are precisely that. Everybody still says the Pirates need a bat, and sure they do, but is it really as desperately needed as it was two months ago? They just lead the NL in runs scored in June and tied the franchise record for HRs in a single month.

Bedard has crashed back to Earth since a stellar start, Correia is still taking the mound every 5th day, and Karstens has had one good, one bad start since returning from the DL. The bullpen has also started to show a couple of weaknesses (Resop, Watson). As of today, shoring up the pitching issues might be a better move than a stick.

I’d love to see them add a name like Greinke or Hamels, but at the same time I’d really love to see players like Marte, Bell, and Heredia eventually play for the Bucs. Maybe I’ll be way off on this, but I think Heredia may end up being better than Cole and Taillon when all is said and done.

daveineg
3 years 1 month ago

Greinke to Pirates?  Never going to happen. By the time the Brewers finish playing said Pirates at home right after the break, it’s possible the Brewers will be within 3 games of them.  Furthermore, Melvin has a policy against trading within the division.  It’s not like there won’t be other bidders should it come to that.

Henduck
3 years 1 month ago

I dunno, they lost 2 of 3 to said Pirates last time they played them at home. 

Zico
3 years 1 month ago

 Are you trolling Pirates fans or just in denial that the Buccos are better than the Brewcrew this year? You can’t guarantee a sweep over the Pirates anymore.

hobblin_manny
3 years 1 month ago

Or 3 games further back.

indybucfan
3 years 1 month ago

Is that the same policy that prevented McGehee for Veras this past offseason?

3 years 1 month ago

hamels to the angels

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

PIT and MIL are in the same division. PIT is going to have to overpay an already steep price to make MIL interested. 

TheReturnOfMrBlanks
3 years 1 month ago

Do the Padres really need more prospects? seems like all they do is add prospects every year and with that the product they put on the field is less watchable every year. If they do trade Headley throw in his buddy Hundley too he is No bueno

Sd_brain
3 years 1 month ago

Padres Headley and Phils Hamels in three way trade? Phils get Headley and a top prospect as well as others, Team X gets Hamels and the Padres are given a top prospects from both teams.

3 years 1 month ago

“Dodgers GM Ned Colletti is reportedly in the final year of his contract” that sounds SOOOOOOO GOOD!!

arthur3
3 years 1 month ago

Trading for an expensive short-term rent-player for quality minor league potential  is going against the  model of successful small market franchises. These are the types of trades that seem like good ideas on the surface, but usually leave teams (like the Pirates) worse off in the long term- setting the franchise further behind had the trade not been made. I think that the best route to take might be as Huntington had done last season- acquire major league talent (Derrek Lee/ Ryan Ludwick) at prices that have minimal impact upon future potential.

sdsuphilip
3 years 1 month ago

Trade Quentin, keep headley, simple.

3 years 1 month ago

Keep Quentin, trade Headley (especially with Gyorko in the wings)  simple. Who do we have that can replace Quentin’s offensive prowess? 

Ohhhplease
3 years 1 month ago

Why would keep Headley when you have a stack of 3b behind him, and he is more valuable.  If you keep Quentin, thats fine, you get comp picks in next years draft, or possible resign by new ownership.

sdsuphilip
3 years 1 month ago

There is no one on the padres roster/farm system more valuable than headley, gyorko by all reports have been fine at second keep him there.

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
3 years 1 month ago

Chase Headley would be a nice get for someone.  A lot of people forget that Logan Forsythe is a natural third baseman. If they could get some young pitching for him, they could just slide Forsythe over there.

The Padres seem to be pretty good at finding third baseman; they probably have a few stashed in the lower levels of their system if someone is interested in getting one of them and finishing them off in their own system.

Sd_brain
3 years 1 month ago

not to mention we have Darnell and then Gyorko waiting. Shoot Guzman played third if we’re desperate. BUT i think we should try and sign Quentin to an extension before the deadline, if we do then trade Headley. And if we don’t sign Quentin then keep Headley (he’s still got some years on his contract so no problems). The trick for the Padres to really make out on these deals is the timing.

Crewers
3 years 1 month ago

The Brewers should trade Greinke to the Rangers for Mike Olt, Cody Buckel, and Luis Sardinas. With Olt they get a great hitting 3rd basemen. Buckel is a decent pitcher. With Sardinas a nice hitting shortstop with great speed and nice glove and with Andrus and Jurickson blocking the way i’m sure the rangers would being willing to part with him.

BeatEmBucs
3 years 1 month ago

Sure…but I would love to see multiple division titles in the future more so than a single winning season.

Zico
3 years 1 month ago

 Not really. Pirates need a consistant hitter. Someone batting .247 with 90 SO is not what they need. They have a couple of those already.

Phillies_Aces35
3 years 1 month ago

Hunter Pence.

rundmc1981
3 years 1 month ago

I’m mostly referring to Greinke invoking his no-trade clause when he was with KC (and trying to get out) that nixed a deal that would send him to pre-Stras WSH (when they were stashing up #1 overall picks like they were free agent pitchers).

Todd Smith
3 years 1 month ago

Over the past month:

Hart: .247 AVG, .817 OPS, 5 HR
McGehee: .291 AVG, .891 OPS, 5 HR
Jones: .300 AVG, .899 OPS, 5 HR

Zico
3 years 1 month ago

 Todd beat me to it.  Corey Hart is NOT much of an upgrade, if at all. 

3 years 1 month ago

Marte and his minor league numbers are pretty close to what McCutchen was putting up when he was coming up through the system. 
Just saying it is a possibility.  He is also talented enough in CF that he is going to push McCutchen to a corner OF spot.

3 years 1 month ago

lol to this man.  No team would do this deal. You know why?Because that is their top three hitting prospects(minus Josh Bell).  Marte is days away from replacing joe tabate.  You can have him(23 yearold with great upside locked up for 6 years).  Hanson is a future middle infeilder who is hitting 330(top infield prospect),  You probaly would have to replace hanson with a Owens and Locke.  So a more reasonable deal would be.   Locke, Tabata, and Correia.
Dont forget Greinke is a two year deal.

squeper
3 years 1 month ago

Ha.  Not in this lifetime. His slash line is worse than Presley’s.  No way we’re taking that albatross off your hands.  Plus Marte’s starting to rake so he’ll be up late this year or early next.  I would take Morales off your hands if he could play 1B.

indybucfan
3 years 1 month ago

keep hoping, but it’s unlikely. He has a no trade clause, and nobody’s  taking him for what he’s owed.

Todd Smith
3 years 1 month ago

Top MLB offenses in the month of June:

1. Pittsburgh 146 RS
2. Toronto 143 RS
3. NY Mets 142 RS
4. LA Angels 138 RS
5. NY Yankees 137 RS

3 years 1 month ago

I dont think that he will replace cutch in CF any time soon.  There is a reason they are working marte in RF in AAA instead of having cutch work RF in the majors.