Tigers Notes: Brantly, Castellanos, Pitching

The Tigers could use an upgrade at second base and they could also consider corner outfielders and starting pitchers between now and the end of the month. Here’s the latest on the Tigers, who have a 44-42 record after winning five consecutive games:

  • Trade candidates such as Jed Lowrie, Darwin Barney, Marco Scutaro and Carlos Quentin would interest the Tigers, but it might be prohibitively expensive to trade for them, Lynn Henning of the Detroit News writes.
  • The Tigers are probably willing to part with prospect Rob Brantly, Henning writes. Casey Crosby, Jacob Turner or Bruce Rondon could also be available, but the Tigers don’t want to discuss Nick Castellanos. The third base prospect, who was recently named MVP of the Futures Game, has taken fly balls in the outfield to increase his versatility.
  • Tigers president and GM Dave Dombrowski says the trade market is “probably as tight as any” he has seen. The new collective bargaining agreement will also affect the deadline, since teams can no longer obtain draft picks for players acquired midseason. "The compensation issue will definitely have an effect," Dombrowski told Henning. "How much of a change? Only time will tell. I really don't know what's going to happen."
  • Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports keeps hearing different things about the Tigers (Twitter link). He’s recently heard that Detroit will focus on pitching because the team’s decision makers can't find a second baseman they like.


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86 Comments on "Tigers Notes: Brantly, Castellanos, Pitching"


jammin502
3 years 1 month ago

Casey Crosby, Jacob Turner and Bruce Rondon  to the Cubs for Garza and Barney?  Not enough?  Too much?

3 years 1 month ago

I think a little much Garza isn’t a god especially in the AL

3 years 1 month ago

Way too much for me.

3 years 1 month ago

way to much

3 years 1 month ago

Can Castellanos not play 2B?

Colin Wynn
3 years 1 month ago

I’m hoping this is a trolling attempt. No he can’t he’s 6’4, way to tall to play 2nd and he’s really not even that good at 3rd. He’ll be the getting the full coaching treatment in the spring when they move him to the outfield. His position right now is just, “hitter” his defense is far behind his bat speed.

3 years 1 month ago

Gotcha.  I did not realize he was that big.  Thanks. 

3 years 1 month ago

Yea he’s pretty huge 6’4 210 and only going to get bigger.  They say he’ll get to around 220-230.

baseballz
3 years 1 month ago

 haha, yah man and at the futures game I’d say he looked like a skinny 210. 230 lbs at least once he gets to the majors

EightMileCats
3 years 1 month ago

No

vtadave
3 years 1 month ago

Does Barney actually have trade value? I guess if your second baseman is Ramon Santiago he does, but he’s probably more of a throw-in type guy right?

jammin502
3 years 1 month ago

Wrong.  He is only 26, cheap, controlled through 2016, and plays gold glove defense.  He is also a very good shortstop.  He is interesting in that he doesn’t walk or strikeout a lot, so he gets the ball in play.  He is baseball smart and always has his head in the game.  His power numbers should rise over the next few years.

3 years 1 month ago

 So in other words he’s Neifi Perez.  Pass.

3 years 1 month ago

Phillies could send Polanco with Hamels and maybe even Victorino (or Pence) for Turner and Castellanos, Rondon and Crosby (maybe Brennan Boesh if your etired of him)

Ausome7
3 years 1 month ago

thank you Steve

3 years 1 month ago

I do think Hamels could haul a player like Castellanos. Would Phils / Tigers do a 1 for 1 swap?

Ausome7
3 years 1 month ago

The Phillies would not trade an all star pitcher for a top prospect. As much as I would want them to

3 years 1 month ago

The Tigers would not trade a top notch hitting prospect for a 2-month rental of an AS pitcher.

snapcase8p
3 years 1 month ago

The only person I would trade for is Quentin and release or trade Delmon. The 2B options of Barney, Scutaro and Lowrie really don’t offer much of an upgrade over Santiago and Raburn. And the only other available players that would offer an upgrade (Garza, Hamels, Pence) teams’ will probably be too adamant about receiving Castellanos that I just don’t see a deal getting done. Maybe a deal for Dempster wouldn’t be too bad but all of our pitchers can be just as talented as him. It’s inconsistency that’s our pitchers problem, not talent.

EightMileCats
3 years 1 month ago

Jose Altuve is appealing

Just not sure what itd take

snapcase8p
3 years 1 month ago

Houston has stated that he’s not available meaning it would take a lot. Not sure giving up high end prospects for a 5’5 2B is what we need.

3 years 1 month ago

Look at Lowrie’s numbers and tell me again that he’s not an upgrade over Santiago.  I like Santiago a lot but Lowrie is much better offensively for sure and probably equal defensively. 

snapcase8p
3 years 1 month ago

While Lowrie is having a decent year, I still stand by him not being much of an upgrade. He’s getting close to new highs in AB so he has the same prospect of being inconsistent like RS and RR. The only difference is that RS and RR have a track record of being good 2nd half hitters.

3 years 1 month ago

Fair enough but for me Scutaro is just average and also on the downswing in his career.  Personally I’d much rather have Lowrie.

snapcase8p
3 years 1 month ago

I’d rather have neither. Just stick it out Santiago and Raburn and see what’s available in the offseason.

3 years 1 month ago

I don’t think you can trade Delmon when he’s finally showing some life and you really need his power. And even a defensive upgrade over Raburn/Santi (no range) would be a huge plus for a weak defense.

3 years 1 month ago

How about this Turner+2 High Ceiling prospects

for Barney/Garza/couple of mid tier prospects similar too deal above

Kayrall
3 years 1 month ago

Castellanos + Smyly for Garza + Barney + Cash

the_show
3 years 1 month ago

Garza is very inconsistent I think over the long haul this would hurt the Tigers 

EightMileCats
3 years 1 month ago

You’re funny.
Only way you see Castellanos is in a deal with Castro coming the other way

Kayrall
3 years 1 month ago

>Implying that Castellanos has higher trade value than Castro

3 years 1 month ago

 any deal where the other teams gm says the deal starts with castellanos will hear nothing but silence on the other side cause dombrowski has just hung up he may deal turner but he isnt dealing castellanos why do you think we moved him to the outfield

3 years 1 month ago

you really want to trade Castellanos? he is arguably their best prospect of course Jacob Turner is pretty damn good too

clbantau
3 years 1 month ago

I have zero interest in Garza. What we have is already far better, and Barney is not an upgrade (in my opinion) to Santiago. Yes, he had a slow start with the bat, but that is coming around and he’s solid at the plate. He’s always had a good glove and range defensively.

Ausome7
3 years 1 month ago

There is only one player the Tigers would give both Castellanos and Turner, Justin Upton. The Tigers should not give up both for Hamels because he might just be in Detroit for 2 months. Turner shouldn’t even be involved in a Garza deal because in a year he will be better than him. 

3 years 1 month ago

Agreed i’d be disappointed if Castellanos was moved for i’d be fine with it  for Upton, super talent and still very young.

3 years 1 month ago

 i think we could get upton without including castellanos agree on hamels i wouldnt even try for him cause he is gone in the winter anyway

snapcase8p
3 years 1 month ago

Talent and age wise Upton might be worth it but I think Upton is a head case and might prove to be more trouble than he’s worth. Why do you think the D-backs are willing to part with him even though they’re still in a race.

Ausome7
3 years 1 month ago

I think the D-Backs see Upton as a good player but, not a good enough player to build a team around, I feel the same way for ex. about Han-Ram.

Ausome7
3 years 1 month ago

Did I call that or what

Hoosierdaddy92
3 years 1 month ago

The Tigers wouldn’t be building the team around Upton. He’d be a complimentray player to Austin Jackson, Miguel Cabrera, and Prince Fielder. No pressure for him to perform and be “the guy”. I think he would thrive in the #2 hole and in that environment

Ausome7
3 years 1 month ago

Exactly, everyone knows the Tigers are built around souley Cabrera.

Hoosierdaddy92
3 years 1 month ago

I did list two other guys in the offense and didn’t even mention Verlander or Avila

Pawsdeep
3 years 1 month ago

Solely? Nope. Strongly? Yes.

There is also some guys named verlander, avilla, fister , Jackson and this other dude named prince.

But hey; why not build around Cabrera? Any hitter you’d rather gve in the game than him???? Not me.

Hoosierdaddy92
3 years 1 month ago

Amen. A lineup of AJax, Upton, MCab, Prince, Avila and VMart when healthy? Awesome. Icing on the cake if Boesch or Delmon ever figure it out and can play LF.

3 years 1 month ago

But in Detroit, they wouldn’t have to build the team around him. They’ve got Cabby and Prince and JV and Victor to take the pressure off and maybe help him grow up.

randyfastman
3 years 1 month ago

Tigers fans…. Would you do a Hamels and Polanco for Castellanos and Burgos or Paulino deal… with the Phils including cash towards Polanco’s salary??

EightMileCats
3 years 1 month ago

No
Polanco is a shell of his former self. Polanco was a really good 2b for us for a time, but I doubt he could play there now

TheBigNice
3 years 1 month ago

Turner + Smyly + Rondon + Brantly + Boesch for Hamels + Pence.

This assumes that Hamels would be willing to sign with Detroit long-term, which
I doubt.

Thanks, but no thanks, on Polanco.

$28892250
3 years 1 month ago

Take out Rondon and I’d do that in a heartbeat

$28892250
3 years 1 month ago

If you substitute an Oliver-type for Rondon then I’d do that in a heartbeat

3 years 1 month ago

 i agree that would be a done deal i may still include rondon but if they went with oliver done

Lunchbox45
3 years 1 month ago

Kelly Johnson & a reliever for something

Colin Wynn
3 years 1 month ago

It would be interesting if the Blue Jays were in “sell” mode, they need major league ready pitching the worst possible way. I’d certainly love to see Johnson in the Ole English D though.

Lunchbox45
3 years 1 month ago

I think even if they weren’t in sell mode, KJ is a prime candidate to move. 

3 years 1 month ago

 The Tigers had zero interest in Johnson last year and even before that when he was non-tendered.

bobbleheadguru
3 years 1 month ago

Forget about Garza. Turner and/or Smyly are less than 12 months away from equaling Garza on the field at a small fraction of his price. The real need is for Barney. 

Just Barney. What is a fair price?

Heliosphan
3 years 1 month ago

Jose Ortega and Avisail Garcia for Barney and cash?

Hoosierdaddy92
3 years 1 month ago

Interesting that Detroit is playing him in the OF now. I thought that by the time he was called up around 2014, they’d have shifted Prince or Miggy to DH.
Perhaps they are seeing if they can bring him up sooner?

$28892250
3 years 1 month ago

That and I don’t think we want to let Victor walk just for the sake of fitting Castellanos in the lineup. It makes sense for a number of reasons.

Hoosierdaddy92
3 years 1 month ago

Justin Upton, Joe Saunders, and MacDonald/Drew/Roberts(to play 2b) for Castellanos, Crosby, McCann/Brantly, and a lower level guy or two. Hate giving up Castellanos, but this deal would improve the Tigers in every way and Upton is a relatively long-term asset.

Solves all of the Tigers’ problems in one foul swoop. Upton batting 2nd in front of Cabrera would be the ideal situation for him. He wouldn’t have the pressure of being “the guy” that he has in Arizona, but he would still sees plenty of pitches to hit and always have the opportunity to be driven in by MCab and Prince. But he would also have high speed/OBP guys in AJax and Berry/Dirks (batting 9th) on base for him to drive in with his power.  Also fits the Tigers’ window of contention perfectly by being cost-controlled for the next 3 seasons, same as Verlander and Cabrera. Saunders would provide stability at the back end of the rotation. And All three of the suggested IFs would improve the Tigers both offensively and defensively at 2b as well.

3 years 1 month ago

Breaking news.  Nick Castellanos is batting 3rd tonight for AA Erie…. Well that’s not the big news, he’s actually starting in RF tonight.  Depending on how that goes could he be in Detroit within the next couple of weeks?  Maybe so.

TheBigNice
3 years 1 month ago

I’m sure he’ll get his September call up, but he’s not ready for the bigs yet. He hasn’t even played a single pro game in RF yet…not one. But hey, he might produce more than Boesch so who knows. They’ll both be swinging at everything. 

3 years 1 month ago

I know he hasn’t played out there yet, that’s why I asked the question in a couple of weeks.  Earlier in the year I thought no chance they rush him.  My thoughts have since changed.  

3 years 1 month ago

so he is Daniel Murphy with a guy who can actually play Defense

MonsterPike
3 years 1 month ago

 Well, I agree… don’t trade Barney just to trade him or want to trade him.  But if that’s what the other team wants in a potential deal breaker, then they have to decide if they part with him or not.  I don’t think they necessarily “want” to trade him though.  But if a team does want him, make them pay by upping their ante.  I can’t wait for this trading deadline to be over either…  All of the handwringing over who we’d get for who & other teams fans thinking they’re paying too much for “our” guys… etc… When a trade happens, I’m happy to offer up my opinion, but until something goes down, we’re all just spitting in the wind essentially…

Colin Wynn
3 years 1 month ago

Turner is not a projected #1 starter, he’s a #2, possibly #3 starter. His fastball isn’t elite enough for him to ever be considered an ace of a pitching staff. He’s good but you are far overselling his value, which has dropped considerably from early spring.

LeylandsLung
3 years 1 month ago

 That’s not what the Tiger executives have said.

3 years 1 month ago

Not true.  He was and is a bat first 3rd baseman.  Not saying he’s a bad 3rd baseman but he’s not been projected to be an above average glove.

baseballdude
3 years 1 month ago

if your sick of trading season then you have the wrong website.

gcheezpuff
3 years 1 month ago

Dempster and Barney maybe, but that isn’t enough for Garza alone. It is being reported that Garza, because of control, is the most valuable pitcher on the market… Not the best, but the highest return value is expected.

3 years 1 month ago

No he definitely has been projected as an ace.  You tellin me that Greg Maddux wasn’t an ace because he didn’t have elite stuff?  Not comparing him to Maddux but just making a point.

Colin Wynn
3 years 1 month ago

I’ve seen him plenty of times in Lakeland and Toledo, he’s a great prospect, but he is most certainly not a #1 starter. He’s got a decent fastball reaching 93-94 and he’s got above average secondary pitches but, he does not have a dominant pitch to go back to when he needs a punchout. Your responses clearly show you’re reading out-of-date reports when it comes to Tigers prospects, especially if you think that Castellanos is good defensivley at 3rd. And for crying out loud his name is spelled R-A-B-U-R-N, I know he sucks but come on it’s not that hard.

Sean Heyboer
3 years 1 month ago

Dear God, man. His name is Raburn. Raburn. Raburn.

I’ll say it a fourth time, Raburn.

Colin Wynn
3 years 1 month ago

That list was put out in February…it’s mid July.

Colin Wynn
3 years 1 month ago

His stock has declined from last year. He was a top 15 prospect last year, but with his “dead arm” in spring he fell down the ranks. That’s not surprising it’s just what happens when someone so young has an injury to his pitching arm. He’s been great his last 6 starts in Toledo, i’ve never argued that but you’re using “projections” as facts. Castellanos may have been projected with an above average glove, but when it’s been proven this year that FACTUALLY he’s a sub-par defender. 

Sean Heyboer
3 years 1 month ago

You can call him whatever you want, but when you try and make an educated point about the team that you follow, it’s best to spell the person’s name correctly or risk losing credibility.

Example: I disagree with your assessment of Turner. I think he is a number three starter at best. He has control issues, and shown limited composure and is regressing somewhat. I would listen to your differing view of him and take stock in what you had to say, normally, but if you were to call him Justin Turner, or Jacob Tarner or whatever, I would quickly dismiss your thoughts.

Sean Heyboer
3 years 1 month ago

But yes, Ra(y)burn sucks.

bobbleheadguru
3 years 1 month ago

 OK “Milly Ouch”.

snapcase8p
3 years 1 month ago

That’s not true. Turner was advanced for his age and that’s why he was so highly touted, much like Porcello. Turner is basically a carbon copy of Porcello and Porcello is clearly not a #1. As Turner has matured baseball people are starting to realize that his ceiling is not as high as originally projected. That’s why he’s falling down the prospect lists and is no longer sought after or untouchable as he once was. Turner is definitely a #3 or #2 if he pitches above his repertoire ala Fister. But Turner will definitely never be a staff ace. If he is, that team is in trouble.

randyfastman
3 years 1 month ago

It’ll be interesting to see what the new CBA will do to midseason “rental” trades… In years past the Phils would definitely be able to bring in a better package then listed above.  maybe not a Castellanos and Turner type package but defintitely one of the two plus 2 or 3 others.  Something tells me there’s a few teams out there that might see this year as their one shot and will pull out all the stops to win it.  oh and I know Polanco doesn’t have much value just threw him in due to the Tiger’s need at 2nd.

Alex
3 years 1 month ago

I hope Castellanos stays. I’d rather see Turner go than Nick.

3 years 1 month ago

Garza is good but he aint that good.  Not good enough to warrant the rumors of what they want for him.

3 years 1 month ago

I have to agree… I’ve seen Turner pitch a few times now and don’t see anything that’s really that impressive. Smyly looks a lot more promising to me.

3 years 1 month ago

Maddux never walked as many as Turner does.

ImperialStout
3 years 1 month ago

Keith Law says he’s a capable 3B. He’s not good, but he’s not bad, either. I watched him play A ball… He can hang for a little while.