Dodgers Awarded Claim On Adrian Gonzalez

4:22pm: The Dodgers are "very serious" about trading for Gonzalez and have lots of options, Yahoo's Jeff Passan reports (on Twitter).

2:51pm: There’s a growing possibility that the Red Sox will trade Gonzalez to the Dodgers, Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.com reports. However, Red Sox officials told Edes they “love Adrian” and are simply exploring all ways of improving their team.

2:12pm: The Red Sox are listening to the Dodgers' trade pitch for Gonzalez, but the chances of a deal being completed are slim, Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe reports (on Twitter).

12:52pm: The Dodgers have erased any lingering doubts about their willingness to spend big on impact MLB players. They were awarded the waiver claim on Adrian Gonzalez, the latest in a series of aggressive moves by the team's new ownership group, Bill Shaikin of the LA Times reports (on Twitter). The Dodgers and Red Sox now have until Sunday to discuss a possible trade, but August waivers are revocable, so the Red Sox can elect to hold onto Gonzalez.

Alternatively, Boston GM Ben Cherington could work out a trade involving Gonzalez or assign the San Diego native and the $130MM-plus remaining on his contract to the Dodgers. The Dodgers couldn't have won the claiming rights unless every American League team passed on Gonzalez, as well as every National League team with a worse record than Los Angeles.

Gonzalez can’t block a move to the Dodgers, Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times reported yesterday. However, the Red Sox would only move Gonzalez in a transformative or franchise-changing move, Ken Rosenthal reported. Boston wouldn't let him go for nothing, Jon Heyman added. Jim Bowden of MLB Network Radio and ESPN.com asked a Red Sox official if Boston will trade Gonzalez to Los Angeles in the next two days and the person replied 'no' (Twitter link). If the Red Sox are willing to consider trading Gonzalez, they could wait until the offseason and engage more teams.

Gonzalez, the first overall pick in the 2000 draft, will earn $21MM per season through 2016 and obtain a raise to $21.5MM for 2017-18. The total exceeds $130MM when accounting for the remainder of Gonzalez's 2012 salary. The 30-year-old has a .300/.343/.469 batting line with 15 home runs and 37 doubles in 527 plate appearances this year. He would represent a considerable upgrade over James Loney for the Dodgers.

Since taking over at the beginning of the 2012 season team president Stan Kasten and chairman Mark Walter have made it clear that they're willing to spend aggressively. The Dodgers claimed Cliff Lee on waivers earlier this month after trading for Shane Victorino, Hanley Ramirez, Joe Blanton and Brandon League.


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167 Comments on "Dodgers Awarded Claim On Adrian Gonzalez"


Gumby65
2 years 11 months ago

This changes everything….
Didn’t expect him to slip through.

Karkat
2 years 11 months ago

No it doesn’t. 😛

Gumby65
2 years 11 months ago

Actually it does.

Karkat
2 years 11 months ago

Well played, sir.

Lunchbox45
2 years 11 months ago

k not that he’s actually going to get traded, but how does he make it all the way to the dodgers anyways?

Karkat
2 years 11 months ago

That’s a pretty good question o.o

sdsuphilip
2 years 11 months ago

he isn’t worth his contract

Lunchbox45
2 years 11 months ago

that’s a ridiculous statement. the market suggests its a bargain

sdsuphilip
2 years 11 months ago

No it doesn’t a player making a excess of 21 million+ over the next 5 years that is showing power decline already and aging is not a “bargain”

Lunchbox45
2 years 11 months ago

wow

swa0807
2 years 11 months ago

I don’t think it is a power decline. I think it’s that even though fenway may be more hitter friendly than PETCO, it may not be suited to his power and the rest of the parks in the A.L. may not suit him as well as N.L. parks. Or he just changed his approach in Boston.

sdsuphilip
2 years 11 months ago

That’s a cop out of a answer, he plays about 70% of his games in Fenway, Camden, Yankee Stadium, and Rogers center all extreme hitters parks and it looks like he won’t slug 500 for the first time since his Rangers days, also it looks like he will ISO under 200 for first time since he was 24, he is aging and already 30, and I haven’t even meantioned his walk rate

Tommy Ngo
2 years 11 months ago

I’m a Padres fan and I love Adrian but this is not a bargain.. How is the 8th highest paid player in the league a bargain?

He is one of the best hitters in the league though but a bargain would be Giancarlo Stanton for 480k or Mike Trout.

Lunchbox45
2 years 11 months ago

and one day statnton and trout will get paid well, you can’t compare 1st and 2nd year players to a veteran who could have already reached Free Agency

reality is, that Gonzalez is in the class of Fielder, Votto, Pujols, Teixera, Howard

and is getting paid the least of all of them. The bargain lies in his extension, had he reached free agency he would havent gotten paid much more.

Tommy Ngo
2 years 11 months ago

Well I was just defining a true “bargain”. Adrian’s contract is not one. I guess if you want to take that route, Josh Willingham 3 years 21 million is a better bargain.

Lunchbox45
2 years 11 months ago

no sorry, there can only be one bargain.

Odawg8
2 years 11 months ago

and he is easily having the worst year out of all of them (except for the injured Howard, who doesn’t really belong in this tier anyway IMO), and therefore should be earning way less than them, which he is not.

and a minor correction, i get the point but Pujols is actually only getting paid about $12MM this year, his deal is severely backloaded.

Karkat
2 years 11 months ago

Among other issues, this is implying that there was ever a remote chance of the Red Sox just dumping him on another team. That was NEVER going to happen, so that “risk” should not have factored into any team’s claim decision.

ultimate913
2 years 11 months ago

Dat contract.

jfretless
2 years 11 months ago

Must be nice to be able put fires out by throwing money on them.

BVHjays
2 years 11 months ago

The Marlins agree.

The Bad Guy 78
2 years 11 months ago

Trade him!

Devern Hansack
2 years 11 months ago

Any chance that the Dodgers have the prospects and are willing to get a deal done?

sdsuphilip
2 years 11 months ago

no

Lunchbox45
2 years 11 months ago

hanley +

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 11 months ago

Yeah, that makes tons of sense.

johnsilver
2 years 11 months ago

Boston wasn’t “in” really on Hanley before, agreed. I realy don’t see any chance of Gonzalez getting to LAD Bluesky, since a sensible LAD fan has posted here. Still think Morneau is the Dodgers best fit for a both St/LT solution at that problem.

Only way can see Boston moving Gonzo is if1)

Somehow the Sox go into a rare rebuild mode

LAD takes on a huge contract, besides Gonzalez and gives up multiple decent prospects and honestly? going after Mauer during the winter is a FAR bett idea, saving $$$ ST and LT, not to mention probably even fewer prospects.

It’s just not a fit at all and going to give a lot of people here a reason to post.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 11 months ago

Getting right down to basics it also would make no sense for the Dodgers to take one step forward and one step backwards. The odds that Gonzales goes anywhere are long, but to put it another way, nobody else but the Dodgers is both in a position to inherit his contract and motivated enough to do the deal. We can only guess what it would take, but swallowing his massive contract should be a large part of the price of making it happen, and my guess is the new ownership is wiling to pay that price.

MaineSox
2 years 11 months ago

His contract should be a positive (to any team who can afford large contracts), not a negative, simply because he has the best contract of any of the other comparable players. They couldn’t go out and get another player as good as Gonzalez on as good a contract as Gonzalez.

Paying $80k for a Veyron doesn’t work for me because I can’t afford it, but it’s a screaming deal to anyone who can.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 11 months ago

So here’s a point of view we could discuss sensibly. My feeling is that the contract is on the bubble. Some teams could not take it on, just as you say, simply because they can’t afford it. This limits the market considerably. The other question in play is how the player would fit into any given team’s lineup. He’d slot right in for the Dodgers, probably not so much for another team at this particular moment. Both factors weigh towards the Dodgers valuing Gonzales more highly than other teams, and Boston has to know that. I think they’d have to offer one or two decent prospects, but not empty the farm system. So much depends on whether the BoSox are motivated, and I don’t we know anything about that.

MaineSox
2 years 11 months ago

I don’t see any reason why the Red Sox would be motivated to move Gonzalez. To a team who can afford him (like Boston) he really is a relative bargain, and they aren’t going to get that kind of production for anything close to what they owe him (and there’s no one available to give anything like that kind of production anyway), so I really think, unless they can significantly improve positions of greater need (and live with less production out of 1B), they would prefer just to keep him.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 11 months ago

Could be, but the teams do seem to be talking, which means the BoSox have some motivation or are at least interested enough to hear what the Dodgers have to offer. We aren’t hearing the instant “he’s going nowhere” response the Dodgers got from the Phillies when they claimed Cliff Lee, so that says something.

MaineSox
2 years 11 months ago

Sure, I think Boston would be willing to listen on anyone at this point (after missing the playoffs for three straight years in a market like Boston, you have to be willing to look at all possible options), but I still think they would have to be pretty blown away by the return to move a guy like Gonzalez.

Boston’s biggest need is pitching, and LA has a lot of pitching, so I don’t think a deal is impossible (and as much as I really like Gonzalez, I wouldn’t mind moving him in the right deal), but I think it would have to be in the offseason (too many guys Boston would want are on the 40 man roster), and I think LA would probably balk at the asking price.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 11 months ago

Willingness to talk is step one, but step two is a long way from step one!

IdontknowwhyIpostonforums
2 years 11 months ago

I agree with you on the lack of motivation for the Red Sox to move him. I mean, I don’t live in Boston, so I am not sure how hated he really is, but from the games I have seen, he is still one of the best 1B in the game.

Additionally, I don’t see a match-up with the Dodgers. Who would the Sox want that the Dodgers would be willing to part with? All players must clear waivers so chances are there is very little that could change hands.

Personally, I am ok with LA not getting AGon just because I would rather take a shorter deal for a guy like Morneau and spend that money on pursuing a top outfielder.

EDIT: All players on the 40-man must clear.

MaineSox
2 years 11 months ago

I know, that’s why I think a deal would have to be in the offseason, if it were to happen at all.

soxfan0928
2 years 11 months ago

Here’s the conversation:

Colletti: Hey, what do you want for Adrian Gonzalez?
Cherrington: Clayton Kershaw.
Colletti: *click*
Cherrington: *Revokes Gonzalez*

sdsuphilip
2 years 11 months ago

Really it is a non story, Dodgers don’t have the prospects and Red Sox aren’t a money strapped team that will give his contract up without anything in return, they will pull him back.

Gumby65
2 years 11 months ago

Which is exactly why they put him on waivers in the first place no doubt, just so they can be Lucy pulling the football back before Chuck can kick it.

Devern Hansack
2 years 11 months ago

What if they agreed to absorb a good chunk of Crawford’s contract? He and Punto have already cleared waivers.

BVHjays
2 years 11 months ago

I mean, you’re probably right.

But with a team that reportedly is trying to cut back on mega-money contracts, this is a chance to rid themselves of an $130M commitment.

Here’s a thought: Give them Gonzalez if they’ll take Crawford too. (Okay, that might be getting a bit crazy. It’s Friday. I’m tired.)

2 years 11 months ago

Crawford would have to clear waivers, someone would claim him just to destroy that deal. Edit: Guess he did clear. Nice research on my part

Jorden
2 years 11 months ago

crawford already cleared waivers and can be dealt to anyone.

Ry.the_Stunner
2 years 11 months ago

The Dodgers have NO need for Crawford. They have an outfield of Kemp, Ethier, and Victorino.

2 years 11 months ago

Victorino is a free agent after the season

belarde26
2 years 11 months ago

Victorino already said he is going to talk about an extension soon or after the season. He wants to stay in LA.

Klaus D.
2 years 11 months ago

Of course he did. He’s trying to make a good impression on his new team, city, etc. How often do players get traded to a new city and when asked if they want to stay by local media, say, “man, this place sucks. I’m outta here as soon as the season’s over”.

2 years 11 months ago

And CC is out until next year anyhow, so it would not crowd the outfield this year.

Lunchbox45
2 years 11 months ago

no he’s not, the recovery for position players is not as long

YanksFanSince78
2 years 11 months ago

He said he is OUT until next year, not out for all of next year. Unless he edited his post then he assumes he will start 2013 in shape, ready to go.

Lunchbox45
2 years 11 months ago

he edited

2 years 11 months ago

No i did not.

MaineSox
2 years 11 months ago

Edit: pretty much exactly what YFS78 said.

Lunchbox45
2 years 11 months ago

original post was CC is gone for all of next year

Paul
2 years 11 months ago

Yes he is. Read it again. He is out “until” net year, when Vicotino will (or could) be gone. So no overcrowding.

Jarrod Mitchell
2 years 11 months ago

Crawford is out until at least the begging of next season as well. No thanks.

matthew07
2 years 11 months ago

Yeah, he might be “begging” to play next season. LOL

GasLampGuru
2 years 11 months ago

Crawford is having TJ surgery, which means he wont be able to throw a ball from the outfield at all for at least 12 months. Crawford would essentially need to DH in order to play at all next season.

Jason_F
2 years 11 months ago

Incorrect. Pretty much everywhere you look, it mentions a six month recovery time frame from TJ surgery for position players. That puts him in line to be back in time for Spring Training.

MaineSox
2 years 11 months ago

Position players generally start throwing programs at 5 months after TJ surgery, and can throw in game action after 6-7 months. It generally takes about a year for their arm strength to be back to 100%, but they can start throwing in half that time.

go_jays_go
2 years 11 months ago

I wouldn’t call it a non-story. If Gonzalez is pulled back from the waivers, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Dodgers and Red Sox explore a deal in the off-season.

Claiming someone on waivers is more of a precursor for the off-season.

sdsuphilip
2 years 11 months ago

Actually it is not at all, the dodgers don’t have the players to get adrian whether it be in offseason or in season, nothing changes that.

MaineSox
2 years 11 months ago

Well, in the offseason they could move players off of their major league roster to trade for him, but I don’t think they would trade the major leaguers it would take to get him, and I don’t think they have the prospects to do it, so it’s pretty much a moot point.

ThinkBlue10
2 years 11 months ago

Do you know the Dodgers farm system well enough to say that? I think the Dodgers have the money and enough prospects to land him. Lee, Webster, and Pederson would be a good core of players to send to Boston.

sdsuphilip
2 years 11 months ago

They can easily get more in the open market during the offseason.

2 years 11 months ago

Chances of this are slim to none, and slim just left town.

redlake
2 years 11 months ago

Well put, I agree……but thinking that he would look nice in our line-up…dream on.
IF he came over I’ll bet he would catch fire, Boston is a horrible place to be right now.

johnsilver
2 years 11 months ago

There is a old saying that fits well as to the chances.. better than all of my other posts and probably better than all the 2-300 that will end up being posted here:

When pigs can fly.. That is the likelihood Gonzalez ends up in LA, or at least before the season ends…

Edit:

Maybe the Pig is being towed out to the landing strip??

Edit #2
Warming up engines now….

bigpat
2 years 11 months ago

Getting sick of the Red Sox waiver players the only ones making news, 99.99999999999% odds that he stays in Boston.

johnsilver
2 years 11 months ago

You are? i am tired of the dolts here who think Boston should give away every person (Gonzalez here) just because they get the press and are on waivers.

sometimes it IS better to be in a press starved town where the biggest thing going on is actual the normal folks going to work, struggles of reality etc.. Like Pittsburgh and KC, unlike in places like Boston, NY, LA, where they seem to have 5 writers for every real working ‘stiff” and the ones who cannot find a real story take mind altering materials and lay back..Then type away….

BVHjays
2 years 11 months ago

Yeah! I don’t understand why more people don’t argue that the Rays need to shed all those huge contracts!

Odawg8
2 years 11 months ago

…they should give Gonzalez away, his contract is going to be an albatross soon (if it isn’t already) and now a team is offering to take it off their hands and help them get under the luxury tax. I don’t think that they will do it, mostly because Cherington is scared to give off any impression of a rebuild whatsoever, but I think it would most likely be a good idea for them.

YanksFanSince78
2 years 11 months ago

Well to be fair, this post is about who won the claim. About 4 or 5 other posts of claims were listed in the last day or two as well.

jeffmaz
2 years 11 months ago

So you’re telling me there’s a chance?

johnsilver
2 years 11 months ago

Now it gets interesting..**IF** Boston decides they even want to move him.. LAD 1st off takes Beckett and pays him, then does LA have enough prospects to make it worthwhile for Boston to go into full blown rebuild mode?

Heck.. Give ’em Salty also while they are at it….

Jorden
2 years 11 months ago

beckett would most like veto a trade to LA.

Ben_Cherington
2 years 11 months ago

Any evidence? He doesnt seem happy in Boston. He isnt going to the playoffs this year.

cp6208
2 years 11 months ago

He cant block a trade to LA

Karkat
2 years 11 months ago

Uhhh, 10-5 rights?

jwsox
2 years 11 months ago

10-5 literally means 10 years in the MLB and 5 years on the same team. He does not have these rights.

Karkat
2 years 11 months ago

I am well aware of what 10-5 right are. And Josh Beckett has about 10.5 years of MLB service time (over parts of 12 seasons) and has been with the Red Sox since 2006 (putting him in his 7th season). Unless I’m missing something, that gives him 10-5 rights.

cp6208
2 years 11 months ago

Sorry i thought you were talking about a gon

Karkat
2 years 11 months ago

I mean, the post you responded to was about Beckett so I assumed we were on the same page.

cp6208
2 years 11 months ago

And that is why i apologized you see how that works?

jwsox
2 years 11 months ago

Oh my bad I thought you were talking about Adrian.

Jamie Sayer
2 years 11 months ago

That actually makes the most sense to me, if they could get LA to also take Beckett it could be worthwhile depending on the offer.

$6101468
2 years 11 months ago

A win-win situation for Boston. Maybe squeeze a prospect or two and shed a boat load of money.

Jason_F
2 years 11 months ago

I think you’re ignoring a significant loss in that equation…the fact that you would be subtracting one of the best first baseman in the game from the on-field product.

2 years 11 months ago

Agreed, why would the Sox want to do this for anything less than a franchise pitcher?

zonis
2 years 11 months ago

Maybe the Dodgers can try to find the corpse of Adam Eaton in return for Gonzalez!

bob-a-louie
2 years 11 months ago

Gonzalez for Ethier?

MaineSox
2 years 11 months ago

No

Odawg8
2 years 11 months ago

on the dodgers side

2 years 11 months ago

Do the Dodgers even have anything ‘franchise-changing’ to offer? Honestly, I’d rather keep him. He’s not the ‘dirt-dog’ everyone in Boston wants, but the guy can hit, he’s an above average defender, and hasn’t even reached his full potential. Arguably one of the top 5 all around hitters since the All-Star break.

Hoss
2 years 11 months ago

Unless the red sox need pitching the dodgers don’t have anything to offer. They have pitching in abundance though. Zach Lee would be franchise altering.

2 years 11 months ago

Pitching is exactly what the Red Sox need. Starting pitching is their biggest issue, among many others.

stl_cards16
2 years 11 months ago

Pretty much every system has a Zach Lee. Nice pitcher, not anywhere close to franchise altering.

johnsilver
2 years 11 months ago

Boston has Barnes, Owens ranked above Lee and if you want to check out top SP prospects already at AA? Boston already has Workman + Britton, doing better than Lee and closer to helping the team.

Barnes is a year, maybe a year and a half away. owens maybe 2-3. Britton and Workman 1-2 and they even have Hernandez at AAA who could be a back end SP and is just 23 and help out.

Lee isn’t going to be any kind of core piece to any deal that would make any deal when Boston has more numerous SP prospects that have had better results and a couple are even ranked higher in various charts/polls coming out.

it isn’t even beyond the realm to see Boston ask for a proven SP from the LAD current rotation and not one of the rubbish throwers either and just forget about the LAD prospects, plus take on Beckett as well.

Boston still has the key here.. One of the highest $$$ per WAR producers over the last 3 years as Over the monster site said and this site linked to a couple of articles previously. No need at all to move him.

ultimate913
2 years 11 months ago

Tell them you’ll let them have A-Gon + contract for free as long as they also win claim to one of Beckett, Lackey or Crawford.

Earl Gendron
2 years 11 months ago

How long was Lackey’s arm a problem…. the Sox put the “if the arm gets damaged, add another year at league minimum” into his contract for a reason. Who knows what he’ll be worth when he gets back, but that also drops his value luxury tax wise enough that its worth keeping him as a #3 vs how much we’d have to pay of his next two years

2 years 11 months ago

If the Dodgers take Beckett as well, I couldn’t see why a deal can’t be done. The dodgers have no use for Crawford, especially after his latest injury. The Dodgers can offer a lot of prospects while absorbing those contracts. While absorbing them

2 years 11 months ago

The Bsox cant expect a Tex type of deal. Offer Loney, Sands, Withrow, DeJesus, Guerra and whomever else.

the_show
2 years 11 months ago

nobody wants James Loney

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 11 months ago

Not even James Loney.

IdontknowwhyIpostonforums
2 years 11 months ago

Poor James, he has fallen so far. I was really hoping for the second coming of Mark Grace. Now, I wish we had Gracie at first.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 11 months ago

So you are saying that Loney has fallen from Grace?

Sully65
2 years 11 months ago

Keep Loney

harmony55
2 years 11 months ago

Players on the Dodgers’ 40-man roster would need to clear waivers before they can be traded.

VivaJackMurphy
2 years 11 months ago

How the mighty have fallen.

Gumby65
2 years 11 months ago

I have seen multiple posts where this massively overused phrase is applicable, this not being one of them.

VivaJackMurphy
2 years 11 months ago

Well, you tell me partner: This is a guy who has hit 10 and 8 home runs in two seasons at Fenway after hitting 11, 12 and 14 in Petco the prior 3 years in a far worse line-up, who signed a mega-deal after being traded for top prospects after moping his way through a few good seasons as a Padre. He was part of what was supposed to be the greatest team EVAR in Boston and now not even two years later he’s waiver wire bait. So you explain to me how it’s not applicable.

TigerFan1968
2 years 11 months ago

His power is declining. Let the Dodgers take all the risk for another overpaid first baseman. If he can barely hit 20 HR in Boston this is a blessing for the Red Sox. The Dodgers are intent on outspending the Angels which is hard to do but I say let them try.

APNDaveR
2 years 11 months ago

In reality, “transformative trade” = if you give us Matt Kemp and Clayton Kershaw, maybe we’ll talk. And I just don’t see that happening at all.

Edit: given the downvotes, I think I need to clarify this. I’m not saying that the Dodgers should entertain a Kemp/Kershaw deal for Gonzalez. They should hang up the phone, and check caller ID to see who’s been pranking them if that’s suggested.

I’m saying that Cherington made clear what terms the Sox would be accepting in a deal for Gonzalez: a “transformative” trade. Which means “we become MUCH better as a result of the trade”. Given that Gonzalez, as unpopular here in Boston as he may be right now, is still a lock to hit in the .275-.285 range with good to excellent power, and given that the Red Sox have precisely no one in the pipeline who’s a MLB-level power hitting 1B, that means the Sox are going to want to replace the offense AND improve in some other department. Given the Dodgers’ current assets, that means matching up with the Red Sox would mean either gutting their MLB-caliber minor league talent pool (such as it is) or giving up A-level assets at the MLB level, e.g. a Matt Kemp.

And as I noted below, there’s precisely zero need or incentive for the Dodgers to do that, as Gonzalez is not going to be an accretive addition to their talent pool after you subtract what the Red Sox have indicated they’ll be seeking. Which is why this isn’t going anywhere right now.

In the offseason, when the Red Sox may have identified other offensive targets in trade or free agency to replace Gonzalez’s offense, we MIGHT see them revisit a deal with the Dodgers for one or two of the Dodgers’ young pitchers, trading current production for equivalent future production in a different position. But I strongly, strongly doubt anything’s going to happen now.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 11 months ago

Probably because it’s a totally ludicrous suggestion.

APNDaveR
2 years 11 months ago

Exactly. There’s absolutely no pressing need for the Dodgers to overpay and give the Red Sox what they’re going to demand for Gonzalez, and no pressing need for the Red Sox to take pennies on the dollar in a salary dump, as he’s still a valuable offensive asset. This is a non-starter.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 11 months ago

My guess, based on the contract, is that Gonzales would not fetch a huge haul of prospects for any team willing to take on all of the money.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 11 months ago

I appreciate the effort to clarify your original argument, but I honestly don’t think it helps a great deal in making the argument. Gonzales’ value has to be measured against the amount of dollars owed to him. He signed a premium player contract both in terms of dollars and years. Those contracts are inherently risky, and the questions on the floor should also be whether he’s playing up to his salary now and is he expected to do so in the future. If the answer isn’t yes to both questions, then nobody should seriously expect the Dodgers or any other team to give away the store AND take over the contract. The other problem with your suggestion that doesn’t get address by your clarification is, the Dodgers are simply not going to make any deal that is just a wash for them. They are not trading any centerpiece players if only because that would weaken the team just as much as it strengthens it.

APNDaveR
2 years 11 months ago

I think we’re in total agreement, but are just talking around each other. My point, such as it is, is that there’s no conceivable trade between the Sox and the Dodgers involving Gonzales that makes any sense at all right now, given that the Sox have drawn a line in the sand with respect to what they’d accept in trade. I think you’re saying the same thing, no?

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 11 months ago

Maybe, but I wasn’t aware of any lines in the sand. It should be obvious that trading a player of the caliber of Kemp or Kershaw is logical non-starter. The Dodgers make a move of this kind now only if it strengthens the team for the pennant race. If the BoSox ask for anything more than a couple of good prospects and/or some leftover pieces then they are talking to themselves.

APNDaveR
2 years 11 months ago

The line on the sand is the “transformative trade” comment. That’s a clear signal that they’re not in salary dump mode. To me, it’s clearly front office speak for “you’re going to need to impress us with your offer”, which the Dodgers are unlikely to do.

I’ll admit that I’m not factoring off-field issues into this. For all I know, Larry Lucchino hates Adrian personally and would command Cherington to send him to LA for five Dodger Dogs (grilled) and a Rick Monday rookie card. Or, the team may have made an internal decision that Gonzales — who is, shall we say, a bit laid back in his approach to baseball — isn’t a good chemistry fit with their desired team makeup.

But from my perspective, the waiver listing was done to see if any pennant contenders other than the Dodgers (whose interest was already a matter of record) would overpay for AGon right now. There weren’t any bites, so I’m guessing they pull him back and talk to LA in the offseason, as there’s clearly some level of interest there.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 11 months ago

Could be, but just to be clear, the BoSox don’t get nothing for Gonzales, even if it’s just a couple of warm bodies, if another team picks up the $130m check. That might not be a lot of money in Boston, but nearly everywhere else it isn’t chump change.

APNDaveR
2 years 11 months ago

Well, it appears we both overlooked the Nick Punto factor. Once he’s involved, all bets are off….

Randolph_Knackstedt
2 years 11 months ago

Just because you put together a super team on paper, that doesn’t mean it will translate into wins.

Jon
2 years 11 months ago

But the Eagles are a dynasty!