Dodgers Awarded Claim On Adrian Gonzalez

4:22pm: The Dodgers are "very serious" about trading for Gonzalez and have lots of options, Yahoo's Jeff Passan reports (on Twitter).

2:51pm: There’s a growing possibility that the Red Sox will trade Gonzalez to the Dodgers, Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.com reports. However, Red Sox officials told Edes they “love Adrian” and are simply exploring all ways of improving their team.

2:12pm: The Red Sox are listening to the Dodgers' trade pitch for Gonzalez, but the chances of a deal being completed are slim, Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe reports (on Twitter).

12:52pm: The Dodgers have erased any lingering doubts about their willingness to spend big on impact MLB players. They were awarded the waiver claim on Adrian Gonzalez, the latest in a series of aggressive moves by the team's new ownership group, Bill Shaikin of the LA Times reports (on Twitter). The Dodgers and Red Sox now have until Sunday to discuss a possible trade, but August waivers are revocable, so the Red Sox can elect to hold onto Gonzalez.

Alternatively, Boston GM Ben Cherington could work out a trade involving Gonzalez or assign the San Diego native and the $130MM-plus remaining on his contract to the Dodgers. The Dodgers couldn't have won the claiming rights unless every American League team passed on Gonzalez, as well as every National League team with a worse record than Los Angeles.

Gonzalez can’t block a move to the Dodgers, Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times reported yesterday. However, the Red Sox would only move Gonzalez in a transformative or franchise-changing move, Ken Rosenthal reported. Boston wouldn't let him go for nothing, Jon Heyman added. Jim Bowden of MLB Network Radio and ESPN.com asked a Red Sox official if Boston will trade Gonzalez to Los Angeles in the next two days and the person replied 'no' (Twitter link). If the Red Sox are willing to consider trading Gonzalez, they could wait until the offseason and engage more teams.

Gonzalez, the first overall pick in the 2000 draft, will earn $21MM per season through 2016 and obtain a raise to $21.5MM for 2017-18. The total exceeds $130MM when accounting for the remainder of Gonzalez's 2012 salary. The 30-year-old has a .300/.343/.469 batting line with 15 home runs and 37 doubles in 527 plate appearances this year. He would represent a considerable upgrade over James Loney for the Dodgers.

Since taking over at the beginning of the 2012 season team president Stan Kasten and chairman Mark Walter have made it clear that they're willing to spend aggressively. The Dodgers claimed Cliff Lee on waivers earlier this month after trading for Shane Victorino, Hanley Ramirez, Joe Blanton and Brandon League.


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  1. Gumby65 3 years ago

    This changes everything….
    Didn’t expect him to slip through.

  2. Lunchbox45 3 years ago

    k not that he’s actually going to get traded, but how does he make it all the way to the dodgers anyways?

    • Karkat 3 years ago

      That’s a pretty good question o.o

    • sdsuphilip 3 years ago

      he isn’t worth his contract

      • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

        that’s a ridiculous statement. the market suggests its a bargain

        • sdsuphilip 3 years ago

          No it doesn’t a player making a excess of 21 million+ over the next 5 years that is showing power decline already and aging is not a “bargain”

          • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

            wow

          • swa0807 3 years ago

            I don’t think it is a power decline. I think it’s that even though fenway may be more hitter friendly than PETCO, it may not be suited to his power and the rest of the parks in the A.L. may not suit him as well as N.L. parks. Or he just changed his approach in Boston.

          • sdsuphilip 3 years ago

            That’s a cop out of a answer, he plays about 70% of his games in Fenway, Camden, Yankee Stadium, and Rogers center all extreme hitters parks and it looks like he won’t slug 500 for the first time since his Rangers days, also it looks like he will ISO under 200 for first time since he was 24, he is aging and already 30, and I haven’t even meantioned his walk rate

          • Tommy Ngo 3 years ago

            I’m a Padres fan and I love Adrian but this is not a bargain.. How is the 8th highest paid player in the league a bargain?

            He is one of the best hitters in the league though but a bargain would be Giancarlo Stanton for 480k or Mike Trout.

          • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

            and one day statnton and trout will get paid well, you can’t compare 1st and 2nd year players to a veteran who could have already reached Free Agency

            reality is, that Gonzalez is in the class of Fielder, Votto, Pujols, Teixera, Howard

            and is getting paid the least of all of them. The bargain lies in his extension, had he reached free agency he would havent gotten paid much more.

          • Tommy Ngo 3 years ago

            Well I was just defining a true “bargain”. Adrian’s contract is not one. I guess if you want to take that route, Josh Willingham 3 years 21 million is a better bargain.

          • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

            no sorry, there can only be one bargain.

          • Odawg8 3 years ago

            and he is easily having the worst year out of all of them (except for the injured Howard, who doesn’t really belong in this tier anyway IMO), and therefore should be earning way less than them, which he is not.

            and a minor correction, i get the point but Pujols is actually only getting paid about $12MM this year, his deal is severely backloaded.

      • Karkat 3 years ago

        Among other issues, this is implying that there was ever a remote chance of the Red Sox just dumping him on another team. That was NEVER going to happen, so that “risk” should not have factored into any team’s claim decision.

    • ultimate913 3 years ago

      Dat contract.

  3. jfretless 3 years ago

    Must be nice to be able put fires out by throwing money on them.

  4. The Bad Guy 78 3 years ago

    Trade him!

  5. Devern Hansack 3 years ago

    Any chance that the Dodgers have the prospects and are willing to get a deal done?

    • sdsuphilip 3 years ago

      no

    • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

      hanley +

      • BlueSkyLA 3 years ago

        Yeah, that makes tons of sense.

        • johnsilver 3 years ago

          Boston wasn’t “in” really on Hanley before, agreed. I realy don’t see any chance of Gonzalez getting to LAD Bluesky, since a sensible LAD fan has posted here. Still think Morneau is the Dodgers best fit for a both St/LT solution at that problem.

          Only way can see Boston moving Gonzo is if1)

          Somehow the Sox go into a rare rebuild mode

          LAD takes on a huge contract, besides Gonzalez and gives up multiple decent prospects and honestly? going after Mauer during the winter is a FAR bett idea, saving $$$ ST and LT, not to mention probably even fewer prospects.

          It’s just not a fit at all and going to give a lot of people here a reason to post.

          • BlueSkyLA 3 years ago

            Getting right down to basics it also would make no sense for the Dodgers to take one step forward and one step backwards. The odds that Gonzales goes anywhere are long, but to put it another way, nobody else but the Dodgers is both in a position to inherit his contract and motivated enough to do the deal. We can only guess what it would take, but swallowing his massive contract should be a large part of the price of making it happen, and my guess is the new ownership is wiling to pay that price.

          • MaineSox 3 years ago

            His contract should be a positive (to any team who can afford large contracts), not a negative, simply because he has the best contract of any of the other comparable players. They couldn’t go out and get another player as good as Gonzalez on as good a contract as Gonzalez.

            Paying $80k for a Veyron doesn’t work for me because I can’t afford it, but it’s a screaming deal to anyone who can.

          • BlueSkyLA 3 years ago

            So here’s a point of view we could discuss sensibly. My feeling is that the contract is on the bubble. Some teams could not take it on, just as you say, simply because they can’t afford it. This limits the market considerably. The other question in play is how the player would fit into any given team’s lineup. He’d slot right in for the Dodgers, probably not so much for another team at this particular moment. Both factors weigh towards the Dodgers valuing Gonzales more highly than other teams, and Boston has to know that. I think they’d have to offer one or two decent prospects, but not empty the farm system. So much depends on whether the BoSox are motivated, and I don’t we know anything about that.

          • MaineSox 3 years ago

            I don’t see any reason why the Red Sox would be motivated to move Gonzalez. To a team who can afford him (like Boston) he really is a relative bargain, and they aren’t going to get that kind of production for anything close to what they owe him (and there’s no one available to give anything like that kind of production anyway), so I really think, unless they can significantly improve positions of greater need (and live with less production out of 1B), they would prefer just to keep him.

          • BlueSkyLA 3 years ago

            Could be, but the teams do seem to be talking, which means the BoSox have some motivation or are at least interested enough to hear what the Dodgers have to offer. We aren’t hearing the instant “he’s going nowhere” response the Dodgers got from the Phillies when they claimed Cliff Lee, so that says something.

          • MaineSox 3 years ago

            Sure, I think Boston would be willing to listen on anyone at this point (after missing the playoffs for three straight years in a market like Boston, you have to be willing to look at all possible options), but I still think they would have to be pretty blown away by the return to move a guy like Gonzalez.

            Boston’s biggest need is pitching, and LA has a lot of pitching, so I don’t think a deal is impossible (and as much as I really like Gonzalez, I wouldn’t mind moving him in the right deal), but I think it would have to be in the offseason (too many guys Boston would want are on the 40 man roster), and I think LA would probably balk at the asking price.

          • BlueSkyLA 3 years ago

            Willingness to talk is step one, but step two is a long way from step one!

          • IdontknowwhyIpostonforums 3 years ago

            I agree with you on the lack of motivation for the Red Sox to move him. I mean, I don’t live in Boston, so I am not sure how hated he really is, but from the games I have seen, he is still one of the best 1B in the game.

            Additionally, I don’t see a match-up with the Dodgers. Who would the Sox want that the Dodgers would be willing to part with? All players must clear waivers so chances are there is very little that could change hands.

            Personally, I am ok with LA not getting AGon just because I would rather take a shorter deal for a guy like Morneau and spend that money on pursuing a top outfielder.

            EDIT: All players on the 40-man must clear.

          • MaineSox 3 years ago

            I know, that’s why I think a deal would have to be in the offseason, if it were to happen at all.

    • soxfan0928 3 years ago

      Here’s the conversation:

      Colletti: Hey, what do you want for Adrian Gonzalez?
      Cherrington: Clayton Kershaw.
      Colletti: *click*
      Cherrington: *Revokes Gonzalez*

  6. sdsuphilip 3 years ago

    Really it is a non story, Dodgers don’t have the prospects and Red Sox aren’t a money strapped team that will give his contract up without anything in return, they will pull him back.

    • Gumby65 3 years ago

      Which is exactly why they put him on waivers in the first place no doubt, just so they can be Lucy pulling the football back before Chuck can kick it.

    • Devern Hansack 3 years ago

      What if they agreed to absorb a good chunk of Crawford’s contract? He and Punto have already cleared waivers.

    • BVHjays 3 years ago

      I mean, you’re probably right.

      But with a team that reportedly is trying to cut back on mega-money contracts, this is a chance to rid themselves of an $130M commitment.

      Here’s a thought: Give them Gonzalez if they’ll take Crawford too. (Okay, that might be getting a bit crazy. It’s Friday. I’m tired.)

      • Crawford would have to clear waivers, someone would claim him just to destroy that deal. Edit: Guess he did clear. Nice research on my part

        • Jorden 3 years ago

          crawford already cleared waivers and can be dealt to anyone.

    • Ry.the_Stunner 3 years ago

      The Dodgers have NO need for Crawford. They have an outfield of Kemp, Ethier, and Victorino.

      • Victorino is a free agent after the season

        • belarde26 3 years ago

          Victorino already said he is going to talk about an extension soon or after the season. He wants to stay in LA.

          • Klaus D. 3 years ago

            Of course he did. He’s trying to make a good impression on his new team, city, etc. How often do players get traded to a new city and when asked if they want to stay by local media, say, “man, this place sucks. I’m outta here as soon as the season’s over”.

        • And CC is out until next year anyhow, so it would not crowd the outfield this year.

          • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

            no he’s not, the recovery for position players is not as long

          • YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

            He said he is OUT until next year, not out for all of next year. Unless he edited his post then he assumes he will start 2013 in shape, ready to go.

          • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

            he edited

          • No i did not.

          • MaineSox 3 years ago

            Edit: pretty much exactly what YFS78 said.

          • Lunchbox45 3 years ago

            original post was CC is gone for all of next year

          • Paul 3 years ago

            Yes he is. Read it again. He is out “until” net year, when Vicotino will (or could) be gone. So no overcrowding.

        • Jarrod Mitchell 3 years ago

          Crawford is out until at least the begging of next season as well. No thanks.

          • Floyd7070 3 years ago

            Yeah, he might be “begging” to play next season. LOL

          • GasLampGuru 3 years ago

            Crawford is having TJ surgery, which means he wont be able to throw a ball from the outfield at all for at least 12 months. Crawford would essentially need to DH in order to play at all next season.

          • Jason_F 3 years ago

            Incorrect. Pretty much everywhere you look, it mentions a six month recovery time frame from TJ surgery for position players. That puts him in line to be back in time for Spring Training.

          • MaineSox 3 years ago

            Position players generally start throwing programs at 5 months after TJ surgery, and can throw in game action after 6-7 months. It generally takes about a year for their arm strength to be back to 100%, but they can start throwing in half that time.

    • $17867741 3 years ago

      I wouldn’t call it a non-story. If Gonzalez is pulled back from the waivers, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Dodgers and Red Sox explore a deal in the off-season.

      Claiming someone on waivers is more of a precursor for the off-season.

      • sdsuphilip 3 years ago

        Actually it is not at all, the dodgers don’t have the players to get adrian whether it be in offseason or in season, nothing changes that.

        • MaineSox 3 years ago

          Well, in the offseason they could move players off of their major league roster to trade for him, but I don’t think they would trade the major leaguers it would take to get him, and I don’t think they have the prospects to do it, so it’s pretty much a moot point.

        • ThinkBlue10 3 years ago

          Do you know the Dodgers farm system well enough to say that? I think the Dodgers have the money and enough prospects to land him. Lee, Webster, and Pederson would be a good core of players to send to Boston.

          • sdsuphilip 3 years ago

            They can easily get more in the open market during the offseason.

  7. Chances of this are slim to none, and slim just left town.

    • redlake 3 years ago

      Well put, I agree……but thinking that he would look nice in our line-up…dream on.
      IF he came over I’ll bet he would catch fire, Boston is a horrible place to be right now.

    • johnsilver 3 years ago

      There is a old saying that fits well as to the chances.. better than all of my other posts and probably better than all the 2-300 that will end up being posted here:

      When pigs can fly.. That is the likelihood Gonzalez ends up in LA, or at least before the season ends…

      Edit:

      Maybe the Pig is being towed out to the landing strip??

      Edit #2
      Warming up engines now….

  8. bigpat 3 years ago

    Getting sick of the Red Sox waiver players the only ones making news, 99.99999999999% odds that he stays in Boston.

    • johnsilver 3 years ago

      You are? i am tired of the dolts here who think Boston should give away every person (Gonzalez here) just because they get the press and are on waivers.

      sometimes it IS better to be in a press starved town where the biggest thing going on is actual the normal folks going to work, struggles of reality etc.. Like Pittsburgh and KC, unlike in places like Boston, NY, LA, where they seem to have 5 writers for every real working ‘stiff” and the ones who cannot find a real story take mind altering materials and lay back..Then type away….

      • BVHjays 3 years ago

        Yeah! I don’t understand why more people don’t argue that the Rays need to shed all those huge contracts!

      • Odawg8 3 years ago

        …they should give Gonzalez away, his contract is going to be an albatross soon (if it isn’t already) and now a team is offering to take it off their hands and help them get under the luxury tax. I don’t think that they will do it, mostly because Cherington is scared to give off any impression of a rebuild whatsoever, but I think it would most likely be a good idea for them.

    • YanksFanSince78 3 years ago

      Well to be fair, this post is about who won the claim. About 4 or 5 other posts of claims were listed in the last day or two as well.

    • jeffmaz 3 years ago

      So you’re telling me there’s a chance?

  9. johnsilver 3 years ago

    Now it gets interesting..**IF** Boston decides they even want to move him.. LAD 1st off takes Beckett and pays him, then does LA have enough prospects to make it worthwhile for Boston to go into full blown rebuild mode?

    Heck.. Give ’em Salty also while they are at it….

    • Jorden 3 years ago

      beckett would most like veto a trade to LA.

      • Ben_Cherington 3 years ago

        Any evidence? He doesnt seem happy in Boston. He isnt going to the playoffs this year.

      • cp6208 3 years ago

        He cant block a trade to LA

        • Karkat 3 years ago

          Uhhh, 10-5 rights?

          • jwsox 3 years ago

            10-5 literally means 10 years in the MLB and 5 years on the same team. He does not have these rights.

          • Karkat 3 years ago

            I am well aware of what 10-5 right are. And Josh Beckett has about 10.5 years of MLB service time (over parts of 12 seasons) and has been with the Red Sox since 2006 (putting him in his 7th season). Unless I’m missing something, that gives him 10-5 rights.

          • cp6208 3 years ago

            Sorry i thought you were talking about a gon

          • Karkat 3 years ago

            I mean, the post you responded to was about Beckett so I assumed we were on the same page.

          • cp6208 3 years ago

            And that is why i apologized you see how that works?

          • jwsox 3 years ago

            Oh my bad I thought you were talking about Adrian.

    • Jamie Sayer 3 years ago

      That actually makes the most sense to me, if they could get LA to also take Beckett it could be worthwhile depending on the offer.

  10. $6101468 3 years ago

    A win-win situation for Boston. Maybe squeeze a prospect or two and shed a boat load of money.

    • Jason_F 3 years ago

      I think you’re ignoring a significant loss in that equation…the fact that you would be subtracting one of the best first baseman in the game from the on-field product.

  11. zonis 3 years ago

    Maybe the Dodgers can try to find the corpse of Adam Eaton in return for Gonzalez!

  12. bob-a-louie 3 years ago

    Gonzalez for Ethier?

  13. Do the Dodgers even have anything ‘franchise-changing’ to offer? Honestly, I’d rather keep him. He’s not the ‘dirt-dog’ everyone in Boston wants, but the guy can hit, he’s an above average defender, and hasn’t even reached his full potential. Arguably one of the top 5 all around hitters since the All-Star break.

    • Hoss 3 years ago

      Unless the red sox need pitching the dodgers don’t have anything to offer. They have pitching in abundance though. Zach Lee would be franchise altering.

      • Pitching is exactly what the Red Sox need. Starting pitching is their biggest issue, among many others.

      • stl_cards16 3 years ago

        Pretty much every system has a Zach Lee. Nice pitcher, not anywhere close to franchise altering.

      • johnsilver 3 years ago

        Boston has Barnes, Owens ranked above Lee and if you want to check out top SP prospects already at AA? Boston already has Workman + Britton, doing better than Lee and closer to helping the team.

        Barnes is a year, maybe a year and a half away. owens maybe 2-3. Britton and Workman 1-2 and they even have Hernandez at AAA who could be a back end SP and is just 23 and help out.

        Lee isn’t going to be any kind of core piece to any deal that would make any deal when Boston has more numerous SP prospects that have had better results and a couple are even ranked higher in various charts/polls coming out.

        it isn’t even beyond the realm to see Boston ask for a proven SP from the LAD current rotation and not one of the rubbish throwers either and just forget about the LAD prospects, plus take on Beckett as well.

        Boston still has the key here.. One of the highest $$$ per WAR producers over the last 3 years as Over the monster site said and this site linked to a couple of articles previously. No need at all to move him.

  14. ultimate913 3 years ago

    Tell them you’ll let them have A-Gon + contract for free as long as they also win claim to one of Beckett, Lackey or Crawford.

    • Earl Gendron 3 years ago

      How long was Lackey’s arm a problem…. the Sox put the “if the arm gets damaged, add another year at league minimum” into his contract for a reason. Who knows what he’ll be worth when he gets back, but that also drops his value luxury tax wise enough that its worth keeping him as a #3 vs how much we’d have to pay of his next two years

  15. If the Dodgers take Beckett as well, I couldn’t see why a deal can’t be done. The dodgers have no use for Crawford, especially after his latest injury. The Dodgers can offer a lot of prospects while absorbing those contracts. While absorbing them

  16. The Bsox cant expect a Tex type of deal. Offer Loney, Sands, Withrow, DeJesus, Guerra and whomever else.

    • the_show 3 years ago

      nobody wants James Loney

      • BlueSkyLA 3 years ago

        Not even James Loney.

        • IdontknowwhyIpostonforums 3 years ago

          Poor James, he has fallen so far. I was really hoping for the second coming of Mark Grace. Now, I wish we had Gracie at first.

          • BlueSkyLA 3 years ago

            So you are saying that Loney has fallen from Grace?

    • Sully65 3 years ago

      Keep Loney

    • harmony55 3 years ago

      Players on the Dodgers’ 40-man roster would need to clear waivers before they can be traded.

  17. VivaJackMurphy 3 years ago

    How the mighty have fallen.

    • Gumby65 3 years ago

      I have seen multiple posts where this massively overused phrase is applicable, this not being one of them.

      • VivaJackMurphy 3 years ago

        Well, you tell me partner: This is a guy who has hit 10 and 8 home runs in two seasons at Fenway after hitting 11, 12 and 14 in Petco the prior 3 years in a far worse line-up, who signed a mega-deal after being traded for top prospects after moping his way through a few good seasons as a Padre. He was part of what was supposed to be the greatest team EVAR in Boston and now not even two years later he’s waiver wire bait. So you explain to me how it’s not applicable.

  18. TigerFan1968 3 years ago

    His power is declining. Let the Dodgers take all the risk for another overpaid first baseman. If he can barely hit 20 HR in Boston this is a blessing for the Red Sox. The Dodgers are intent on outspending the Angels which is hard to do but I say let them try.

  19. APNDaveR 3 years ago

    In reality, “transformative trade” = if you give us Matt Kemp and Clayton Kershaw, maybe we’ll talk. And I just don’t see that happening at all.

    Edit: given the downvotes, I think I need to clarify this. I’m not saying that the Dodgers should entertain a Kemp/Kershaw deal for Gonzalez. They should hang up the phone, and check caller ID to see who’s been pranking them if that’s suggested.

    I’m saying that Cherington made clear what terms the Sox would be accepting in a deal for Gonzalez: a “transformative” trade. Which means “we become MUCH better as a result of the trade”. Given that Gonzalez, as unpopular here in Boston as he may be right now, is still a lock to hit in the .275-.285 range with good to excellent power, and given that the Red Sox have precisely no one in the pipeline who’s a MLB-level power hitting 1B, that means the Sox are going to want to replace the offense AND improve in some other department. Given the Dodgers’ current assets, that means matching up with the Red Sox would mean either gutting their MLB-caliber minor league talent pool (such as it is) or giving up A-level assets at the MLB level, e.g. a Matt Kemp.

    And as I noted below, there’s precisely zero need or incentive for the Dodgers to do that, as Gonzalez is not going to be an accretive addition to their talent pool after you subtract what the Red Sox have indicated they’ll be seeking. Which is why this isn’t going anywhere right now.

    In the offseason, when the Red Sox may have identified other offensive targets in trade or free agency to replace Gonzalez’s offense, we MIGHT see them revisit a deal with the Dodgers for one or two of the Dodgers’ young pitchers, trading current production for equivalent future production in a different position. But I strongly, strongly doubt anything’s going to happen now.

    • BlueSkyLA 3 years ago

      Probably because it’s a totally ludicrous suggestion.

      • APNDaveR 3 years ago

        Exactly. There’s absolutely no pressing need for the Dodgers to overpay and give the Red Sox what they’re going to demand for Gonzalez, and no pressing need for the Red Sox to take pennies on the dollar in a salary dump, as he’s still a valuable offensive asset. This is a non-starter.

        • BlueSkyLA 3 years ago

          My guess, based on the contract, is that Gonzales would not fetch a huge haul of prospects for any team willing to take on all of the money.

    • BlueSkyLA 3 years ago

      I appreciate the effort to clarify your original argument, but I honestly don’t think it helps a great deal in making the argument. Gonzales’ value has to be measured against the amount of dollars owed to him. He signed a premium player contract both in terms of dollars and years. Those contracts are inherently risky, and the questions on the floor should also be whether he’s playing up to his salary now and is he expected to do so in the future. If the answer isn’t yes to both questions, then nobody should seriously expect the Dodgers or any other team to give away the store AND take over the contract. The other problem with your suggestion that doesn’t get address by your clarification is, the Dodgers are simply not going to make any deal that is just a wash for them. They are not trading any centerpiece players if only because that would weaken the team just as much as it strengthens it.

      • APNDaveR 3 years ago

        I think we’re in total agreement, but are just talking around each other. My point, such as it is, is that there’s no conceivable trade between the Sox and the Dodgers involving Gonzales that makes any sense at all right now, given that the Sox have drawn a line in the sand with respect to what they’d accept in trade. I think you’re saying the same thing, no?

        • BlueSkyLA 3 years ago

          Maybe, but I wasn’t aware of any lines in the sand. It should be obvious that trading a player of the caliber of Kemp or Kershaw is logical non-starter. The Dodgers make a move of this kind now only if it strengthens the team for the pennant race. If the BoSox ask for anything more than a couple of good prospects and/or some leftover pieces then they are talking to themselves.

          • APNDaveR 3 years ago

            The line on the sand is the “transformative trade” comment. That’s a clear signal that they’re not in salary dump mode. To me, it’s clearly front office speak for “you’re going to need to impress us with your offer”, which the Dodgers are unlikely to do.

            I’ll admit that I’m not factoring off-field issues into this. For all I know, Larry Lucchino hates Adrian personally and would command Cherington to send him to LA for five Dodger Dogs (grilled) and a Rick Monday rookie card. Or, the team may have made an internal decision that Gonzales — who is, shall we say, a bit laid back in his approach to baseball — isn’t a good chemistry fit with their desired team makeup.

            But from my perspective, the waiver listing was done to see if any pennant contenders other than the Dodgers (whose interest was already a matter of record) would overpay for AGon right now. There weren’t any bites, so I’m guessing they pull him back and talk to LA in the offseason, as there’s clearly some level of interest there.

          • BlueSkyLA 3 years ago

            Could be, but just to be clear, the BoSox don’t get nothing for Gonzales, even if it’s just a couple of warm bodies, if another team picks up the $130m check. That might not be a lot of money in Boston, but nearly everywhere else it isn’t chump change.

          • APNDaveR 3 years ago

            Well, it appears we both overlooked the Nick Punto factor. Once he’s involved, all bets are off….

  20. Randolph_Knackstedt 3 years ago

    Just because you put together a super team on paper, that doesn’t mean it will translate into wins.

  21. chris_synan1 3 years ago

    Ya, the Red Sox are gonna ask for too much which will make this not happen….

  22. Don Robinson 3 years ago

    I will follow the Dodgers for the balance of this year

  23. flickadave 3 years ago

    Get whatever you can from LA and just let him go. Chalk it up to yet another Theo failure and move on. If they would take Beckett and his bloated contract, that would be great. If not, just give him to them. A guy who puts up AGon’s numbers in the hitter’s parks in the AL East doesn’t warrant taking up $20 million plus of your payroll.

  24. Don Robinson 3 years ago

    I will get my old PeeWee Reese Glove out. Last used in the 50s. Used to be my favourite team until they moved. Sox are closer to home here in NS,,

  25. Don Robinson 3 years ago

    The Red Sox in MHO have problems from top to bottom. The Owners cannot be moved. So let’s get rid of the deadwood. Pawtucket Boston is calling. Bobby who?

  26. DJKuulA 3 years ago

    Really, Red Sox? Really?

  27. RedSx799 3 years ago

    He’s not going anywhere right now, and I don’t see him being traded this offseason. Has he struggled at times? yes. but the idea that this guy isn’t a winning ball player is a joke. He provides gold glove caliber defense, a .300 average, and 20+ home runs a year. Is he worth $20MM? no! but none of these ballplayers are worth what they’re paid.

  28. Guest 3 years ago

    This deal WILL get done.

  29. ugotrpk3113 3 years ago

    First and foremost – I don’t see anything happening.

    However: The Red Sox have been tied to Either for, it feels like, years. Maybe a deal COULD (not likely) be explored centering Lee, Either, Sands, and something else. Who knows, really. I doubt it happens ultimately.

    **EDIT**: The deal would obvious require some financial services to the Dodgers, I’d think.

    • MaineSox 3 years ago

      I’ve never bought into the Ethier talk. It always comes from the Boston media, and is never tied to actual talk within the organization, it’s always been about him being friends with Pedroia, which means basically nothing.

  30. Jose Villasano 3 years ago

    i think dodgers could make this deal done because he is from San Diego and dodgers could afford him and red sox want pitching and who other than the dodgers to make a deal

  31. ugotrpk3113 3 years ago

    I will be SHOCKED if Gonzo is actually traded. The players coming back have to clear trade waivers also correct? That means they wouldn’t get back a bullpen arm or Eithier. Is Lee/Sands/Other prospects enough? Are they on the 40 man?

    • MaineSox 3 years ago

      They only have to clear waivers if they are on the 40 man roster.

      • ugotrpk3113 3 years ago

        Well Sands is on the 40. Lee isn’t. I pray this isn’t a glorified salary dump..

        • MaineSox 3 years ago

          My guess is Gonzalez doesn’t get traded, and even if he is traded it’s far more likely to happen in the offseason (because they wouldn’t have to worry about getting other players through waivers, and would be able to move guys off of their roster who would never make it through waivers).

  32. dc21892 3 years ago

    This is insane. If he gets traded I’ll be very upset. I don’t think it will, but this just isn’t the solution to the problem.

  33. camerondatzker 3 years ago

    The Dodgers would have to give them a package of Pitcher Zach Lee, 1st Baseman-Outfielder Jerry Sands, Reliever Javy Guerra, Shortstop Dee Gordan, 1st Baseman James Loney, all for Adrian Gonzalez.

    • ugotrpk3113 3 years ago

      Loney? Gordon?

      No Thanks.

    • MaineSox 3 years ago

      Boston wouldn’t have any real interest in Loney or Gordon, and Sands and Guerra (and Loney) would have to pass through waivers to be traded right now.

  34. Jeff King 3 years ago

    If this actually did happen, what would be the closest comparable trade of a player of this quality after the July 31 deadline? I can think of the quirky Jose Canseco to the Yankees move (obviously Canseco not even close to A-Gon, but in the “out of nowhere factor”) … I don’t think this will happen – of the 4 “expensive Theo” moves (Beckett, Lackey, A-Gon, Crawford) this is probably the guy they’d least like to lose.

  35. why do the teams place player on wiver and them dont trade them i just dont undestand

    • rainyperez 3 years ago

      Don’t think this has been said enough. But they do this to gauge interest or literally dump a salary on a team. Or they get lucky and the team that claimed the player gives a big return.

  36. davengmusic 3 years ago

    Randy Myers is pleased…

  37. withpower 3 years ago

    I’m reading they are talking a blockbuster now with Crawford involved. Sox have to taking back contracts if all that dead weight is heading to LA… right?

  38. Paul Shailor 3 years ago

    Is it bad I can see the Sox doing the deal then in 4 months signing hamilton to a massive Crawford like contract in order to make their fanbase “happy”?

  39. the_show 3 years ago

    Boy or boy it would be foolish if the Dodgers take on a lot of the Crawford contract

  40. Jason_F 3 years ago

    Take the time to read the article…

  41. stl_cards16 3 years ago

    Nick Swisher could provide adequate production at 1B.

  42. the_show 3 years ago

    Swisher originally was a first baseman when he came up with Oakland he was converting to the outfield by the White Sox

  43. Odawg8 3 years ago

    you could say the exact same thing about A-Gon, but he is owed a whole lot more money

  44. LiveFastCyYoung 3 years ago

    That trade happened July 25th.

  45. MaineSox 3 years ago

    Gonzalez is actually good though, and is a bargain relative to comparable players.

  46. MaineSox 3 years ago

    If Gonzalez doesn’t/didn’t want to play for Boston, why did he sign a below market deal to stay?

    I know how you think the process should work though; you want a player really really bad because he’s awesome, but he kinda sucks, and Boston should give him away for retreads and non-prospects who are actually really really good (no really, they are, promise).

  47. Odawg8 3 years ago

    How is he a bargain? His contract is closer to an albatross than a bargain, and certainly will become one by the end of his deal.

  48. MaineSox 3 years ago

    Nonsense. Gonzalez is significantly cheaper than guys like Teixeira, Pujols, Votto, Fielder, and Howard (as much as $100M cheaper than some of them), gives similar production (better production than a couple of those guys), and is only signed until he is 36 (rather than into his 40s like pretty much all of those other guys). Gonzalez’s contract is easily the best contract out of any of the top first basemen; it’s not really even close.

  49. MaineSox 3 years ago

    Adding Beckett to the mix changes things because his value is really low right now, and he’s more of a salary dump (if LA is taking on his contract he actually takes value away from the deal), but I still think there is a more significant return than guys like Loney and Gordon (neither of whom are worth much of anything at this point).

  50. Odawg8 3 years ago

    Who is he playing better than? Howard, who is ridiculously overpaid and should be used as a comp to anyone and, regardless, is getting paid less, not “significantly more”, and was injured for most of the season, and??? He’s also trending downward fast, as his power numbers have dropped (first year since rookie season with ISO under .200, hasn’t hit over 30 homers since leaving Petco, which is the opposite of what you would expact, and has actually had less homers for every season for the last 4 years if you include this year, as it is extremely unlikely he’ll hit 12 more this year alone) and he isn’t hitting for as high of an average, probably because he isn’t benefitting from a ridiculous BABIP like last year. He’s still a good player, but certainly not a $22MM a year player.

  51. MaineSox 3 years ago

    First of all, he’s not “trending downward,” last year was the best year of his career.

    Second of all, he’s with 0.5 WAR of everyone else on that list other than Votto.

    And third, it’s foolish to look at less than a full season’s sample and say that that is who a player is, generally you want at least three year’s sample size, and over the last three years Gonzalez is only behind Votto and Pujols (both of whom make ~$100M more than him and are under contract into their 40s).

  52. MaineSox 3 years ago

    There is a ton of space between star players and what you (and Cameron) have suggested for players; it’s not either-or. And if it were Gonzalez alone (not with Beckett as part of the deal), they would have to get a star player (or star in the making) to be convinced to part with him (same with Lester or Ellsbury if you’re still referring to the other thread).

  53. cdlewey 3 years ago

    “i like Mike Cameron… he was no Griffey”

    Actually, over the course of time Cameron played for the M’s and Griffey played for the Reds, Cameron was by far more valuable a player.

  54. Odawg8 3 years ago

    Gonzalez recieves a big boost in WAR from his D. While I do agree he is outstanding defender, I believe many would agree with that defense is overrated by WAR, and defensive are somewhat questionable at times. He is performing worse than any of the rest of them except Howard with his D added on (according to WAR) and significantly worse than any of them offensively.

  55. MaineSox 3 years ago

    Right, sooo, they are getting prospects and salary relief, I don’t see how that proves your point at all. It was a given that they were going to get prospects (guys on the 40 man roster can’t be traded without clearing waivers first), and depending on the prospects it could be a massive return still.

  56. MaineSox 3 years ago

    This year yes, but again, you can’t just look at one partial season and say that that is who a player is and that is what his value is based one; over the last three years he’s also better than both Howard and Teixeira offensively, and close enough to Fielder offensively that the difference in defense really would make him a better overall player even if you think WAR over values defense.

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