Rosenthal On Indians, Tracy, Haren, Farrell

Here's a look at the latest Full Count from Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports..

  • The Indians plans to entertain trade offers for Shin-Soo Choo, Justin Masterson, and others won't change if they hire Terry Francona as manager.  The Tribe doesn't have to shed payroll and their commitments for 2013 are minimal.  The idea of acquiring additional young talent would make sense anyway as Francona helped develop several young stars in Boston.  It's just another reason as to why Tito would almost certainly get a long-term contract.
  • There's only a 50/50 chance that Jim Tracy will return as the Rockies skipper, despite his "handshake agreement" for 2013.  With the Rockies' plan to hire Mark Wiley as the pitching coordinator, it may serve them to also get a pitching-minded manager.
  • The Angels much decide whether to exercise club options on Dan Haren ($15.5MM) and Ervin Santana ($13MM).  The Halos could decline both and make qualifying offers to both hurlers, putting them in position to potentially rake in draft pick compensation.  It would be something of a gamble to risk having one or both back one a one-year, ~$13MM deal, but neither pitcher would be overly tough to trade on a one-year pact.
  • Omar Vizquel's critical comments of John Farrell have shed light on what has become a tough situation in Toronto.  Farrell could be even more open to parting ways with the club and the Blue Jays might be on the same wavelength.  Rosenthal opines that the only thing left to sort out might be the club's compensation deal with the Red Sox.


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32 Comments on "Rosenthal On Indians, Tracy, Haren, Farrell"


2 years 10 months ago

These Farrell talks never die…

Paul Shailor
2 years 10 months ago

I never understood the appeal of Farrell as a manager. Yea he was a good pitching coach for the Red Sox but his managerial career is less than stellar, I dont know why they are so insistent on getting him. He isnt Joe Girardi who won manager of the year, this is a guy with 2 years experience and not much to show for it.

LukeNalooshe
2 years 10 months ago

Joe Girardi managing the Yankees is like getting a key to Ferrari that has keyless entry. Any semi-qualified minor league manager could put Jeter at SS, Cano at 2, A-Rod at 3B, Tex at 1B, Gardner in LF, Granderson and Swisher playing CF/RF. he doesn’t deserve praise for doing what 100% of the baseball community would do.

Paul Shailor
2 years 10 months ago

I was referencing what he did with the Marlins. He got a team with a 16mm payroll to over .500, that got him rewarded with the job with the Yankees. Farrell has done nothing of the sort.

LukeNalooshe
2 years 10 months ago

I think John Farrell’s managerial success is contingent on the players he’s managing being healthy and productive, and lately the Blue Jays haven’t been either. I don’t think Farrell’s reputation should be slighted because of a lack of productivity is my point.

Paul Shailor
2 years 10 months ago

I mean he didnt have much success last year, not saying he is a terirble manager just saying what has he proven as a manager? That really is my only question what has he done to earn a manager gig of arguably one of the most storied franchises in the sport. I am just saying he hasnt proven enough.

MLBen
2 years 10 months ago

In my opinion, no one would touch Santana for over 13.5m if they had to give up a draft pick (45-42, 4.19 ERA, 1.30 WHIP since 2009, but obviously he has the ability to be better than that)

I think offering Haren a qualifying offer would be a good deal though (whether he takes it or not)

John
2 years 10 months ago

In order to offer Haren a qualifying offer the Angels would have to pay the $3.5M buyout and then offer $13M+… that would be more than the $15.M option. The same is true with Santana, except the option is $13M with a $1M buyout. Either way the Angels would be offering more than the option on both of them.

What makes more sense to me is to pick up both options, sign Greinke, and then shop Haren and/or Santana. Everyone is looking for pitching and the Angels should get a good return.

MLBen
2 years 10 months ago

For Haren, I meant that I think someone would sign him, and then the Angels would get a draft pick, but if no one did, I think it would have been worth the risk, although yes, they would end up paying more.

Although I agree that if they both have bounce back years, the trades would yield a higher payoff, although, it should be considered, that by signing them, you would have to wait till 2-4 months into the season (for teams to start getting desperate and wanting to trade), and by then, you would have likely payed them a combined 10-19 million dollars (depending on when they get traded)
So, if the Angels have any financial concerns or if they have concerns that they won’t have bounce back years, that might not be the route to go. (although obviously making Haren a qualifying offer would also cost them 16+ million IF he were to accept)

I’m curious to see what they do.

vinh
2 years 10 months ago

we shouldn’t offer Contract to Santana or Haren! We need to lock up Grienke first!

2 years 10 months ago

Red Sox compesation to Toronto for Farrell would be simple. Farrell has one year left on his contract , So does Valentine just swap the two.

Roll Fizzlebeef
2 years 10 months ago

You couldn’t pay any team in baseball enough money to dispose of the toxic nature that is Valentine. However, you might get a good deal from the nuclear waste disposal guys. They love tough jobs like this.

withpower
2 years 10 months ago

Indians have their work cut out for them. Flexibility is nice, but I’m not really sure where to even begin with that team.

Greg David
2 years 10 months ago

Start with the GM! Antonetti has been THE number one problem for two years now, a complete and utter failure. If that doesn’t change the Indians will be in the same position this time next year regardless of who they hire as manager.

mrsjohnmiltonrocks
2 years 10 months ago

I agree with you! Antonetti has been a complete failure. I’d look for a new scouting director too. They have missed on too many players.

Robert Slaney
2 years 10 months ago

must be resolved immediately for Sox or they must go in different direction

discollama
2 years 10 months ago

Usually you guys are fantastic at referencing your sources, but what were the critical comments made by Vizquel about Farrell? Is there a link to them some where?

mstrchef
2 years 10 months ago

I was looking for them as well. Sounds like it would be an interesting read.

Found them on foxsports dot com, along with Farrell’s rebuttal.

soxfan0928
2 years 10 months ago

Why would the Sox offer anything for Farrell when he’s under so much criticism in Toronto?? If it’s gotten to this point where the Jays and Farrell both want to part ways, why would the Sox trade anything? Just wait until he’s fired.

Paul Shailor
2 years 10 months ago

BEcause they are probably orchestrating the slander against him lol

2 years 10 months ago

The Indians should have traded Masterson last year. I remember Texas offering Profar and another prospect for him last year, but now Cleveland would be lucky to get a couple B-level prospects for him after his bad year.

johnsilver
2 years 10 months ago

“The Indians plans to entertain trade offers for Shin-Soo Choo, Justin Masterson, and others”

Compete or not.. I would rather Boston check out the cost of masterson before attempting to sign Anibal Sanchez this off season and I also like Sanchez. Especially if they get Farrell back from Toronto and can get his angle of delivery adjusted “sideways” just a little bit more than it currently is, but not as drastic as it once was.

Also have a feeling another guy name of Epstein will be checking into Masterson (if he has the pieces) and Duquette in Baltimore, regardless of how far they go, will be looking at him. Hard to find a talent like Masterson on the availability list and fans from Cleveland seem to be ready to move him.. Let’s just hope their FO feels the same way now.

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start_wearing_purple
2 years 10 months ago

I’d be shocked if the Indians didn’t demand a virtually unreasonable package for Masterson. Which means any package for Masterson would start with Bogaerts, Barmes, or Bradley. Frankly, I’d rather the Sox roll the dice on all 3 unless they get back someone who is, well more guaranteed.

johnsilver
2 years 10 months ago

I agree he isn’t worth any of those 3 alone even, but worth asking about anyway before the team thinks about looking at Sanchez.

Scott Brewer
2 years 10 months ago

exercise both options and deal both players

Braves get Ervin Santana
Angels get Brian McCann

Royals get Dan Haren
Angels get Joakim Soria, Tim Collins, Mike Montgomery, Irving Falu

Boom!

cookmeister
2 years 10 months ago

why would the braves do that?

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start_wearing_purple
2 years 10 months ago

Dipoto has compromising pictures of Wren and is hoping Wren believes McCann’s off year is what to expect from here on out?

John
2 years 10 months ago

I agree with your premise but the players involved are unrealistic.

MLBen
2 years 10 months ago

I think that the Braves have enough pitching, if they were to trade for another, it would be probably be for a solid and consistent pitcher (in my opinion).

As for McCann… it’s going to be tough for the Braves to keep him. They definitely need a catcher; Christian Bethancourt doesn’t appear close to ready to take over (if ever). Giving an aging catcher 3-5 years at 13-16 per year is a risky investment.

And I don’t think the Royals would give up that much for Haren unless he starts next year very strong… and even then.

Although, they do need pitching, and Soria is expendable, and Montgomery did have an awful year, so it’s possible. I’m not sure what the Royals think of him at this point

jed_hoyer
2 years 10 months ago

red sox should just look for somebody that isn’t under contract. guess they didn’t learn their lesson from the cubs.

sebalion
2 years 10 months ago

fat chance we give up Pedroia!……

notsureifsrs
2 years 10 months ago

you tell him!……