Mets Discussing R.A. Dickey In Trades

1:25pm: Alderson acknowledged the trade talks and said he doesn't expect them to accelerate during the GM Meetings according to Martino, who heard from other executives that talks are just preliminary (Twitter link). Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com reports (on Twitter) that the Mets seek outfield and catcher help in a deal. They still haven't ruled out an extension either.

11:51am: Andy Martino of The New York Daily News says there is still "healthy internal debate" about Dickey within the organization and that nothing is final (Twitter links). They could look to act quickly if progress towards a contract extension is made, however.

11:34am: The Mets are showing little interest in signing R.A. Dickey to an extension and are discussing the knuckleballer in trades, reports Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (on Twitter). Earlier this morning Joel Sherman of The New York Post reported that there is still a significant gap in contract talks, so the team started to gauge trade interest.

Dickey, 38, is a finalist for the Cy Young Award after pitching to a 2.73 ERA this season. He led the NL in starts (33), innings (233 2/3), and strikeouts (230) while winning 20 games. The Mets exercised Dickey's club option after the season, so he'll earn $5MM next season before qualifying for free agency. Zack Greinke is the only ace-caliber pitcher on the free agent market, so GM Sandy Alderson has some leverage in trade talks even though Dickey is only under contract for one more year.


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131 Comments on "Mets Discussing R.A. Dickey In Trades"


EarlyMorningBoxscore
2 years 9 months ago

My only concern about trading for Dickey would be trading the farm for someone who is 37-38 years old. I know knuckleballers pitch forever, but realistically how many good years can he have left?

chicothekid
2 years 9 months ago

Realistically, he could have 5 or more. Nobody knows. He throws differently and his arm is different than everyone else’s. His case really is a precedent, because in the history of knucklers, there’s never been anything like this.

Greg Weaver
2 years 9 months ago

terrible move by the mets…they need pitching and they are debating trading a great starting piece away?

Thomas Wilson
2 years 9 months ago

they aren’t jumping the Nats, Braves, Phils, and Marlins to compete this year why not get good value for Dickey?

Stephen Schmidt
2 years 9 months ago

They aren’t jumping the Marlins period, as they already finished above them in 2012

stl_cards16
2 years 9 months ago

Dickey is 38 years old. I don’t care that he throws a knuckleball. This is absolutely the right move for a rebuilding team.

rikersbeard
2 years 9 months ago

“diehardmets” post is the right response to this. An ace is important, but when the rest of the roster is weak, then you are better off with the prospects.

mikefichera
2 years 9 months ago

Tell that to the two time world series champion Giants, with their All-Star ridden roster. Not.

iheartyourfart
2 years 9 months ago

i heard posey, cabrera, and sandoval were pretty good hitters but fangraphs is down so i can’t make sure

mikefichera
2 years 9 months ago

I also heard David Wright, Ike Davis, and Ruben Tejada are pretty good hitters too. The differences between the Giants and the Mets were Angel Pagan and a Bullpen. Ironically one of those players was traded from the Mets in order to full some holes we had, worked out brilliantly…for the Giants.

cookmeister
2 years 9 months ago

comparing Ike Davis and Tejada’s hitting ability to Cabrera and Sandoval is a big stretch. Mets and Giants are so different on many levels. Giants are better in basically every category. Point is, Mets are ways away from jumping over Nats, Braves, and maybe even the Phillies. You just can’t keep a 38 y/o around when you can make your organization better

rikersbeard
2 years 9 months ago

wow. did you watch the season?

MetsEventually
2 years 9 months ago

I heard Cabrera was juicing too…derf

jjs91
2 years 9 months ago

They also need a better offense and a better bp.

jwsox
2 years 9 months ago

Terrible move why? It’s probably a smarter move to sell high on a 37 year old with one great year and 2 good ones in his entire career. Yes his story is awesome but at the same time it’s a knuckle baller there is no guarantee that, that pitch will be just as effective next season. There is a reason knuckle ballers don’t have long great careers. The pitch is uncontrollable and there is to much that goes into having a kber on the staff( a specific catcher or special training for your every day catcher) sell high on him get 2-3 really good prospects and rebuild.

Stephen Schmidt
2 years 9 months ago

Seriously? The only place the system is really stocked is in the starting pitching department. Between Harvey, Neise, Gee, and Wheeler the Mets seem to have at least four useful starters already.

carlos
2 years 9 months ago

Ned Colletti “one last call to have my prospects laughed at”

Walter Partlo
2 years 9 months ago

Dickey for Porcello, straight up. Trollololol.

diehardmets
2 years 9 months ago

Though it will be painful to see him go, this would be the right move for sure. The rest of the team is atrocious, and they need the prospects to rebuild.

Murderers' Row Boat
2 years 9 months ago

This just means he wants a big contract. I’m sure if he was looking for a 2yr/20m deal there wouldn’t be any trade talk.

Joe Valenti
2 years 9 months ago

or it means the Mets are low balling him with no intentions of signing him considering they probably won’t contend while RA Dickey is productive

mikefichera
2 years 9 months ago

If the Mets won’t contend in the next three years then sell the franchise.

Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
2 years 9 months ago

Now this could be an idea that Duquette might support and I would be in total favor!
Alas, though who would the Orioles trade?

cubfan4life
2 years 9 months ago

ill ask an Os fan. I thought Greinke would be a good fit in Baltimore. Not a huge market. Baltimore has been willing to pay for guys before. would you want greinke on the Os?

Matt_P102
2 years 9 months ago

Os have said they won’t sign an FA pitcher for more than 3 years. Possible they go four but not enough to get Greinke.

jjs91
2 years 9 months ago

It be fair to start with schoop a guy who isnt a top 100 prospect but has talent. Maybe add Delmonico and an outfield prospect as well. I dont think they will get a top 100 pitching prospect for a 38 yr old with a one yr deal.

Baseball Lifer
2 years 9 months ago

With Dickeys salary this year being so cheap (5 mil) there is not a team in baseball that would not give 3 players, who are all outiside the top 100 prospect rankings in exchange for Dickey. You have to give up something to get something. Given that Dickey will be with his new team (if traded) for the entire year, he should at least better the packahe the Brewers got in the Grienke deal. Not to mention if he is traded now, his new team can get a draft pick following the 2013 if Dickey chooses to sign elsewhere.

chicothekid
2 years 9 months ago

Really? This is the rationale that kept the Orioles in the AL East basement for a hundred years. Think about it! He is signed on a 1 year deal. A qualifying offer can be made by his new team and they will gain a draft pick if he leaves. Do you think THAT is worth something? How about 1 year of a Cy Young Award winner? How about BOTH?

jjs91
2 years 9 months ago

“This is the rationale that kept the Orioles in the AL East basement for a hundred years.” No it isnt, the guys 38 and even if he was an ace the O’s dont even become the favorites in the division with him. Either one of their 2 top prospects will be more valuable than trading for one yr of dickey. That’s true even if you factor in the supplemental round pick. Dont you think the Giants regret trading for beltran?

Timothy Tappin
2 years 9 months ago

They could get a young pitching prospect back, to go along with Wheeler and Harvey. I really think its a really good idea to explore and see what teams will offer.

rikersbeard
2 years 9 months ago

ya, if they could get a blue chip pitching prospect in AA or higher, then they would have set themselves up nicely for the future.

FS54
2 years 9 months ago

for one year of Dickey? I doubt it.

blueshirts26
2 years 9 months ago

We got one for half a season of Beltran…

FS54
2 years 9 months ago

true that but I thought that was a mistake on Giants part.

jjs91
2 years 9 months ago

Smart move they need to rebuild around safer options, they’re a few years from competing.

mikefichera
2 years 9 months ago

If they are a few years away from competing then trade david wright.

Austin
2 years 9 months ago

Trade a one hit wonder 38 year old for some good prospects. Good job mets

rikersbeard
2 years 9 months ago

It is unclear yet whether he will be a one hit wonder. There are reasons to think that his success is somewhat sustainable. It is not like diminishing velocity with age is a problem.

Austin
2 years 9 months ago

The fact that it took him until the age of 38 for people to know his name could be a problem

Baseball Lifer
2 years 9 months ago

Or that could be when Dickey mastered the knuckleball….

baseball52
2 years 9 months ago

Judging talent based on common fans’ knowledge of their name. Good theory.

cubfan4life
2 years 9 months ago

one hit wonder or not he is still 38. By the time the Mets can turn things around and be competing for the playoffs he will be at least 40. May as well bite the bullet and deal him when his stock is at its highest.

just thinking out loud…what if Greinke signs somewhere else…what would the Angels give up for dickey?

HobokenMetsFan
2 years 9 months ago

look at his stats for 2010 and 2011, i dont think they qualify as “one hit wonder”

greggofboken
2 years 9 months ago

I agree. I think it’d be shrewd to move him at peak value, though. And am also hoping you made out alright in last week’s events. Tough time for the mile square. Thought I’d take the opportunity for a shout-out.

HobokenMetsFan
2 years 9 months ago

Hey Gregg, hope you made out alright as well. We just got power back on monday and was actually flooded in until late Weds night. Luckily no damage, but my block and the surrounding neighborhoods got slammed.

greggofboken
2 years 9 months ago

Same deal here to the day. Heat yesterday finally. Folks belongings still piled high in the street. I’m glad you’re okay. Nice to have the baseball distraction. I’m in town for 28 years now and it was heartbreaking to see the place and the people take such a punch.

HobokenMetsFan
2 years 9 months ago

I agree, its been a completely surreal week and a half. Glad to hear you’re doing alright as well and hopefully town gets put back together soon.

Loody
2 years 9 months ago

He isn’t a one year wonder. Do your homework before posting comments.

Austin
2 years 9 months ago

I said one hit wonder, not one year.

Loody
2 years 9 months ago

Alright even I have to admit you just made me laugh… don’t know if that was your intention. ONE HIT wonder as in his two one hitters. Cute, very well done sir, if intentional.

Austin
2 years 9 months ago

You get what I meant. His name was only really heard this season. Now that he is at his peak, it’s a great time to trade him.

Loody
2 years 9 months ago

Yes, if you meant he became a household name throughout all of MLB, then yes 2012 was technically his breakout year. 2010 and 2011 I would say that he was a household name to fans in the NL East.

jwsox
2 years 9 months ago

2 good and 1 great year is not a good sign for a guy who is closer to 40 than 30

Loody
2 years 9 months ago

Chewie, it was 2 VERY good years and 1 great year. Again, please look at the stats and go beyond wins and losses. ::Shaking head::

Loody
2 years 9 months ago

Yes, knuckleballer or not, his age hurts in trade negotiations. The Mets will still probably get 2 very, very good prospects/cheap MLB talent in return. Possibly three depending on how many teams are interested (will probably be most teams in the league).

Gumby65
2 years 9 months ago

Um, historically for his type he probably can be effective through age 44-45.

Stephen Schmidt
2 years 9 months ago

I don’t know if there is really a fair historical comparison to Dickey. Yes, he’s a knuckleballer. He’s possibly the only knuckleballer ever for whom velocity is important though. Tough pitcher to project.

BlueSkyLA
BlueSkyLA
2 years 9 months ago

In theory, because the pitch is relatively easy on the arm, but with a knuckleballer even a crack in a fingernail is a disabling injury. It’s less about his age than the pitch he lives by. Reading Jim Bouton, I came away with the idea that this pitch is as maddening for the pitcher to control as it can be for batters to hit. It’s hard for the player to know why it works some days and not others.

dieharddodgerfan
2 years 9 months ago

How ridiculous would it be for Dickey to win the Cy Young and then end up traded?!

Phillies_Aces35
2 years 9 months ago

I don’t understand why they wouldn’t trade him. They’re not a piece or two a way, they still have some significant work to do on their roster.

seldomused
2 years 9 months ago

Completely true. It’s not like Dickey is 28 years old…he’s 38. They have no business giving a 38 year old 4-5 years. Trade him off for a prospect near the majors or a package of lower level guys. Pitchers like him even at 38 will bring in some players.

Joveoak
2 years 9 months ago

Knuckleballers age differently. Even though he’s 38, his value is that of a 28.

delashmit
2 years 9 months ago

R. A. Dickey is 38 but he is a knuckleball pitcher, They can last a long time (see Phil Niekro, Charlie Hough, etc.). Dickey may pitch until he is 45.

MetsEventually
2 years 9 months ago

It’s about bringing fans to the games. We want to see this guy pitch. I’m on the side of trading him, being that you can get something incredible for him at this point.

Loody
2 years 9 months ago

Kansas City? A package that includes… I have no idea. Don’t think KC will give up Starling (who I assume the Mets would want) but perhaps they would buy low on a Mike Montgomery/Tim Collins package? Obviously they are looking for offensive players, but it also wouldn’t surprise me to see them get back pitching.

Karkat
2 years 9 months ago

KC shouldn’t be acquiring 38 year olds right now

Loody
2 years 9 months ago

KC is looking for starting pitching and is loaded with young talent. After seeing what the Athletics and Orioles this year, there is no reason to think the Royals couldn’t do that next year with all the young talent they already have especially in that division. It also puts fans in the seats and you know, makes them a better team. Regardless of his age, they would be acquiring potentially the National League Cy Young Winner for the previous year.

Joe Valenti
2 years 9 months ago

I am on the fence with this. Not sure if Dickey solves all their problems and makes them a contender so I have to agree with Karkat but I see your point with the Athletics and Orioles. I think their interest should really depend on their plans in FA. If (and I know this is outrageous but I am being hyperbolic) KC suddenly decides they are going to sign Greinke and Anibal Sanchez then suddenly they look like they look like they could be serious contenders and Dickey makes 100% sense

Loody
2 years 9 months ago

Bingo. Even if KC doesn’t get Greinke, perhaps they take a chance on someone like Dan Haren (assuming he is healthy). A top of the rotation of Dickey/Haren/Santana is really not that bad at all. The Royals have the pieces to make a deal with the Mets for Dickey and still have plenty of chips left over to make other moves – and I am not even a Royals fan. If KC is willing to give up Starling (whom the Mets would want) and someone like Tim Collins, it probably could get done.

Karkat
2 years 9 months ago

This’d be a really good trade for both sides if they can match up with a contender who has a good prospect or two to flip. I imagine any team with the space could meet him with an agreeable extension shortly after a trade, so it doesn’t seem like a huge risk, either.

jjs91
2 years 9 months ago

It probably be best to trade him now, so the other tame would be assured a pick if he cant be extended.

Dan Basile
2 years 9 months ago

Dickey & Murphy for Upton. AZ’s looking for SP and 3B help. Murphy’s natural position is 3B, it gives the Mets an excuse to slot Valdespin into 2B, and it gets them outfield help without spending significant money on a FA OF.

cweradio
2 years 9 months ago

Alderson is doing his due diligence .. good for him, if he can get pieces to fill other holes on our team, do it .. especially since he’s “hot” right now. I’d personally trade him after the Cy Young is announced, if he has something

greggofboken
2 years 9 months ago

Absolutely. Floating the name to find out market value and to grease the wheels on the negotiation. Alderson improves his position regardless.

BrooklynBuff
2 years 9 months ago

trading him wouldn’t be a bad idea you expect this 38 year old knuckleballer to keep pitching this way you people are nuts. Trade him now. the only one that should be a lock is David Wright at this point. I would try n trade him and Duda or Ike for Justin Upton.

mikefichera
2 years 9 months ago

Why the hell would you trade Ike for Upton. Because a GG calibur first basemen thats under cheap control is definitely more valuable than a question marked outfielder who is earning more money at the same age. The Mets have no idea if Uptons power would even play in Citi. Ike put up some real good numbers considering he was recovering from Valley Fever, I expect an even bigger year from him next year.

BrooklynBuff
2 years 9 months ago

Well I would rather trade duda but considering he just fractured his wrist I don’t think that’s possible anymore. Justin Upton is young fast and has power and he good friends with David wright since highschool. who would you put in Center next year. I really like Ike too but with the circumstances at hand..I would try n package Duda with Dickey first of course even Dickey and Ruben Tejada and Duda for Upton. Arizona is looking for a SS and MLB ready players so who knows

mikefichera
2 years 9 months ago

David is close with BJ not Justin. I wouldn’t even call them close, they just played on the same team together when they were younger.

James Attwood
2 years 9 months ago

The Dbacks have Goldschmidt at 1B and likely will have him there for many years to come. He’s just as slick with the glove and has light-tower power. Don’t get me wrong, I like Ike a lot, but the Dbacks already have a better option in house.

pepperdinedevil
2 years 9 months ago

I could see Towers getting the Dbacks in the mix here.

James Attwood
2 years 9 months ago

KT will almost certainly at least place a call. However, knuckleballers have a very poor track-record at Chase Field, likely because many Knuckleballers tend to be “fly ball pitchers”. In Chase Field, a strong breeze (if the panels are open) can help carry a routine flyball to the wall and beyond. Although Dickey would be interesting, it’s unlikely tyhe Dbacks pay the price the Mets are going to be looking for.

pepperdinedevil
2 years 9 months ago

Don’t disagree at all. I am curious to see how much a 38 year old with a one year deal brings back though. Would something like Parra/Holmberg or Pollack/Corbin with another lower level piece be enough?

Loody
2 years 9 months ago

Didn’t seem to bother Dickey pitching there this year.

NickyNoodles
2 years 9 months ago

Sign Wright, trade Dickey (as much as I like the guy). He’s not a pivitol piece to the Mets winning a World Series. His value is the highest it’s been, and will ever be. They could probably get a very decent return for him. Lord knows they need the help.

Mike Simms
2 years 9 months ago

I think the Rangers have to be in on this one, and could offer Alexi Ogando, a solid major leaguer and a prospect.

jumpstone
2 years 9 months ago

Will they offer Olt and Martin?

Loody
2 years 9 months ago

Depends if they get an extension. One or the other would probably in the deal, yes.

Baseball Lifer
2 years 9 months ago

I hope not… Not for Ogando. Lets not forget that Dickey started throwing that knuckleball here in TEX. Just gave up 6 HR’s in 1 start at the luanching pad before being released. — Granted the knuckler was not mastered at that point of Dickeys career. But if the knuckler doesnt knuckle the Ballpark In Arlington is not the place to be.

Mike Simms
2 years 9 months ago

Charlie Hough was the best pitcher the Rangers had when I was growing up, I think Dickey’s proven his Knuckler works 20 games last year. With any pitcher its about location.

Dustin Bicknell
2 years 9 months ago

Knuckleballers get killed in arlington. I remember the fans booing Dickey off the field in that 6 HR game. Tim Wakefield has pitched 21 games in Arlington he is 5-13 with a 6.23 ERA. Rangers are idiots if they want anything to do with Dickey after dumping him in 03

mikefichera
2 years 9 months ago

Tried finding some data to see how Dickey fairs in generally hr prone parks. Sample size for this year involves pretty much 1 start in Great American Ballpark where he gave up 3 HRs, 5ERs. and a start in CBP 1 run in 7 innings. The rest were either fair parks or larger than normal parks.

Baseball Lifer
2 years 9 months ago

Hough pitched in a entirely different ballpark. He missed the launching pad and jet stream in the current ball yard.

Joveoak
2 years 9 months ago

The Rangers had him before his knuckleball days and let him go. Not sure they’ll revisit acquiring him again.

2 years 9 months ago

No. They need to keep him. Knuckleballers don’t age and he is the ONLY bright spot on this team. Give him what he wants, he will produce for as long as they need him. Why would you trade him for prospects when no other team would take a 38 year old? 2014 will bring us ALOT of money to get prospects or veterans with Bay and Santana’s contracts over.

riteaid
2 years 9 months ago

If a team is willing to throw a stud MLB ready OF/C plus prospects you have to jump on that deal. Plus if you believe the reports that multiple teams would like to acquire him, Sandy wouldn’t be doing his job if he did not at least kick the tires on a possible deal.

R.A. is not a convectional soft tossing Knuckleballer, who’s to say he will produce the control, speed, or his command for the remainder of his new contract much less next season.