Blue Jays Notes: Rasmus, Samardzija, Anthopoulos

Blue Jays general manager Alex Anthopoulos spoke with reporters at the conclusion of the Winter Meetings today.  Sportsnet.ca's Ben Nicholson-Smith (in two seperate pieces) and the Toronto Sun's Bob Elliott have the highlights of Anthopoulos' talk, as well as a few other hot stove items…

  • Anthopoulos didn't say whether or not he'd recently discussed a contract extension with Colby Rasmus, who is eligible for free agency next winter.  Rasmus has raised his value after a big 2013 campaign, though Anthopoulos noted that larger-market teams like Toronto had the luxury of waiting before locking players up.  "We don’t mind paying a little more to be sure we get a little more information," Anthopoulos said.
  • Rasmus' name reportedly emerged in trade talks for starting pitching.  While Anthopoulos noted that "no one is untradeable," he also added that "for us to move an everyday position player and feel like we can get better, that would be hard to do."
  • The Cubs are asking for Marcus Stroman, Aaron Sanchez and a third prospect from the Blue Jays for Jeff Samardzija, Elliott reports.  Anthopoulos recently said he was constantly being asked about Stroman and Sanchez, the Jays' top two pitching prospects, in possible deals.
  • The Blue Jays have been approached by teams looking to add power hitters.   "The one thing we have is power and there’s not a lot of power on the market and the free-agent prices don’t work….We haven’t lined up anything,” Anthopoulos said.
  • The Jays have three starting pitchers targeted and Anthopoulos says a fourth pitcher could also be in play.  “We’re not going to close the door on the fourth,” the GM said. “The fourth is a little more challenging, but I think there could be a domino effect with the fourth if we do some other things.”
  • The signing of Tomo Ohka adds another knuckleballer to the organization and Anthopoulos hinted that the team may add more knuckleballers to prepare their catchers for the challenge of handling R.A. Dickey.  “To be honest, we’ll look to add some more guys if we can….We may look to get some other guys that we think can be guys to convert," Anthopoulos said.
  • The Jays are looking to add an international free agent, Nicholson-Smith reports, so the trade of Rule 5 draft pick Brian Moran to the Angels for $244K of extra space under the international spending cap helped Toronto prepare for this potential signing.  The Blue Jays attempted to acquire international cap space from the Phillies earlier this winter but were turned down.


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  1. Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

    “The Cubs are asking for Marcus Stroman, Aaron Sanchez and a third prospect from the Blue Jays for Jeff Samardzija”

    Haha, thats hilarious. Maybe take out the first two parts and we have a deal.

    • cubs7691 2 years ago

      Look at what they got for Garza (who had 3 months left on his contract). Not saying it will happen, but stupid moves have been made. Most recent is Fister to Washington. I highly doubt they would get both but maybe one with another solid prospect or two.

      • Overbrook 2 years ago

        What did they get? 2 very good AA pitching prospects, a middle reliever, and an ex top 3B prospects in sharp decline. They did well for a rent, but the idea that they got some huge haul of top prospects is as silly as the idea that Smardzija is an ace.

    • baseball52 2 years ago

      Maybe you can give us Lawrie for a bag of balls, too.

  2. GoForThree 2 years ago

    I do believe the Cubs are over valuing Samardzija. lol Well, it is getting close to Christmas so i guess they are hoping for gifts.

    • Cubs27 2 years ago

      Wouldn’t you ask for that much, though? They don’t have to trade Samardzija so it only makes sense for a team to have to overpay.

      • GoForThree 2 years ago

        If i was truly looking to get a return, i’d ask for a reasonable amount. Not be full of it by asking for a ransom.

        • Tom Filgate 2 years ago

          I’m pretty sure Theo knows what he is doing though. Shoot for the moon and you might get a star

          • GoForThree 2 years ago

            Though Theo isn’t the GM, Hoyer is.

          • Tom Filgate 2 years ago

            And I’m still sure Theo knows what he is doing

        • baseball52 2 years ago

          Why? You can just hold him until the TDL until teams are willing to overpay.

        • Cubs27 2 years ago

          I would too, but only if the Cubs actually had to trade him. There’s a difference there.

      • Lucas Kschischang 2 years ago

        No team should ask for a teams #1 and #2 prospects and more for a #4 starter.

        • Guillermo 2 years ago

          Shark would not be #4 for the Jays

          • GoForThree 2 years ago

            Maybe not, but that still doesn’t up his worth to these heights.

          • Swarley 2 years ago

            I think their plan now is to hold on to him and work out a contract later on (they still have two years of control) and if a team is dumb enough to unload all their prospects for a middle rotation pitcher, well who would say no to that?

          • theUpdate23 2 years ago

            Is he better than Dickey, Buehrle or Morrow?

          • TheoHoyer 2 years ago

            If you look at 2013 numbers, Samardzija had a pretty comparable year to both Dickey and Buehrle. Plus he has more upside, for what it’s worth.

          • Jaysfan724 2 years ago

            To be fair…Dickey and Buehrle had very poor first halfs, and pitched much better after the break. I’m sure if Samardzija came to the AL East he would struggle just as much if not play worse.

          • Cubs27 2 years ago

            With all due respect to the AL East, you realize he played in the NL Central, which had 3 teams make it to the postseason? The AL East wasn’t the toughest division last year.

          • theUpdate23 2 years ago

            Pitchers have a much harder time in the AL East than the NL Central. Tampa, Balt, NY, Boston, Toronto. All hugely offensive teams in hitter friendly ballparks.

          • jjs91 2 years ago

            Yes

          • godzillacub 2 years ago

            Yes. Empirically, he has been for the last two years.

          • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

            You’re right, he would be our #5 behind Buehrle, Dickey, Morrow and Stroman.

          • Lucas Kschischang 2 years ago

            Yeah he’d be behind Dickey, Buehrle, and Morrow.

        • scott brecht 2 years ago

          They are the Jays best prospects, not the Twins. Big difference in talent levels.

          • Lucas Kschischang 2 years ago

            BREAKING NEWS: Individual players are not a representation of a whole farm system.

        • godzillacub 2 years ago

          Nope, they’re asking for the #1 and #2 prospects of from an average system (due to trading away tons in the last few years) where those prospects sit in the top 50 and barely in the top 100. Need I remind you a top 15 prospect and top 50 prospect in BA’s midseason were just moved for Mark Trumbo.

          And Shark over the last two years ranks between 18th and 30th best in the league depending on which advanced metric you use (FIP, xFIP, SEIRA).

          • Lucas Kschischang 2 years ago

            You’re referring to last years top 50 and top 100?

          • godzillacub 2 years ago

            I’m referring to the two most current lists put out by Baseball America: the 2013 top 100, the 2013 mid-season top 50.

            If you have something more current, I’d love to see it.

          • Lucas Kschischang 2 years ago

            Both of which don’t account for both Sanchez and Stroman’s dominant performances in the AFL.

          • godzillacub 2 years ago

            I wouldn’t over sell 23 innings and 11 innings (respectively) of quality work. Sanchez also led his teams in walks and Stroman didn’t start a game.

      • ice_hawk10 2 years ago

        Well they do if they want an opportunity to speed up their rebuild.

        • baseball52 2 years ago

          Trading their one, young, established, controllable arm will speed up their rebuild? Que?

          It might make sense, but it won’t speed it up.

          • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

            He is a 4th starter who the Cubs could probably sell as a #2/3, makes sense.

          • godzillacub 2 years ago

            Please explain to me empirically how he is a 4th starter with stats not ERA or W-L.

  3. TheoHoyer 2 years ago

    The comment boards here are pretty predictable.

    Cubs Fans: This deal seems pretty fair
    Blue Jays Fans: NO WAY! Samardzija isn’t worth it!

    Just so it’s clear: It takes talent to acquire talent. People overvalue their team’s prospects. I say this as a Cubs fan. Do I think Samardzija is worth Sanchez and Stroman? No, but the Cubs will get what they’re asking for from someone. See: Matt Garza

    EDIT: You guys can downvote me all you want. I’m not saying that it’s a fair deal, but the Cubs will hold onto Shark until they get what they’re asking for.

    EDIT TWO: Can’t we all agree that we love baseball and hate the Yankees?

    • hurley55 2 years ago

      Jason Parks of Baseball Prospectus said Sanchez and Stroman plus a third prospect is a little too much for a David Price, let alone a lesser pitcher like Samardzija.

      • TheoHoyer 2 years ago

        I agree with that statement. Someone will feel the pressure to make a move and bite though.

      • baseball52 2 years ago

        Parks has a prospect love fest going on with Stroman, so I see why he’d say that.

        • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

          I dont think he has a prospect love of Stroman, I just think he realizes that Stroman’s height doesnt matter as much as most people think it does. So because he realizes that, it appears he loves Stroman, when really he just values him as he truly is.

      • godzillacub 2 years ago

        And Fangraphs gave them, earlier this month, not so ringing an endorsment:

        Sanchez has the makings of a No. 1 or 2 starter, if his command and control both improve. However, I have concerns over his ability to stay healthy in the long term, and he’s already had shoulder issues pop up.

        Toronto is going to give Stroman every opportunity to succeed as a starter but it’s hard to envision him holding up to 200+ innings for an extended period of time. Former starter-turned-reliever Tom Gordon, who also stood about 5’9” and pitched parts of 21 seasons in the Majors, is perhaps a good comp for Stroman.

        • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

          Fangraphs is not as good of a talent evaluator as Baseball Prospectus. Fangraphs is good, but they dont spend the time to deeply look at things, such as noticing that Stroman is actually vastly different than Gordon.

          • godzillacub 2 years ago

            Fair, but I think people are dramatically overvaluing the #42 prospect mid-season (Sanchez) and Stroman (who didn’t make the list, last appearing as #98 on BA’s top 100 in 2013).

            Especially when #14 midseason and #48 midseason were just moved for Mark Trumbo.

    • GoForThree 2 years ago

      I’m not a Jays fan. It’s too much.

    • Brent Nault 2 years ago

      You are correct. It does take talent to acquire talent. But if I am giving up Sanchez and Stroman, I want a David Price or a Chris Sale.

      • TheoHoyer 2 years ago

        I agree. It would probably take even more than that to pry Chris Sale from the White Sox.

        • Brent Nault 2 years ago

          True. Chris Sale is under team control until 2019.. so, at least in my opinion, his value exceeds that of Price by quite a bit, especially in the eyes of AA and the Jays who really value controllable young players.

        • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

          I wonder what it would take. I would offer all of the Jays top 5 prospects without missing a beat. I wonder if Sanchez, Stroman, Tirado, Nolin and Norris would be enough.

          • Brent Nault 2 years ago

            That would be unwise, perhaps their top 3, but not 5…

    • Noah Baron 2 years ago

      Every year one team makes the same mistake. Someone will overpay for Samardzjia and/or Price, just like the Blue Jays overpayed for Dickey last year and the Royals overpaid for Shields.

    • baseball52 2 years ago

      It’s not a fair deal, but it’s exactly what the Cubs should be asking for. The Jays are paying for Samardzija, the two years of control, the pick compensation if he leaves, and the Cubs foregoing the TDL trade market, which is always very lucrative.

      I don’t see what’s outlandish here other than people not having a grasp with the situation.

      • TheoHoyer 2 years ago

        Bias fans, plain and simple. This is why they’re fans and not GM’s.

      • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

        “Pick compensation”

        Because a 4.34 ERA is worthy of what will likely be $16 million.

        • baseball52 2 years ago

          Because 2001 called and ERA is still a relevant stat on its own back then.

          • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

            Oh okay, so lets ignore the most useful stat when measuring the value of pitchers in the past. How about we use the stat that projects value. 3.77 FIP, becuase that is totally worth $16 million.

          • baseball52 2 years ago

            How is that the most useful? FIP is empirical. It’s based on pitching ability alone, nothing else. I agree that some pitching evaluation is results based, but it’s an 80-20 split at best.

          • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

            So then what are we going to use? Every letter of your last name is worth $2 million?

          • godzillacub 2 years ago

            Since he’s been a starter he’s 30th in FIP, 18th in xFIP, and 19th in SEIRA. ALL predictive stats.

            All better than every pitcher currently on the Blue Jays in that time, might I add.

          • Mike Babiak 2 years ago

            how relevant is his 1.0 WAR

    • cubs7691 2 years ago

      Don’t mention the Y word here.

    • Runtime 2 years ago

      I thought you were quoting a OOTP trade offer screen.

    • binky 2 years ago

      If the Jays are giving up Stroman & Sanchez in the same deal for a starter they can start pre-ordering their David Price jersey’s right now.

  4. cmanthomas 2 years ago

    Insane request by the Cubs. That’s how you destroy business relationships. Hopefully the jays shun the cubs in all trades going forward.

    • GoForThree 2 years ago

      LOL! It’s not shun worthy. Just ridiculous.

    • Matthew Mueller 2 years ago

      It’s doubtful AA and Theo have a great relationship left over from the Red Sox days.

      • Why? Just because interdivision trades are rare doesn’t mean that executives foster grudges that prevent future dealings.

      • ice_hawk10 2 years ago

        There’s really no reason to think that at all. Look its a clear case of a rebuilding team asking for the moon for one of it’s few valuable players, and the interested team totally balking at the asking price. If a deal gets done, they will meet in the middle. Samardzija is does not have the track record or the team control of a Dickey and will never get a D’Arnaud, Syndergaard, Beccerra type return. Its in the cubs’ interest to ask, but pretty clearly the Jays are not that dumb.

  5. Goriax 2 years ago

    For Price yes for Shark, absolutely 100% no.

    • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

      I wonder how much more it would take to acquire Chris Sale. Whatever it is, I think I would do it. Sale is worth a lot.

      • Brent Nault 2 years ago

        Absolutely. Chris Sale is the kind of player the Jays want.

        • godzillacub 2 years ago

          Chris Sale is the kind of baseball player that every team wants. It’s like saying, “Man, Trout would look good in center for us.”

  6. cmanthomas 2 years ago

    After last season, the Jays really don’t have any good, reliable starters. Buerhle and dickey might pitch 200+ innings but with 4th/5th starter stats. nothing special.

    Tanaka may be a question mark, but knowing what we know about garza (injuries), and ervin (inconsistent, and unlikely to succeed in AL east), tanaka could be the only FA to bring success to this rotation. Even with Tanaka they still need a number 1/2. FIster would have been a solid addition

  7. Danny Phillips 2 years ago

    Cubs management overvalue samardzija as much as their fans

    • cubs7691 2 years ago

      I think he’s a number 2 at best. He’s like Big Z if it doesn’t go his way on the mound, he self destructs.

      • Danny Phillips 2 years ago

        A 2 on a bad team at best 3 on an average to below

        • cubs7691 2 years ago

          As of right now, but with the right coaches he could be. He really has electric stuff he just can’t control it.

        • godzillacub 2 years ago

          Please, show me beyond ERA and W-L why he’s a 3 on an “average team.”

          I’m very curious for proof to this effect.

    • ctothed 2 years ago

      What have the Jays prospects done at the MLB level to show they will be successful?

      • GoForThree 2 years ago

        About as much as most on the Cubs roster.

        • cubs7691 2 years ago

          Don’t tell me you wouldn’t want Donnie Murphy starting at 3rd for your team LOL (sarcasm)

          • Shane Flannagan 2 years ago

            Well Murphy would play for the Cardinals and since God loves the Cardinals he would automatically become an amazing player (Ex. Freese for October)

      • Danny Phillips 2 years ago

        Not sure how that relates to these particular two prospects

      • George Vander Buist 2 years ago

        What has any prospect ever done at the ML level to show they will be successful? That is why they are prospects

      • Brent Nault 2 years ago

        I understand your point, though it was poorly articulated. I agree, there is uncertainty involved with prospects, there are no sure things. But, that’s the risk you take.

  8. user9999 2 years ago

    Strolman, Sanchez and a prospect for Samardzjia? lol… thats a deal for price not this guy

    • Shane Flannagan 2 years ago

      That wouldn’t even come close to getting Price

      • Brent Nault 2 years ago

        Yes it would

      • ice_hawk10 2 years ago

        Yeah, it would. I believe someone from fangraphs or maybe baseball prospectus indicated that including both of them would be an overpay for two years of price. Their word is not law, but clearly counts for a lot more than the average fan. The cubs will probably get one of those guys for Samardzija, but never both.

        • jjs91 2 years ago

          Source?

          • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

            Jason Parks of Baseball Prospectus said it during one of those weekly question and answer things.

      • baseball52 2 years ago

        Exactly what I’m thinking. When someone’s offering up Taijuan Walker, Sanchez and Stroman don’t stand a chance.

        • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

          First of all, the Mariners arent offering Walker, secondly, Sanchez and Stroman are top 20 and top 50 prospects respectively, I think they are better than Walker combined.

          • baseball52 2 years ago

            I haven’t seen either in the top 20 anywhere. It’s not nearly enough. Stroman and Sanchez may be #2s or #3s, but Walker is poised to be a bonafide ace and is ML ready. The quality trumps the quantity.

          • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

            Jason Parks recently mentioned how two 6 prospects are better than one 7. Stroman and Sanchez are 6’s while Walker is a 7. When the quality is not much worse, quantity trumps quality absolutely..

          • baseball52 2 years ago

            Once again, Parks has a man crush on those guys. Taijuan Walker is confirmed as one of the most sought after prospects in the game and is seen as what many think he is. He carries some serious trade value that can’t be cleared outside of a deal for a guy like Bradley, at least with a pitcher.

          • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

            EVERYONE acknowledges Stroman and Sanchez are 6’s. And Parks recognizes the true value of Stroman, he also certainly does not have a crush on Sanchez.

          • baseball52 2 years ago

            I recognize the value of Stroman, too. I wanted him when he came out having watched a ton of him at Duke, but he’s not an ace. He’s not the talent that Walker is. Walker is special and special talent trumps good talent in any way, shape or form.

          • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

            Yes, I know both Sanchez and Stroman are not as good as Walker, but combined they are worth more. One great pitcher has a lot more risk than two very good pitchers, and thats why Stroman and Sanchez combined are more valuable.

          • baseball52 2 years ago

            There’s a lot of risk with any prospect. It’s no different than with Sanchez and Stroman.

          • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

            Which is why when you are spreading it across two prospects it is much better. Especially when those two prospects are immensely valuable in their own right.

          • baseball52 2 years ago

            But you’re talking about risk for a Chris Sale vs risk for a Matt Garza. One of those is a lot more worthwhile.

            (these comparisons are not meant to be taken literally, just relatively)

          • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

            First of all, Garza is a #3 type, and Sale is a #1. Secondly, what makes Sale valuable is his contract. Using John Sickels’ evaluation of what #1’s and #2’s are, Kershaw is a #1 and Greinke and Hamels are #2’s. Kershaw is obviously more valuable than both of them separately, but combined they are more valuable than Kershaw.

          • baseball52 2 years ago

            What makes Sale valuable is that he’s an ace with an awesome contract, not just his contract.

            Major leaguers and minor leaguers can’t be used to compare value. The ball game is completely different. Minor leaguers are basically currency; where as, major leaguers are concrete assets.

          • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

            But when comparing two prospects, we can use them. Thats the point of this. Walker has the potential to be a top shelf #1. Sanchez has the potential to be a top shelf #2 and Stroman has the potential to be a middle of the pack #2. Two #2’s are more valuable than one #1, and as such, Stroman and Sanchez combined are more valuable than Walker.

          • baseball52 2 years ago

            That’s not the point, because you’re talking about two completely different things. It’s like trying to compare a running back to a power forward.

          • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

            No not really, do you really not understand this? Ill put it a bit simpler. You can choose one option A or two option B. Option A is one 80% chance at $1.8 million. Option B is an 80% chance at $1 million. Option A individually is more valuable, but since you can have two of option B, option B is more valuable.

          • baseball52 2 years ago

            Yes, really. You’re talking about assets that have already returned that; where as, prospects haven’t.

          • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

            No, thats the point of using the 80%!!! The assets HAVENT returned their value, same with the prospects, and as such they are a risk. Stroman and Sanchez have less upside individually, but combined they are more valuable.

          • baseball52 2 years ago

            Even then, you’re assuming that a) your return numbers are accurate there and b) your risk numbers are accurate there.

            At the bottom line, precedence in baseball, which is a much better predictor than arbitrary numbers and faulty comparisons, falls much more towards Walker than it does Stroman and Sanchez. Packages with guys like Stroman and Walker get traded much more often than ones of Walker’s sort.

          • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

            You are missing the point by a wide margin. The risk numbers and returns dont really matter, because the similiarity between Sanchez, Stroman and Walker is not significant enough to change the outcome. We are not talking about two potential #4’s and one #1, we are talking about #2’s and one #1. Thats what they are. Walker’s risk is not much lower than Sanchez and Stroman, while Walkers upside is not much higher. Yes, it is higher, but for example, the difference between Kershaw and Greinke is significant, but not significant enough.

            The reason packages like Stroman and Sanchez get traded much more often is because of two reasons: 1) prospects like Walker are not common at all, like maybe 1 every year, 2) combining two prospects is easier to reach the desired value than using 1.

          • godzillacub 2 years ago

            Poor analogy: you’re saying Stroman and Walker can be Grienke? Grienke is a #1 on most every team not the Dodgers.

            Better analogy: it’s more like Kershaw (#3 in WAR over past 2 years) versus Shark (#33 in WAR over past two years).

          • godzillacub 2 years ago

            Poor analogy. Option A you have 80% chance at 1.8 million; Option B you have 60% chance at 2.0 million. Is 200k worth 20% more risk?

          • trenigro 2 years ago

            Assuming that the 80% represents the likelihood of the player succeeding and the $ figure represents their potential value (talent), this analogy ignores that Taijuan Walker carries less risk than both Stroman and Sanchez individually. These numbers also appear to be completely arbitrary as well and therefore don’t mean anything.

            I do get the point that you are making though and it is a valid argument, but I have to respectfully disagree as I seem to view the the individual value and risk of these players differently.

          • godzillacub 2 years ago

            Yes, less risk. Also lower ceilings.

          • trenigro 2 years ago

            Walker is an MLB ready ace caliber, top 5 prospect while Sanchez is a high upside guy who hasn’t pitched past A ball and Stroman is a 5’9″ potential #3. Sanchez and Stroman are nice but I think most people would take Walker.

          • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

            When it comes to prospects, especially pitchers, large quantity of quality is king. Sanchez and Stroman combined are probably more valuable than Walker.

          • trenigro 2 years ago

            When it comes to pitching prospects, proximity to the majors is king. Aside from having the highest ceiling among these guys, Walker is also MLB ready. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

          • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

            So is Stroman, Stroman could start in the majors next April. He is likely maybe 1-2 months behind Walker.

          • trenigro 2 years ago

            He has yet to pitch in AAA. Sure he could possibly jump over AAA or speed through it very quickly, but that should not be expected. Walker has already gone through and dominated AAA and has successfully gotten his feet wet in the majors.

          • calabio 2 years ago

            yea. i disagree….5 years from now. walker will be a front of the line starter for a few years by then. and sanchez will have had 2 stints in the majors, high era. fade away and stroman will maybe make the majors as a reliever, get shelled and traded away and maybe become a cub when hes making a comeback at 34

          • Dyna4 2 years ago

            Thats a heck of a crystal ball you got there.

          • calabio 2 years ago

            lol i was jus spit ballin. sanchez will probably be pretty good

          • godzillacub 2 years ago

            By who, when, where? They were in the high 60s and 90s respectively for the last BA list.

          • godzillacub 2 years ago

            Please tell me where that is from. The highest I’ve seen Sanchez is 40s mid-season and I’ve only seen Stroman brush into the top 100.

  9. Tom Filgate 2 years ago

    It’s called negotiating. If the Blue Jays don’t like the asking price, they can just say no. Everyone’s getting a little too worked up about it. They didn’t give up as much for Dickey so I would guess they wouldn’t give up that package for Shark

  10. George Vander Buist 2 years ago

    I”m dying to find out who these 3 or 4 pitchers they have lined up are.. and if they are lined up.. what’s the wait?

    • Brent Nault 2 years ago

      In my eyes, if we are talking trades.. then Jeff Samardzija, Hisashi Iwakuma, David Price, and Chris Sale make the most sense.
      Free agency…. Bronson Arroyo or Ubaldo Jimenez

      • ice_hawk10 2 years ago

        I would think the longshot 4th is clearly David Price. Perhaps depends on whether the Jays can acquire a 1B/DH to replace EE, who is ubervaluable and cheap enough to be at least a great starting point for the Rays, who need a 1B. Perhaps that is why the Jays are interested in Billy Butler. They desperately want to avoid trading their high upside SP depth (Sanchez, Stroman), and could potentially do that in acquiring Butler. EE then goes to Tampa as the centrepiece for Price, a rare star for star type trade. Butler is not as good as EE, but could potentially approximate his production given a switch from Kaufman to the Rogers Centre. I’m probably connecting too many dots here, but hey – its the offseason – its fun to speculate.

        • ice_hawk10 2 years ago

          Star for star trades are rare, but who better to pull one off than Freidman and Anthopoulos, two of the games more progressive thinkers

        • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

          I read somewhere that the Rays asked for Stroman, Sanchez and Lawrie. They obviously dont want to trade within the division.

          • George Vander Buist 2 years ago

            Kind of weird they would look to ask for Lawrie.. They have maybe the best 3b in the game in Longoria already

        • Brent Nault 2 years ago

          I agree with you, but I think that it would take a package of EE and Marcus Stroman to get Price. Love the train of thought, just think EE for Price straight up wouldn’t be exactly what the Rays want.

      • cmanthomas 2 years ago

        Iwakuma aint in talks unless they give an mob ready starter back…iwakuma is big part of seattle’s push to make playoffs with cano

        ubaldo only makes sense if jays can sign a higher tier starter swell

        • Brent Nault 2 years ago

          Sadly, Ubaldo is a top tier starter in this free agent class..

          • cmanthomas 2 years ago

            he could be great, but with the question marks jays have with morrow, he might not be the answer jays are looking for

  11. Brent Nault 2 years ago

    The only way the Blue Jays give up Aaron Sanchez and Marcus Stroman is in a deal for Chris Sale. In my opinion, a deal for Sale would probably look like this:
    Toronto receives: SP Chris Sale and Gordon Beckham
    Chicago receives: SP Aaron Sanchez, SP Marcus Stroman, and OF DJ Davis

    • baseball52 2 years ago

      Chris Sale only gets traded in some sort of Herschel Walker deal. He’s a bonafide, lefthanded ace locked up on a team friendly deal for many years. You have to give up some ML young talent along with your top 3-4 prospects.

    • Jaysfan724 2 years ago

      Though Beckham isn’t the obvious centerpiece, I’d rather roll with a Goins/Izturis platoon than throwing in a DJ Davis for Beckham who wouldn’t be much of an upgrade, if that.

    • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

      Not enough for Sale, it would honestly take one of Bautista, Encarnacion or Lawrie to get them to even listen.

      • Brent Nault 2 years ago

        No…. If Chicago were contending (in which case they wouldn’t be trading Sale) then sure, they would look for Bautista or that type of player. But the White Sox want prospects, they are nowhere near contention. It would be pointless to acquire any of those three, not at this stage

        • baseball52 2 years ago

          They’d want Lawrie for sure. Look at their recent acquisitions. Garcia, Abreu and Eaton. All young, cost controlled pieces.

          Not to mention, you can’t complete this deal without some proven talent going the other way.

          • Brent Nault 2 years ago

            “Can’t complete this deal without some proven talent going the other way”.
            So… explain to me the Roy Halladay, James Shields, CC Sabathia, Zack Greinke, Cliff Lee, and Matt Garza (to name a few) trades where there was “proven talent” acquired in return. The White Sox are going to be one of the worst teams in baseball next year, without question.. they don’t need proven talent, they need all the prospects they can get.

          • baseball52 2 years ago

            How many of them were in their low 20’s and contending for a Cy Young? Oh and what about them having one of the most friendly pitcher’s contracts in the game?

            Sale has other worldly trade value. Not quite that Kershaw level, but he’s got more than anyone you’ve mentioned and more than guys like Price and Hamels.

          • Brent Nault 2 years ago

            Actually, Chris Sale is more valuable than Kershaw. I believe Kershaw is and always will be a better pitcher than Sale, but, Chris is under contract until 2019, and Kershaw is a FA after this year… So, all things considered, if you look at it from say the point of view of Alex Anthopolous, then Sale is more valuable than CK. And you are correct, the pitchers I mentioned didn’t have that kind of contractual awesomeness that Sale has, I just don’t think the Sox would want “proven talent”. It doesn’t make sense. They want guys who can help them in a few years. Not a guy like Bautista or Lawrie, or Edwin who would be gone by the time they are ready to compete.

          • baseball52 2 years ago

            Look at what the Sox have gotten in the past. They’re a very win now organization. I wouldn’t think they’d go after Joey Bats, but Encarnacion is definitely on the table and Lawrie is almost certainly a White Sox in this scenario.

            Not to mention, like I’ve said, you need that kind of talent to make the trade worthwhile.There has to be some immediate impact, especially when you lack that premiere prospect.

          • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

            He has infinitely more trade value than Kershaw. Kershaw only has one year.

          • baseball52 2 years ago

            At some point, you have to draw the line at contractual value. It’s closer than it should be because of it, but Kershaw still has more value.

          • Brent Nault 2 years ago

            Kershaw does not have more value. Plain and simple. Ask me who I want to pitch Game 7 of the World Series out of the two, and the answer is Kershaw without a moment’s hesitation. But, who has more value in terms of trades, it is Sale (%100)

          • baseball52 2 years ago

            Not at all. You’re putting too much into contracts.

            Kershaw is 26 with years of Cy Young caliber pitching under his belt and is currently the best pitcher in baseball.

            Yea, you have to sign him. So what? He’s too good for you to give a damn.

    • Oren Jungreis 2 years ago

      Too little.

      i would offer

      Sanchez Gose Osuna/Nolin tirado/barreto and DJ davis

      • Jeremy Russell 2 years ago

        As much as that would such to trade, sadly that is actually closer to a fair deal.

    • cubs7691 2 years ago

      I know I am a Cubs fan and everything, but I’m just gonna say that with Sale you are gonna be expecting some injuries throughout his tenure. His mechanics are odd. I wouldn’t be surprised if he got Tommy John before he’s done. He messed up his elbow either last year or 2 years ago, but he’s still a stud. He just comes with more risk.

      • baseball52 2 years ago

        I’d be willing to trade for him as a Cubs fan. It’s worth taking, especially with how the TJ surgery has evolved.

        • cubs7691 2 years ago

          Oh yeah he’s got some of the dirtiest stuff in the game.

    • cmanthomas 2 years ago

      i think every jays fan would love that deal. I’m finding it tough to see why the chi sox trade sale–seeing as an ace is hard to come by, and sale’s salary is cheap long term

  12. Brent Nault 2 years ago

    I think Jeff Samardzija is way overrated. Is his stuff electric? Yes. But, his value is not as high as people seem to think it is. He is 28 and has only thrown 200 innings once, albeit by no fault of his own considering he has only been a starter for two seasons. It’s also important to note that while a similar argument could be applied to Sale to an extent; Sale is under team control until 2019 while ‘the Shark’ is eligible for free agency after 2015.

    • baseball52 2 years ago

      Let’s compare Shark to one of the most valuable pitchers in baseball. Yes. Let’s.

  13. Barry2 2 years ago

    Jays miss the boat on Fister but Porcello might be available if a good free agent starting pitcher is still around in January for the Tigers to sign to make up for Rick’s departure.

    • cmanthomas 2 years ago

      agreed. Fister was definitely 50% of the answer for toronto. Tanaka might be the rest

    • baseball52 2 years ago

      Everyone missed the boat on Fister. 28 other teams could have beaten that offer easily.

      • Cubstein 2 years ago

        Yeah, I really wish the Cubs would have gotten in on that. At the very least they could have turned around and sold even higher.

  14. cmanthomas 2 years ago

    jays need to think longterm OF swell as SP. Choo is the only solid OF left in FA for this offseason AND next…I’m sure his agent is selling that pitch, but something to think about with melky not doing much and rasmus (inferior to choo) a FA next year.

    • Danny Phillips 2 years ago

      The rub with Choo through is he is not worth the money a team will eventually spend on him.

  15. Cubstein 2 years ago

    Man I love Shark but even I know he’s not worth that much.

  16. joe smith 2 years ago

    Please trade this guy already….just don’t sent him to Toronto.

  17. Noah Baron 2 years ago

    For some reason I can’t reply… anyway sure at the time the deal was fine. But in retrospect now that Syndergaard has become an elite front of the rotation prospect who should provide 6 years of surplus value IN ADDITION to d’Arnaud, who was the centerpiece of the deal, makes this a steal for the Mets regardless of Dickey’s contributions.

  18. Noah Baron 2 years ago

    Blue Jays probably learned their lesson after the Dickey trade.

  19. Jaysfan724 2 years ago

    Don’t forget the desire for a third prospect like those two weren’t more than enough. Might as well ask for Osuna while you’re at it…get the whole trifecta. Crazy.

  20. Danny Phillips 2 years ago

    If not they may be lost. That was a horrible trade for the BJs

  21. Jaysfan724 2 years ago

    The fact they were trading for what would eventually become 4 years of control of a reigning Cy Young winner had just a little bit to do with the price they paid.

  22. George Vander Buist 2 years ago

    Hope so anyway

  23. theUpdate23 2 years ago

    Except the prospects the Jays dealt still haven’t made significant contributions at the ML level. Might still turn out horrible, but only time will tell.

  24. malna 2 years ago

    Not to mention, he still put up 2 WAR in a season where he was battling. 2 WAR for an SP making 10Mish? I’m down.

  25. Dynasty22 2 years ago

    Really?

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