Ervin Santana Progressing Toward Deal

11:38am: MLBTR's Tim Dierkes reports (via Twitter) that there's "no way" Santana signs today. Dierkes' source says that there are three to four teams with serious interest.

10:59am: Shi Davidi of Sportsnet.ca hears from a source that Santana did indeed move closer to striking a deal this weekend. However, the Blue Jays "aren't the ones driving the sudden turn in his market," according to Davidi.

7:58am: The Orioles aren't close to a deal with Santana at this time, a source tells Jim Bowden of ESPN and MLB Network Radio (Twitter link).

MONDAY, 7:12am: Darren Wolfson of 1500 ESPN tweets that there's no interest in Santana from the Twins, but he hears that the Orioles, Mariners, Dodgers, Yankees and Indians have all inquired on Santana within the past few days. Of course, the Dodgers signed Paul Maholm over the weekend, so they may no longer be in the market for another starter.

SUNDAY: Free agent starting pitcher Ervin Santana seems to finally be heading toward a deal, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports writes. The Blue Jays and the Orioles have both been in touch with Santana. Chris Cotillo of MLB Daily Dish, meanwhile, tweets that the Orioles will strongly pursue Santana or Ubaldo Jimenez this week.

Santana, of course, is coming off a strong 2013 season in which he posted a 3.24 ERA, 6.9 K/9 and 2.2 BB/9 in 211 innings with the Royals. His path to a new team has been blocked, however, first by the uncertainty regarding Masahiro Tanaka's destination, and now by the fact that the team that signs him will have to forfeit a draft pick. As Rosenthal points out, the Jays' No. 9 and No. 11 picks are protected, which means they would only have to forfeit their No. 49 overall pick. The Orioles would lose their top draft choice, at No. 17.

Rosenthal notes that the Orioles are unlikely to be able to sign A.J. Burnett, as reports earlier this weekend indicated. They were among the finalists for Bronson Arroyo, but Arroyo recently agreed to terms with the Diamondbacks.


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170 Comments on "Ervin Santana Progressing Toward Deal"


Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
1 year 6 months ago

Come on Jimenez!
Anyway, I am thinking Santana will either sign with the Jays or back to the Royals.
Although, the Royals signed Chen and Vargas so maybe they are resigned to it to go without Santana. Don’t know for sure.
The other reason, I don’t think it’s the O’s and this is just my opinion, we could have traded for him a few years ago Tejada to then Angels and a whole bunch of players in return including Santana. Angelos said no way man! Besides, I want Jimenez! =P

KJ4realz
1 year 6 months ago

Jimenez seems to be getting no love. I thought he was the best FA pitcher available. Would love to see him on the Os

Outside of Tanaka, I’ll add, in disussing Jimenez as te best FA pitcher

Frittoman626
1 year 6 months ago

Santana really wouldn’t fit in Camden Yards. He could set a record of most HR given up by a pitcher pitching half his games there as well as pitching in Yankee Stadium, Fenway Park, and the Rogers Centre which are all hitters ballparks. It could get ugly…

Guest
1 year 6 months ago

Are we finally going to get some Jays news?!

connfyoozed .
1 year 6 months ago

Don’t be greedy… during the 2013 season the Jays were designating a player for assignment seemingly every 3 hours, so you had lots of headlines then. 😉

Matthew Augeri
1 year 6 months ago

I think whoever signs him will get a bargain. He doesn’t have much leverage to drive up the asking price. He’ll give you mostly good years and will eat innings in all of them.

BVHjays
1 year 6 months ago

Jays reporter Mike Wilner, who doesn’t report often but always has accurate info, says the Jays aren’t close to a deal with him.

Runtime
1 year 6 months ago

Darn.
Wilner is usually pretty reliable. He’s been a homer for so long that he’s got plenty of connections.

GRN_
1 year 6 months ago

Wilner did say with supreme confidence that Farrel wasn’t going anywhere last year though.

Runtime
1 year 6 months ago

Fair enough. Everone’s wrong once in a while.

Runtime
1 year 6 months ago

Fair enough. Everone’s wrong once in a while.

BrettLawriesnewesttattoo
1 year 6 months ago

Wilner gets stuff wrong all the time. Last week he said Jeff Baker was a bad clubhouse presence only to have beat reporters shoot that scurrilous rumor down.

Jeremy
1 year 6 months ago

When it comes to Jays stuff, I trust Wilner more than any of the national writers simply because he is closer to the Jays. It is possible that the Jays are not close to a deal because they are waiting until Santana is ready to sign, then swoop in and beat it at the last second.

Runtime
1 year 6 months ago

I’m picturing that scene in Moneyball where Beane gets played in a similar manner in his kitchen. Man, I love that movie.

George Vander Buist
1 year 6 months ago

Book was way better

Damon Bowman
1 year 6 months ago

I love baseball and the inner workings of the game, but that movie was dull as week-old dishwater.

Pingston
1 year 6 months ago

But the Jays don’t trust Wilner with anything they don’t want known. He often claims absolute certainty only to have the opposite happen within 24 hours. That said, it’s unlikely anyone will tip their hand from any team which feels they have a chance. There’s some chess under way. The Blue Jays — I anticipate, don’t know — may even sign two pitchers, then bundle some of their players without options and a surplus pitcher (e.g. Romero) or two for other pieces (for depth, back-up or just adding to the Bisons). Signing free agents adds depth and costs only money. AA knows how risky it’s been to wait late and what his shopping list really looks like — I suspect that’s info no one is privy to beyond a tight inner circle — and I suspect he’s less nervous than we are.

As for Wilner, with Morris and Hayhurst out the door, is a promotion coming? One frets that, but at least he has a grasp on team history. I’d prefer Sportsnet add gravitas with a Jeff Blair or similar quality credential to handle the booth work. Sam Cosentino would work for me. But if not a journalist, bring in another ex-Jay to work alongside and spell legendary Jerry Howarth.

PJaysW
1 year 6 months ago

you prefer cosentino to Wilner? I’d much rather have Mike’s brand of snark and evidence based analysis than Cosentino’s feelings.

malna
1 year 6 months ago

Oh my

I have never once heard someone say they think Sam Cosentino is okay for baseball reporting. He brings all Blue Jays broadcasts down significantly, in every medium he touches.

JamieFC
1 year 6 months ago

That’s not actual news. If he says something about a transaction or a developing transaction, he is nearly always right.

BrettLawriesnewesttattoo
1 year 6 months ago

Example? I can’t think of an occasion when he broke news. Maybe I’m wrong but since the Jays front office is so tight lipped it seems that almost all the breaking news comes from agents leaking stuff to national media.

malna
1 year 6 months ago

Honestly, you don’t listen to the radio enough. Which i can totally agree with, being a child of the modern tech era.

Mike Wilner breaks Blue Jays news on almost a daily basis in season.

ice_hawk10
1 year 6 months ago

Other reporters shooting it down does not make him wrong – why would they be any more reliable than he is? He sounded very convinced and apparently heard it from multiple sources. And look where Baker signed, there wasn’t a contender that could have used a versatile lefty-masher?

Lucas Kschischang
1 year 6 months ago

Wilner is pretty awful – When it comes to transaction news regarding the Jays, Bob Elliott is (usually) far and away the best.

BrettLawriesnewesttattoo
1 year 6 months ago

Yeah I agree with that. Elliot seems to have contacts beyond Jays staff/roster. Wilner is a smarter analyst than Elliot, but Elliot is a good reporter. I don’t really consider Wilner a reporter either… He’s a commentator.

1 year 6 months ago

What? Elliott is easily the worst. So many half-baked “anonymous NL scout” things. You believe it when you hear it from Davidi and Nicholson-Smith. Otherwise, it’s murky.

BrettLawriesnewesttattoo
1 year 6 months ago

Tired of trolling the comments of your own blog?

malna
1 year 6 months ago

Agreed. Elliott is terrible.

Jays FO doesn’t leak and unless it is official via the two you mentioned (edit: davidi and nicholson-smith), it probably hasn’t happened or is in the process of being leaked by Riccardi in NY.

Charles Kime
1 year 6 months ago

Doesn’t matter who is a better reporter – that doesn’t get your team to the playoffs, which is the only thing that does matter. Just give up the 49th pick and sign Santana. What is AA waiting for ? He already has the worst farm system in the AL East, with four former Jays prospects on the MLB top 100 prospects list vs. only three actual Jays prospects there. A 49th pick isn’t going to change that. Now he’s going to let The O’s sign Santana from under his nose ?

malna
1 year 6 months ago

Did you mean to respond to me? Your reply has nothing to do with my comment…..

pft2
1 year 6 months ago

Orioles just bluffing to fool their fans into thinking they are trying. I see Santana with the Blue Jays

Nacho Tan Sandy Cabbage
1 year 6 months ago

There is no bluffing. We know their not.

Matt Mccarron
1 year 6 months ago

Jays will get him, I think. Giving up ur 46th overall pick isn’t that big of a deal.

MB923
1 year 6 months ago

My guess is the Orioles

Harrison
1 year 6 months ago

I certainly hope not.

Matt Mccarron
1 year 6 months ago

I think it would be best for everyone if he signs elsewhere. I think the Mariners are a good fit, him and Cruz would make them a contender. Santana has a homer problem, adding him into the NL East where almost every time he score 10 runs a game on bad pitching is a baddd idea for the Orioles.

kcmark
1 year 6 months ago

Get that contract signed Erv… you can be in Surprise by Friday when pitchers and catchers report!!

brian310
1 year 6 months ago

My guess is White Sox but I hope I’m wrong

ImDaBaron
ImDaBaron
1 year 6 months ago

Please no

Matt Mccarron
1 year 6 months ago

They are rebuilding, doubt its them. Jays, Orioles and Angels seem reasonable. Angels less likely then the others.

ImDaBaron
ImDaBaron
1 year 6 months ago

They were actually a team that was in contact with Santana’s agent….the probability is low…but still..

Matt Mccarron
1 year 6 months ago

It just doesn’t make sense for them to trade Santiago and Reed then go after a top FA. Not like Reed and Santiago were payroll commitments..

ImDaBaron
ImDaBaron
1 year 6 months ago

I absolutely agree…along with surrendering a draft pick.

brian310
1 year 6 months ago

I’ve seen them connected in the past couple days thats why I threw it out there but that doesn’t mean I want him

Nathan Boley
1 year 6 months ago

Gotta be the Orioles, that fanbase is dying for a big move.

Riaaaaaa
1 year 6 months ago

I’ll be happy as long as its not the Yankees.

Derpington
1 year 6 months ago

In related news, the Orioles dropped their pursuit of Santana after hearing he stubbed his toe.

snowbladerp14
1 year 6 months ago

these jokes are really old

Derpington
1 year 6 months ago

Ok here’s a new one: The Baltimore Orioles

snowbladerp14
1 year 6 months ago

who is your team

Jeremy
1 year 6 months ago

I like how you dont deny it.

snowbladerp14
1 year 6 months ago

I mean they have been more relevant than a lot of teams the last 2 years. especially your jays

Derpington
1 year 6 months ago

Orioles didn’t get any better than they were last year even if they sign ubaldo or santana

Jeremy
1 year 6 months ago

2012 their Pythagorean record was 82-80, it was a fluke they made the playoffs, in 2013 they showed they had a solid core, but instead of taking advantage of that the Orioles have stood by and did nothing this whole offseason, even after getting rid of their closer.

Guest
1 year 6 months ago

I always hated the Pythagorean method in high school

MB923
1 year 6 months ago

And last year in March, your fan base called your team a playoff team and WS contenders.

Pingston
1 year 6 months ago

It wasn’t the fanbase that did so first. They followed the international media on that assessment. You can look it up. It was obviously premature — the games have to be played. Then injuries took out pitchers, SS, 3B, LF, RF, CF, etc. So right now the team is far better than they averaged in 2013 just by removing JJ and JP and getting healthy. Having healthy Lawrie, Reyes and Melky to start year will make April better.

Pingston
1 year 6 months ago

It wasn’t the fanbase that did so first. They followed the international media on that assessment. You can look it up. It was obviously premature — the games have to be played. Then injuries took out pitchers, SS, 3B, LF, RF, CF, etc. So right now the team is far better than they averaged in 2013 just by removing JJ and JP and getting healthy. Having healthy Lawrie, Reyes and Melky to start year will make April better.

Derpington
1 year 6 months ago

Ha… “relevant”

Jeremy
1 year 6 months ago

They wont be old until next year at the latest.

SteveF
1 year 6 months ago

Lets Go O’s!!

Seamaholic
1 year 6 months ago

Ubaldo to Jays, Santana to O’ s. This has seemed inevitable for a while.

Metsfan93
1 year 6 months ago

I hope it’s the other way around, although I wouldn’t mind Toronto being good. I think Ubaldo is the far better pitcher of the two.

Harrison
1 year 6 months ago

Honestly, I hope the Orioles don’t sign either of them. Neither is worth a mid-first round draft pick and a big money multi-year deal.

Manny Being Manny
1 year 6 months ago

At this point, giving up the first round pick might be worth it just to settle down the fans. I can’t imagine the ticket sales are looking great since they rose prices and have done nothing this offseason, but signing somebody can give the fans confidence to come to the park.

Harrison
1 year 6 months ago

Well-run organizations shouldn’t squander first round picks in good draft years on so-so players that come loaded with question marks. If FO people around baseball really believed that either guy was an impact talent worth the pick and the money, they wouldn’t be scrounging for jobs a few days before pitchers and catchers report.

Manny Being Manny
1 year 6 months ago

Draft picks are overrated. Theres only a 50% chance that a guy drafted in the 2nd half of the first round ever even makes the majors… while the alternative is getting a legit #2-3 pitcher that the team desperately needs. I’ll take the risk to sign Santana over hoping that the player we draft actually becomes something of value.

snowbladerp14
1 year 6 months ago

3 bad years 6 good years. I take the risk because you dont have time on your side with losing wieters and davis soon

Harrison
1 year 6 months ago

Santana pitched to a 5.16 ERA while leading the world in HRs allowed the year before last, and he’s posted ERAs over 5.00 in 3 of the last 7 years. He seems to a roughly 50/50 shot as well.

TheRealRyan
1 year 6 months ago

Santana had an incredibly flukish HR/FB rate of 18.9% in 2012. I think the HR issue is not nearly as bad as you make it sound. He has become much better at getting ground balls than earlier in his career and the last three years he has had a GB% above 43% each season. Last year his HR/FB rate was still above his career norm at 12.4%, but his HR/9 were a much more manageable 1.11.

Santana ranks 37th in ERA and 51st in xFIP over the last 3 years. He might not be an ace, but he is a very solid MOR arm that has averaged 206 IP the last 3 years.

northsfbay
1 year 6 months ago

You can’t fill every position with trades and free agents. You need help from the farm system.

snowbladerp14
1 year 6 months ago

I dont think pleasing the fan base is ever a good reason to sign a player but I do believe if we get the 2013 santana he could be a real difference maker for the orioles.

Harrison
1 year 6 months ago

But which Santana will show up- the excellent 2013 version or the abysmal 2012 version with the 5.16 ERA that led the majors in HRs allowed?

snowbladerp14
1 year 6 months ago

I think you have to roll the dice with only having 2 years left of davis and wieters

Harrison
1 year 6 months ago

Not me. Not for a guy that’s posted ERAs over 5.00 in 3 of the last 7 years. I’ll keep my draft pick, and fortunately, I expect DD to do the same.

malna
1 year 6 months ago

What is with the arbitrary cut-off point of “the last 7 years”? Santana has been pitching for the last 9 years….

gson
1 year 6 months ago

switch out “Santana” with Ubaldo.. and the same sympathy (?) applies…

TD272
1 year 6 months ago

C’mon, they’ve signed Jack Cust and Matt LaPorta. What more do you want?

rundmc1981
1 year 6 months ago

Agreed to a point. My team, ATL, would do far better with the draft pick because of the advanced scouting than most other teams. And when considering how bad the FA signings for the team have been recently, I’ll side with not giving up a pick for a FA – though it’ll undoubtedly take longer for anything to come to fruition, if ever.

pinsolera
1 year 6 months ago

In all honesty, a 3.24 ERA is not too bad, although if Ervin can get into the 2’s for an ERA, that would be very nice for any team he’ll receive a deal with. I would agree to pick him up because with that type of performance and only letting up an average of three runs per game, most teams can make up three runs in game and more. This article would suit those who love baseball and want to keep up with the times of baseball. My question the writer Charlie Wilmoth is what is Ervin’s demeanor like? An athlete can have exceptional performance, but if he lets his temper loose and is not a team player, it doesn’t matter what their performance is; they won’t last long.

northsfbay
1 year 6 months ago

Can he stay healthy.

MB923
1 year 6 months ago

Cause of the draft pick and the $? Because they certainly need rotation improvement.

Harrison
1 year 6 months ago

The draft pick and the fact that he’s a HR machine. OPACY is not a great home park for the guy at all.

MB923
1 year 6 months ago

Good points, though if he’s asking for a contract similar to or slightly more than Arroyo (AAV wise that is), I think it’s a risk the O’s should take.

Harrison
1 year 6 months ago

It’s certainly a tough call if we’re only talking about $10-12 million per, but I *think* I’d rather keep the pick and sign a guy like Capuano. The Orioles’ inability to draft and develop anything at all for so long was a large part of why the team wallowed in muck for 14 years, and I have a great deal of faith in the work Duquette’s done to overhaul the drafting and development departments since arriving in Baltimore. The early results look pretty darn good at least.

Ivan
1 year 6 months ago

Capuano would get killed in the AL East, and I like Cappy!

MB923
1 year 6 months ago

Good points, though if he’s asking for a contract similar to or slightly more than Arroyo (AAV wise that is), I think it’s a risk the O’s should take.

Harrison
1 year 6 months ago

I’d rather keep building towards the future than sign a guy that completely forgets how to pitch every year or two.

snowbladerp14
1 year 6 months ago

I think last years version of santana makes them a serious contender though and at some point you have to pull the trigger and make the final push

Harrison
1 year 6 months ago

If he shows up. If 2012’s version shows up, you might as well be throwing Zach Britton or Steve Johnson out there. I’d rather have Capuano to be perfectly honest. The rotation could use a second solid lefty.

Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
1 year 6 months ago

What someone else joining the Capuano bandwagon?
Stunning!

snowbladerp14
1 year 6 months ago

never pitched in the AL let alone the AL east

Harrison
1 year 6 months ago

Santana has spent his career giving up tons of HRs in pitcher-friendly parks. In OPACY, he may challenge for records.

Capuano’s got good stuff. It’ll translate.

snowbladerp14
1 year 6 months ago

We need a pitcher who can give us a sub 3.75 era and pitch 200+ innings Capuano wouldnt be a bad pick up but he doesnt fit that. It is quite possible santana doesnt give us that either but he is more capable

Harrison
1 year 6 months ago

We do need that. Unfortunately, none of the remaining pitchers on the market can be reliably counted on for that. If we’re going to go with a “take a shot” kind of guy, I’d much rather go with the one that doesn’t cost a first round pick.

ImDaBaron
ImDaBaron
1 year 6 months ago

Harrison is right about Santana….his fastball has a habit of leaving the park quite often.

snowbladerp14
1 year 6 months ago

We need a pitcher who can give us a sub 3.75 era and pitch 200+ innings Capuano wouldnt be a bad pick up but he doesnt fit that. It is quite possible santana doesnt give us that either but he is more capable

Harrison
1 year 6 months ago

I’ve wanted Capuano for several years. Dude’s solid.

Guest
1 year 6 months ago

Capuano is the reverse of santana 6 bad years to 3 good years.

snowbladerp14
1 year 6 months ago

ill take 2012 version of Capuano not 2013

Manny Being Manny
1 year 6 months ago

The O’s window is these next 2 years. After that, we most likely lose both Davis and Wieters… we need to try to win now, not put it off until later.

Harrison
1 year 6 months ago

Squandering draft picks was a large part of the reason the O’s were so bad for so long, and wasting one for a guy that posts ERAs over 5.00 almost 50% of the time isn’t my idea of a smart move. I’d much rather sign a solid veteran guy like Capuano.

malna
1 year 6 months ago

As a jays fan i would love it if the O’s signed capuano. He will get nailed hard in the AL East…

Harrison
1 year 6 months ago

ERAs over 5.00 in 3 of the last 7 years, and he’s given up a ton of homers in parks that are generally considered pitcher-friendly in LA and KC. I wouldn’t expect great results in a top 5 HR park like OPACY.

BrettLawriesnewesttattoo
1 year 6 months ago

So the burden is on others to disprove Jeff Baker is not what an anonymously sourced tweet from the blue jays radio scoreboard guy says?

Wilner isn’t a reporter. He’s wrong all the time on this stuff. He should leave the reporting to davidi, Lott and Elliott.

malna
1 year 6 months ago

Wilner is very much so is a reporter. He has a blog, does the Jays talk, does interviews, does play by play for 3-6 innings per game, is on at least an hour a day on the radio elsewhere…. don’t know how much more of a reporter one can get.

BrettLawriesnewesttattoo
1 year 6 months ago

having a blog doesn’t make you a reporter, nor does doing fluffy postgame interviews and hosting a call-in show. sports reporters like Rosenthal or this kid Chris Cotillo have contacts beyond the traditional PR song and dance.

pft2
1 year 6 months ago

Looking at Cotts I see 40% of MLB teams have a lower payroll than they did last year despite new TV money, so you would think some of these teams could afford to upgrade at SP’er, SS or a bat like Morales and Cruz.

Matt Mccarron
1 year 6 months ago

Morales cant find a job because hes tied to a draft pick. Cruz can’t because hes demanding too much money. Ubaldo just isn’t worth the risk. Santana is on and off with his pitching.

Harrison
1 year 6 months ago

Yup. There are plenty of good reasons why those 4 guys are unemployed a few days before pitchers and catchers report. I wouldn’t be shocked if one or more of them(Morales would be my guess) ends up waiting until after the draft in June to sign.

snowbladerp14
1 year 6 months ago

I bet after this year if you are 30 years+ you see a lot more of them accepting the qualifying offer

MB923
1 year 6 months ago

Hard to imagine that 40% includes the Yankees after they spent about $500 million in the offseason. $228 mil in 2013. Right now it looks like it stands at $194 mil or $203 mil (2 seperate sections for 2014 are shown, one says $194 mil, one says $203 mil). Still, it’s less than last year’s payroll

I think the same situation happened in 2009 when they spent almost $500 million on Sabathia, Burnett and Tex. They had a lot of $ coming off the books that year. In 2008 it was $209 million and in 2009 it was $201 million. Surprisingly of all the years they had a $200 million payroll (8 as of now, 9 if it reaches that in 2014), 2009 was the 2nd lowest ever.

Their highest payroll ever was apparently last year at $228 million.

Denny Doyle
1 year 6 months ago

Cots numbers don’t include 11mil for insurance and pension benefits, plus 5 mil for minor league call-ups (Both estimates). Plus teams make lots of moves between now and October. Numbers from ’13 include everything, ’14 numbers just contracts to date.

Meh Sheep
1 year 6 months ago

Not to mention they saved A-Rod’s money which goes back on for 2015.