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BG921
Sometimes I wonder how a team can be ran this poorly. Even when the Phillies were winning NL East titles, I always had feelings that they were doing a poor job internally. Amaro not only traded most all of the young pieces, but handed out bad extension after bad extension. The news with Wetzler and how they handled that situation just adds to countless other bad baseball decisions made by this front office over the past few years.
LazerTown
Honestly at least they aren’t the Mariners. Phillies at least could make noise if they healthy, really don’t know what Mariners are aiming for.
johnsilver
How many ST camps is Bazooka Joe hovering around at now.. Awaiting the inevitable call for when his services are needed..
You watch.. He will be penciled into some MLB team’s rotation before ST is over.
Ryan Hi.
Who are you talking about?
LazerTown
Joe Saunders.
start_wearing_purple
It seems to me that there was a system in the draft. Players quietly get an “advisor” also known as their future agent, teams accept don’t care, the NCAA accepts that this is the way of things, and finally a mutually beneficial arrangement is reached. The Phils violated the status quo with Wetzler. My guess is agents will force them pay through the nose.
johnsilver
Most here know my feelings regarding aggressive agents/agencies (Boras as an example), but I think 18-23YO kids absolutely should be able to have someone help them with getting possibly monetary advice about either going to school, or signing with a team. It is NO different than going to a stock broker as an example.
Schools and teams are playing with the livelihoods of young kids here and it is wrong.There is no one against trivial litigation more than myself, but this should be brought to a resolution IMO. It is WRONG and I think it could be thrown out in a court of law.
stl_cards16
They are allowed to get advice, that’s why they are allowed to have advisors. The advisors are not allowed in actual negotiations. That’s not enough, though. You cannot expect a young man with no experience in negotiating a contract to sit down with professionals who negotiate contracts for a living. I’m really not sure why a team would even want to be in serious negotiations with someone who has no idea how to execute a contract.
Jeff Todd
I’m no authority here, but the general line among those who are is that teams don’t want to negotiate directly with players and their parents. They would rather work with agents. It is the NCAA that wishes to maintain the pristine facade of amateurism.
LazerTown
Yet the NCAA is just rolling in money.
stl_cards16
Agreed. That’s why I’m really confused about why the Phillies did not like it. I still think there has to be more to this story.
johnsilver
So they are allowed to have someone.. Like an agent to talk to, just not actually be there when they are talking dollars and cents?
Phillyfan425
Yea. It’s why the distinction is made between “advisor” and “agent”. The thought behind it is that the “advisor” can tell the kids, “This is what you should ask for, and this is what you should settle for. If you don’t get it, go back to school” – and send the kid into negotiations by himself.
Phillyfan425
It was already brought to court. And resolved. About 5 years ago.
A kid named Andy Oliver sued the NCAA, won, and then the NCAA appealed the case. It would have dragged the process out for 3-5 years had the kid continued the suit. But he didn’t want to (because at 22, he understandably wanted to get on with his baseball career) – and settled for $750,000.
Mikenmn
All sides need to negotiate a new arrangement. The NCAA should acknowledge that this is a business and the players have a right to representation.
ztoa
Bizzaro Philly? Youngest players headed to the DL and their Oldest running around like spring chickens.
Mikenmn
I have no idea why my previous post was deleted, since it was inoffensive. What I said was that the MLB and the NCAA were immensely powerful, and most of these kids, and they are kids, are unsophisticated and in need of counsel. No rational adult would likely want to go into a negotiation on a six or seven figure deal without help, and a teenager surely shouldn’t have to. The gentleman’s agreement that had these things quietly going on for years, and was good for MLB and the NCAA, is something I would imagine that the Phillie’s drew too much attention to, and I expect that there are more than a few teams quietly unhappy with Amaro and Co because they broke ranks.
pft2
MLB’s monopoly, which is pretty much allowed to continue by Congress, really should come with some oversight. Ethics seems to be in short supply as the Biogenesis investigation showed . I mean, why should any MLB owner complain that a kid has representation. I hope this hurts the Phillies chances of landing future draft picks. NCAA is also a big problem since if the kid had representation from the start they Phillies probably don’t waste a pick.
Phillyfan425
What the Phillies did will possibly hurt them (in the short term). Not even sure how much though because if you are an agent/advisor, and you’re telling your client “we’re going to turn down this $400,000 offer simply out of spite” – you’re a terrible agent who’s hurting you’re client.
In the long run, I hope this helps address the real problem that is the NCAA’s no-agent rule. Maybe the MLBPA will finally get involved and take on the NCAA (the NCAA already lost this ruling in court, but the player filing the suit didn’t want to go through the appeals process, so he settled).
dalekj
I know this is easy for my to say as I lie in my bed with exactly 0 odds of ever playing even minor league baseball, but after what Amaro did if I was a kid entering the draft or the parent of a kid entering the draft I’d contact the Phillies and let them know that unless they’re prepared to offer me something widely above slot value with a guaranteed spot on the 40 man to not even bother drafting me.
flyerzfan12
Easier to say if you’re a high schooler or underclassman but if you’re a senior, congrats on missing out on professional baseball and have fun in the real world.
richrecruiter
Great insight from a Stanford graduate – “sometimes anatomy is just anatomy”
Damon Bowman
It probably won’t happen, but somebody on the medical side of the Phillies organization needs to answer for a few things. I’m not talking about injuries that crop up during Spring Training. This is now the 3rd year in a row that a top starting player has shown up to Clearwater with lingering medical issues that appear to have been a surprise to the organization. Two years ago it was Howard’s heel not healing properly. Last year it was Utley showing up saying his knees needed some time to get right . This year Hamels comes to town saying he hasn’t been able to properly work out since the season ended because of discomfort in his shoulder. How can you invest hundreds of millions of dollars in individual players and not keep closer tabs on them during the offseason as they recover from surgeries?
Kevin D.
Why the mentioning of pressuring kids to accept below slot value in this article. I’ve read other articles saying the Phillies offered him ABOVE slot value, he verbally agreed to the deal then backed out after he was drafted. Didn’t sound to me like they were trying to short change the kid.