Seven Teams Watch Johan Santana Throwing Session

TODAY: Jon Heyman of provides a list of the other clubs who sent representatives to watch Santana: the Phillies, Blue Jays, Pirates, and Rangers. Scouts in attendance told Heyman that Santana still needs to build his arm strength back up, but looked to be in great shape and threw as expected given his point on the recovery curve.

YESTERDAY, 5:40pm: The Orioles were among the teams to see Santana, tweets Eduardo Encina of the Baltimore Sun. The club could be interested in bringing him in on a minor league deal, says Encina.

3:26pm: Throwing in Fort Myers today, rehabbing starter Johan Santana showed his current form to seven teams, reports George A. King III of the New York Post. Santana mostly threw in the high-70s, topping out at just 81 mph, though he did flash his usually phenomenal change.

Though those numbers sound less than promising, the workout comes very early on in the process for Santana to regain strength on the mound following a second shoulder surgery, reports Mike Berardino of the St. Paul Pioneer Press. Indeed, a mid-season return has always been the early target for Santana. Agent Peter Greenberg said there is no "firm date," with Santana committed to "tak[ing] it conservatively this time" and "not rushing things."

Per the above two reports, both the Yankees and Twins were among the teams with scouts in attendance. 

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  1. WhoKilledTheRallyMonkey 1 year ago

    If his FB tops out at 81 MPH now, is his change really phenomenal anymore? When he was good his FB sat at 90 MPH, and his Change sat around 81 MPH. Its going to be hard to get that type of differential throwing a FB in the low 80s.

    • RyanWKrol 1 year ago

      He’s a ways away from where he needs to be to return. What still concerns me though is if he still does regain at least 90 on his fastball, is it enough to avoid the HR ball? That’s actually the one thing that was setting him back when he first returned in 2012. League average WHIP but a 4.85 ERA. Because HR rate jumped and had one more than 2011 in 82 fewer IP. He still may be the bargain of the season. We’ll see.

      • WhoKilledTheRallyMonkey 1 year ago

        In 2012 Johan’s ERA was 4.85 but his FIP was 4.09 (league average was 4.01) and his HR/9 was 1.31 (league average was 1.02) so I would say he was more of league average pitcher that was a victim of poor defense more than the HR ball.

        • RyanWKrol 1 year ago

          It was both. I wasn’t ignoring his FIP. Just starting the conversation. But looking further, he still had good years with HR rates that were right about the same as 2011. So yeah, FIP paints a clearer picture with Johann.

      • vigouge 1 year ago

        He was a different pitcher after he injured his leg in 2012. He was fine beforehand, he had to nibble more but otherwise was very good, it was really only his last few start before being shut down that he was a bad pitcher.

  2. Brian Baker 1 year ago

    FB tops out at 81. Ruben Amaro offers him a 6 year deal.

  3. RyanWKrol 1 year ago

    81? 70’s to 81. I was hitting that at age 15. Of course, this just tells us how far he has yet to go. Don’t judge him on this workout necessarily. He’s not due back until June. When that time comes, the team that signs him may or may not have a low risk incentive; bargain of the season. I hope the Angels are there to see if they can replace the Mulder incident. I can see the Rangers being there, as well as the Indians. Perhaps the Royals and Yankees. Braves? Nationals? Dodgers again! Probably teams that can use one more starter for depth, plus the Dodgers.

    Didn’t see that the Yankees and Twins were there at first.

    • Maxxx Depth 1 year ago

      I can see the Rangers in on him. He scares me with his Consistency from year to year. But he does have upside….and we need 2+ starters IMO.

      • WhoKilledTheRallyMonkey 1 year ago

        Johan Santana for 4/50….. please do it Texas- Angels Fan

        • Maxxx Depth 1 year ago

          lmao i somehow got him confused with Santana Ervin

        • Maxxx Depth 1 year ago

          Ha!! Somehow i got him confused with Ervin

          • Maxxx Depth 1 year ago

            I was thinking…Erv can’t break into the mid 80’s???No wonder he hasn’t been signed yet.

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    • Maxxx Depth 1 year ago

      On the Mulder deal….do most teams do agility drills for the pitching staff? I threw in College and don’t see where a starter would benefit much from that…i understand a position player though.

    • Anthony 1 year ago

      “Don’t judge him on this workout necessarily.” True. But it makes me wonder why he worked if this was the result. Might he have waited? What do teams have to go on? Faith that he may crank up the speed on the fast ball?

  4. Lefty_Orioles_Fan 1 year ago

    Doc Halladay retired with better stuff.
    Not much better, but better.
    Even if he was throwing ‘free and easy’, Johan has lost all his power.

    • ea19 1 year ago

      He is NOT EVEN CLOSE to ready yet!! Wait until June or July and then make your judgements

    • Santana hasn’t pitched since August of 2012 and Halladay missed most of 2013. What are you using to gauge the idea that Halladay’s stuff was not much better?

  5. WhoKilledTheRallyMonkey 1 year ago

    I wonder which Santana will sign first….. probably Johan at this point.

    • EightMileCats 1 year ago

      If Ervin is still asking for $100mm over 5 seasons… It would have to be Johan

  6. Cabro Epico 1 year ago

    That phenomenal change better be around 68 mph if he doesn’t want to get lighted up

  7. YankeeFan™ 1 year ago

    that better be a 81mph changeup

    • Charlie Burns 1 year ago

      To be fair, he is still just starting up into recovering his strength fully.

    • Charlie Burns 1 year ago

      To be fair, he is still just starting up into recovering his strength fully.

  8. TheCubsFan 1 year ago

    If Johan can get his fastball back up to 87-90, Theo/Jed should take a look. If their willing to give Hammel 6 mil for a possible B/C prospect return at the deadline.. why not sign Johan in May for 2 years/10 mil. Worst case scenario, he has similar numbers to E-jax and best return is a B/C prospect.. food for thought..

    • LazerTown 1 year ago

      Thats a bit much. There is no way his worst case is E-Jax. He had a major injury.

    • Jman1213 1 year ago

      2 yr/$10 mil? This is a joke, right?

    • Worst case under that is that he gets DFA’d and they lose 10 million. Which shouldn’t be a problem since the chances of him getting a multiyear deal are zero.

    • WhoKilledTheRallyMonkey 1 year ago

      Worst case he’s 2011/2013 Johan and doesn’t throw a single pitch. That’s a lot worse than E-Jax.

    • GoRav114 1 year ago

      2/10 is too much, I would expect he signs a minor league deal.

  9. Jake13 1 year ago

    Detroit is looking for a #6 starter, he sounds like he is nothing more at this point.

    • EightMileCats 1 year ago

      Detroit ought to be looking for another solid reliever to offset Joba if he continues to be as bad as he has been

    • EightMileCats 1 year ago

      Detroit ought to be looking for another solid reliever to offset Joba if he continues to be as bad as he has been

  10. Jman1213 1 year ago

    If the velocity doesn’t get up to at least the high-80’s, it’s time for Johan to call it a day.

    • vigouge 1 year ago

      He should get close to that. It sounds as if he’s at the same pace of recovery this time as he was the last. At the end of the 2011 season he rehabbing and in the upper 70’s, low 80’s so this report sounds about right. If his rehab goes well he’ll probably end up in the 86-88 range as he did before.

  11. MadmanTX 1 year ago

    At that speed, might as well learn to start throwing a knuckleball.

  12. Jose Batista 1 year ago

    81 mph yeah that’s bad. I mean 88 you can do with but 81 no chance hitters would love hitting against him.

    • ed27 1 year ago

      I agree, it is a very long shot but it is early in the process. He has to get up to high 80’s in the next month or two to get a contract. He certainly knows how to pitch and can probably be of some value to a team making a playoff run as a #5 starter if he can throw 88MPH and get movement on the ball.

  13. WhoKilledTheRallyMonkey 1 year ago

    I know this is an overplayed issue this year but…… come on, Johan will never pass the O’s physical

    • The_Artist_Formerly_OFIC 1 year ago

      for a minor league deal he would certainly

      • WhoKilledTheRallyMonkey 1 year ago

        maybe but his arm has to be in terrible shape if he can’t top 81 MPH.

    • johnsilver 1 year ago

      If they just want a minor league SP to stash at AAA with ANY upside, why not Dontrelle Willis, Bazooka Joe, Bonderman.. The 1st 2 have a chance to help at least and bonderman can even eat innings, plus none are injured.

      Santana sounds like he is working in Jamie Moyer territory, with no proof that he will ever get any increase in velocity. He was really a 2 pitch pitcher before when he was healthy, because both were so good.

      I’d be wary of getting into any bidding war over this guy with regards to a 40 man roster spot, even guaranteed money beyond half a million.

  14. The_Artist_Formerly_OFIC 1 year ago

    Come on people… it’s early on in his rehab process. He has no arm strength. I’m sure he doesn’t expect to throw int he 70s in MLB… durrr.. drool

    • WhoKilledTheRallyMonkey 1 year ago

      Plenty of pitchers have tried. Barry Zito did it for 7 years, Jamie Moyer did it for 5 years (in the PITCHf/x era).

    • Marc_from_Brooklyn 1 year ago

      I would think his big concerns are throwing “free and easy” (as they say), not having the discomfort he had in January, and feeling good in the next few days and weeks. If those criteria are met, he can build up arm strength and look to pitch mid-season. He is less than 11 months from surgery that has an uncertain timetable. If he feels 100% and is full strength in July but can only hit 81 or still doesn’t feel right at that point, then we can talk about him being done.

  15. Nathan Justice 1 year ago

    Shoulder issues are never a good thing. He may be done.

  16. Sonny Peyton 1 year ago

    maybe the cards will take a look, with Garcia hurting and maybe missing 4 a while.

  17. JJ 1 year ago

    I can throw 85mph. Can I get 1 million?

  18. BG921 1 year ago

    I’m pretty sure Johan was just showing teams he can throw without pain at this point. it was a showcase. He wasn’t going 100% and giving his all and the article even said he’s not “rushing things” at the moment. If he can keep getting his velocity up, he’d been a nice addition to a team later on. Heck, he could go back to being a lefty out of the pen if his change-up is still nasty.

    • paqza 1 year ago

      Pedro Feliciano averaged 83.5 MPH on his fastball last year and he got some people out. If Santana can get it into the 87-88 range, he could be a #5 somewhere.

  19. Brandon Mason 1 year ago

    Johan was one of the best pitchers in baseball. It sucks that he’s been injured the last couple of years.

  20. LittleOtterPaws 1 year ago

    implying that santana could pass the toughest physical in the majors

  21. Giants55 1 year ago

    Barely Zito

  22. Daniel Morairity 1 year ago

    Please johan sign with the rangers please

  23. Tigers72 1 year ago

    C’mon Johan become the Tigers second lefty reliever.

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