NL Notes: Preller, Byrd, Cubs, Beckett, Anderson

We read many reports about who was being considered and moved forward in the Padres‘ search for a new general manager, but MLB.com’s Corey Brock provides some more details on what was happening behind the scenes. Give his piece a read to see what led San Diego to choose A.J. Preller to take the helms of the club’s baseball decisionmaking. In other executive chatter, Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic profiles Diamondbacks scouting director Ray Montgomery, who was one of the candidates for the game’s latest GM opening.

Here’s more from the National League:

  • Phillies outfielder Marlon Byrd has apparently been pulled back from revocable waivers after being claimed by an as-yet-unidentified team, as he played tonight for Philadelphia. Reports suggested Byrd was claimed on or before Wednesday, and the 48.5 hour window to complete a transaction (or withdraw the claimed player) would have expired by now.
  • The Cubs, meanwhile, were unable to work out a deal for Phillies starter Cole Hamels, who was also withdrawn from waivers by Philadelphia. But, as Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune writes, the move to claim Hamels showed a new willingness to spend that could tell in the coming months. And missing on the veteran lefty did not stop the club from adding an arm, with Jacob Turner coming in from Miami in exchange for a pair of relievers who have yet to advance past High-A and are both his elder. President Theo Epstein’s comments indicated what many expected he was thinking: “We’ve had some success with talented pitchers who were going through tough periods. Getting them here, let them re-set a little. … We’re hopeful that will happen with Jacob. … Between now and next spring training there are things we can work on.”
  • Dodgers starter Josh Beckett could be out for the year, writes Ken Gurnick of MLB.com, though manager Don Mattingly expressed optimism that the righty would make his way back. Either way, his uncertain contribution going forward would appear to support GM Ned Colletti’s statement from earlier today that the team was still looking to add an arm.
  • The Rockies are awaiting word on the severity of a back injury to oft-DL’ed starter Brett Anderson, reports Patrick Saunders of the Denver Post. Colorado is worried that Anderson will be out the rest of the year. Though he’s been out with a variety of other issues in the past, the back problem is a new one. The 26-year-old lefty has been effective when healthy, but his 2.91 ERA this year has come over just 43 1/3 innings. The Rockies face a tough call on whether to exercise a $12MM option for Anderson for 2015.


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51 Comments on "NL Notes: Preller, Byrd, Cubs, Beckett, Anderson"


dylanp5030
1 year 20 days ago

I don’t see how claiming Hamels shows a willingness to spend. There was a 0% chance Phillies were going to just let him go, and the Cubs weren’t going to trade their top prospects for him. The Cubs claimed him knowing that it would look like they want to spend money on a pitcher, yet they wouldn’t have to spend a cent.

Cuso
1 year 20 days ago

That’s a tad too Machiavellian. They wouldn’t claim him for “appearances.” They are very likely to make a hard charge for Lester and/or Scherzer this offseason (the latter being my bet). They would’ve probably taken the whole salary for Hamels and traded anyone not named Bryant, Soler or Russell.

dylanp5030
1 year 19 days ago

You could be right, and I do think they will make big offers to pitchers. However, I find claiming Hamels is no indication of that. I don’t see the connection like the writer does.

xcal1br
1 year 20 days ago

I think you are partially correct. The Cubs front office likely did make the claim strictly as a PR move to appease fans. However, there was no harm in the move because no other team was going to give the Phils what they were asking for Hamels any way. If the other teams were willing to pay that kings ransom, they would have done so before the deadline passed.

Philadelphia is just asking for more than other teams are willing to give (justifiably I might add).

Richard Hood
1 year 20 days ago

I personally think it was a message to what ever pitchers the Cubs go after in the offseason. Telling them we are going after pitching every way we can. The bats are almost ready and cupboard is far from bare. The Cubs could very well go back to the Phillies in the offseason as an option B or C when they can move a short stop a little easier.

dylanp5030
1 year 19 days ago

I agree for the most part. With Becketts injury, dodgers may have given up some top guys, but I still think a deal was highly unlikely.

Outin Left Field
1 year 20 days ago

What possible benefit was there for the Cubs to do that? Amaro has shown he overvalues his players so to me it seems like the Cubs wanted Hamels but Amaro isnt really interested in making any trades. one of the biggest payrolls and last place. If you are a Phillies fan you have to be hoping they fire Amaro soon.

Jeff Miller
1 year 20 days ago

Hamels is the guy you don’t budge much on though. He’s worth 1 great, 1 really good, 1 good and 1 lottery prospect given his performance, age and the length of his market value contract.

Though many Cubs fans seem to think that because their system is so deep the Phillies should just accept their 7th, 12th, 15th and 20th ranked prospects and be happy about it.

TwitchWasHere
1 year 20 days ago

To be fair, at least the top three of those four would instantly drop into Philly’s top 10 prospects, with CJ being being top three. That’d be one heck of a step up, considering RAJ’s usual track record for making trades.

Jeff Miller
1 year 20 days ago

I was just throwing out random numbers, not looking at any particular Cubs Top 20 prospect list.

Outin Left Field
1 year 20 days ago

Whats funny is the Cubs 7th,12th and 15th best prospects might be 1,2,3 in the Phillies system.

dylanp5030
1 year 19 days ago

Phillies have zero depth in their system, but their top 4-5 actually are pretty good. CJ is not the kind of centerpiece that warrants trading Hamels, tho.

Frank Richard
1 year 19 days ago

David Price is younger and making less money and the Rays got less for him why should Hamels be worth more. Hamels doesn’t own more value then Samardzija and Hammel combined and yet the haul you think he is worth would be more then the Cubs got for both.

flyerzfan12
flyerzfan12
1 year 19 days ago

Because Hamels is under contract/control longer and Price will be cheaper for 1 more season. And even that season, will only be a couple mil cheaper.

Eric
1 year 20 days ago

Anderson is averaging a whopping 51 innings pitched per year over the last four years. Declining that option is a no-brainer.

bigbadjohnny
1 year 20 days ago

Howard – $25 million
Lee – $25 million
Papelbon – $13 million
Utley – $15 million
Hamels – $23.5 million
Hard to move older players who have high salaries, injuries, NTC or/and have a list of teams that they are willing to be traded to.

Frank Richard
1 year 19 days ago

You forgot a 35 year old Jimmy Rollins making $11 million per year.

bigbadjohnny
1 year 19 days ago

That Rollins contract ends this year with an option in 2015……but again, Rollins is on the down side of his career.

Dodgersbaseballfan
1 year 20 days ago

This is where Chad Billingsley would be real helpful.

jeremy
1 year 20 days ago

i wonder if dodgers will give him a chance next season but on a new deal.

Sean
1 year 19 days ago

I hope so, pitching depth is crucial when so many of these guys go down with injuries every year.

1 year 19 days ago

The tough decision regarding Anderson is that the Rockies feel bad for trading for him. 12 million is way too much for a small market club considering his track record.

Mike1L
1 year 19 days ago

Probably true, but it wasn’t (at the time) a crazy gamble. He has a lot of talent, his contract for this year was a net $7.5M (with buyout and Oakland’s money) and pomeranz was erratic. if he had performed/stayed healthy, he could have been traded off-season to a team that could pay him and offer the QO

1 year 19 days ago

If he had performed/stayed healthy, his salary wouldn’t be much of an issue. They just can’t allocate a serious chunk of their salary to a player who rarely takes the field. It wasn’t and still isn’t a crazy gamble, but enough’s enough.

Ray Ray
1 year 19 days ago

The problem with your analysis is that the Rockies are not a small market club. The owners are just spending like it is a small market club, kind of like the Astros. The Rockies are in the top 10 in attendance almost every year.

1 year 19 days ago

It’s not really a problem. The Rockies aren’t going to jump into the top ten for payroll and where they are now is comparable to the other small market clubs. Denver is not a particularly large city.

Ray Ray
1 year 19 days ago

Sorry problem was a poor word choice. Denver is a comparatively small city, but the Rockies market is huge because they are the only game in town for Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Utah, New Mexico, and the western plains states. They have the potential for a much larger payroll with a change in ownership and a better TV deal in place. Both are among the worst in baseball.

1 year 19 days ago

I buy the logic that payroll could be higher, but much larger is a stretch. They have a competitive payroll as it is. An extra ten million takes them up to many contenders, but that wouldn’t really be a difference maker. The problem is that they’re not a particularly well run organization so flops like Anderson hurt more than they need to.

Mike1L
1 year 19 days ago

The Byrd situation, coupled with Hamels, should remind FO’s that’s it a lot easier to make a trade prior to the deadline than after it. You can pick your trading partners, you can explore options, and you can be creative in putting together a package. Of course, any GM (RA comes to mind) can ask too much for their players at any time, but the strategy of waiting until the last minute and or until someone has an emergent need isn’t quite as effective when you are dealing with only one team (perhaps not the one with the need) and have only 48 hours. Looks like the Phlillies are going to have to wait until the offseason

AKA_brotherfox
1 year 19 days ago

Condolences to Phillies fans on your GM.

Frank Richard
1 year 19 days ago

30 year old left handed pitcher with TOR stuff signed to a 4 year deal with a vesting 5th year at $23.5 million per year has value. Just not as much value as Phillies fans and RAJ think he has. Hamels contract brings his value down, plus next season he starts on the wrong side of 30, and the mileage already on his arm is high.

Frank Richard
1 year 19 days ago

Also the Cubs would probably rather pay Hamels the money and give the Phillies a lesser prospect then give up more and let the Phillies eat some of the contract.

1 year 19 days ago

Hamels is a battle tested ace who’s put up 4+ WAR seasons over the past 3 years. His contract most certainly does not bring him down. He earns his money.

Frank Richard
1 year 19 days ago

I’m not saying that he didn’t earn his money in free agency or that he doesn’t deserve top dollar. I’m saying in a trade the amount of money he is making hurts his value because you aren’t making much on your investment. Paying $18 million per year on +4 WAR gets you a higher return on your investment then $23.5 million. Also I’m not at all saying he isn’t a very good pitcher he just simply isn’t worth more then the Cubs received for both Hammel and Samardzija and that seems to be the asking price for him.

1 year 19 days ago

Where are you getting 18 million from?

Frank Richard
1 year 19 days ago

Just a number I threw out there.

1 year 19 days ago

I disagree as well with the notion that he’s not worth more than what Shark and Hammel brought in. Shark isn’t a playoff proven ace (some might argue he’s not a proven ace at all) and Hammel was a thrown in who’s regressed to career norms as many expected.

Hamels is locked in for four more years at a price that is fair given his contributions. That has tremendous value.

Frank Richard
1 year 19 days ago

I would have seen a fair package for Hamels as Russell, Vogelbach, and a low level high upside arm. Which would have given you a SS who is a top 10 prospect in all of baseball, a slugging first baseman who is in the Cubs top 10 prospects and a unknown arm to develop. That would be a more then fair offer.

flyerzfan12
flyerzfan12
1 year 19 days ago

Well at least you’re starting your offer with Russell which is more than some Cubs fans on these boards think Hamels is worth.

Frank Richard
1 year 19 days ago

The only real issue with that though is if I’m the Phillies I’m not looking even looking for 1 top tier prospect I would rather have depth in a trade because the farm is so bare. If the Cubs offer Vogelbach, Candelario, Black, and some low level arms I would jump on that if I’m the phillies. Because 1 prospect and filler isn’t gonna build a team. They need depth in the organization.

flyerzfan12
flyerzfan12
1 year 19 days ago

I agree and disagree. 1 prospect and filler is not going to build a team, but getting a handful of decent-good prospects for system depth isn’t necessarily better than getting 1 great prospect because that 1 great prospect has a much better chance of making it than the other prospects combined probably. It’s the quality vs quantity debate. And when it comes to prospects, I’ll almost always take quality over quantity (and that’s assuming that the quantity aren’t nearly as highly regarded as the 1 quality prospect)

Frank Richard
1 year 19 days ago

I agree that quality is more important then quantity. Which is why the names I suggested aren’t slouches either. In a deep farm system the names I said are highly thought of. Plus those high upside young arms can make or break a trade and the Cubs would be assuming more risk in this throw ins. I also might include one of those change of scenery guys like Brett Jackson or Josh Vitters.

bigbadjohnny
1 year 19 days ago

If any team wants Russell, who is not on the trade table anyway, would have to do better then offering a guy with a big contract with his best years behind him.

bigbadjohnny
1 year 19 days ago

Addison Russell is ranked #6 in MLB Prospects…..Billy Beane made a mistake letting him go……………Theo Epstein & Jed Hoyer will not make that same mistake.

Ernest
1 year 19 days ago

Hamels will be a Dodger by the end of this season with a ring World Series.

Jeff Miller
1 year 19 days ago

No chance.

Jeff Weissbuch
1 year 18 days ago

Hamels has zero chance now of being a dodger by the end of the season because of this claim. He can not be put back on waivers again

bigbadjohnny
1 year 19 days ago

That is politically incorrect to say these days.
Then again, we are talking about people from Philadelphia.

Frank Richard
1 year 19 days ago

No need for hostility just suggesting alternative solutions to the issue. The Cubs clearly didn’t want to part with their core guys but they have some pretty good talent just outside those core guys that would be near the top of many other farm systems and they Cubs know they are gonna need to buy or trade for pitching because right now they have very little to pair with the potential high powered offense.