Jon Heyman of CBS Sports kicks off his weekly Inside Baseball column by reporting that the Dodgers have “quietly continued having dialogue with the Phillies” regarding Cole Hamels. The Dodgers are also giving serious consideration to the rental market and prioritizing Johnny Cueto over others among such targets. The Dodgers “appear determined” to land a top-of-the-rotation arm to pair with Clayton Kershaw and Zack Greinke, writes Heyman, but most executives think they’ll hold onto top prospects Corey Seager and Julio Urias. The Dodgers have a deep farm system beyond that pairing (righty Jose De Leon has recently been ranked a Top 25 prospect by Baseball America and ESPN), and one exec tells Heyman that the Phillies’ asking price on Hamels has become “more reasonable” recently. The Dodgers feel that Greinke is a lock to opt out of his contract at the end of the season, and while they could possibly re-sign him by adding a year or two to the deal and upping his $24.5MM AAV, Hamels would provide insurance should Greinke sign elsewhere. Jeff Samardzija is also a consideration for the Dodgers, but while they like him, they consider him more of a No. 2/3 starter and don’t love him.
Some more highlights from Heyman’s article, though the synopsis won’t cover everything within the piece, so I’d highly recommend reading it in its entirety…
- The Braves will be deadline sellers, Heyman hears, with Jim Johnson, Juan Uribe and Cameron Maybin among the players that will be available to interested teams. Chris Johnson, too, continues to be available, but there are no takers for his contract, which Atlanta has aggressively tried to move in the past.
- With the Reds expected to trade so many veterans to other clubs, many in the industry expect the team to make a run at extending Todd Frazier beyond his current two-year deal, Heyman writes. (Frazier has one more year of arbitration following his current pact.) Jeff Todd and I have discussed Frazier’s situation on the MLBTR Podcast in the past (and will do so again this afternoon), and I’ve personally taken the stance that given the significant commitments to Joey Votto and Homer Bailey, the Reds could have a difficult time affording Frazier, whose 2014-15 breakout has hugely inflated his price tag. Given the lack of impact bats on the trade market, Frazier would net a king’s ransom and could rapidly expedite the rebuilding process, though the PR hit of trading him with so much control and on the heels of a Home Run Derby victory would of course be significant.
- In other Reds news, Heyman hears Mike Leake’s ground-ball tendencies are appealing to AL East clubs, and he’s drawn interest from the Blue Jays, Orioles and Red Sox in addition to the Royals, Dodgers, Rangers, Cubs and Giants. Manny Parra and Marlon Byrd are both “likely to go” as well.
- Asked about the possibility of signing with the Cubs this offseason due to his relationship with skipper Joe Maddon, Tigers ace David Price replied, “Wherever I play baseball next year it’s not going to be because of a manager.”
- The Astros are interested in both Cueto and Leake, and Houston seems willing to deal from its glut of MLB-ready outfield prospects, including Domingo Santana and Preston Tucker. (Previous reports have indicated they’re reluctant to part with Brett Phillips, however, who may be the best among the outfield bunch.)
- The Brewers are now showing a willingness to trade both Carlos Gomez and Jean Segura, Heyman hears. Though it was previously believed they were reluctant to move Segura, the emergence of Orlando Arcia (the younger brother of the Twins’ Oswaldo Arcia) may have changed Milwaukee’s thinking. However, Arcia himself is also drawing a huge amount of trade interest, and the Padres have called to express interest. One NL exec called him the best player he’s seen in the minors this year, while another comped him to Francisco Lindor, but said Arcia is better. Regarding Segura, Heyman hears that the Mets dislike his free-swinging approach.
- The Twins aren’t closed off to the idea of re-acquiring Gomez from the Brewers, but their primary focus at this point is bullpen help.
- The Mets are aiming high in their pursuit of an outfield bat and have both Gomez and Justin Upton on their radar. They’re not likely to add Aramis Ramirez from the Brewers unless they receive bad news on the prognosis of David Wright. They also have little interest in swinging a deal for Uribe.
- Padres officials insist that they haven’t determined their course of action heading into the deadline, but Heyman writes that free-agents-to-be such as Upton, Ian Kennedy, Joaquin Benoit and Will Venable could be traded regardless. James Shields’ backloaded contract limits his value, but one GM felt Benoit has “big value” and Heyman notes that Craig Kimbrel would be in huge demand as well, should the Padres try to recoup some value from that deal.
- Cueto, Samardzija and Leake are atop the Blue Jays’ wish list, and the team was also in talks with the Braves regarding Jason Grilli prior to his season-ending injury. A top starting pitcher is Toronto’s top priority at this point, says Heyman. He also adds that there’s no evidence to suggest that manager John Gibbons is on the hot seat.
Price is the same guy who supposedly said he’s intrigued of winning a WS with the Cubs. I’m sure he’s in for a huge payday, but all things being equal, he might prefer working for a guy he has respect for. If I’m the Cubs, and I don’t expect they will do this, I’m not spending big on a guy like Hamels or Cueto. Rather not give up the prospects on either just yet. Hitting has been their issue, more so than starting pitching.
Yes, Price likes the Cubs. But he gets asked about them all the time. He’s probably annoyed of it by now.
As for your Cubs consideration, they’re going to have to offer at least $200 million over 7 years to get him. The Max Scherzer deal is a likely benchmark for him. And why shouldn’t it be? He’s the same age as Scherzer was; he has better career numbers; and he could very easily win his second Cy Young award this year. I know the Cubs are targeting him, but can they afford him?
Yes, they can afford him. They just put up advertising in the outfield and will be getting a huge tv deal in the not to distant future. They will have a huge amount of money to play with.
If the Cubs can’t afford Price, then only about 4 teams can. The Cubs take in something like $120m in shared MLB media revenue before making a cent of their own. Of course they can afford him, the only thing that would preclude their acquisition of him would be their lack of desire to do so.
Or his desire to play elsewhere. He does get a say.
Doesn’t every team start with that amount? Unless Boras was just making stuff up.
I’m in the camp that the Cubs WILL sign David Price when he hits free agency (giving up a compensation draft pick vs. dealing prospects to the Tigers now). While he states “Wherever I play baseball next year it’s not going to be because of a manager”, that certainly doesn’t exclude the Cubs as a possible destination. The question, of course, will depend on what the Cubs are willing to give and what Price is willing to take and how interested Price is in playing for Maddon and the Cubs.
Interesting point about the Draft pick. Why not give up the prospects NOW and get him to seal the deal for the playoffs?
The prospects are NOT a total waste, because the draft pick given up would be hurt (estimated to be in the mid-20s, still a high pick). Can you come up a package that the Tigers would want that is marginally better than that draft pick? I believe it would be a huge advantage for Price to get a taste of Chicago (figuratively) before he is a free agent.
Cubs have competition in acquiring Price at the deadline…and that’s IF the Tigers are selling.
Mr. Illitch isn’t going to give up on this season for something that is marginally better than a draft pick.
Money Talks, Price would play for the Devil in Hell if he could make One Dollar More !
Do not assume prospects will be what the Tigers receive if they trade Price.
As a fan, I really hope the Reds don’t go the whole ‘blow it up and rebuild’ rout and just selectively trade their impending Free Agents. They have a very solid core of young offensive players mostly still in their primes and a boatload of pitching talent coming up (Lorenzen, Stephenson, Iglesiais and more in the lower minors) as well as Bailey returning from injury. Then they have several good and one really good outfield bat near major league ready.
If they just move Leake, Cueto, Byrd, Pena, and Parra (I’d include Chapman here even though he has 2 years left because I think Hoover can provide just as much value as a closer) I think they can net at least one top 50 prospect and several other very good ones in the 50-150 range to build towards 2018 and beyond. 2016 might be a bit rough with all of the second and first year pitching still getting major league experience, but they can compete for a wild card at the least until the next big batch of talent is MLB ready.
Question for you, and any other Reds fans (or people who care to chime in, I don’t care…) Do you think Eugenio Suarez can continue to play as well as he is? I thought he was an excellent return from that Alfredo Simon trade.
I don’t think so. His BABIP is way higher than his batting average which tells me he’s had a good deal of luck in his hitting. His defense at SS ranges from average to brutal. He is still very young and could develop more, but I see him as a backup once Cozart comes back next year. He might also get some time at 2B with Phillips getting up there in age.
His batting average really hides his low walk rate, and so far he’s been charged with 8 fielding errors in 25 games. He has decent range and a good arm, but has made sloppy errors. I think he can be a useful bat-first shortstop, but Cozart’s return could make for an interesting competition.
I’d put everyone but Hamilton, Suarez, Lorenzen, DeSclafani, Hoover…basically everyone over 27 years old on the market. Votto will probably stay because no team will want that contract, same with Bailey. As a fan, you gotta see the writing on the wall: you aren’t anywhere close to the Pirates and Cardinals and the only proper way to contend as fast as possible is full rebuild, and with the amount of over-27 assets currently on the 25-man that could help out contenders, the Reds could shrewdly trade their way into a contending team as early as 2017, using their strong base of prospects already there as a launching pad.
Blow it up, Think Phillies of waiting to long , Get something for Everybody including Sugar Ray Philips, Cuban exile Chapman , Thrown in Cueto and Bruce , You will never have an opportunity as Good as Now, Again think Phillies , One Injury, One Bad Year , you lose all Leverage !
-Price will go where the highest contract is offered……
-Orlando Arcia >>>>>> Francisco Lindor is right……
-Upton to the Mets for Matz…could help Mets win the 2nd wildcard spot……
Upton for Matz? LOL no.
Yeah no way Upton gets you Matz. I’ve heard some people say that Matz could have the most upside out of Harvey/Wheeler/deGrom/Syndergaard.
Upton hasn’t been killing it, and Matz has been mentioned as one of the elite left-hand prospects in the game with 5(?) yr of control. Upton is more Niese (fringe #3 on most teams) + mid-level prospect territory.
6 years of control after this one.
Any idea on whom the Braves turn to to close if they trade Jim Johnson?
There was talk they might give Aroldys Vizcaino a chance. ( I probably butchered that name)
Very close actually. No “L” in Arodys.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I’m a fan of trading assets at their most valuable, and Frazier is massively valuable right now. Barring a taker coming from nowhere (Think Rios/White Sox) the Reds aren’t getting out from Votto’s deal, but they are in a weird place where they do have great prospects but also these veterans who are preventing them from fully cleaning house, and Frazier could net them a top 5/sure-thing prospect type plus several others. He’s 29, so that’s not a great age to be on a rebuilding team, so I’d trade him without a second thought.
The Reds don’t look to be too dangerous until 2017, so they really should go whole-hog rebuild instead of half-ing it and being stuck with big money deals for players they could already use from their system for cheaper.
Agreed. That Bailey contract is a complete albatross, and Bruce’s isn’t much better. Frazier is at peak value (even w. his scary splits), so they’d do best to trade him for someone’s farm. I want the Mets to stay far far away from him bc of the cost of a very good player having a career year, but he is a solid ballplayer and seems like a great clubhouse guy. Chapman is at peak value too…it’ll be interesting to see where he lands…BlueJays?
Bruce’s contract is far from an albatross. He’s a 120 OPS+ player with solid defense. He’s a 2-3 bWAR player (fWAR likes him a little better.) He’s absolutely worth $12M a year. He’s already worth his entire year’s salary according to fWAR, with 70 odd games left to play.
Bruce is cheap. Bruce is on pace for about 3.0 WAR this season, which would be worth around $20 – $25 million in salary.
Just aren’t that many teams looking to trade their farm.
Building cheaper teams is always a very popular opinion around here. Building better teams, not so much.
How so? I think you’re just confusing short-term success vs long-term success.
The problem is there are practically no teams able to trade the prospects that Frazier would warrant.
the reds are a mess i hate losing these guys due to being a small market team
Then leave the Major Leagues and become a Good AAA Franchise !
The Reds are one of the top 15 teams in terms of salary – $123,000,000. Bad contracts are an issue, but those aren’t really Votto, Bailey, or Bruce. The bad contracts are sunk costs out there for guys like Ludwick and Sean Marshall. They have about $20 million in disabled players, and another $10 or so in remaining contracts for guys no longer on the team.
That’s true, but that $30m isn’t going to allow them to keep the Cuetos or extend Frazier. They spent big on a nucleus that hasn’t panned out
Gomez/Ramirez for syndergaard/Plawecki
LuCroy for Walker/Montero
The Big 4 (+Wheeler as the 5) aren’t going anywhere. Heck…Niese may have to stick around if Matz doesn’t look like he’ll be back in 4wks. Ramirez is not an upgrade in any way (and then his salary?!). Gomez…solid option, but not for Syn. Gomez + Segura for Syn and Plaw…that starts to get really interesting, but I’d hope SA would still say no. I am admittedly an irrational and diehard Mets fan, so those 4, Wheeler, and Conforto are all off limits for anyone but a Trout-like player…and that isn’t realistic. Yes we highly value our pitchers, but so do many other clubs.
Gomez + Segura for Syn and Plaw would be good for me
I think that is a much more even trade, but I really hope the Mets hang onto their arms no matter what. I know Segura has shown flashes of being an elite player, but his current stats are lackluster. I know you have to give up talent to get talent, but I’m hoping they don’t do that trade. Plaw + Nimmo + low level guy for those two? I’d do that bc I think Gomez will shine in NYC.
d’Naurd needs to get healthy or Plaw can’t go. He is doing much better w. batting… hitting .280 and OPS’ing .700ish for his last 20 games.
That would be an overpay for the Mets. Segura is not very good (he would be a downgrade from Flores at this point). Gomez is about a 4 WAR player, but you only have 1.5 years of control. Syndergaard will probably outperform him WAR-wise the rest of this year and next year.
Plus, Syndergaard has like 6+ years of control remaining, three of which will be very cheap. Mets are not in win-now mode. I honestly don’t see them making any big moves this year.
You have to be kidding me – Gomez would be your best overall player if you got him(not including Harvey), but i see your point about not doing the trade with your team not being in win now mode
Are you serious? Gomez is a 4 WAR player. Which is great, but deGrom and Harvey are better, Syndergaard is most likely better. Granderson is on pace for more WAR this season. d’Arnaud would almost certainly be worth more if he wasn’t injured. Lucas Duda, despite struggling massively over the last month, has been about as good as Gomez WAR-wise this season. Lagares was worth more than Gomez last year and the only reason he isn’t this year is because he’s injured and may require TJ surgery.
Gomez is great, but he would not immediately be the Mets best player.
(btw, as great as Harvey is, deGrom has been much better; deGrom has unquestionably been the Mets best player this season)
There’s a huge difference between wanting to win for a year or two and wanting to build a team that’s successful pretty much every year. For some reason, you seem to think the first option is a better approach than the second option.
From the Mets’ point of view I agree it would be an overpay, but I’m trying to be realistic from an outside perspective. What I”ve seen from Plaw really impresses me, as his bat is finally coming around. He is still a young guy and has shown excellent skills as a catcher.
I’ve had a hard time putting a value on Nimmo. He has been overshadowed by Conforto, but he is shaping up to be a solid contributor for ’16 and beyond.
I’d actually like the Mets to go after Braun, but take on salary and minimize the talent being traded. Platoon/sit Cuddyer, as he has just sucked.
That could very well go down as the 2nd worst trade in Mets’ history.
Segura isn’t an upgrade over Tejada. Syndergaard and Plaw are cost controlled for another 12 seasons between them compared to 1.5 for Gómez. There’s no reality where your trade proposal makes sense for the Mets. Would be a huge ripoff.
Agreed kingjenrry. Segura is a free swinger and the Mets need a bat that can produce, Segura is NOT that option. Also deGrom has been a beast, he is clearly the best player on the Mets right now. Gomez is good but noway I over pay for him, or even Upton at this point. Not for 1 game. If the price is right sure, but dealing their top 5 young arms is NOT an option. Guys like Conforto and Nimmo should be ready by next season, so that also needs to be taken into consideration on what they give up this year for a 1 game potential.
Do it Brewers , Just do it !
I’m on the fence about Hamels. Right now I know he wants to go but I don’t think the Phillies will get what they are looking for. If cole had any hope to compete by 2017 maybe he’d want to stay
The Phils are a trainwreck of a franchise at the moment. Hamels deserves a shot at a ring w. another team. I hate the Phils, but Hamels can straight up pitch.
Good to see a self-proclaiming Phillies hater acknowledge Hamels is a good pitcher. Too many people are putting too much stock into his last start which completely changed his season and past month’s stats.
I’m looking forward to seeing Cole get moved and pitching lights out for a contender. And seeing the people who think he’s overhyped and nothing more than a #2/3 starter (see post below) shut their yaps.
He has been doing it for years, in a toxic environment, AND his contract is much more reasonable than some of the $’s being thrown around lately. Bailey & Porcello…lolz. If I want to be completely honest, I want Hamels to get out of there and for Phil to implode further, but plenty of talent is coming back no matter who is trading it.
My hate for Philly runs deep, lol. I grew up frequently going to The Vet & Spectrum (as a Mets/Giants/Devils fan), and the baseball fans were the least offensive…but they still threw food and cursed at me when I’d wear Mets jerseys…as a 12-18yr old. They keep it classy in Philly. 😀 Still a fun city.
Agreed on all of your baseball points with the ridiculous contracts being thrown around.
Hahah I respect your fanhood and have similar stories. I’m a fan of all Philly teams and have the mutual hatred for your squads. I still remember going to Lindros’ first game as a Ranger playing the Flyers at MSG. I was 15 and wore my John LeClair jersey as I walked the streets of NYC and a couple of guys came up to me and told me I had “marbles” for wearing that jersey there and gave me high fives haha. But on the other side of things, I also remember getting flicked off by some middle aged guy inside of MSG in a business suit for cheering after a goal (just simple clapping, not overly obnoxious yelling because then you’re asking for trouble). Sadly it happens in every major sports city, not just Philly.
You gotta boo Lindros to the Rangers though…that’s like your ex-wife sleeping w. your best friend, not cool. Some of the worst fans are in NYC (Yankees/Rangers) and BOS (all of them)…so I hear ya.
I had playoff tickets in the family section for the NYR one year and was merciless on Richter. His brother sat behind us and it was appropriately heated, but we all had a good time. Once we left the section though….countless mouthbreathers.
Hahah it was absolutely painful to watch.
It’s definitely got to be tough on the family members and friends of players, but it comes with the profession. In the end, I hope they realize it’s nothing personal. If you’re not on their team, they’re going to root against you. It’s as simple as that.
At crosses the line when things happen like Cliff Lee’s wife apparently getting mistreated at Yankee Stadium and rumors were she was not a fan of him signing with them when he became a FA before ending up back in Philly. No need to mess with the family/friends of the player. Just keep it to heckling the player ya know?
That’s what I experienced at Shea stadium in New York , However we won the Fist Fight , My brother is X-Pro Fighter and knocked two Mets Fans out,They started it , We Phillies fans Finished it, still love New York though !
Somehow people aren’t surprised that The Vet had a jail and judge in the basement. Exhibit A….
yup, “fans” like the one you just replied to are what give Philly fans (or any other city) their bad reputations.
William, stop day dreaming.
I think that Dodgers deal suggested above makes a lot of sense. Although they are slight overrating him (in my opinion, nowadays he’s a no. 2/3 stater like Samardizija).
Yeah he’s a #3…
if your team had Clayton Kershaw and Max Scherzer as it’s 1-2.
If you take his last start against the Giants out, he has a 3.02 ERA on the season. Those aren’t 3 starter stats.
Amen. And that would be a 3.02 ERA without him being as good as he usually is. Not many pitchers can say that and still have that good of an ERA.
if they arent going to get alot for him, id keep him, slot in Nola as the #2 and go from there. If the Dodgers arent giving up Seager or Urias, I’d have to get Grant Holmes. Don’t see any combo of other guys from LA that would make me trade Cole.
I think the Dodgers could get it done with the likes of De Leon and Holmes still being in the system. But I definitely think the Phillies would need a legit prospect with a bat coming back too. Verdugo maybe? Don’t know how highly he’s ranked nowadays.
Frías could be a nice throw-in, too. He is underrated, throws cheese, and could succeed as a solid Major League starter with #2 upside. If the Dodgers could trade something similar but not necessarily limited to de León, Frías, and Van Slyke or (Ethier+cash), and the Phillies sign one of Upton, Gordon, or Heyward in the fall, the team would immediately look much better. Add Roman Quinn, J.P. Crawford, Aaron Nola, and Maikel Franco to the mix and that team is much, much better than the current squad.
With the money coming off the books for Hamels, the earlier mentioned acquisition of one of the big three free agent corner outfielders would be completely plausible.
Price and Cespedes for Puig and a top pitching prospect. I will hang up and listen.
I don’t think LA does it unless Cueto and Hamels are both gone AND they are in a race. They have the $ and talent to do it (and it’d move Puig, so Mattingly would be happy), but Puig is worth more than 2 rentals….albeit an elite pitching rental.
are you enjoying the dial tone?
Cubs Fans , keep thinking CC Sabathia , when Price comes to mind ! Cheaper and Safer options on market !
CC averaged 3 WAR per season, had an ERA of 3.74 in the AL East and won them a World Series.. so.. not exactly the worst signing in the world.
Plus what even gives the 2 a comparison? They are both LHP?
CC, been a broken overweight Pitcher pitching for Good Teams and still can’t keep it together, Plus Yankees Still owe Him 76 Million for Bullpen piece, Again think Cole Hamels Cheaper and Just as Good!
Again….. how are you comparing the two?
Price isn’t overweight
All you have to compare the two are they are both LHP
Weight comes to mind too.
If the Padres trade Upton it would be throwing the towel in on this season.
it depends on the return, and it really solves a lot of problems with the defensive alignment. A quality middle infielder (esp a LHB SS) would plugin right away to boost the sagging infield, and you slide Myers to LF with a Venable/Melvin Upton platoon playing CF. The improvement at SS + the improved OF defense might be enough to offset the offensive loss of Upton.
Nope. Contending teams don’t trade Major League contributors. Trading your biggest offensive threat would be a for-sure commitment to not contending this year.
Doesn’t that depend on what they get back for him?
Already look’s as if the Padres have thrown in the towel on the season, redrooster. As a Braves fan too, y’all can keep the Upton brothers, as well. Cause it look’s as though your team’s plan to have both of them play a significant role in ‘carrying the mail’ in order for the team to finally reach the promised land once again, has failed miserably. ; )
Padres send Upton to the NYM, Cashner to MIL; MIL sends Segura and Gomez to SD; NYM send prospects to MIL. Maybe there is some cash, a bullpen arm or a B level prospect from SD to completely balance it out, but who says no?
The Phillies are paying Hamels $23.5M this year. So at 18 starts they have dished out 12M+ to him already. They’ve held on to Hamels this long, and now his value has gone down on top of that? Not well played, Phillies.
I can only imagine what thoughts are going thru Cole Hamels mind each day he walks into the Phillies club house. It has to be tough to keep a competitive frame of mind on such a dysfunctional team from the bat boy all the way up to owners. A team in total turmoil. Part of me as a Phillies fan for so many years would hope he could stay and they would build around him as their ace, but as a human being I understand that he would rather go to a team that has a shot at post season competition. I understand that wins and losses are not the most important stat as a pitcher, but for the pitcher himself looking at so many losses where he had little to none support behind him has to be depressing.
Right there with ya man. I hope Cole gets traded to a contender (hopefully one I can root for). But it has to be brutal knowing once you give up 1 run, you’re probably getting the loss even if you’re final line is 8 IP, 1 ER, 0 BB, 14 K.
It’s no surprise his walk rate is up this year, especially early in the season. He knows he has no room for error with the team that’s playing behind him so he has to nibble at the black.
Good thing for the Tigers that the manager won’t be a factor in where Price signs.
Four words I never, ever thought I’d say, especially prior to this year, but to Braves management “Please don’t trade, Maybin. However to all you non Braves fan’s, if I have to explain why, then y’all just simply have not been paying attention to the impressive/consistent numbers this cat has been putting up for ‘us’ all season long.
Noway the Mets trade Matz for Upton or Gomez. Upton could possibly be just a rent a player for the remainder of the season and for 1 potential game, and they give up Matz? Not gonna happen. Maybe a Montero and another prospect for Upton but noway the top 5 young arms get dealt (Harvey/Synder/Wheeler/Matz/deGrom)