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Looking For A Match In A Rich Hill Trade

By Mark Polishuk | July 18, 2016 at 11:45pm CDT

Something as small as a blister could have a huge impact on this year’s trade deadline.  Rich Hill was forced to leave Sunday’s start against the Blue Jays after just five pitches due to a popped blister on the middle finger of his throwing hand, disappointing the many scouts in attendance and bringing into question the status of perhaps the most hotly-pursued starter heading into August 1.

Injury may have been the only thing that could’ve lowered Hill’s trade value at this point.  The 36-year-old lefty already missed a month recovering from a groin strain, though he looked good in his first two outings back from the DL.  This blister issue already caused Hill’s first post-break start to be pushed back two days, and now Hill believes it will at least a few days before the blister heals well enough for him to throw again.  It could be a full week before Hill takes the mound again, leaving him time for perhaps two starts before the trade deadline.

Needless to say, this isn’t a welcome development for an A’s team that was looking to cash in on Hill’s unexpected dominance.  Between his four-start emergence for the Red Sox in 2015 and his continued terrific work in 2016, Hill has posted a 2.06 ERA, 10.8 K/9 and 3.82 K/BB over his past 105 innings.  Hill is a free agent this winter and is owed around $2.3MM for the remainder of the season, making him an easily affordable rental for teams in both large and small markets.

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Affordable in salary, that is — not necessarily affordable in terms of the return it will take to pry him out of Oakland.  Hill has pitched so well that the A’s could justify issuing him a qualifying offer in order to recoup a first-round compensation draft pick back if Hill signed elsewhere.  (Though it’s an interesting question if Hill would accept the QO to lock in a one-year deal in the $16MM range, which would certainly impact the A’s decision to issue the offer.)  That means the Athletics’ absolute minimum asking price will be a prospect graded as equal to the value of that comp pick, and the asking price to this point has been much higher; the A’s reportedly initially wanted Anderson Espinoza when the Red Sox inquired about Hill.

The blister and groin strain underline the great unknown that is Hill’s durability, as the 76 innings he’s thrown this year is already the third-highest innings total of his 12-year career.  This being said, in a very thin summer market for starting pitching, Hill may still emerge as the top arm available if he is able to recover from his blister and deliver at least one more quality start before the deadline.  There’s been so much interest in Hill that the A’s should still be able to find a trade partner, even if their hopes of landing a top-tier prospect may not be realized.

Billy Beane, David Forst and company will probably take the usual route of looking for the best talent available when shopping Hill, Josh Reddick, Danny Valencia or other trade chips before Aug. 1.  If the A’s do prioritize a need, Baseball America’s Jim Shonerd (BA subscription required) recently noted that the A’s are thin on minor league outfield talent.  That could be a particular area of focus in trade talks, especially if Reddick is also dealt.  It’s also not out of the question that Oakland looks to add a Major League player, given that the Athletics have been loath to fully rebuild in the Beane era.  While the A’s have struggled over the last two seasons, recent history suggests that they have their eye on rebounding in 2017.

Over a third of the league has been scouting Hill or has been otherwise connected to him in trade rumors, and you can make a case that a few other postseason contenders could also be a fit for the 36-year-old lefty.  Let’s try to figure out who might be best-positioned to trade for Hill, beginning with the 11 teams who have already shown interest…

If Hill’s blister impacts Oakland’s price tag, that bodes well for the six clubs (the Blue Jays, Royals, Tigers, Marlins, Orioles and Yankees) who don’t have as much minor league depth as other interested parties.  These clubs would probably have lost a pure bidding war for prospects, though if the A’s now look to acquire perhaps just one player they particularly like, that opens up the field.  These six are also in relative win-now mode (with the possible exception of the Yankees), which could influence their thinking for a big push for Hill.

The Blue Jays, for instance, have many big names (i.e. Jose Bautista, Edwin Encarnacion, Michael Saunders, R.A. Dickey) scheduled for free agency, so if this is the Jays’ last run at contention with this core group, counting on Drew Hutchison or a stretched-out Jesse Chavez to replace Aaron Sanchez seems especially risky.  Sanchez has a team-high 2.5 fWAR in his breakout season, so if the Jays stick to their plan of shifting the young righty to the bullpen to limit his innings, it leaves a big hole in the rotation that Hutchison and Chavez are unlikely to fill.

The Jays dealt so many top prospects in their 2015 deadline moves that the cupboard is a little bare, plus it was former GM Alex Anthopoulos who made those moves, not the current front office led by Mark Shapiro and Ross Atkins.  That being said, it’s not uncommon for new management to deal prospects drafted by an old regime; Shapiro/Atkins may have a lower opinion of some Toronto minor leaguers than Anthopoulos did, so those youngsters could be shopped.  Likewise, the four free agents I mentioned earlier could all be issued qualifying offers, so while the Jays could lose some current prospects now to land Hill, they could reload with at least a couple of compensation picks in the 2017 draft.

The Royals will face a potential free agent exodus of similar proportions after the 2017 season, when the likes of Eric Hosmer, Lorenzo Cain, Wade Davis and Mike Moustakas can all hit the open market.  So K.C. has, realistically, a two-year window of contention with its current group, and to even further capitalize on this terrific chapter in club history, the Royals could look to replicate last year’s big deadline moves for Johnny Cueto and Ben Zobrist.  This is just my speculation, but since the Royals have also been linked to Reddick, a blockbuster that brings both Hill and Reddick to Kansas City at the cost of multiple top prospects could be worth exploring for both the Royals and A’s.  A mid-market team like the Royals can hardly afford to be cavalier with its prospects, of course, so it really comes down to whether or not the club is prepared to more or less rebuild after 2017 in the name of chasing another pennant or World Series this year and next.

The Tigers know a few things about mortgaging the future in search of immediate contention, and years of dealing prospects has left their farm system in unimpressive shape — neither Baseball America or MLB.com has any Detroit players in their rankings of the game’s top 100 minor leaguers.  It’s hard to totally count the Tigers out on Hill given their history of veteran additions but it’s possible their system may now simply be too depleted to outbid anyone.  Obviously, Detroit isn’t going to part with a young player like Michael Fulmer who is already making a huge contribution at the MLB level.

The Marlins are only “all-in” in the sense that Jeffrey Loria is rather unpredictable, and he may be particularly keen to make a deadline push now that his team finally looks to be back in contention.  Miami’s young core is (on paper) impressive enough to keep the Fish in the NL East race for years, so dealing one or two of their few highly-touted minor leaguers for Hill in a 2016 run might not make sense, and that’s assuming that the Marlins have enough trade bait to get Oakland’s attention.

The Orioles don’t have the short window of the Jays or Royals, though Mark Trumbo and Matt Wieters are free agents this offseason.  Like Toronto, the O’s could let at least one of their free agents walk to gain a compensation pick, thus perhaps freeing them up to deal one of their few top-tier prospects now for Hill.

Baltimore’s powerful lineup has put it atop the AL East even with one of the game’s worst rotations, so adding Hill (who also provides some balance within the all-righty O’s staff) could give them just enough starting help to slug their way into World Series contention.  Dan Duquette hasn’t shied away from adding rental players (Gerardo Parra, Andrew Miller, Francisco Rodriguez, Scott Feldman) at the deadline over the last few seasons.  That said, Hill’s health issues are surely red flags for a franchise that has been so infamously picky about pitchers’ injury histories.

The biggest question facing the Yankees, of course, isn’t whether or not they’ll pursue Hill, but rather if they’ll be deadline buyers whatsoever.  It may be at least another week before New York decides if it is selling or buying on Aug. 1, though if they did decide to go for it, Hill — who briefly pitched for the Yankees in 2014 — would greatly boost a rotation that has shown a lot of inconsistency behind Masahiro Tanaka.  At this point, I’m leaning towards the Yankees selling, so let’s move onto the teams with more significant prospect depth.

The Cubs and A’s have collaborated on four trades since Theo Epstein came to Wrigleyville, including one summer blockbuster.  Between the two clubs’ familiarity and all of the prospects the Cubs can offer, Chicago would seem like the favorite for Hill….except for the fact that starting depth isn’t exactly a priority.  Jake Arrieta, Jon Lester, John Lackey, Kyle Hendricks and Jason Hammel comprise one of the game’s best rotations, plus Adam Warren is on hand as a swingman.  Durability isn’t an issue, as the top five have made all but one start in the first half.  The Cubs’ scouting of Hill could be a case of due diligence rather than a distinct need, unless they want to have as much starting depth as possible on hand as they pursue a championship.

The Dodgers’ interest in Hill could also be somewhat exploratory since L.A. has several starting options on hand once everyone gets healthy.  Clayton Kershaw’s return from the DL will be the biggest boost of all, and Alex Wood and Brett Anderson are also scheduled to be back in August.  Hyun-jin Ryu and Brandon McCarthy are already back pitching after lengthy absences, so if anything, the Dodgers could have a bit of a rotation logjam.

The Rangers and Athletics have had a rather healthy trade history in recent years, which is unusual for division rivals.  None of those deals involved swapping top prospects for an established player, however, so Texas could certainly have some misgivings about seeing one of their minor league stars in a green-and-yellow jersey, haunting them for years to come.  Since the Rangers are looking at virtually every available pitcher leading up to the deadline, they could prefer a pitcher who is controlled beyond 2016 (like, for instance, Jake Odorizzi or Matt Moore) rather than a rental like Hill.

The Pirates are in the strange position of trying to both add and trade starting pitchers at the same time.  Jeff Locke and Jon Niese are being shopped, as the Bucs are hopeful that young arms like Jameson Taillon, Tyler Glasnow, Steven Brault and Chad Kuhl can beef up the back of the rotation.  Of course, the front of the rotation isn’t exactly in solid shape either thanks to injuries (particularly to Gerrit Cole) and Francisco Liriano’s struggles.  Hill would add some much-needed stability to what has been a disappointing Pirates staff.  Pittsburgh is another smaller-market team that would think hard before dealing a notable prospect for a deadline rental, and Locke/Niese would have limited trade appeal for the A’s as part of a package for Hill.  Taillon and Glasnow aren’t going anywhere, though perhaps lesser-regarded minor leaguers like Brault or Kuhl could be involved.

Though the Red Sox addressed their pitching woes by acquiring Drew Pomeranz from the Padres for Espinoza, it’s still possible Boston could seek out a reunion with Hill by dealing from deeper within their stockpile of quality prospects.  Installing Hill and Pomeranz as the fourth and fifth starters would allow the Sox to give Eduardo Rodriguez more minor league seasoning, or use him in the bullpen along with other relief-relegated starters Clay Buchholz and Joe Kelly.

Looking at the teams who aren’t known to have interest in Hill, the Cardinals and Indians can very probably be eliminated from contention since their rotations are already set.  The Nationals can also likely be added to this group, provided that Joe Ross makes his expected return from the DL before the end of the month.  The White Sox could use Hill with Carlos Rodon out of action, though Chicago doesn’t have much in minor league trade chips.  If the White Sox do pursue a deadline upgrade, it is perhaps more likely to be a bat than an arm.

The Mets are said to be more focused on bullpen additions than rotation help at the deadline, plus they could be another team hesitant about dealing minor league pieces for a rental player.  That said, Noah Syndergaard and Steven Matz are both dealing with bone spurs in their elbows, and if either of those situations worsen, the Mets might suddenly look at adding a starter (especially with Matt Harvey already out for the season).

The inter-division trade hesitation I mentioned earlier in regards to the Rangers could also apply to the Mariners and Astros, though Seattle may not have the prospect depth to land Hill and Houston may not have the need.  The M’s have Felix Hernandez and (Seattle hopes) Taijuan Walker both soon returning from the DL to help their ailing rotation, so the Mariners could pursue a reliever or a hitter rather than Hill, if they end up being buyers at all.  The Astros’ rotation has been more sturdy than impressive this season, though they have enough starting options on hand that they probably won’t bid on Hill.

That leaves the Giants, and there’s probably a better chance of the A’s dealing Hill within the AL West than there is of dealing him within the Bay Area.  Oakland and San Francisco are very infrequent trade partners, which could explain why we haven’t heard about a link between Hill and the Giants despite their search for starting pitching.  (The ongoing territorial rights dispute about the Athletics’ attempted move to San Jose surely doesn’t help relations.)

If the two local rivals did decide to collaborate, the Giants would be a good fit as a trade partner.  The Giants have enough interesting prospects that they could afford to move one as the headliner of a Hill trade package, plus they have a rotation hole since Matt Cain is far from a sure thing at this point in his career.  Reddick is already getting some attention for the Giants’ outfield, so who knows, maybe there’s a chance of a mega-deal between the two clubs if the A’s can stomach the idea of watching another #EvenYear celebration.

With two weeks until the deadline, pretty much every scenario is still in play at this point.  Hill could end up being dealt for a surprisingly large return, or it’s just as possible that injuries scuttle his market and the A’s will have to shop him in the August waiver period.  Since everything about Hill’s career over the last 11 months has been so unpredictable, it’s perhaps only fitting that his trade value is still totally up in the air.

Photo courtesy of Kenny Karst/USA Today Sports Images

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  1. alfredog

    9 years ago

    As a Marlins fan a big no on rich hilll please no

    Reply
    • baseballjunkie68

      9 years ago

      As another Marlins fan I can echo that. I don’t think it’s a bad fit but what we would have to give up for him in this sellers market would leave our farm system that was already not that deep virtually empty of the talent we had left in it.

      Reply
      • FLMarlins4LiFE

        9 years ago

        Hear me out..may sound ludacris but if we somehow put a package together for SP sonny gray, hill and Danny Valencia and send over prado

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        • FLMarlins4LiFE

          9 years ago

          Oakland gets :
          Koehler
          Gillespie
          nicolino
          Prado

          Miami
          Gray
          Valencia
          Hill

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        • FLMarlins4LiFE

          9 years ago

          I can dream can’t I?

          Who knows maybe Loria has a change of heart or a heavy piece of art falls on his head (think bowling ball) gives him a concussion and he thinks opposite of what he does know and spend money money money gives jose a massive contract and extends the team for sale.

          😀

          Reply
        • Sam.rhodes16

          9 years ago

          That package gets you in the door for sonny, but not the rest at all.

          Reply
        • arc89

          9 years ago

          I don’t blame the A’s for not trading Hill if all a team wants to give up is a bunch of no name bench players. Might as well roll the dice and play him since he doesn’t cost very much.

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        • metseventually 2

          9 years ago

          this is the worst thing I have ever heard on here. Oakland gets an ace, No.2 starter and a power hitting 3B for a No.4 starter, an aging utility man and backup players. Come on, be real!

          Reply
        • FLMarlins4LiFE

          9 years ago

          It does say let me dream a little but if we are going to be real The mets aren’t going anywhere but home

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        • Sam.rhodes16

          9 years ago

          You’re joking right? Koehler is garbage and has only pitch, and he can’t even control it! Gillespie is a fringe prospect in literally all systems not MIA or LAA. Nicolino is struggling in the MLB. And Prado is a rental.

          MIA is hosing OAK in that trade. That package would be considered a X rejected for Gray, much less the other two people you wanted…

          Reply
        • BadCo

          9 years ago

          At least your smart enough to admit you might possible be dreaming… So I tip my cap to you !

          Reply
        • bsteady powers

          9 years ago

          Mets are better than the Marlins

          Reply
        • A'sfaninUK

          9 years ago

          Not really, the A’s have absolutely no use for Prado whatsoever.

          Reply
        • Matthew23Baltimore

          9 years ago

          Oakland wants prospects, not your leftovers.

          Reply
        • Mo Vaughn

          9 years ago

          Did you seriously just say Gillespie is a fringe prospect? The guy is 32 and has been in the league since 2010, he is FAR from a prospect, he’s at best a 4th outfielder.

          Reply
        • FLMarlins4LiFE

          9 years ago

          At choking? Lmao

          Reply
        • baseball0021

          9 years ago

          That is an absolutely brutal trade offer. Not sure if I’d even do Valencia for Koehler, Nicolino, Prado and Gillespie. Prado is mediocre and expensive, Gillespie is a fringe 4th OF, Nicolino hasn’t been able to get outs at the MLB level, and Koehler is a bottom of the rotation type. If you want those three from the A’s, you’re probably gonna have to move Yelich or Ozuna plus prospects

          Reply
  2. greg 14

    9 years ago

    Most valuable (available) pitcher isn’t Hill – it’s Matt Shoemaker of the Angels. He’s been absolute lights out for the past 2 months. He makes $530K this year and has 4 years of arb left. He might well accept a 4/20M deal, plus some options. And he has no injury history (he just threw 115 pitches with 0 walks and 13 KO’s). Don’t know if the Angels would trade him, but he’s worth Moncada plus, or Baez plus.

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    • mike22

      9 years ago

      Worth moncada you must be an Angels fan or just insane

      Reply
    • cubsfan2489

      9 years ago

      Not even close to Baez. Maybe Vogelbach straight up

      Reply
    • Austin0723

      9 years ago

      If Pomeranz only got Espinosa what makes you think Shoemaker can get Moncada?

      Reply
    • azcm2511

      9 years ago

      Are you serious? Moncada or Baez plus for a guy who has had a very short run of success? C’Mon….

      really???

      Reply
      • baseball0021

        9 years ago

        I think Baez would be fair, he was pretty awful at the MLB level until this year. Shoemaker has been solid in the past too. Also Moncada is far more valuable than Baez

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        • Kayrall

          9 years ago

          Baez had a 0.5 fWAR in 2015, which is slightly above average. This year he has a 1.9 fWAR.

          Reply
    • sascoach2003

      9 years ago

      I agree, I wouldn’t touch Hill. Shoemaker, though, in the right park, does intrigue me.

      Reply
      • BadCo

        9 years ago

        Hill is a short term option, and shoemaker is more of a long term… Now what’s going to get your team over the hump? To Get you along in the play offs? Possible either? Like Hill but also like long term in Showmaker… Pick your poison guys

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    • tobyharrah1977

      9 years ago

      Earth to Greg. Please return to reality.

      Reply
    • One Fan

      9 years ago

      Moncada or Baez for Shoemaker? You were joking right?

      Reply
    • Bruin1012

      9 years ago

      How about no way not a chance dream on. Sox wouldn’t do that in a million years.

      Reply
    • A'sfaninUK

      9 years ago

      The Angels aren’t rebuilding at all, no way do they move Shoemaker – they need SPs like crazy.

      Reply
  3. KB R.

    9 years ago

    While I don’t think Anderson Espinoza is anything worth talking about (mediocre minor league stats, super young still, in the very low levels of the minors posting those mediocre stats, etc.) a lot of other fans think he was a lot to give up solely because he’s a ranked prospect and apparently to those people just being a subjectively and arbitrarily ranked prospect is more important than the actual stats said player is putting up. That said I think it is a bit of a high price for the A’s to be commanding for a 36 year old starter who is a FA at year’s end. If the A’s come back to reality a bit I wouldn’t mind seeing the Cubs make an offer and then slide Hill in their bullpen to be the left hander to go along with Travis Wood they’ve been yearning for……… also, it will be a reunion for Hill, coming full circle and playing for the team he came up with which seems like decades ago. The asking price has to go way down though Again, he is 36 years old. It isn’t like he has a track record of success the A’s can fall back on. He had a good year last year……… in the whopping 4 starts and 29 IP he played in. In 2014 he had a grand total of 5.1 IP with a 3.38 ERA and a dismal 2.44 WHIP as a reliever with the Angels and Yankees. Everything prior to 2014 was nothing special for Hill. So in reality the ONLY year worth noting is his current 2016 campaign……. he had a respectable 2007 season with the Cubs as a full time starter, but other than that year it has been rough going for Hill in his career. I’d say Jacob Hannemann from the Cubs for Rich Hill is about as high as I’d go for him. I wouldn’t give the A’s a player based on what he’s done for them this year as there is good reason to be skeptical about it.

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    • Voice of Reason

      9 years ago

      If you’re the Cubs why in the world would you beat the offers of other teams who want him as a mid rotation starter just so the Cubs can stick him in middle relief? Some team like the Rangers, Giants or dodgers are going to go in big for hill.
      For less than the trade price of hill the Cubs get chapman and stick him in the bullpen.
      Hill is a big pass for the cubs. If you dont want chapman then get Boone Logan. Hill is an awful thought for the Cubs who have like 7 starters already.

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    • BadCo

      9 years ago

      It’s called rubber stamped… Pedro said Esponiza is the next ” Pedro”…and that’s about the quality of his stuff

      Reply
    • bsteady powers

      9 years ago

      Vogelbach and Villanueva

      Reply
    • BadCo

      9 years ago

      KB if Hill wanted to be a reliever, he would still be in Boston… Guy is very admit about starting. Remember Banister got him straightened out last year and he was very grateful for Boston to give him anouther chance…… As a starter

      Reply
    • davidcoonce74

      9 years ago

      Don’t scout the stat line. Read the scouts. Espinoza is 18 in low-A. He’s 2.5 years younger than the average player in his league. He sits 94-95, touches 99 and has three above-average pitches. Stats at his age, at that level, don’t mean anything. Scout the stuff with an 18-year old, not the numbers.

      Espinoza’s ranking isn’t “arbitrary” either; every scouting service has him ranked in a similar place. I trust those people who are scouting him far more than a SSS

      Reply
  4. stymeedone

    9 years ago

    The A’s need OF. The Tigers could start with Steven Moya as the centerpiece. He would be a lefty power hitter to take Reddick’s spot when he is traded.

    Reply
    • ahtigers

      9 years ago

      I wouldn’t mind that

      Reply
  5. steelerbravenation

    9 years ago

    How bout Rich Hill & Ryan Madsen to the Dodgers for Puig, Wood & Montas.

    Reply
    • alfredog

      9 years ago

      lol I needed a laugh thanks

      Reply
    • bravesfan 7

      9 years ago

      You seriously come up with the worst trade scenarios

      Reply
      • steelerbravenation

        9 years ago

        Yeah yeah yeah I come up with the worst proposals maybe I should just check out this site just to shoot down proposals like you great GMs in training. I put out proposals just gor the entertainment value of discussion. It used to be on here you put out a proposal and somebody would shoot it down but come with one they thought may work and go down the line. Now a days these no it all GMs just shoot down proposals I find it quite funny. I have never seen 1 proposal on here come true. And I can’t think of 1 proposal you made but a whole lot you shoot down. Cool guy I admit you are much more smarter than me. I don’t know how you don’t have a front office job.

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        • Michigan Dodger Fan

          9 years ago

          While I get the point about just shooting down proposals, the Dodgers don’t need Madson, which I think is part of the issue with your proposal.

          The Dodgers bullpen has the best ERA in the NL and is almost universally considered the best bullpen in the NL. So then you’re essentially saying they should give up Puig and Montas for hill, which a lot regardless but especially when they need an OF this year.

          I think the dodgers are more likely to move someone like Verdugo and/or Barnes in a package for someone rather than dealing from the active roster

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        • staypuft

          9 years ago

          Don’t belittle the guy just because you embarrassed yourself with yet another speshul trade proposal.

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        • Visions_of_Blue_LA

          9 years ago

          They may have the best bullpen numbers. But fact is they need another piece. Fien, Howell, Hatcher are mop up/ mid guys that are easily replaced and should be. Moving two rentals Hill and Reddick would be extremely appealing but we’ve seen willingness for Beane to shut down convos if Dodgers or any team doesn’t have exactly what he wants (which you can’t blame him). I can see the Dodgers aversion for trading Bellinger, Verdugo, and Calhoun as their system lacks offensive fire power. I have no doubt the Dodgers would trade Puig. The system not considering this years draft is rich in pitching not offensively.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          9 years ago

          Still think you are only looking at only half the numbers. The Dodgers bullpen only looks good overall because three are pitching very well and are used a lot. Another three are awful and get used sparingly. A manager can work around that kind of thing for just so long. They desperately need another legitimate setup man to give Liberatore and Blanton some rest before they are burned out (and Roberts gets the blame, of course).

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        • Michigan Dodger Fan

          9 years ago

          That’s fair. But even if that’s the case, I still think Puig/Wood/Montas is too much for those 2. Not saying we need a chapman/Miller type, but there’s going to be someone

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        • BlueSkyLA

          9 years ago

          Probably. I rarely get involved in these trade debates. Most of the proposals are pretty silly. Actually Wood, Anderson or Garcia could be that extra pen arm if it comes to that, but probably none of them will be available until after the non-waiver deadline. I could even see Ryu being moved to the pen.

          Reply
        • bsteady powers

          9 years ago

          Dummy

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        • A'sfaninUK

          9 years ago

          Its funny how fans ideas of what “too much” is has absolutely no correlation with what a GM thinks “too much” is.

          For example, the Red Sox thought Espinoza-Hill straight up was too much, but Espinoza-Pomeranz was good to go. No fan posting in the comments sections on this site would say either one was fair for Boston. You’d have gotten laughed and verbally abused off the site if you proposed Pomeranz-Espinoza a month ago. People around here overvalue prospects on a level GM’s do not, and we all need to accept this.

          Reply
  6. Gerry G

    9 years ago

    Moncada or Baez plus is happening in any trade for either team

    Reply
    • baseball0021

      9 years ago

      Moncada is far more valuable than Baez. Those aren’t at all equivalent values

      Reply
  7. Gerry G

    9 years ago

    Meant to say isn’t happening

    Reply
  8. steelerbravenation

    9 years ago

    If the Cubs are looking for a lefty for the pen. The Braves got Krol. How bout Krol for McKinney

    Reply
    • Gogerty

      9 years ago

      Steeler man? Krol for McKinney? Love the Braves man, but that is not happening. Heck you can give the Krol and Eric O. Two lefties won’t get McKinney.

      Reply
      • gobraves46

        9 years ago

        You are making braves fans look bad.

        Reply
      • gobraves46

        9 years ago

        That was meant for steelers guy…

        Reply
    • zacharydmanprin

      9 years ago

      Craig Breslow was just released…

      Reply
      • BadCo

        9 years ago

        He stunk in Boston the last two years… Good luck with him

        Reply
    • Jorge Soler Powered

      9 years ago

      Hahaha. No.

      Reply
    • Voice of Reason

      9 years ago

      Krol doesn’t move the needle enough

      Reply
    • thebighurt619

      9 years ago

      Cubs would be better off calling the padres up about hand or buchter for vogelbach and markey or caratini and sands if the braves want mckinney for krol.

      Reply
      • bsteady powers

        9 years ago

        Caratini is in line to be the backup C for the foreseeable future

        Reply
        • baseball0021

          9 years ago

          So? You don’t hold onto a guy because he might be your backup going forward. Cubs would be better off with a good defensive veteran backup anyway because Contreras is iffy at best behind the plate

          Reply
  9. jasonbourne23

    9 years ago

    Too high a price for injury-prone Hill. A lol ol’ blister has kept him out a week now. Hope the Giants stay away. One thing about analytics and the As are that they are too cold in getting rid of players. That doesn’t foster much loyalty. Probably Riddick will leave and do better elsewhere. The As could’ve gotten who they wanted in Anderson Espinoza had they kept Drew Pomeranz. They would’ve had a better season with both Hill and Pomeranz.

    Reply
    • raef715

      9 years ago

      a blister means injury prone? and you clearly dont understand why a pitcher cant throw with a blister.

      Reply
      • staypuft

        9 years ago

        Do you know what injury prone means? It means the guy is always injured in some way or another.

        Hill has had injuries all through his career and he’s been on the DL this year. And now he’s got yet another injury- a blister.

        It’s always something with this guy.

        Reply
  10. tvwthree

    9 years ago

    I hope the Sox keep Moncada, Bennetendi, and Devers. I’d love to see them slotted into the line up for years to come. An outfield of Betts, Bradly Jr. And Benintendi would be perfect. You’d have either Shaw of Travis at first, Moncada taking over for Pedroia at second, Bogaerts at short and Devers at third. Also have Swihart and Vazquez behind the plate. More than likely Dombrowski will trade half of them for a few crap vets though.

    Reply
    • Gogerty

      9 years ago

      As a baseball fan, I see you wanting that. But barring a trade, Pedroia is manning 2B until his age 37 year, making Moncada near 26-27. Moncada needs a spot sooner than that, by most standards. Agreed the OF looks to be awesome for years to come barring injury.

      Reply
      • staypuft

        9 years ago

        Implying 2B is the only position they can play Moncada and that 3B isn’t exactly blocked.

        When you have a highly rated prospect like that you tend to find a position for him.

        Reply
    • Jorge Soler Powered

      9 years ago

      No team ever has every prospect pan out like that. Especially not Boston with all of their “can’t miss” flops. Keep dreaming, bro.

      Reply
      • staypuft

        9 years ago

        Ikr. Can’t miss flops like Betts, Bogaerts, and Bradley. They’d actually be a contender if maybe 1 or 3 of their prospects would pan out…

        They really need a real mvp-caliber superstar like Jorge Soler.

        Reply
        • bsteady powers

          9 years ago

          Soler had a terrific playoffs last year. Was heating up before his injury. Still has only had what? Less than 300 MLB at bats. He’s gonna be just fine.

          Reply
        • staypuft

          9 years ago

          He’s an mvp-caliber superstar, of course he’ll be fine.

          Reply
        • eggy

          9 years ago

          I could not stop laughing

          Reply
    • BadCo

      9 years ago

      I think pedie has a contract thru 2021….don’t see him going anywhere so Moncada better learn to play third or outfield along the way and can’t quit figure who can’t miss is that is being mentioned by mr Soler.. Go figure cubbies fan

      Reply
    • hanks1hammer

      9 years ago

      I can see that being an incredible batting line up but you will pretty much be the 2015 Toronto Blue Jays. All batting and no pitching. You may need to spend some of that line up potential for pitching no matter how enammerred you are with your prospects

      Reply
      • Bruin1012

        9 years ago

        Because of that potentially incredible and very cheap lineup the Sox will have money to spend on pitching and the rotation.

        Reply
  11. baseballjunkie68

    9 years ago

    Bluejays are close to the post season but could use some help how about Bluejays get Carlos Beltran and Andre Miller from the Yankees for a Marcus stroman package.

    Reply
    • Michigan Dodger Fan

      9 years ago

      No. Just not happening, especially within the division

      Reply
    • BadCo

      9 years ago

      Andrew dude

      Reply
    • bsteady powers

      9 years ago

      St roman?!!? Why would u sell your best pitcher for a reliever and a 39 year old? You people are not right

      Reply
      • Kayrall

        9 years ago

        Hold up, Yankees fans! Let me answer this one for you:

        “If you want to win rings, you have to pay the price. And if you don’t want to pay the price, we will trade him for more to another team. Besides, he has no position anyways.”

        Reply
  12. Ekostuke

    9 years ago

    I am okay with that

    Reply
  13. A'sfaninUK

    9 years ago

    In Rich Hill’s last 17 starts, not including his last one where he didn’t record an out, he has never given up more than 3 runs, and has struck out over 10 batters 6 times. That’s an ace, no matter how you want to put it. Is he oft-injured? Yes of course he’s Rich Hill, but he’s also Rich Hill, bona fide ace, and that certainly puts him at the top of the SP heap. Remember last time the A’s traded a guy like that? They got Josh Donaldson+3 more in return. Even if Hill gets hurt again, no matter what you are getting less than 3 runs given up by him, that’s massive if its 6 starts or 12 starts, to a playoff team? That’s worth a top 50 prospect, definitely. Boston throwing Espinoza, a huge prospect means probably means they are also going to keep going and trade more, because getting Papi a title means more to Dombrowski than anything (and is also how he operated in Detroit the last half dozen or so years he was there).

    Reply
    • stymeedone

      9 years ago

      No wonder the Tigers never got their WS, Dombrowski was trying to get the title for Papi, not Mr. I. Must be why Mr. I canned him.

      Reply
      • A'sfaninUK

        9 years ago

        No, he was trying to win for his aging owner. Now, he’s trying to win for Papi. How difficult is it for you to connect those dots? Do you want me to write even longer posts spelling everything out for you? Come on.

        Reply
    • Mike M 2

      9 years ago

      This is the worst/best thing I read all day. Thank you for the entertainment.

      Reply
      • A'sfaninUK

        9 years ago

        You must be a delusional Red Sox fan because every single thing I wrote is true.

        Reply
        • Bruin1012

          9 years ago

          Actually no it isn’t the Sox aren’t trading Moncada or Benentendi for maybe they would trade Devers in the right trade proposal. They won’t trade Moncada or Benentendi because one has such huge upside and the other is probably going to playing in left field this year at Fenway. The only way they would trade either of the big two if Sale or someone like that became available then all bets would be off. They aren’t trading them otherwise.

          Reply
  14. Mike M 2

    9 years ago

    If asking price is Espinosa or similar, good luck making a trade

    Reply
  15. letsgobucs

    9 years ago

    Man, this trade market is the dumps. Maybe the Pirates should make Liriano available and see what they can get for him. He’d have to be a better option than Hill, considering career and a decent contract.

    Reply
    • rycm131

      9 years ago

      According to the logic above Liriano may land Gioloto and Bryce Harper plus…

      Reply
  16. tehmpus

    9 years ago

    I think the Cubs are in on Reddick. Soler might be headed to Oakland.

    Reply
    • hanks1hammer

      9 years ago

      You should hope not. Look at his splits.

      Reply
    • bsteady powers

      9 years ago

      Where did u hear that?

      Reply
    • A'sfaninUK

      9 years ago

      That would be a great trade for both sides if it’s straight up, and a win for Oakland if they get more than Soler..

      Reply
  17. rycm131

    9 years ago

    Speaking as an A’s fan…Rich Hill is like trying to sell a car way over blue book value and praying that the interested buyer doesn’t check the value.

    Reply
    • A'sfaninUK

      9 years ago

      Except his FIP and xFIPs are sensational, so at worst that’s a gold-plated car you could melt down and make a ton of money on.

      Reply
      • soxfan1

        9 years ago

        A’s fans are hilarious

        Reply
  18. BlueSkyLA

    9 years ago

    A blister is now a durability issue? Maybe the man has weak skin.

    Reply
    • A'sfaninUK

      9 years ago

      It’s not, but people love narratives so much.

      Every single injury Hill has had has been different and freakish. He’s still an ace with a minuscule 2.55 FIP over 13 starts.

      Reply
      • BlueSkyLA

        9 years ago

        Yup. It’s funny because the real issue with the blister and his tradability is that the teams scouting him weren’t able to watch him pitch this week. Maybe he gets another outing before the deadline or maybe not but either way teams with an interest in him will have to go on the numbers and video to make a judgement. For sure they aren’t going to make one on the basis of a blister. Well okay, a blistering fastball maybe…

        Reply
  19. willreily

    9 years ago

    If I was any team, I wouldn’t touch Hill. He is a strikeout machine who is doing well, but he’s approaching his late 30s. And you know a bidding war will start over any pitcher who is doing well.

    Add that to his injury history, man. The best I would trade away for him is a future #3 SP prospect, or future power reliever. And that might be too much.

    Reply
    • A'sfaninUK

      9 years ago

      Yeah because Bartolo and Nolan Ryan and all the massive amounts of 35+ year old pitchers in the games history were all totally terrible.

      I mean seriously. You are using AGE as the only problem with a pitcher? That’s really grasping at straws. Hill is going to pitch another 6-8 years, easily. He could very easily be the next Jamie Moyer, they have similar paths.

      Reply
      • Dookie Howser, MD

        9 years ago

        I am booking marking this comment for 6-8 years from now for a good chuckle.

        Reply
      • Bruin1012

        9 years ago

        No the problem with Hill is he has had a huge injury history I like Hill the Red Sox have had him a few times. He did real well for Boston a few years ago then blew out his arm. He has been fragile. I think his curveball is for real but that pitch takes its toll on your arm. I hope I am wrong and he can pitch a few more years without blowing out his arm. Any pitcher is a risk I just think that he is a higher risk of injury than most.

        Reply
      • Matthew23Baltimore

        9 years ago

        6 to 8 years left, really?

        Reply
  20. gamemusic3 2

    9 years ago

    Dodgers get Hill and Reddick.

    Jose De Leon – similar value to Espinoza

    or

    Primary prospect: Grant Holmes
    Trade Alex Wood for additional assets involving a third team
    Secondary prospects from Dodgers and third team

    Reply
    • A'sfaninUK

      9 years ago

      Show me a trade that was 2 all-star level players for a prospect and I’ll agree with you.

      Those trades just do not happen. 1 for 1 yes, but 2 for 1? Never, ever.

      Hill + Reddick for Wood + De Leon? Yeah that works. Also works: Hill + Reddick for Puig + a low level but top 10 org prospect. I think Puig would be a great fit in Oakland too, and the A’s have a ton of money coming off the books so they could take on his deal.

      Reply
    • Matthew23Baltimore

      9 years ago

      Jose de Leon is similar to Espinoza but Ezpinoza was traded for a controllable pitcher, not one you get for 3 months

      Reply
      • baseball0021

        9 years ago

        But LAD is also getting Reddick in the deal and they need OF help

        Reply
  21. raef715

    9 years ago

    if im a team interested in Rich Hill, I might be glad that he’s missed time previously and isnt pitching now. the question is how much he’s got left in the tank having pitched much in several years, so the missed time would give me more hope he can pitch through to the end of the season, and beyond.

    Reply
  22. Danthemilwfan

    9 years ago

    Why is a guy having a good start to a season who normally sucks garnering so much attention?

    Reply
    • raef715

      9 years ago

      this is just a guess, but since re-inventing himself and reappearing, in his last 18 major league starts he’s gone 12-4 with a 2.05 era, and in 105 innings, struck out 126 while giving up 71 hits..
      so either that, or they think he’s got a cool name.

      Reply
      • krillin

        9 years ago

        If I had to guess, other than his good numbers, is that they would be using him as a rental. So, this hot year is really all the matters to an interested team. Track record does not play much into it.

        Reply
  23. Brian 2

    9 years ago

    As a Pirates fan I can see Huntington doing something for him closer to the deadline with the way the rotation is looking right now barring a plummet or very bad play in the next week and a half. No need for Reddick but personally I’d welcome a Madson or Axford (former Pirate) along with him.

    Personally I wouldn’t like to see them give up more than Kuhl/Brault and maybe a lower level prospect. Niese could be an interesting player to go the other way too. Addition by subtraction for the Bucs and I don’t think he’d be a bad fit in Oakland. Cheap(ish, 10 mil team option I believe) for next year and can eat innings, gives up a lot of HRs in Pittsburgh that barely make it out and would probably stay in the park in Oakland. Not probable but I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens.

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