The Reds have been busy on the waiver wire, but quiet elsewhere. Beyond picking which young players upon which to make dice rolls, GM Dick Williams has largely held his hand thus far. That’s not terribly surprising, for a variety of reasons.
The club’s most obvious potential trade chips come with no-trade protection (Joey Votto, Brandon Phillips) or play positions that aren’t in huge demand (Phillips, Zack Cozart). There was never a strong prerogative to deal from among the Reds’ other controllable assets, such as righty Anthony DeSclafani and center fielder Billy Hamilton. At the same time, after spending about two years compiling prospects, the organization has plenty of young players who are ready to compete for major league opportunities in 2017, so there aren’t a lot of needs.
Still, it would be surprising if the team makes it through the winter without striking at least one major-league contract. Cincinnati nearly did so a winter ago, giving MLB deals only to Blake Wood and (in mid-March) Alfredo Simon. While the Yankees actually did manage to avoid handing out a 40-man spot to a free agent in 2015-16, it’s a rarity.
And it isn’t as if the Reds are fully loaded for 2017, particularly if they hope to have an outside chance at turning into a contender. In particular, the bullpen appears ripe for an addition. That’s especially true of the open closer role; while Raisel Iglesias, Michael Lorenzen, or even Tony Cingrani would represent internal options, giving any of those youngsters the opportunity would also mean boosting their expected arbitration earnings. Cincinnati might as well make the investment to add another arm, while utilizing them in set-up roles. Alternatively, or additionally, the Reds could look to add some veteran arms — either swingman types or pure relievers — to provide depth.
So, what are the options should Cincinnati decide to open up one of its prized 40-man roster spots? Let’s run down a few of the remaining bullpen arms that could make sense…
- Joe Blanton: After a pair of resurgent seasons split between the Royals, Pirates and Dodgers, it’s very possible that Blanton will be too expensive for Cincinnati’s tastes. He’s posted a 2.65 ERA across his past 165 MLB innings with good control and better than a strikeout per inning. He could find a high-leverage spot on a contending club, though Cincinnati could entice him by offering a ninth-inning role.
- Santiago Casilla: If Casilla wants to continue closing, his age and his September meltdown in 2016 might limit his opportunities. However, Cincinnati could offer him that type of opportunity with an eye toward flipping him in July if he performs well. His poor finish aside, Casilla has a 2.42 ERA in 394 2/3 regular-season innings dating back to 2010 and has whiffed better than a batter per inning in each of the past two seasons.
- Neftali Feliz: The former AL Rookie of the Year had a resurgent season in the Pirates’ bullpen this past season and could command a high-leverage role with Cincinnati (or another club) if his medicals check out. Feliz ended the season on the shelf but there’s been no word of any arm issues lingering into the offseason. He posted a 3.52 ERA with 61 strikeouts against 20 unintentional walks in 53 2/3 innings this past season.
- David Hernandez: Hernandez crashed and burned when given a short leash as Philadelphia’s closer early last season, but he rebounded to pitch quite well over the remainder of the season. The 31-year-old posted a 3.53 ERA and punched out 69 hitters against 28 walks in his final 66 1/3 innings of the 2016 campaign. As a presumably low-cost veteran arm with closing experience, he’d be a nice add to a Cincinnati bullpen that could develop into a trade chip down the line with a good full season.
- Greg Holland: Perhaps the highest-upside arm left on the market, Holland could potentially be lured to the Reds with a guarantee of pitching in the ninth inning from day one. Contending clubs may be wary to make such a commitment, but a rebuilding team like the Reds has little to lose. And while Holland may prefer to sign with a contender, he could also sign in Cincinnati with the guarantee of save opportunities and with the understanding that he’d be likely to be flipped to a contender come July if he rediscovered the form he showed from 2011-15 prior to Tommy John surgery (2.15 ERA, 12.2 K/9, 3.5 BB/9 in 301 innings).
- Yusmeiro Petit: The Reds don’t have anyone locked into a multi-inning role, but Petit could be had on an affordable one-year deal and fill that role while also serving as a safety net for an inexperienced rotation. The Nationals didn’t use him much down the stretch in 2016, and he struggled when he did take the hill, but he’s worked to a very solid 3.83 ERA with 8.5 K/9 against 2.0 BB/9 between the rotation and bullpen across the past five seasons (307 2/3 innings).
- Sergio Romo: The former Giants closer lost his ninth-inning role to the aforementioned Casilla late in his San Francisco tenure, but he’s been rock solid in terms of bottom-line results virtually every year in the Majors since debuting in 2008. The 33-year-old has only posted an ERA north of 3.00 in two MLB seasons and has a lifetime 2.58 ERA with 10.2 K/9 against 1.8 BB/9 in the Majors. He doesn’t throw hard, but Romo would bring loads of late-inning experience to a Reds team that is lacking in that area.
- Joe Smith: Like so many others on this list, Smith comes with some closing experience but has also worked in a setup capacity for a number of years. Set to turn 33 in March, Smith is a ground-ball specialist with a history of limiting the long ball — a trait that’d be appealing to the Reds, who play in a homer-happy home park. A 2.64 ERA over his past 389 MLB innings only adds to the appeal.
- Drew Storen: It’s been a stark downward spiral for Storen since the Nationals acquired Jonathan Papelbon in July 2015. Storen was demoted to a setup role, performed poorly, and found himself flipped to the Blue Jays, where his results weren’t any better. A midseason trade to the Mariners in 2016 didn’t improve his results, either. Rough stretch aside, the former No. 10 overall pick has a career 3.31 ERA and posted a 2.91 ERA with solid control and nearly a strikeout per inning from 2011-15. On a short-term deal, the upside for the Reds would be tantalizing.
- Shawn Tolleson: In 2015, Tolleson emerged as a surprise closer for the Rangers, saving 35 games and logging a 2.99 ERA in 72 1/3 innings — his second straight year with 70-plus innings and a sub-3.00 ERA. Tolleson imploded in 2016 and saw his strikeout rate plummet while his home-run rate skyrocketed. There are a number of reasons for interested suitors to have skepticism, but the Reds could offer a low-base one-year deal with the promise of a high-leverage role. If Tolleson returns to form, he’d be a summer trade chip at the very least. However, he’s also controllable through 2018, so the Reds could simply enjoy his services for a full year and reassess next winter if he rebounds in 2017.
So many on this list could slot into the closers role. I think the Reds should pursue Holland. Give him a chance to prove himself and the Reds can secure a prospect come July.
Maybe
I think they’d have to significantly overpay though. They do have the advantage of an open closers role, but so do the Nats and they figure to actually contend
Goodness gracious. The thought of Joe Blanton being a closer!
Rasiel Iglesias was, at one point, seen as a frontline starter. Why did they move him to the bullpen? Lack of endurance? Stupidity? A rotation of Desclefani, Bailey, Iglesias, Straily, and the upside of Finnegan makes for a quietly good rotation. Either start him or let him be the closer, unless the plan is to trade him (which could be a fruitful move). Seems like a lot of talent to keep around for long relief.
Have you seen his injury history. Dude has a bum shoulder and can’t hold up over 180 innings. They didn’t wanna move him to the pen, they had to.
Not only the injury history, but Iglesias is kind of like the Chapman debate a few years ago – many thought Chapman should have been starting, though if he was, he wouldn’t be hitting 102 regularly. Iglesias is more of a two pitch-pitcher and they first gave him a shot to start. It didn’t work out, so send him to the pen to make him a dominant reliever.
RI is far more than a two pitch pitcher . Not only does he have a few good pitches , he throws each of them from three different arm slots . His shoulder and the fact that he wants to be a closer are the reasons he’s in the pen .
If he could prove him self durable he has the stuff to go through most lineups a few times .
Casilla is the perfect fit. Buy low and flip at the deadline.
Storens done. Can’t imagine him getting an MLB deal this offseason
Meh someone will find him intriguing and give him a chance. I was amazed how much he bombed this year with the movement he had on his pitches.
Storen lost 3 MPH last offseason and was terrible last season because of it. Word was he starting using a 2 seamer (instead of 4 seamer) more to counter the lost velocity and get more ground balls but he still had his struggles. If he learns to pitch instead of relying on his past heat, he has a chance. Total buy-low here, but the upside isn’t the same as what he used to be unless he regains that velocity.
I could see them trying to sign two guys off this list.
Tucker Barnhart and Drew Storen both went to the same high school, with Storen being to years older. It would be neat to see them on the same team, especially as a catcher-pitcher pair.
speaking of Reds, it would be awesome to see Votto as a Blue Jay. I’m not Canadian or a blue jay fan but I love seeing guys play for their home town team. Doubt TOR has enough to make it happen outside of including Aaron Sanchez or Stroman, considering Votto’s immense value, but it would still be nice to see.
The jays have plenty. Could offer Reid-Foley, Greene, and a position prospect, maybe add in a 4th. But I think the reds r looking to load up on pitching prospects with the hope a cheap cost controlled rotation will help them get close to the Cubs and Cards
That doesn’t even come close. You’re offering one top 100 prospect (on the low end of that list even) and two throw ins for a guy who hit .326/.434/.550 last season? C’mon…
He’s also being paid $179,000,000 for his age 33-39 seasons. That’s a terrible contract. You aren’t paying for past production, you’re paying for decline phase production. It might be one of the hardest non-Pujols contracts to get underneath.
That contract definitely limits his trade value. Considering how little Encarnacion got this offseason, Votto’s contract would now be considered a negative even though he’s still very productive.
Limits, yes. But not to that extent. Votto is still worth multiple top tier prospects. And at this point his contract is still great value. If he declines, sure, but he’s shown zero signs of doing so and his skillset is one that should age well. Add in the inflation of MLB contracts, I fully expect Votto to be a $25 mil player for the next 4-5 years
I believe the Reds have been approached by the Jays and Votto doesnt want to wave the NTC to go to Toronto.
How many times does Votto have to say he’s not waiving his NTC?
until he waves it. a lot of guys say they won’t wave it, but once the feeling comes that the organization wants to move them, they change their tune. Joey’s no different.
“Waive”. Waive the NTC. Waive the clause.
“Wave”? I hate the wave.
eh, whatever. honest mistake. thanks for being “that guy”
Shucks, always glad to enlighten !
p,s. “Whatever” is the password of the contentedly ignorant.
Reds aren’t trading Votto. Neither party has any interest in such a trade and have been on record repeatedly stating so
Calm yourself AddisonStreet and DHud, I only said it would be awesome to see him as a Blue Jay, never said it was happening .
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It would be awesome if the Cubs could get Trout for Matt Szczur. I say that just because I’d like to have it happen.
See? Anyone can post idle thoughts. But it would be better if they chose someone without a firm NTC and a firm desire and a constantly repeated conviction that he wants to stay in Cincinnati.
Brandon Phillips may be a fit for the Dodgers if the Twins do not lower their price on Dozier, depending on his choice
Makes more sense to stick with Barnes/Kiké at 2B than to take on a bunch of money for a marginal upgrade.
Joe Smith’s a hometown kid. He’ll sign with the Reds for sure, but not sure he’d be the closer.
The Cardinals need a slugging 1st baseman. The Reds need pitching and legitimate top prospects. Would Weaver, Bader, Tyler Lyons,
This part of the first post was left out. Weaver, Bader, Tyler Lyons, and Matt Adams get Votto?
#1. No, that’s not enough to get the Reds to move him.
#2. No. Votto isn’t waiving his NTC.
#3. No the Cardinals aren’t going to take on that contract which is set to become one of the worst in baseball
Absolutely no way that gets Votto. Any conversation with the Reds involving Votto would have to include the name Alex Reyes.
We can speculate all we want on with Votto’s contract, I am in the camp that thinks the Reds would get supressingly less than most Reds fans think, but he isn’t getting traded so it’s a moot point.
I think a lot of people underestimate the Reds’ in house options at SP. They have legit 8-10 SP prospects who will be ready for a big league audition between now and 2018. I don’t think they’ll be looking too hard to add pitching
Fellow Pirates fans will disagree, but would love to have Phillips at 2nd. Send JHay back to his hometown
Harrison for Phillips? The Reds would do that in a hot second.
Harrison is a utility guy. Ride him when he gets home. Phillips is a better glove with more power. Really a pipe dream as the Bucs are trying to shave contract dollars, not add
‘Ride him when he gets hot’. Sorry
Bailey is the big problem in the rotation
Their first deal is Billy Hamilton traded to the Mets, in a three team deal with Gsellman and Conforto headed from the Mets to the Reds, Mariners get Jay Bruce in the deal and send Luiz Gohara to the Reds. Some other small pieces even out the deal.
They act as if we’re going to sign high upside guys. No theyll wait til the end of spring training and sign whoever gets released or still is a free agent for as little as they can spend, even though its only a little less than these guys can get. I mean, Ross Ohlendorf, Blake Wood, Alfredo Simon. Cmon. Relievers don’t even make that much but they wont spend that few hundred thousand difference to get a decent one instead of an awful one.
They act like they’ll sign one of these guys to a bargain basement contract, whichever one of them is interested in a shot at closing with a likely trade to a contender if they do well. Anyone unwilling to play for a non-contender is out of reach. Seeing who falls that far, and is interested in that situation, may indeed take until spring training.
Blake Wood they went after aggressively, signing him in November or whatever last year, just after free agency started. They didn’t wait. And he was a smart pickup and a bargain.
I really thought they’d try and bring Edinson Volquez back to eat some starter innings.