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Nationals Notes: Harper, Kiermaier, McCutchen, Giolito, Wieters

By Mark Polishuk and Jeff Todd | December 5, 2016 at 6:03pm CDT

There’s a sense within the Nationals organization that it may not be possible to reach agreement with outfielder Bryce Harper on a long-term deal to keep him from reaching free agency after the 2018 season, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today.  A team source says that the club believes Harper is looking for a deal in excess of ten years and $400M — though it does not appear he has actually made such a specific request.  That level of contract would apparently be a non-starter for the team, which is perhaps not surprising after Harper failed to repeat his outstanding 2015 campaign.  Despite the chatter on the polarizing star, agent Scott Boras says that he has yet to discuss a long- term arrangement with the Nationals, per Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports (via Twitter).  Nats GM Mike Rizzo declined to comment on the subject, as Jorge Castillo of the Washington Post tweets.  Whatever situation may or may not exist involving a Harper extension, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reports that Harper isn’t the subject of any active trade talks.

Some more news out of Washington…

  • Also from Nightengale’s piece, he reports that the Nationals asked the Rays about Kevin Kiermaier but “consider the asking price exorbitant.”  Arguably the game’s best defensive player, Kiermaier has generated 13.1 fWAR over the last three seasons and is under team control through 2020, so it is very understandable that Tampa wants a huge return for Kiermaier’s services.
  • Both Nightengale and FanRag Sports’ Jon Heyman report that the Nats are willing to discuss prized righty Lucas Giolito, with Heyman noting that Giolito’s name has surfaced in talks with the White Sox about Chris Sale.  If D.C. is unwilling to part with either Trea Turner or Victor Robles, one would think that Giolito would almost have to be involved in a potential Sale trade, as Chicago surely wouldn’t part with its ace without landing at least one blue-chip youngster.
  • The Nats have found the Pirates’ asking price on Andrew McCutchen to be too high, Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets.  This doesn’t necessarily close the door on a McCutchen trade, though Sherman writes that the Nationals are reportedly more focused on other options, including a deal for Sale.
  • Despite some rumors to the contrary, the Nationals aren’t planning to flip catcher Derek Norris and then pursue Matt Wieters, Chelsea Janes of the Washington Post reports.
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  1. jakec77

    8 years ago

    Hypothetically, Yankees offer Gardner, Betances, G Sanchez, C Frazier for Harper. Who doesn’t do it?

    Reply
    • MySoxAreRed

      8 years ago

      Me

      Reply
      • MySoxAreRed

        8 years ago

        If I’m the Yankees- yeah I agree that the Nats jump on it

        Reply
      • arcadia Ldogg

        8 years ago

        The world

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    • yanksknicks

      8 years ago

      Id rather just keep gary he plays a premium position

      Reply
    • matzacski

      8 years ago

      Yankees. Why give away the farm for a guy you can just sign in 2 years to play with Frazier and Sanchez?

      Reply
    • nickytripz

      8 years ago

      The Yankees don’t. We can get him via free agency, if we want him in 2 years. Keep dreaming. I honestly think they are better off with Machado than Harper.

      Reply
    • McGlynnandjuice

      8 years ago

      Unless the Yankees pay gardners salary I’d have to imagine the nationals say no

      Reply
      • pukelit

        8 years ago

        Are you serious?! If the nats had any brains at all they would take that trade in a heart beat it would be a complete steal for them

        Reply
      • unsaturatedmatz

        8 years ago

        Really? That’s your issue with this deal? Franchise cornerstones are being traded, and you think that either team would be concerned with a $13 million salary to make or break the deal. There’s no way the Yankees would trade Gary Sanchez.

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    • stryk3istrukuout

      8 years ago

      Yankees don’t. Sanchez is their guy. If they want Harper, they’ll just sign him in two years, but I’d imagine they’ll be all in on Machado instead given that he plays third and comes with no injury questions.

      Reply
      • davidcoonce74

        8 years ago

        Machado has no injury questions? Did you forget the two straight years he suffered season-ending torn knee ligaments?

        Reply
    • misterj600

      8 years ago

      No way they trade Sanchez and Frazier for Harper.

      Reply
    • docmilo5

      8 years ago

      Yankees. I wait Harper out. He’s going to free agency one way or the other. The new CBA means you may not lose the pick for signing a FA and you keep Sanchez and add Harper.

      Reply
    • dave1775

      8 years ago

      Beyond dumb

      Reply
    • daruba

      8 years ago

      So they should thin out their bullpen, which they’re trying to bolster with possibly chapman, trade away their young stud controllable through 2020, a top prospect, and an above average OF/trade chip for two years of Harper with no promise of a contract extension? Sounds like a smart deal to me.

      Reply
    • pukelit

      8 years ago

      The Yankees would never do that. Especially if they think Harper would be available in a few years

      Reply
    • Yanksfanpaul 2

      8 years ago

      Then your crying 3 years later when Sanchez and Frazier are really good and Harper has a bad year

      Reply
    • davbee

      8 years ago

      Why would the Nats want the Yankees garbage like Gardner and Betances.? Pass.

      Reply
      • unsaturatedmatz

        8 years ago

        I don’t know, maybe because Betances is a better reliever than anyone on the Nats, and is better than any reliever they’ve had in a while.

        Reply
    • yanksfan2010

      8 years ago

      No way would the Yankees give up all of that for Harper. He had one great year and that’s about it. He is a career 279 hitter and one year with over 30 home runs. Look at how he played this past season. Batted 243, 24 home runs and 86 RBI’s with a 1.6 War. Only one season batting over 300, only one season with over 30 home runs, he never hit over 100 RBI’s. Zero chance the Yankees would do that. Especially after how Sanchez preformed this year.

      Reply
    • AndyM

      8 years ago

      God no that’s horrible. If I’m the Yankees I would jump on other FAs. Bryce is kinda overrated

      Reply
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  2. pustule bosey

    8 years ago

    10 years for 400m is just ridiculous. He’s good but he aint that kind of good.

    Reply
    • AddisonStreet

      8 years ago

      He’s not even really that good. He’s certainly no Trout.

      Reply
      • vtadave

        8 years ago

        No one is.

        Reply
      • Chefno2

        8 years ago

        Most overrated player in the game who acts like he is the greatest player in the game. Guy’s a joke. And we all know he will go into free agency and sign with the yankees. That’s who he is.

        Reply
      • Priggs89

        8 years ago

        In what world is Bryce Harper “not really that good”? The hate for this kid is unbelievable.

        Reply
        • SoCalBrave

          8 years ago

          I think not really “that” good means not really “10 years/400 million” good

          Reply
        • Priggs89

          8 years ago

          I don’t think so. The guy before him made the comment saying he’s “good but aint that kind of good.” Then the poster I responded to said he’s “not even really that good.”

          So unless he likes repeating exactly what the previous poster said for some odd reason, which I highly doubt, he must think that Harper isn’t that good in general.

          Reply
      • Cam

        8 years ago

        Mike Trout is the best player in the game, so yeah – Harper isn’t Trout.

        But to say “he’s not even really that good” is just plain ignorant. His down year is comfortably above average. And he has 5 seasons under his belt at age 24.

        It’s ok to hate the guy – I don’t like him personally. But don’t make yourself look ridiculous at the same time.

        Reply
    • ExileInLA 2

      8 years ago

      Nobody is – as ARoid showed.

      Reply
  3. Aaron Sapoznik

    8 years ago

    “If D.C. is unwilling to part with either Trea Turner or Victor Robles, one would think that Giolito would almost have to be involved in a potential Sale trade, as Chicago surely wouldn’t part with its ace without landing at least one blue-chip youngster.”

    Actually, one would think that both Victor Robles, Lucas Giolito and more would have to be involved in any trade for Chris Sale, particularly with Trea Turner (understandably) not being available.

    Reply
    • dazedatnoon

      8 years ago

      All this “untouchables” talk is driving me crazy. First, Sox can’t get Turner….now Robles is off limits???? Hahn needs to walk away.

      If this happens, it better be a REAL haul! I’m talking (Ross, Giolito, Lopez, Fedde, Dunning, Severino) type of haul.
      Even then Hahn better have plan B lined up to move some of these guys for positional talent.

      Reply
      • unsaturatedmatz

        8 years ago

        Trea Turner’s value is right around that of Sale after his incredible debut last year. Lots of team control, plus he offers versatility in the field, and is a table setter with some pop. I think that a fair deal would be Lucas Giolito, Victor Robles, Erick Feede, and Juan Soto

        Reply
  4. dalealvingribble

    8 years ago

    I would just buy a small Dominican Country or Island and develop my own pipeline before I gave Bryce Harper that much money.

    Reply
    • unsaturatedmatz

      8 years ago

      Haha

      Reply
    • BorgDevil

      8 years ago

      1

      Reply
      • BorgDevil

        8 years ago

        ‘ 1

        Reply
        • BorgDevil

          8 years ago

          This blog really hates plus signs.

          Reply
  5. Logjammer D"Baggagecling

    8 years ago

    That’s a terrible trade. Gardner isn’t getting any younger. No guarantee Frazier will pan out. The only prospect that is a guarantee is gleyber Torres. It will be hard to not call him up if he rakes in double A and triple A. He won’t even go to triple A. They’ll have to trade Castro and move Didi to 2nd. Get cash for Castro. He’s at his peak right now. And won’t improve at all. I’m shocked he hit more than 15 hrs this year.

    Reply
    • JT19

      8 years ago

      No surprise that the Cub fan, who proposed that the Cubs should’ve gotten Miller and Chapman for Torres in a different post, claims that Torres is the “only prospect that is a guarantee” and that Castro would only get cash (which he wouldn’t, he would arguably bring back a low level/lottery ticket type of prospect instead of just cash). Are you some sort of prospect guru/whisperer that you can assure that Torres will definitely pan out?

      Reply
    • JKB 2

      8 years ago

      Wrek is shocked because Wrek is clueless

      Reply
  6. jimkane112

    8 years ago

    Yanks will trade for Trout, not Harper.

    Reply
    • Halo27

      8 years ago

      Won’t happen. Trout has a no trade clause in his contract. He grew up a Philly fan. I believe that is where he would sign if he didn’t re-up with the Angels.

      Reply
      • Halo27

        8 years ago

        Now Harper grew up a Spankees fan…

        Reply
    • JT19

      8 years ago

      The Yankees (and everyone else in the league) does not have enough for Trout? The Yankees want to start coming up with a deal for Trout? Think Sanchez, Betances, Severino as a starting point. Probably need to throw on an additional two to three TOP tier prospects just to get the Angels’ attention.

      Reply
  7. notsofast

    8 years ago

    Harper is 24 has won rookie of the year and NL MVP. Nagging injuries prevented him from another year of domination. Sanchez, Betances, Judge and Gardner. Yankees sign Chapman, Wieters then extend Harper for 10 years at 400mm and don’t miss a beat.

    Harper & Yankees… Marriage made in heaven.

    Reply
    • dust44

      8 years ago

      Huge yanks fan. If they trade betances and Sanchez I’ll b one pissed off pinstriper

      Reply
  8. JoeyPankake

    8 years ago

    Harper will need to put up his numbers from 2015 for the next two years if he wants to get anywhere close to a 40MM AAV. That is more than half of some teams entire payroll. Insane to go anywhere near that number.

    Reply
    • kbarr888

      8 years ago

      Just to be clear……..the contract that is being discussed is rumored to be for………

      ………… “more than 10 years and $400 million”……..

      A 15 year contract for $400 million would be an AAV of about $26 million/yr.
      Not out of the question, IF Harper rebounds in 2017……….

      Stanton got $325 million over 13 years ($25 mil/yr)……..and Harper is a better all around player than Stanton.

      Reply
  9. RaysFan2021

    8 years ago

    Don’t trade Kevin Kiermaier.

    Reply
    • unsaturatedmatz

      8 years ago

      I wonder what the price on him was. I’m thinking they probably asked for something like Reynaldo Lopez and Joe Ross given they are lacking in the next wave of arms besides Honeywell.

      Reply
      • baronbeard

        8 years ago

        They have some good guys in the pipeline. 12 of their top 30 prospects are pitchers, 4 of them in the top 20 are at, or below Honeywell’s level in the organization (not necessarily talent wise). Though the Rays always taking pitchers, and could use more
        Left handlers in the organization. At the moment they seem to be targeting catchers and outfielders.

        Reply
  10. chawdaddy

    8 years ago

    I feel like people are forgetting that movie “Moneyball” in which the Yankees spent the most money of all the teams and still lost to the A’s.

    If Harper is indeed seeking 40 million per, then the Nats have no choice but to trade him as soon as possible. His value will never be higher than it is now because there are still 2 years left on his contract. Trade him for a boatload of young talent and spend the 40 million saved by trading Harper and sign a starting pitcher and a outfielder.

    Could i suggest both Sale and Cutch for 20 million a season?

    Reply
    • Priggs89

      8 years ago

      How many championships has Billy Bean won with the A’s? How many have the Yankees won? Trust me, Billy Bean wouldn’t be shopping in the bargain bin if he was in charge of the Yankees.

      Reply
    • pustule bosey

      8 years ago

      that was just a movie, it could never happen in real life.

      Reply
    • thetruth 2

      8 years ago

      The Yankees eliminated the A’s in the playoffs that year actually.

      Reply
      • LH

        8 years ago

        Twins

        Reply
      • JT19

        8 years ago

        You’re thinking of the year before. I only know that because Jeter flipped it to Posada (or whoever was catching) to tag out Giambi. Jason Giambi left that offseason and Jeremy was traded during the year.

        Reply
    • MB923

      8 years ago

      The Athletics have never beaten the Yankees in the playoffs.

      Reply
  11. oaklandfan1

    8 years ago

    Really wish the A’s would make a play for Kiermaier

    Reply
  12. cardinalsfan97

    8 years ago

    what would the cardinals have to give up for kiermaier

    Reply
    • baronbeard

      8 years ago

      Honestly, probably close to watch the price for Archer is.

      Reply
  13. greatgame 2

    8 years ago

    Giolito has 6.75 ERA and more walks than strikeouts????

    Reply
  14. sarismash

    8 years ago

    Harper for Sale, straight up. Which side walks away from the deal? As a Nats fan, and Harp fan, I think I might actually do it.

    Reply
    • thetruth 2

      8 years ago

      White Sox easily because they won’t pay Harper 400 million and they’d only have him for 2 years.

      Reply
    • 1e828d29

      8 years ago

      I don’t think so. If sale gets traded it’s rebuild mode for the white sox. Harper for 2 years doesn’t bod with that philosophy.

      Reply
  15. 1e828d29

    8 years ago

    My Cubs fans are going to hate this idea. Schwarber, Baez and carl Edwards jr. for Bryce Harper. Just an idea don’t kill me fellow Cubs fans. I just really like Harper in a Cubs uniform even though he has a strong personality.

    Reply
    • thetruth 2

      8 years ago

      Nationals pass.

      Reply
      • 1e828d29

        8 years ago

        What do you think it would take to get him? This is a hypothetical question. I know I’m going to get scolded regardless…

        Reply
        • Cam

          8 years ago

          Not enough from the Cubs, me thinks. Schwarber is a DH playing the outfield and not long removed from a nasty knee injury. Baez is fantastic with the glove, but has a lot of development to do with the bat to be considered an above-average regular…and Carl Edwards Jr is a middle reliever, albeit a semi-interesting one.

          Harper’s down-year is still well above-average, and the Nats will be hard pressed to let go a guy who’s ceiling – that he has already displayed – is historically good. That 2015..9.5 fWAR at age 23, was just bonkers.

          Reply
        • 1e828d29

          8 years ago

          Completely understand. I’m a huge Harper fan. Love the way he plays. Throw in Ian Happ or eloy jimenez and the nationals might have something to think about IMO. However it looks like they are going all on for sale.

          Reply
        • Cam

          8 years ago

          Yeah, there’s too much “Washington wants to go big” smoke for there not to be fire…

          Reply
        • LH

          8 years ago

          I could see those talks going two ways, one with rizzo centering the package around Hendricks to help the ML roster and one centered around position playing prospects, like happ and Jimenez plus some young major league talent. In either scenario I’m sure the nats would try to pry contrarian away as well.

          Reply
        • LH

          8 years ago

          Contreras*

          Reply
        • 1e828d29

          8 years ago

          That hurts but I get it. The Cubs will just have to wait until he becomes a free agent.

          Reply
      • JKB 2

        8 years ago

        I thank the Nationals for passing on that

        Reply
    • JKB 2

      8 years ago

      Dumb idea. You have Cubs unloading significant young core talent for a few years of Harper. Then what? Cubs then need to pay 400 million to keep him or get a third round pick? Just because you really want to see him in a Cubs uniform a few years? No thank you.

      Reply
  16. cmaverick

    8 years ago

    thing everyone is missing is Harper is a HUGE yankee fan, his number is in honour of mantel (he’s 3+4, mantel was 7). Dudes coming over in free agency. Thats why Clint Frazier bugged him on twitter not long ago about it. So any team he is traded to he has to be seen as just a rental.

    Reply
    • 1e828d29

      8 years ago

      I don’t think Bryce Harper taking a pic with a Mickey Mantle plaque and posting it on Instagram makes him a lock for the Yankees. They will still have to compete with the Cubs in free agency.

      Reply
      • kbarr888

        8 years ago

        Hate to say it, but the Dodgers will have cleared a bunch of payroll by the winter of 2018 as well……..and should be “in on Harper” as well……(unless they trade for Braun, and his $20 mil/yr albatross contract………Ugh!…)

        Reply
      • JT19

        8 years ago

        Don’t see the Cubs being in the running for Harper with Heyward’s bad contract, Schwarber presumably still in LF, and CF currently being an unknown (Harper could slide there, but I feel like he’s better off in the corners). I also feel like the Red Sox will be in the bidding for Harper, even if it is just to drive up the price on Harper (i.e. so the Yankees aren’t freely bidding on Harper) and I could see the Dodgers being in there too if they unclog their OF situation and get Kershaw locked up beforehand.

        Reply
        • 1e828d29

          8 years ago

          A lot can change in 2 years and weird things happen in this business. The Cubs basically flipped Castro for zobrist last winter. The same year Harper becomes a FA Heyward can opt out if he bounces back. Schwarber/Baez can be traded. Harper and the Cubs like each other and that should be obvious by now. It’s not a cake walk at all for the Yankees.

          Reply
  17. yanksfan2010

    8 years ago

    He is crazy if he thinks they should pay him 400 million and ten years. I’m guessing he forgot how he played this past season. He hit below 250 and did not hit 30 home runs or 100 RBI’s and his WAR was 1.6. If he has another year like that then he won’t get 300 million or anything that he thinks he should get paid.

    Reply
    • JT19

      8 years ago

      $40 million AAV is an absurd asking price, but if you’re benchmarks for a good player is 30 home runs and/or 100 RBI’s, you’re sadly mistaken. He’s also a year removed from a MVP award and a .330/.460/.649 line with 42 HRs and 99 RBIs. Not saying that he will, but if he puts up numbers like that again, a team like the Yankees will throw a blank check at Harper.

      Reply
  18. rogery

    8 years ago

    harper actually had reached his peak in 2015. he lost himself so much in 2016 and doesn’t have the tough mind to conquer himself. this guy is weak inside and far below kris bryant’s level. 2017 won’t be a much better year for him and 6 yr 150MM probably will be the best offer when he reaches FA.

    Reply
    • JT19

      8 years ago

      I mean in regards to his pure numbers, a .330/.460/.649 with 42 HRs and 99 RBIs is definitely his peak since those numbers are absurd. I don’t think he’ll ever put up numbers like that together in one season, but he’s young enough that he could be reasonably be expected to bounceback.

      Reply
  19. Sportfeen69

    8 years ago

    Harper will sign for 8 years $325mil

    Reply
  20. kjkkpsi

    8 years ago

    Nats no longer have a “Sale”…haha…ehh…. Give Neal a call back the offer likely still stands. We Pirates fans love developing young talent to sell off as soon as they show a glimmer of stardom.

    Reply

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