MONDAY: The deal is official, with the Padres announcing the signing of Hosmer as well as the key terms.
SATURDAY: The Padres have agreed to sign first baseman Eric Hosmer, Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune reports. The contract is an eight-year deal that includes an opt-out clause after the fifth season, according to MLB Network’s Jon Morosi (via Twitter). The deal contains a full no-trade clause for the first three seasons and then limited no-trade protection afterwards, Bleacher Report’s Scott Miller reports (Twitter links). Hosmer will be paid $20MM in each of the first five seasons and $13MM in the three remaining years, plus a $5MM signing bonus. The $144MM total figure represents the largest contract in the history of the Padres franchise. Hosmer is represented by the Boras Corporation.
The agreement concludes a rather unusual trip through the open market for Hosmer, and he winds up on a team that nobody could’ve predicted as a potential suitor last fall. With a rebuild underway and Wil Myers safely locked in at first base, the Padres didn’t at all appear to fit as a landing spot for Hosmer’s services. Instead, San Diego rather quickly emerged as an interested party in Hosmer, as the team felt that his young age (he turned 28 last October) indicated that he could still be a productive cornerstone player when the Padres were again ready to contend. With Hosmer now signed, in fact, it’s possible that the Friars could push that contention timeline forward by at least one season.
[Updated Padres depth chart at Roster Resource]
Hosmer is the second major free agent first baseman to join a surprise team this winter, after Carlos Santana’s deal with the Phillies. Both signings represent aggressive moves by rebuilding clubs, and while Philadelphia has been widely expected to kickstart their ride back into contention with a big splurge in the 2018-19 free agent market, the Padres were seen to be at least a couple of years away since most of the top names in their well-regarded farm system were still in the lower minors. General manager A.J. Preller is no stranger to aggressive moves, so it wouldn’t be surprising if he tried to deal some of those young blue-chippers for players that could help the Padres as soon as 2019.
The lackluster San Diego lineup has now added three notable veteran upgrades this offseason, though obviously Hosmer is a long-term asset in a way that Chase Headley and Freddy Galvis (potential trade chips and both signed through only 2018) are not. Myers will shift into a corner outfield spot, leaving Jose Pirela, Hunter Renfroe, Alex Dickerson, Cory Spangenberg, and Matt Szczur all battling for regular at-bats in the other corner position or in bench roles. The Padres could also look to deal from this surplus to add pitching depth in the rotation or bullpen.
Hosmer entered free agency on the heels of a career year that saw him hit .318/.385/.498 (all career bests) with 25 homers and 98 runs scored over 671 plate appearances with the Royals last season, and he was also one of five players who appeared in all 162 of his team’s games in 2017. As good as he was, however, Hosmer is still looking to string together consecutive quality seasons as a big leaguer — he has alternated between strong years and replacement-level performances in each of the last six seasons. Hosmer’s grounder-heavy offensive attack seems to leave him prone to a wide variance in production, as he has been pretty average in the power and walks department. It has been theorized that Hosmer’s approach at the plate would differ if he left Kauffman Stadium, though moving to another pitcher-friendly stadium in Petco Park will make it interesting to see what adjustments, if any, Hosmer makes.
These question marks surrounding Hosmer’s status as a top-tier player, plus the general chill surrounding the free agent class as a whole this offseason, may have contributed to a relative lack of teams in his market. With other possible first base-needy teams (i.e. the Red Sox, Mariners, Cardinals) turning to other lineup options, Hosmer’s market was seemingly limited to just the Padres and Royals.
A Hosmer reunion also seemed somewhat curious for a K.C. team that appears to be entering a rebuild stage, though the Royals also valued Hosmer’s youth and potential as a long-term building block, particularly since he has already contributed to one World Series title and is hugely popular within both the Kansas City community and the Royals’ clubhouse. The Royals had reportedly offered Hosmer a seven-year deal in the nine-figure range, though the exact dollar figure wasn’t quite certain.
Instead, the Royals will now receive an extra pick after the first round of the June amateur draft as compensation for Hosmer (who rejected a qualifying offer) signing elsewhere for more than $50MM. Combined with their other compensation pick for Lorenzo Cain’s deal with the Brewers, plus their Competitive Balance Draft selection, the Royals currently have four of the top 40 picks in the draft, setting them up for a strong reload of their farm system. Another pick will be coming their way if Mike Moustakas signs elsewhere, as well. For the Padres, since they are revenue-sharing recipients and didn’t exceed the luxury tax, they’ll only have to surrender their third-highest draft pick as penalty for signing Hosmer.
The Padres had reportedly issued a seven-year offer worth under $140MM to Hosmer, so it looks like the extra year and the extra bit of cash sealed the deal. Hosmer is guaranteed to make at least $105MM as a Padre, and he’ll have the option of testing the free agent market again after his age-32 season. MLBTR projected Hosmer for a six-year, $132MM deal this winter (ranking third on our list of the offseason’s top 50 free agents), so Hosmer’s actual deal fell short in average annual value ($18MM per year to our $22MM per year) but contained more potential years and a larger overall dollar figure. If Hosmer does opt out, he’ll have earned an average of $21MM per season over the first five years.
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got the 8 years and an opt out. he did pretty well
Lol he won’t be opting out no worries there.
Yea I mean seriously. That opt out is a real chuckle.
3/39 is not hard to beat with a new CBA
It’s an insurance policy. If he really sucks or gets hurt he gets a free $39 million.
Exactly. You can bet your assets he’s opting out. That annual salary will be a bargain in 5 years. Seriously.
Smart move by the Padres……They are banking on him leaving after 5 yrs
He’ll be leaving after 4 months.
Hosmer will be traded at the deadline.
For what level of production will it be a bargain?
Dumb move by the Padres. They are banking on him staying for $13m per year the last 3 years. That will only happen if he is hurt and cant play. If he is good he opts out
He was a complete no trade clause for the first 3 years.
Nope. Full no trade clause and no trade value
Some of you guys forget that baseball is still entertainment. Adding Hosmer does a lot for a city with only one professional team. Numbers this, numbers that. So many 14-45 year old women will be buying his jersey and paying extra money to sit on the first base line. Think outside of just how this fits our rebuild for a second, you have to get a big free agent to attract others right?!?
FULL NTC
Cool, since you know so much about the 2022 season, who should I bet on in the 2022 World Series?
It will be the Cleveland Browns beating the Edmonton Oilers 4 games to 3 with a game winning 3 pointer in the 4th Quarter of game 7
Lmao…..now that was funny !!!!
Will be the two expansion teams facing off: The Montreal Expos (NL) vs. Las Vegas Strippers (AL), with Bryant and Harper playing together on the latter.
That’s funny I don’t care who you are.
When in doubt always guess C(ubs)
When in doubt always guess C(ubs)…every 108 years.
Well, at least you would’ve been right one time in the past 100 years.
Padres
Astros
Lol good chance he actually opts out. He wil be walking from $13 M per year for 3 years. Not tough to walk from especially when $13m per year in 8 years may be like $8 m or so today. He will be 33 when he can opt out.
Tim me will tell but financially right now padres gave him basically a 5 year $105 deal
And if he does, Hosmer at 3/$39m is going to be looking like a bargain at that point. Thus, the opt out hurts the Padres.
Umm how does Hosmer opting out hurt the Padres? That means he would perform and bring value to his contract while opting out after his prime.
It’s WCR, he hates everything
Because it would mean they lose a player who they have signed for below market value
He will have motivation to be able to make more on the open market. Not rocket science. 5/105 is a smoking deal
you’re not very smart
Except for the fact that he is extremely average.
And if he sucks then we are stuck paying him 3/$39m for the out years
It does not mean he out performed and added value it only means he out performed the last 3 years of $13m AAV.
So the last 3 years is where there is value here and the Padres will never see that value. Dumb opt out for the Padres. Just terrible.
Not really. It’s essentially a 5 year/105 mil deal, which is extremely affordable. It also motivates him for another payday. For 99% of human beings, that kind of motivation is priceless to out perform your job
Contract would be better for the Padres without the opt out
Yes, but we wouldn’t have been able to structure the contract the way we did without the opt out. We would have paid him 18 mil a year all 8 years. Paying him an extra 3 mil per year in first 5 years saves us from having to move 15 mil more of potentially dead money the last 3 of his declining years
No it doesn’t you nitwit! If he is playing at a level where we would want to not have to move that money, we will have to!
What are you babbling about. It saves you $15 in dead money? No it costs you $39 million in dead money if he is hurt or just stinks and is not worth the 3/39m at the opt out stage.
Jesus how do people not understand this simple concept?
The opt out favors the player
The contract is higher with the opt out!
Yeah im guessing at 33 he will be opting out. Unless the guy falls off a cliff there is no way he wont opt out. 39 million will be nothing to top in 5 years. The padres made out really well on this deal. They get him for 5 years 100 million. I would have loved having him for that
Legitimately serious question here. Do the GM in baseball have to undergo drug tests for recreational drugs?
no idea but that cracked me up.
Preller and Rays GM tried edibles for the first time tonight
I believe they do get tested although players on 40 man do not for non PEDs. For staff though it is very rare.
This man has been a model of inconsistency. His WAR on alternating years from 2011-2017 has been:
Fangraphs —Baseball-Reference
1.0 ————- 1.5 (2011)
-1.7 ———– -0.4 (2012)
3.2 ————- 3.5 (2013)
0 ————– 0.8 (2014)
3.5 ———— 3.6 (2015)
-0.1 ———– 1.0 (2016)
4.1 ————- 4.0 (2017)
fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=3516&posit…
baseball-reference.com/players/h/hosmeer01.shtml
This contract isn’t for the faint of heart. I can’t see this player easily projected.
I know – a guy who is as much a probability being awful as good gets an 8 year deal. Insanity.
I wonder whether there is going to be any talk from the union or agents about collusion after this deal?
The only collusion here is the Padres’ FO’s collision with reality.
Ha! No he won’t be opting out. Boras always finds that one dumb team.
Dave Cameron just blew a gasket
unless dave only wrote that article just to keep everyone else away and he really knows something no one else does…..
this made me laugh lol
As conspiracy theories go, I’ve heard worse ones.
Would love to be there the first time Cameron and Hosmer pass in the hall.
No it’s not tornadk people that was just all of Kansas City exhaling in relief. Felt it all the way up here in Canada. I hope Logan Morrison likes Kansas City.
LoMo is from KC and said it would be a dream to play for them
You think LoMo will be signed by the Royals? Since they are in a rebuild, I think they’ll use prospects instead of spending money.
Have you not seen rebuilding team’s sign players to 1 year deals?
Padres are in a rebuild and they just blew $144 mm.
What prospects? We don’t have a single player in the top 50
Yeah, LoMo makes a lot of sense now as a 1-2 year backfill
They’ll soon have 5 of the top 40 picks
They dont really have a prospect ready for 1B. LoMo, being from KC, will be less money and quickly become a fan favorite. Being a small market, KC still has to sell tickets to survive.
Padres have been in a perpetual rebuild for 20 years Havnt they?
Hunter Dozier can play 1B.
Not 20 years haha. They’ve made the playoffs 3 times since then (05,06, and 07, yes that’s a wild card game, hence postseason) . Also they had 90 wins with a payroll of 38 million in 2010. There are some teams who still haven’t made the world series. Padres have gone twice, not to mention it took the dodgers a long time to make it and they have one of the biggest payrolls in baseball.
Nope. The rebuild started on June 4th, 2016 (the day James Shields was traded to the White Sox)
I think he will become the 1B version of Jason Heyward.
8 years? Wow.
Wow, that is big off-season news. However, that is a lot of years and money to throw at a player with a limited track record of success. How in the world is he going to be good for all eight years of that contract?
He doesn’t have to be good for all 8 years. It’s called surplus value up front so you can tolerate the dead weight at the end. That being said this is still a questionable deal for SD
At least San Diego tries to be competitive. I am far from a Padres fan, but the are a small market team that at least makes an attempt to win. Even if they aren’t good at it.
Dead weight at the end. Ask Arturo Moreno how he feels about the “Dead weight ” at the end of Albert Pujols’ contract.
everyone, including Moreno, knew the pujols contract was going to be dead weight at the latter half. it’s not really a surprise to anyone.
Difference is Hosmer is younger when he is signing this vs Pujols was already towards end of his prime
There was no live weight at any point in the Pujols contract
At least Pujols knows how to drive in Trout. Man, could you imagine how much better Trout would be if he had a prime Pujols protecting him? Not that he needs it.
Opt out after 5 gives each party flexibility.
Nope. Just Hosmer.
How does it give each party flexibility if only Hosmer can opt out
It doesn’t really but I guess in theory there is a 99% chance he opts out barring a catastrophic injury.
Ok so if injured its a bad deal for the Padres. Now you says if not injured there is 99% chance he opts out of the last 3 years of $13m per year which if he plays well the Padres will not want him to opt oit.
So it what scenario is this good for the Padres
Exactly! It only favors the player
Wowwwww Pads blinked!
Lol, why?
Padres are idiots. Explains why their team is garbage. Hosmer is a good player for sure, but not great at all. Certainly not a star player in the league. A star in KC, but no where else. 8 years is insane for a player of his caliber. People can hate on Scott Boras all they want but he’s a damn good agent. He’s done it and worked his magic again.
This appears to be for much less than Boras was asking, and the low salaries after the opt out essentially makes it a five year contract, half of what he was asking. The extra 3 years are something neither Boras nor the Padres expect Hosmer to be accepting, but gives the illusion that Boras did ok for his client.
Actually, you sound very ignorant w that comment. It’s essentially a 5/105. Hardly an overpay w a long term commitment. Headleybis getting 13 a mil in the last year of his contract. 13 mil a year for the final 3 years starting in 2023 will be equivalent to a 3 year 18 mil contract is in today’s market.
5/105 for Hosmer is a huge overpay
Hosmer played 1b on the champion Team USA in the World Baseball Classic. He beat Padres rivals Giants in World Series and has a career average over 400 at Petco Park. Last season was the best year of his career and at 28 he is probably entering his prime for the next 3-7 years?
So he is entering his prime in 3-7 years? So his prime is 31-37? Are you stoned?
Oh and stop the presses! He has a .400 ave in Petco park you say? How many at bats. 20? 30? Lol. Sure give him $144 million he hit .400 for team USA in the 3 games he played at Petco!
Padres fans are so clueless
Giants beat the Royals in the World Series
the next 3-7 years woule be age 28 – 30/34.
That’s a very small sample! Not 81 games a year like he’ll be playing! So you think he’ll be in his prime at 35? Yea, ok !
you mean 33, its a 5 year deal lol..
it’s good to add good players to your team at a reasonable price
Except that Hosmer is not good, and $144 is not my idea of reasonable.
Yes Ronald so what is your point? What does that have to do with Hosmers unreasonable deal
Oh my. Padres gave in…they will regret that 8 year deal.
They’ve pretty much tripped over themselves all offseason to get him.
As a Pads fan, I’m guessing management wants to prop up a few 75 win seasons sooner than later. So dumb. So Padres!
I think it’s a move that totally makes sense for the Padres. They have no one even close at 1B in the minors. Hosmer will be the steadying factor on what will be a very young infield by 2019. Plus he’s an above average hitter, super competitive and a natural leader with a ring. If he was 31 and not 28 i’d say it’s a horrible deal.
Did you forget about Wil Myers? He played 1B.
By pushing Myers to the outfield, they are screwing up some OF prospects as well. Renfroe, Pirela, Cordero and Dickerson now seem misplaced, not to mention of course Josh Naylor, who i’m not very high on, but it’s a decent prospect.
Lol you smucks…no one here can think for themselves, you can only regurgitate what you hear other people you view as smart say. Further, they are not smart and you as a person have no confidence in your own thoughts…forget baseball, life in general sucks on a daily basis for pawns like you guys lol…
Hey, how’s kendrys morales doing?
Exactly. J. D. Drew as well
I dont know what you mean by JD Drew, but Juicemaine went on and on in the fangraphs comment section about how Kendrys Morales would be a good signing.
Oh jesus Morales got screwed by Boras and so did JD Drew
Yes Padres caved in and bowed down to Boras
It only took the entire offseason for it to finally happen
MLBTR BOMB!
It’s actually a Kevin Acee and Jon Morosi bomb.
Take a guess at the numbers, xabial?
Too late to play the game 😉
Sources: Hosmer to #Padres is for 8 years, opt out after 5, front-loaded deal: $20 million each of first 5 years, $13 mil each of last three years, AAV $18 mil.
5 X 20 = 100.
3 X 13 = 39
139 / 8
$5 million signing bonus, making this an eight-year, $144 million
cbssports.com/mlb/news/padres-reportedly-agree-to-…
8 for 144, first 5 is for 105
Depends when paid. I just did AAV salaries without signing bonus.
$5M Signing bonus included, $18M AAV 8 year deal ($144M total)
Things are subject to change, because details are scarce at this point, but my source is CBS Sports. 8 years with an opt-out clause after fifth.
cbssports.com/mlb/news/padres-reportedly-agree-to-…
.270/.320/.400
Touché.
The nightmare is over?
Now The JD Martinez nightmare needs to end.
Well that escalated slowly
Well played sir.
Lol.
This. So. Much. This! Hilarious
Slow clap.
Boom. Market blast off
BOOM
A little Late night Saturday drive action my dudes!!!
Yes but on a night when no MLB Tonight in Offseason. Means Moose back to KC has to happen.
the chips are beginning to fall
It’s happening!! It’s happening!!
Wow.
Yikes. 8 years? Even with the opt out, that’s a silly number of years.
Nice this makes the young team that much better. Mark it down padres at least an even record at the end of the year
Nope. You need pitching for that.
They have plenty of pitching coming through the farm.
but, unless it is ready to help this year, it’s irrelevant to the point
…..they’re not trying to contend this year, the rebuild is still in effect.
You mean their 20 year rebuild ?
Yeah… Mediocrity.
Not
Even? Like in even numbers, then yes, right about 78-84.
Is it just me or is 8 years a lot for a guy who two years ago was worth negative fWAR?
it’s just you, he’ll be a good piece for them a couple of years from now when they are in contention
Its not just him at all
In contention for what?
For last place in their division !
1 up vote (which was you) and 12 down votes. I think the consensus is that this deal is garbage for the Padres.
It’s definitely not just you.
MHanny17…. it isn’t just you. Padres will regret this signing.
It’s not just you. There are multiple red flags on this guy and yet they gave him 8 years. That’s just crazy. This also means Myers now has to move back to the outfield.
I have 2 concerns. 1) Never hit more than 20 homers before 2016. 2) Never slugged .500+ (Career .439 slugging percentage)
But this is a big fish — and unlike MANY FA — has youth. (28 on Oct) Congrats Padres Fans! 1B Position solidified.
Must watch video on Eric Hosmer’s Eye-Test vs. Metrics debate.
Joel Sherman:
“I did MLB Now with Dave Cameron and he was hardly a fan of Eric Hosmer, pointing out groundball-hitting, range-on-defense worries, and he is now going to #Padres, 1 of few teams so far linked to Hosmer. Good luck to Dave, but I guess good luck to Hosmer, too.”
twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/951133810640457728
WRONG SHERMAN!! Padres still signed him, despite hiring Hosmer’s biggest critic, from that panel. Here’s the fascinating video Sherman was talking about. Hosmer’s biggest critic in this video, was recently hired by Padres.
twitter.com/MLBNetwork/status/942432456606605312/v…
@xabial
So what is your point? You think that hiring has anything to do with Hosmer.
It was reported the Padres FO was split on Hosmer in the first place. Sorry the hiring does not even mean that he changed his mind on Hosmer. Its a bad deal for the Padres. Enjoy him.
Quite the opposite. This hiring has nothing to do with Hosmer since this hiring wanted nothing to do with him— at that price.
Again so what was the point of your original post?
That slugging % should be a major concern.. His lifetime OPS of .781 is very concerning as well for a 1st baseman.. Let’s compare him to James Loney through his age 27 season..
————– OBP –SLG –OPS
Loney—–.345— .439– .784
Hosmer—.342– .439– .781
Granted Loney’s first two seasons were only partial and Hosmer has a full additional season under his belt but the numbers are still a bit too similar for my liking.. The Padres are definitely going to regret this one similarly to the Cubs and the Heyward contract..
Heyward forgetting how to hit the second he became a Cub is a sad story.
Hosmer has been considerably better over past three years – age 25-27.
359/463/822
I think he probably will deliver at least that much for Padres and be a good player. But deal still makes little sense for Padres or, aside from the money, for Hosmer. Likely will be in baseball oblivion on bad team on West Coast. Could have become legend on equally bad team in Kansas City. Money talks. Good luck to him and Padres. He is an okay guy who came up big at times for KC.
Loney was the following in years 25 to 27
342/403/744
Killer comparison (probably a fluke) is Billy Butler ages 25 to 27
369/462/831
HOZ – 359/463/822
YIKES
It doesn’t make sense but try considering their perspective?. They have over a half dozen pitching prospects to try out this coming season; one of my favorites, Joey Lucchesi is a long-shot to start the year in their rotation and will probably have to wait until June to get a chance? And who knows when he’ll get a chance if Perdomo, Lamet, Erlin, Rea, Mitchell, etc succeed? If Richard can pitch like September? If any of the dumpster dives (Chris Young, Tyson Ross) can turn into treasures? Simultaneously, Padres have potential Aces in lower minors headlined by Mackenzie Gore. They have middle infielders also on the way but they are more in 2019 and beyond plans than 2018 but talented depth, like deep with some needing to move to 3b and OF. So is Hosmer a good leader to surround by young players/prospects? Especially after next season, the team will be composed of players that haven’t tested free agency. His buddy Wil Myers will be the only other bat that has tested FA if 2018 contracted Headly and Galvis part as rentals. Fact is, Padres don’t have enough spots in the line up for all their talented young kids but better to make them compete for time then to have no options?.
Myers hasn’t tested free agency and won’t for 5 more years
Ask the Cubs how Jason Heyward’s youth in his 8 year contract is going.
Heyward was an elite Defensive player, time of signing. Hosmer isn’t bad defensively, but his 4 GG’s misleading.
Since 2016, Among all MLB First Basemen, he’s ranked:
Last in UZR (-8.7)
3rd worst in Defensive Runs Saved (-13)
First in First Basemen Scoops (70)
Won four of the last five Gold Glove (2013-2015, 2017)
I believe Hosmer’s defense is the biggest Wild Card. Like I’ve said, he’s got youth.
Source: Skip to 3:13 of the video, I posted before:
twitter.com/MLBNetwork/status/942432456606605312
It really was a fascinating video (Hosmer Eye Test vs. Metric)
UZR is misleading when it comes to 1B defense since it only includes balls hit to the 1B, not those thrown to him and a 1B takes 1000 more throws than balls hit his direction. Last season Hosmer was a -0.3 UZR. About league average.
Scoops are balls thrown in the dirt. Picks are balls offline in the air. Add them together and he saved 52 errors from happening last season. That is 9 better than the next best 1B last season, Anthony Rizzo. It was 16 better than the best 1B in UZR Joe Mauer and 22 better than the 2nd best 1B in UZR Joey Votto.
52 additional baserunners in scoring position averages out to a R/E of 43 runs saved. We don’t have the context of how many outs there were when the out was recorded and how many bases the runner would have advanced on the error, but no matter what it’s 37 runs to 59 runs saved.
I’m a cubs fan and anyone who even tries to argue that Heywards contract isn’t that bad is ridiculous. Not only does he not deserve that money but it hurts them finalist least to stay under the tax fir many years.
Do you have a link to some data to back up these stats?
I’d sure like to take a look at it.
Fangraphs for scoops and Baseball Prospectus if you are a subscriber for more detailed stats.
So Wil Myers to be traded? Hosmer ain’t much better.
Myers said he’s ok with playing outfield if they sign Hoz
They would have to attach someone like Baez to Hand to be able to trade him. His trade value is in shambles.
He can only go up in value. I think he’s poised for a year closer to 2016. He’s apparently more focused, training harder, and put on 20 lbs of muscle. It’s all about the mental in the pro’s.
“He can only go up in value.”
Wrong!
hopefully for padres this is a heavily front-loaded deal. Helps the odds of him opting out and making it a 5 year deal while also saving some money when they actually plan to contend and spend some dough.
This is what I’m hoping too. It would certainly make the contract easier to swallow and the money would not be as much of an issue in the long run.
exactly, but for some reason teams never front load deals it seems like.
They did.
$20M each of first 5 years, $13M each of his final 3.
$5M signing bonus brings total to $144M
Exactly what i was thinking they should do.!
They don’t want him to opt out. And if they do there is no chance of it happening.
I concur with not wanting him to opt out. I’ll give them credit for doing everything they can to minimize risk of opt-out. 5 years is a long time to have someone under contract, and front loading the deal is smart. Five years from now, who knows what three years $39M will be worth on the open market.
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Such a long wait for a stupid move. Mediocre player getting 8 years. Can just imagine the overpay involved. Feel bad for Sand Diego fans because a low budget team with that albatross is going to hurt bad.
I think the budget under this ownership is larger than people think, but we’ll find out soon enough as they intend to compete by next year
Quality player. But don’t they have a good 1st baseman who kind of broke out once he moved there? Strange move to some degree.
YAAAAAAY
Should not have caved to Boras.
Holy fish, 8 years is a long time…What’s the AAV?
18m AAV over all 8
My oh my.
For the Padres’ sake, I hope the opt out is for them.
I really want a team to negotiate a team opt out in one of these deals.
There are team options all the time
There has never as far as I know been a team opt out in a contract, There are team options at the end of the contract but never a team opt out at the beginning of a contract. No player would ever sign that deal if they knew the team could just terminate it after a year or so, come on man, think
nope, but they are the same, just at different times
Exactly, a team opt-out in the middle of a contract makes absolutely zero sense for the player. All I was pointing out was that team options at the end of contracts happen all the time, and those are, in effect, team opt-out clauses
I wasn’t suggesting after a year, but somewhere deeper in the deal, say after 4 or 5 years. If this market continues in the future, I could see some players(obviously not superstars) giving teams an opt out just to get a deal done.
And a player opt-out in the middle of a contract makes no sense for a team either, yet they still happen. If this off-season becomes the new normal, expect middle of the contract opt-outs for teams as well.
Team opt-outs in the middle of the contract will NEVER happen.
If he opts out in this deal this will be an amazing deal for the Padres because it means he’s performing so well that he thinks he can get more at age 33. Im assuming maybe the contract includes a front-loaded signing bonus to make the opt-out relevant to Hosmer. 8 years is scary, hope it works for both sides.
Contract would be better for the Padres without the opt out. Or if it were just straight up 5/$105m
I guess you don’t understand how opt outs work, it’s for the player, not for the team
The opt out is never for the team, always the player!
And the Padres give in. I didn’t think he would get the eighth year, especially how this offseason has gone. If anything teams have all of the leverage, since the players are the ones without jobs. The Padres weren’t even specifically looking for a first baseman. A strange signing. My guess is 8/146.
Saturday night’s alright for a signing.
Saturday night’s alright.
lol Padres
Congrats Pads on your guaranteed albatross.
Way to go Baja Los Angeles
Probably should at least wait and see the contract details or god forbid, how he plays over a few seasons before you call it an albatross. He is only 28 and coming off his best season yet. It could end up ugly, but to throw it away while the ink isn’t dry as a bad contract is just kinda stupid.
His best season by far wasn’t anything special; convenient that it came in a contract year as well.. He is only 28 and just signed an 8 year deal, taking him to 36(yikes!). I don’t need to wait for the ink to dry to know that it’s going to be an albatross; didn’t need to wait for Ellsbury’s deal to be official either(Heyward as well). Whomever signs Arrieta will regret it as well.
It was the 7th best WAR for a 1b. Sure it’s not top tier but calling it nothing special seems a tad silly.
Not bad if it’s for 120 and the Padres have the out option.
it averages 18 and, no, it’s for the player
5 years is the most but 8. He’ll be too old perform at acceptable level. Hopefully there is no trade clause. Hopefully! Because atleast they will have some flexibility with that.
I’m guessing, of the 5 years, 134 Mil is guaranteed and he can earn up to 165.
YES! Additional draft pick for Royals to help rebuild vs more debt!
I like how people have been crying all off season about how slow the market is, then some moves are made and everyone is a critic lol.
just because they wanted moves does not mean they have to agree
Cause it’s not their team. The trolls will praise their signings as the best in mlb. Someone else signs there is a list if why it’s stupid. Typical haters n jelouse fans who need to grow up
No one is jealous of this signing…
5 year/105 mil is fantastic value. So is the 3/39 back end. Give me an argument why it’s not? Gold glove, silver slugger, LH, all star, champion, leader, and only 28. I’ll check back chester
He has averaged less than 2 fwar a season. You didn’t need to check back, you coud have just looked at his inconsistent career for yourself…
chester – relax, you’re not going to convince Pads fans. I am aware that you were posting on this site well BEFORE the signing how unwise you thought it was to sign a player as inconsistent as Hosmer to a long term contract.
If Hosmer were really a consistent 4 WAR player every year, this contract would be highway robbery on the part of the Pads. But he is not.
And the FACT is that he’s had negative and zero fWAR in three of the last six years. This is – despite what some think is the modest money – a huge risk for the Padres, because if we puts up the kinds of crappy seasons he’s put up for half his career it’s throwing away money. How some here think that’s a debatable POV is baffling.
As a Phils fan we all knew Ryan Howard’s deal was a bad move by the team the minute it was announced – and that was a year and a half before it took effect and over a year before he got injured. Some things are just obvious.
Hosmer has averaged 1.8 fWAR the last 6 years, and half of the years have been zero or negative. Even rWAR, which likes him more, only averages out to 2.1 the last 6 years.
Time will tell, but all the folk on here who think Hosmer is going to opt out after 5 years may be wrong, because if he puts up another zero or negative season the year before his opt out is up, at the age of 33 he’ll have a hard time getting $39MM guaranteed from any team.
Inconsistent, yes. But he’s trending up, and entering his prime, coming off a Gold glove and silver slugger. And he will be in the NL w less talented pitchers to face. His season last year of 4.0 WAR was worth 32 mil approx. Also, WAR doesn’t calculate his intangibles, which is exactly what this team needs. Plus defense metrics are not an exact science, especially for a 1B. He is probably the most athletic 1B in the league and will age well compared to the typical 250 pounders, like Ryan Howard, Pujols, Miggy etc. We needed a LH, leader that gets on base and can hit the gaps. This also moves Myers to LF which w his athleticism will make our OF very good defensively, which Law says wlitnwill hurt. But the WTF is he talking about? Pirela, a career 2b played there last year, and wedont have as many OF prospects coming thru the ranks.
By the fifth season, he’ll be done and just stay and choke the payroll in beautiful S. D.
STAY CLASSLESS SAN DIEGO.
what does that have to do with class?
Great sign for the padres . Bring on all the haters with there negative comments . Chris archer is next . See you all at Petco Park !!!!
Already been reports that the Padres and Rays were talking about an Archer trade. Wonder who it would take to get Archer? Would a package of current MLB players like Spangenberg who would fit the Rays needs at 2B, Rea who could fill a spot in the rotation with the departure of Archer and Odorizzi, and Pirela who would start over Smith, and one of the Padres huge class of pitchers from AA be enough?
Rays would want Tatis or Gore in an Archer trade. #JustSayNo
Are the padres really that close? Chris archer means let’s win now and next year we contend.
That would be a terrible trade for the Rays. Where’s the value at for the Rays? Why would they want Spangenberg? He’s a career .266/.324/.401 (.726) hitter in parts of 4 seasons. Colin Rea is coming off TJS and has a career ERA of 4.69 with a FIP of 4.35.
That would be just downright stupid for the Rays.
Baez, Laurer, Spang/Renfroe, Naylor for Archer
Lolz. This isn’t MLB the show.
8/$150m
Source?
fWAR the last 4 years
Steve Pearce – 7.3 (371 Games)
Lucas Duda – 7.4 (462 Games)
Eric Hosmer – 7.5 (609 Games)
But last year he matched Jose Abreu in WAR, just above Anthony Rizzo and Cody Bellinger while his defensive metrics went down the toilet. That’s at age 27 too, a common breakout year for players.
I’d rather have one of the other three.
WAR works best over 3-year periods, due to the defensive section requiring 2.3 years of data to stabilize.
lmao, Hosmer is utter trash
Ok 9th best 1b is off the board
as is the 9th worst comment
Since 2014, fangraphs has Hosmer 12th best 1B – same for since 2015
Since 2016 he’s the 14th best 1B
lol Hosmer is not good at baseball and has a myriad of attitude issues too that barely anyone recognizes. He thinks he’s on the same talent tier as Trout, it’s so obnoxious. Whatever, you will all see soon…
Oh no Padres, why?
Wondering how quickly the padres will regret this. Last time they signed big name free agents they regretted before that season was over.
Hosmer is a good player but he’s a 1st basemen and in this day and age there is nobody that primarily plays first base that deserves a 8 year contract. NOBODY! He shouldn’t have got a 6 or 7 year deal just awful.
Thanks for your personal opinion.
What if the Yankees signed Greg Bird to an 8 year 8 million dollar deal? That’s not worth it?
Great deal for the Padres. 5/100 last 3 for 39 mil
As a Pads fan all I can say is…ugh…
fans like to blame teams like the big market teams for upsetting the balance of baseball, but it is small market teams making deals for 2nd tier players like this that are the real problem.
They’ll be chasing 10 year 300 mill in next years free agent class and getting it too.
Ridiculous
Would you rather the players get paid less and the owners keep more money for themselves?…..
I’d rather ticket prices went down, so I could afford to go to multiple games per year. Supply and demand. Prices go up, ticket sales go down. Fewer ticket sales, fewer fans. Fewer fans, teams decide that its how long the games are, and bring up pace of play rules. Baseball was America’s Pastime when families could afford to go. Kids learned the sport by attending, and became the next generation of fans. That cycle has ended. Now attendance is aging, and starting to decline.
Wow, that’s quite a unique thought process you have there. It’s $18 million per season from a guy who’s capable of a 4 WAR season, plus he’s only 28. Stop acting like this is some insane deal like paying guys 20-30 mil into their 40s.
Also capable of a negative WAR season
Yeah it’s a gamble. But the Padres system and current core is soft on LH bats and it’s not like they were going to sign Harper next year. I’m okay with it, $20m/season for 5 years isn’t bad for a 28 year old and $13m/season in 2023 won’t be crippling.
But there were way better, and cheaper options than Hosmer. For a rebuilding team, they should have went after one year deals with guys like Duda, Adam Lind, Morrison or a RH bat like Napoli, or Reynolds. Then at the deadline, if they perform well, they can be traded to a contender for minor league players that they could use in the future.
The padres are past the point in a rebuild where you get guys on 1 year deal and then try to flip them in the post season for prospects. They have the prospects in place deep in their farm system. They’re at the point where they must now wait in on everyone to fall into place. They already have a few of them at the major league level. Hosmer is the leader they needed.
They should absolutely be getting guys on 1-year deals to flip at the deadline!
Cheaper? Ofcourse. But way better? Get out of here. This line of thinking on Hosmer that most people share here is ridiculous. You put more faith is Logan Morrison who’s 2 years older and put up one good season in his entire career over Hosmer? Hosmer isn’t a top 5 1b, but my god, everyone acts like he should barely be a starter.
No Ryan Stall, you’re wrong. They shouldn’t at this point in the rebuild. Who? And for what positions? They need build the team they got.
They basically just need to sign hold over guys for pitching. Pick up a few starters like Clay Buccholz, Nolasco, Tillman, and some of the relief pitchers like bring back Street, and Clippard. They could bring some of these guys in on cheap, one year deals, and then flip them at the deadline. Also, there’s no bad point in a rebuild to do something like this. There’s no risk in a one year, few million dollar deal, or a minor league deal.
Check out his 2016 stats.
They don’t want a 1b on a 1 year deal.
Locking Hosmer up long term was “why” they signed him.
The Padres have a fantastic Farm system with literally NO 1B prospects.
They have Josh Naylor and Myers was a sufficient 1st baseman
Naylir has AL written all over him
They already did get 1-year guys to try and flip r-tard! Like Headley, Galvis, Young and Ross. You keep doing that until the years that you are actually contending. Trading those guys for prospects would be “building the team they got.”
But isn’t 2016 ? They won’t be playing those games anymore! It only matters what he does from now on! That’s it!
8 years, $144 million guaranteed if he stays all 8
Thats shy 20 million per. Is it front or backloaded?
So where are all the Boras haters who thought he was doing Hosmer a disservice? He got his 8th year. That’s why he’s one of the most successful agent in the biz.
Probably laying on the floor laughing at the Padres. I’d hazard to guess some night be on the 15 day DL from broken ribs.
And Boras and Hosmer will be laughing all the way to the bank.
Boras should be fined and banned from baseball with whoever ok this deal. He’s the only one Colluding… with an idiot.
This Boras hater is sitting here in shock. I take it all back: Boras is still the man. He should hold out with JDM until June and not take a penny less than $200M.
Yeah just wait until boras pays a random waiter to drug a owner and get 6/200 mil
It’s basically a five year contract, with three years that will never be accepted for the sake of saving face for Boras. Fair contract for the Padres. Solid loss for Boras.
Don’t bet on that. If Hosmer puts up one of his negative WAR seasons in year 5, he’ll have a hard time equaling the guarantee he’ll still have going into his age 33 season.
LOL
Only 8 years Sam Diego? Why not 9 or 10 lol good lord
Man, I’d love to hear Dave Cameron’s thoughts right now
we miss ken rosenthal on nights like this
The Padres offseason is a confusing one.
What’s confusing?
The fact that their supposed to be rebuilding, but making a move like this. Plus they also traded a young pitcher for Freddy Galvis earlier this off-season.
Having a leader is a necessary component of a successful rebuild. Think about the kind of impact a guy like Hosmer, a world champion, could have on the young talents on the padres team. I bet a guy like Margot who has publicly spoken about how great he wants to be would benefit from a team mate like Hosmer. Margot has already shown signs of greatness….having a team mate like Hosmer is only going to help push him to be that much better.
But if they wanted leadership, they could have gotten that in other forms that would be cheaper, and not have the risk of Hosmer’s inconsistency.
Will the Padres have more money to spend after this signing? They still need a starting rotation.
According to Baseball-Reference, with Hosmer at $20 million they are at $90 million in payroll for 2018. According to Forbes, they have revenue of $260 million so they should be able to go $120-130 million in payroll without any problems. $30-40 million more they can spend.
In what other industry would 50% of revenue for payroll be considered reasonable or realistic?
Rainbow unicorn land,
Construction. Manufacturing. Commercial Real Estate brokerages. The business services industry. There are 4, you want more? In some it’s higher than 50%. It is undoubtedly lower in the fast food industry you are entrenched in.
So, you take Wil Myers off 1B and move him to the OF now, where Margot and Renfroe are finally putting it together, with Frenchy Cordero on the way just to tie up the payroll with a replacement level 1B that doesn’t really hit for power at a power position?
Wouldn’t it have been cheaper to just claim Corey Dickerson?
Between Hosmer and Headley, now the corner infield is choking off the rebuild smh
Not to mention if reports about the owners are to be believed, this signing might signify that they will not be in the running for next years’ free agent class. I was really hoping they were going to be able to sign a guy like Keuchel next year to anchor the rotation, but that seems less likely now.
The Rumor I am making up is Keuchel is go to Cincinnati
I’m not making it up. It was posted here on MLBTR recently that the owners had “fallen in love” with Hosmer and would even be willing to forgo signing any free agents from next year just so they could sign him.
The fact that they increased the years and money a little only hints even more at that reality.
Headley playing one-year (at most) at 3b is now choking off the rebuild? Get out of here with your insanity. Hosmer deal? Okay you have an argument. But Headley taking time from two utility IF in Spangenberg/Villanueva is killing the rebuild that is aiming at 2019/2020? Ridiculous.
Myers situation won’t effect Margot in CF.
When did Renfroe “put it together”?
I’m not the first one to say this, but the argument for adding Dickerson to play OF and keeping Myers at 1B vs. moving Myers to OF and signing Hosmer is a very sound one. Over the last 2 seasons here is the difference between C. Dickerson, who was just DFA’d, and Hosmer who just signed for a 8/$145 with opt out.
Hosmer: age 26-27, 57 2B/3B, 50 HR, 117 OPS+, 5.1 rWAR, 4.0 fWAR
Dickerson: age 27-28, 76 2B/3B, 51 HR, 113 OPS+, 4.2 rWAR, 4.1 fWAR
I don’t know what’s worse, that the Rays weren’t able to get any type of return and DFA’d Dickerson, or that the Padres thought it a good idea during a rebuild to give Hosmer an 8 year, $145 million contract with an opt out and NTC while also punting a draft pick. This weekend is a good representation of what a crazy offseason we’ve had this year.
Jesus Christ…
Your disrespect continues
As do your pointless comments
Why, because I disagree w you? Saying Jesus Christ is not PC man. I ain’t even religious but I respect people who are
Oh, boo hoo, I hurt your poor wittle feelings. Grow up.
Haha good one WCR
Ouch, 8 years?
At least there has been action on the trade and free agent market lately.
Boras embarrassing another teams front office. Can he outsmart another and get JD 6 years at $25M now? God I hope the Red Sox aren’t that stupid. They’ve shown restraint up until now. Don’t let the Padres stupidity rub off!
They’ll go on to regret this in the future.
Hey, what did I say?
Everyone has failed to mention they’ll trade him 2 years in
Wanna bet?
No they won’t. They won’t be able to.
Yup. Who says another team will bail the Pads out?
Dude shut. up.
Or what?
Good one. are you 80 or 8?
None of your business.
Obviously it is player/Boras collusion now
Scott Miller – “Sources: Hosmer to #Padres is for 8 years, opt out after 5, front-loaded deal: $20 million each of first 5 years, $13 mil each of last three years, AAV $18 mil.”
So pretty much a $100 for 5 years unless something happens. Great deal for the Padres! Preller is the man!
Contractual genius
$105m because of the signing bonus and if he opts out it means Hosmer at 3/$39m is going to be looking like a bargain at that point. Thus, the opt out hurts the Padres.
Well the idea is to pay a player during years of production not during their decline especially when you are a smaller market club like the Padres. Hosmer is currently worth $20 million a year, probably even more based on his production. And he should still be producing at least a $20 million dollar mark for the next 5 years. Which the 5th year in 2022 he will be 32 years old. But the decline probably will be coming soon after that. Hopefully it isn’t coming, but these guys are all human and so it’s very likely the decline would start come during years 6 to 8 when he will be 33 to 35 years old. So there will be a good chance he won’t be worth $20 million dollars each of those last 3 years. And why pay a guy that and hurt your clubs ability to field your best team possible strapping yourself up with a high paid old guy in those 6th to 8th year of the contract.
If he is still producing then at a high value and he decides to opt out, then Padres can go resign him for those last 3 year for $60 million deal then. But Preller & the Padres didn’t want to pay for the decline and give him the straight $160 million for 8 years at a value of $20 million per season. Like Hosmer was at least trying to get in an 8 year contract. (Well he wanted more money & years but that’s what he at least wanted.) But the market wasn’t there and well this creative type of deal by Preller, put the Padres over the top over the Royals because it gave him that guaranteed 8 years like he wanted but gave the Padres what they wanted too of protecting themselves from paying for a guys decline just to get a free agent to signed.
Hosmer is definitely worth $105 million for 5 years (the $5 mil signing bonus news wasn’t out when I posted this) at this time though. But $160 for 8 years he isn’t. But you are willing to risk paying him $13 million for 3 years of his decline if he ends up opting in. If he opts out because he is still producing you are willing to pay him more a year then if he is still worth it as I said.
But the Padres can’t be paying for Hosmer’s decline like the Angels are for Albert Pujols. Especially when you are paying a guy $20 million during your rebuild just to have him there when you are finished with it and in your competing for a championship window. Technically the Padres have being saying that, that window starts in 2020 so that’s $40 million for 2 years of still rebuilding. But I believe Hosmer speeds that up a bit and makes them a .500 team this year in 2018 (Which obviously means not as high of a draft pick since you aren’t fully tanking with Hosmer on the team and when you are the Padres & a smaller market club the draft is how you have to rebuild. Plus losing this years 3rd round pick to the Royal. But he is worth it in my mind big time! Adds value in so many ways to the Padres both on the field & off in the locker room.) and think it moves up the window for competing for a playoff spot to 2019. Especially with how quick some of the Padres prospects have been developing. Way faster than expected especially on the mound. But with Darren Balsley and Petco Park you don’t need all those top pitching prospects ready to be a .500 team this season and compete for a playoff spot in 2019 because of him and Petco Park, the Padres have had the ability to help pitchers make great comebacks after down seasons previously. This year they have Tyson Ross as a big time rehab candidate who Balsley made a #1/2 pitcher before already. Plus make average pitchers have solid numbers. I mean Clayton Richard looks way better on Padres last season than he actually is. And this has helped develop Luis Perdomo and they feel they can make Bryan Mitchell a stud for them this year. And the game is a bullpen game now anyways and the Padres have some guys who are studs or can be studs.
But end of the day this deal Preller & the ownership group made to get Hosmer was amazing! Protects them from paying high dollars for his decline. And gets them a stud in his prime for the next 5 years!
nice breakdown, but you forgot their ace Lamet
Dude, you ARE going to be paying for his years of decline It’s a player opt out. And he will only opt out if he is worth more than whatever is left on his contract. If that happens the Padres would WANT to be on the hook for his remaining 3/$39m.
broken record
As are the people who say opt outs are mutually beneficial.
Its a broken record since people do jot GET it that you would want to pay for the 3/39!
How are people so stupid to not understand the opt out is only 3/39 that the Padres do NOT want him to opt out
I imagine this’ll become common practice with free agents getting younger. Hosmer will be in this contract (ignoring the opt out) through his age 35 season. That’s how old Votto will be next year and Pujols was coming off an all star appearance at age 35.
Not saying Hosmer is either of them, but realistically this is not the same as locking up A-Rod or Pujols through age 42 or however far their contracts went. Hosmer is entering his age 28 season and reasonably could still have his best years in front of him and the Padres have a good chance to get out of this deal before he really slows down.
He broke out in ’15, pitchers made adjustments the next year and he slumped, then he came back and looked great last season, matching Jose Abreu in WAR. He’s also played less than 150 games once in six seasons so health issues can be put aside for now.
I’m not the biggest fan. I wouldn’t make this deal. But Hosmer’s age and the fact that there is still potential upside makes it understandable to me.
It’s not the greatest deal for sure, but it’s not all doom and gloom as most people are acting like.
I think with the way the payout is scheduled the Padres are trying to encourage him to use that opt out. In 5 years who knows what even a mediocre hitter will be getting. He might feel he can snag those last three years at more than $13M per year
Hot stove is at boiling point
If JD signs, it may finally heat up
So the rumored 7/147 Royals offer must have been incorrect if he signed 8/139
Are they off the books money-wise as far as Kemp, Shields, and that terrible guy they got from the braves in the Kemp deal?
Doesn’t look like they are off the hook for Shields, but they are off the hook for Kemp. They are still paying Olivera to do whatever wife beaters do when they are not able to play baseball.
not a snowballs chance in hell he spends 8 seasons in SD….
Big Royals fan here. Hosmer was good player and good team guy, and he came up big at some crucial times, but most KC fans are ready to move on.
Hosmer also either could get better or fall back.. I am probably a little bitter, but I think his pursuit of 8 years (and maybe front loaded money) made him make a bad choice. He would have been a legend in KC and, with weak Padres team in strong division playing on West Coast, he probably is headed for baseball oblivion.
Padre interest never made sense unless maybe if they intend to trade Myers. Myers was fine at 1B and now will be below average in outfield. They essentially are paying big for two first basemen, when there always will be a supply of moderately priced players for the position.
Strange part is that if not for the illogical Padre interest, KC would have been the only player interested in Hosmer. Oh well, Royals will be lousy this year. Time to move on and hope they get lucky on some young players and make good use of the $20 million/year they would have paid Hosmer.
Padres interest made total sense. Team needed a glue guy for a young talented infield. No 1B coming from the minors. Stud SS and 2B coming in the next one or two years. Perdomo is a top three ground ball pitcher, as is Clayton Richard.
The Padres will not do anything next year, and probably not in 2019 either, but they have a boatload of top starting pitchers coming up that are truly special. They could have a rotation like the Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz teams in Atlanta.
Hosmer fits the team’s needs perfectly, IMO.
It makes no sense. Playing the BorAss fiddle!
Lol-just read the last sentence. Yeah-just like the braves. Hahahahahahaha
If the Padres got the player they wanted, great deal. With Myers already on the team, I just dont understand why they needed a 1B. It seems a different player might have been a better fit.
It makes the Padres better at 2 positions. Myers will be the most athletic LF in the game. Pirela was a nice story last year, but he’s a second baseman who had a career year at 28 playing LF. And The Padres don’t have much depth at the Corner OF position
Are they done paying Kemp, Shields, etc?
As a die-hard royals fan, I’m glad they didn’t resign Hosmer. I liked him as a Royal, but there has to be somebody better coming up through the farm system.
Probably a blessing in disguise for the Royals. Now they can hope that someone signs Moose, trade everyone with any trade value and get started on the inevitable rebuild.
Haven’t the MLB owners learned from contracts like Hampton, Rodriguez, Hamilton, Sandoval, Park, Howard, Zito, Crawford, Vaughn, Kemp, Lee, Brown, Tulo, Wells, etc etc etc the list goes on and on.
These longterm deals rarely work out. Stupid, stupid, stupid decision.
Wil Meyers got some much needed help but this expensive signing won’t push them over .500
Hosmer won’t help Myers one bit
yes he will
Nope
no, yes
Compared to Meyers previous supporting cast Hosmer is a clear upgrade. Meyers has hit a lot of solo home runs at least Hosmer will be on base for those now.
Ahh taking pressure off of him won’t help him?!Ohh are you arguing the protection doesn’t mean anything? Did you learn that in your stats class? Herb
How does having Hosmer on the team take pressure off him? He should be trying to succeed no matter what the rest of the team looks like. And if protection means anything why is it that Wil Myers’ walk rate went down after Matt Kemp got traded? If protection were a real thing his walk rate shouldn’t have just gone up, it should have SKYROCKETED!
Kemp obp was .285, Hosmer was .385 that impact will be much greater on Meyers with Hosmer.
Wil Meyers isn’t Miggy in his prime or anything that automatic so pitchers don’t avoid throwing at him. And when he is regularly getting up to bat with two out and the bases empty he is going to get pitched to.
No he won’t. If you look at the stats you will see that pitchers can get away with pitching him outside the zone cuz he swings at everything. Why change an approach that clearly works?
Padres got played by Boras and caved in
This reminds me a lot of the Joe Mauer deal. Mauer’s entering the last season of his 8 year contract and though he’s declined a fair amount, he’s still a solid 2.5-3 WAR guy despite being a slap hitting 1B. That’s probably what the padres are hoping for here
Agreed, and like Mauer it an unmovable contract so you better keep adding talent around him for as long as he is there. Hopefully this signals an end to perpetual rebuilding phase this franchise has been stuck in
so, he never wanted to sign with KC anyways. using them as leverage.
I wonder how Royals’ fans will react when SD plays in KC
My guess is that KC came nowhere close to $105 million for 5 years, which is how the contract should be viewed. Hosmer intends to opt out. The last 3 years are just security if he bombs.
7/147 is what they reported the Royals offer as on here and what Dodd at the KC Star reported.
The moment this deal is signed, will it be one of the ten worst contracts in MLB? Or only one of the 15 worst?
We will never be good. Already a garbage untradable contract. I wish i could switch teams.
I do think he’s overrated, but good for the Pads. They’ll be a very good team in the near future
:They were way better off leaving Myers at first. He’s a 20/20 guy, who is a way better fielder than Hosmer.
No way Myers is a better fielder than Hosmer.
In terms of DRS (which is a very reliable defensive stat), Myers is better (2017 in DRS. Hosmer: -7 DRS, Myers: 1 DRS).
Not really. The reason why is simple. Defensive metrics only take into account balls hit to the 1B and not balls thrown to him. A 1B will take 1000+ more throws than hits. So what they do more than anything else is not even included in the stats. They also place a subjective zone on what he is “supposed” to catch of those balls hit to him, but do not take into account if men are on base at the time the ball is hit to the 1B side or defensive placement. This season we will have StatCast available to the general public for infielders and we will have a much better defensive measure for 1B.
But look at their “average 162 game” numbers on offense.
Myers is younger, has more power, and more speed.
Hosmer hits for a better average.
If the last 2 years are “the new norm” for Hosmer, they are closer offensively. Basically, they are almost the same player……..
Meyers was bad at first base.
I think this is a good deal for the Padres, they only pay him 20 mil a year for 5 years, their payroll is peanuts and they can afford it, Hosmer can opt out in year 6 and the Padres would be fine either way, or he can hang around for 13 mil a year which is fine (1.5 WAR is about 13 mil)
Padres show a commitment to a solid clubhouse leader and an improving hitter (see his lift from last year), and its not a contract that will handcuff them, they actually gain surplus value if he posts more than 2.2 WAR annually
The Padres have zero 1B or LF prospects in the near future anyways, and their lineup just got much better on paper, especially since I expect a leap from Margot, and a solid 2 hitter in Asuaje until Urias is ready
A Lineup in 19 or Margot-Urias-Hosmer-Myers-Renfroe-Tatis-Galvis-Hedges is solid
Josh Naylor would like to have a word with you outside…
Josh Naylor can’t buy a beer yet. Or field 1B either.
He’s from Canada. He is of legal drinking age there.
Unfortunately he doesn’t live or work in Canada anymore.
Josh Naylor? Oh man, I hope you’re not counting on that guy.
Yo Darvish says hi, Josh Naylor would like a word…played out, garbage humor
everything I have heard is that Naylor is a DH at best, and you dont hold a spot for 3 years, for a prospect that isnt even a top 10 prospect in the system or a top 150 guy in MLB
Tatis will probably be up in 2020….he’s doing big things in the farm but 2019 is a bit ambitious. I hope Hedges does better this year….
This is the worst contract in the history of the organization. We will never be good.
You must be a really fun date at a game. – Arms crossed
Asuaje, a solid hitter? Please explain. And that line-up is very meh.
Line-up is very “meh?” You obviously know nothing about that lineup. There is a lot of young players on that lineup you may have never heard of because they are young….but they are far from “meh.”
You’re right, the 2018 lineup is far from “meh”, its flat-out terrible.
Margot-Asuaje-Myers-Hosmer-Headley-Pirela-Galvis-Hedges
SD has some firepower on the way, but in 2018 that’s the easily worst lineup in the NL, I’d take the Marlins (as of Feb 18) and Pirates lineups all day over that crud.
Where’s Renfroe?
He’ll start at AAA possibly, but he’ll be there instead of Pirela very soon. And he’ll probably bat 4th, moving Asuaje down in the lineup.
Margot, Myers, Hosmer, Renfroe, Galvis, Headley, Hedges, Asuaje
Renfroe is a “K” machine, but a masher as well (pretty common combination)
Don’t forget about Dickerson.
Solid for AAA ball, but garbage for MLB.
Looked up last three years – age 25-27. Better than I thought.
294/359/463/822
Do players still hit better when they go to National League?
Not when they go to PetCo.
Petco doesn’t play much different than the Royals park. espn.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor/_/year/2017/sort/HRF…
Padres are a joke, run by morons
They’re actually building a pretty good team……nothing to laugh at.
Says the friend of Boras……
That has nothing to do with it….do some research, the Padres have a hell of a farm system and some great young players on their current roster. I’m a Cubs fan and even I’m excited about what’s manifesting out in San Diego. They’re going to be a fun team to watch in the near future.
Agreed, They’re like 2-3 years away, but Hosmer only creates problems. You don’t lock in a veteran FA when you’re rebuilding, that’s just an idiotic move.
You wouldn’t know anything about a rebuild as the Doyers print money. And you don’t win w out veterans. In your assessment we should just throw a bunch of unproven prospects out there?? pfft
Hahaha I am laughing
Myers situation won’t effect Margot in CF.
sure, why not
Pretty good deal for both sides nice job San Diego
That’s too bad he didn’t stay with the Royals. He could have been a franchise icon. Now he’ll waste away in a very prolly run franchise. Can’t imagine the dollar amount could be enough to draw him away from KC. Must have been the BorAss push-He earned himself a higher commission.
Poorly run franchise? Care to elaborate? I would bet my favorite pair of blue jeans that you know nothing about the Padres, they finally have a general manager who knows how to build a good team! This “poorly ran team” you speak of might not be ready to contend, but they’ll be whooping some ass over the next few years.
You are 100% correct. There is a good chance they hang with the Cubs in the hunt for the second wild card this season and an even better chance that the Padres dominate the NL west come 2019. Cubs fans wish they had the rosey future of the Friars- let me tell you.
you’re good for comic relief, if nothing else
Intellectual exercise: Assume that any other team could unilaterally trade one of their players/contracts to the Padres for Eric Hosmer, how many would do so?
Figure that Miggy, Pujols, Jordan Zimmerman are obvious. Who else?
Price maybe because he’s owed so much (I’d rather have Price)? Perhaps Cano for the same reason? Choo maybe, but maybe not because at least his deal is closer to over?
As much as the Yankees want to get rid of Ellsbury, they’d say no, right? Cubs would keep Heyward over Hosmer, right?
Hey guess what guys, Padre fans don’t give a flying fuuuuk what you think. He’s arguably the best FA this year, we signed him, on a great deal. I’ll take this all day.
Yu Darvish says hi
And Yu Darvish says good-bye too. To a lot of baseballs in October.
He is not the best FA on the market or even close
The top four in free agents probably went darvish, Martinez, then some combination of hosmer, Arrieta, Cain, or Santana
He is not much of an upgrade over Myers if he is at all and now your OF defense takes a hit with Myers in LF and your out $140m or so. Good luck.
Myers can play CF if he had to, so how would he make our LF worse? He’s a great athlete. stole 20 last year, came up as a catcher. Hosmer is a Gold glove, silver slugger last year, only 28. Not sure of you’re reason bud
Dude I could play CF if I had to, we could put Tony Gwynn’s mother out there if we had to. That doesn’t make it a good idea.
I don’t think you could play CF in the MLB, or even left. And your screen name is extremely bothersome
Myers cannot play CF bud. He proved that last time your rock star clueless GM AJ Preller tried to build a fantasy team. Surw he can play CF in your 7th grade fantasy baseball league bud bot not in the big leagues.
If Myers is your CF’er you are in deep doo doo!
I like tanned toms screen name and comment pointing out that Padres2019ha does not know what he is talking about
Incredible. 8 years to a guy who has been replacement level two of the last 4 seasons, at the least premium position in baseball.
This contract is laughable he won’t stay there for that whole contract he will be traded in less than 3 years just like they did last time they tried building a team
No he won’t. They won’t be able to trade him.
And they are taking a completely different approach than last time. They added one big name this year to a roster full of young talent in a system deep with even more young talent. This is completely different than a few years ago when they brought in Kemp, upton, kimbril, etc…
If they trade for Archer it won’t be different
Should have the money to bring in LoMo and resign Moose now. Make it happen DM or its back to the 100 loss seasons again.
Why would you want to do that? 100-loss seasons are much better than 80-loss seasons
it’s good to win and bad to lose
Not when you’re rebuilding
Ryan seems to prefer to lose. Must be more comfortable for him to lose.
not sure why more teams front load contracts like this one. makes a lot of sense for the Pads.
Hosmer, a younger joey votto. Perfect player to build a team around.
Finally, someone who gets it.
And he is the PERFECT guy for Petco Park too! He isn’t a big homer guy, only 20-25, but he gets on base, hits for high average. He can hit for gap power and bats guys in. And just a real smart player.
I think he is a way better version of Jayson Werth when the Nationals signed him at the end of their rebuild to be that guy who they brought in to build around with their young guys/prospects. Be the guy who can be a middle the order guy and produce on the field while being a leader and help teach the young guys to win! Plus it helps speed up the rebuild too and contract wise Preller got great value in it too with the creativeness.
I understand what you’re saying about Hos, but Jayson Werth was not a leader or any type of model. The notion that he was one was a concept completely overblown by the local Washington sports media to get Nats fans excited about a previously-dismal team. The end of his contract was addition by subtraction,
Aoe3…………
Hosmer = Votto…..Really???
That’s laughable…….and completely delusional.
Hosmer hasn’t been anything close to Joey Votto.
Do you even WATCH Baseball???
Have you seen Votto’s numbers???
Hosmer’s career slash line…………284/.342/.439/.781
Votto’s career slash line………………..313/.428/.541/.969
Not a bad signing for the Padres (should end up at 5/105…..after Opt-Out)….But Please….don’t expect production that’s anything like Votto. You’ll be sorely disappointed if you do.
yeah, it’s a pretty awful comparison.
you are about as dumb and delusional as they come
Not a fan of the deal, looks good on paper and perhaps from a business/fans perspective but not overall imo. No disrespect to Hosmer though, whatsoever.
Hosmer for one is a great batter vs RHP but not as good vs LHP. He’s good in that case. Over the last 3 years he’s about a .280 hitter with less than 10 homers. That to me does not warrant a 20 mil per year contract. In order to get that much I strongly feel you have to be a great hitter facing both RHP and LHP.. Definitely more than 10 homers or 300. Clip for example.
If the Padres continue to be a small to mid market team, I just think it eats way too much of their payroll. I would rather get two above average to good players for 10 mil, or if that seems to much of a stretch, perhaps pay 5 or 6 MI more and get two quality players for 13 million a piece. Not saying all stars, but quality players neverthless. If the Padres payroll greatly expands however and not just for 1 year (LOL remember that season?) Then ‘I’d be okay with it,but like I said, I’d prefer a player with better stats vs LHP and RHP combined if it’s 20 mil. I’d give it to Altuve, Trout, Donaldson, Votto, as some of my personal examples.
Overall, I’m still going to enjoy watching him, and if we do keep him at least hold on to him for a few years and not until next year’s the All star break LOL..
On a side note I’m actually glad there has a been a stared down between agents and teams in terms of free agent signing. If I’m not mistaken 15+mil for a closer and up to 20 mil for players who’ve had short but not long term success. For the first point you need good SP and RP to get a save opportunity in the first place and really more pressure should be exerted there because more innings pitched, not a self fulfilling prophecy where everything comes all down to one inning because you in fact usually need 8 good innings to get there in the first place. For the second part, not pointing to anyone in particular but you sometimes see 1 good year from a player and their market value goes way up,, which is ridiculous to me and defies consistency itself. Even 2 years might a stretch. Really just goes to tell me sports is truly a mix of business/marketing vs or combined with talent rather than pure talent or skill. If it looks good on paper, it will sell as some may say..
Again no disrespect to the players themselves, but if I were a small to mid market team trying to win, I would usually avoid these kind of deals, usually.
Wasn’t the rumour that KC offered $147 over 7 years?
It was later said after that both the 7 year deals rumored Hosmer had from the Padres (7 for $140) & Royals (7 for $147) weren’t as high dollar wise as they were said to be. Probably Boras guys trying to get the market going by leaking the amount being higher than they were.
All of that leverage and they caved in for 8 years ? !!!! Whyyy ? He isn’t worth 8 years !
Another reason the Pads will never be worth a ???? I’ve never met a Padre fan…other than Scott Boras..yikes!
Well now you met one. Hello there.
Now you met 2. Hi.
suh dude
Stupid. Was hoping the stance this offseason would scale back contract lengths maybe. So much for sense.
Its really only a 5 year deal. Only Boras backers see it lasting 8.
Actually everyone sees it lasting 8.
Could have waited for next years season to waste salary on better free agency market. Dont seem like the best player to get in a rebuild mode. Could have given time to a unproven player on their roster.
None of next years big free agents were going to sign for 20 million a year
This years market is suppressed. Next years may not be. Do you really see a top FA from next year’s class signing with SD? For an affordable price?
How can anybody say this is a bad deal ????
If he lives up to his contract he is opting out and will be paid another big contract and if He doesn’t he is not a hinderence on the team the last 3 yrs because he will be paid below market value. I feel this is definitely a win for the Padres and for everybody moving forward teams & players. It’s like this the Padres are saying look we are giving you 5 yrs to maintain production and earn yourself another trip to free agency and if you don’t we at least won’t be hampered by an albetros of a contract for 3 yrs. If anything it’s bad for Hosmer because he will have to work to be inline to get paid again.
I think all future big name contracts will resort to this contract structure & I like it.
Bingo
Did not expect him to get 8 years. I think no matter what he opts out after the 5th year. The Padres now have Wil Myers and Hosmer as their only hitters. Still no pitching. They are at least 5 years away from contending with L.A. and AZ.
They have the prospects to get a Chris Archer though. If they get an Ace like him they could contend sooner.
Two years away bub
No pitching. Only 2 legit superstar players. If they trade for archer they would be 3 or 4 years away. Otherwise. They aren’t that good.
Pitching is coming
3 will be there by 2019
2 are already there
Some are legit
The padres system is stacked with waves and waves of players
Their gonna swing a deal for archer with that talent. He’s the best pitcher not on the trading block. But every team has its price and breaking point. I’d rather the padres get Archer over the cubs. I don’t want the cubs to trade guys like Schwarber Baez and like the 3 or 4 others the rays will demand for him. Plus the cubs rotation as much as I dislike the Yu signing is alot better than last year. And with an opt out after 2nd and 3rd Years. It’s not a terrible contract at all.
Dont worry. While good players, those arent the type of players TB will be looking for. The Cubs dont have the type of near ready prospects necessary. They have either promoted them or traded them away.
So you would rather see the Padres have to give up guys like Tatis or Gore to get him? Because that’s what the Rays will be asking for him. I don’t know where people are now getting this idea of a Padres trade for Archer, but it goes against their whole rebuilding plan.
Preller is a genius when it comes to trades. He won’t trade Gore or Tatis. But he may trade Baez, hopefully not, but we have several prospects to we could include other than our top 4 and still be a decent offer. Archer hasn’t progressed like he should have the last 2 years so I don’t think his value is as high as his reputation
Who the hell would want to trade good prospects for the much overrated Chris Archer!?
An “Ace” like Archer??? Too funny! Archer has not been an ace for several seasons now. Try looking at his numbers not the one all star season he had YEARS ago
The opt-out in that deal is pretty funny. If Eric Hosmer is a hot commodity at age 33 and can land a bigger deal than 3 years/72 mil–well then slap my ass and call me Sally!
Huh???
Matt….. I know that….”Math is hard”, but reading comprehension is important too…………….look at it again.
The deal is $5 Mil signing bonus…..then 20/20/20/20/20…..opt-out available…..leaving 13/13/13
If he opts-out, he just has to land something bigger than 3/39…….
@Matt Nokes
Hey moron he is not opting out of 3/72 he would be opting out of 3/39. Try to have mommy read you the post while she is slapping your dumb ass Sally
Wrong they are two years
Only time will tell. Like I said they have no pitching. Clayton Richard is their #1 right now. Lol.
Leadership role
Have you heard of lemet ?
Lamet is an interesting young pitcher, but he needs to gain control of his stuff (normal for young throwers).
He is by No Means “A Leader” yet.. The guy has only pitched 114 innings in the Bigs………He doesn’t even have a full year of experience!
The Padres have a lot of Latin talent coming up. Not only is Hosmer a good rolemodel in the clubhouse, he speaks fluent Spanish. This signing is about creating a culture in the dugout. It started with the hiring of Andy Green, and this is the next piece in how they are trying to build.
The payroll is going to remain relatively low anyway for the next 6 or so seasons with all that controllable young talent, so this signing will hardly handcuff them financially.
That seems like a good deal for the Padres if he can hit like he did last year. I would be concerned about his power numbers dropping off in PetCo park though.
Hes coming over from Kaufman stadium, the American League equivalent.
A lot of people coming down on this deal but I don’t think it’s so bad. If he opts out than that probably means they had him for 5 years 100 million and they were by and large productive if he thinks he can do better. If he doesn’t then they start paying him 13 mil which could still end up being a bad contract but won’t be crippling.
Seems like a good enough contract, even better if he doesn’t opt out. Hosmer is overrated, and they overpaid a bit, but it’s the Padres. Who the hell would play for them otherwise?
Don’t really understand the hate Hosmer and JD Martinez have been getting this offseason, especially in the case of JD who has been an elite hitter 4 years in a row. At the end of the day it’s not my money, and i rather see the players making money and not the already billionaire owners.
The art of the future contract. Gives the team protection against downhill or injury as he gets older while allowing him to opt out if the production is still there.
For luxury tax purposes, would his money count as 18 million a year(144/8=18). Or would it be the 20 the first 5 and then the 13.
I believe It will be 18 for the first 5 and if he opts back in it would be 13 for the final 3 yrs because that is what’s left. My understanding is they take the average of whatever is the remaining yrs/$$$ on any guaranteed contracts it’s not averaged every year from start to finish but for whatever is left.
This feels just like the 2014 off season when they threw money at James Shields and traded for Matt Kemp. That team wound up starting a catcher in CF because the GM doesn’t care about defense. They stunk and had to dump everyone.
Now they loaded up to get Hosmer who kinda sucks, and move that former C back to the OF. Exactly WTF is going on here?
I think the verdict is in on Preller, he doesn’t know what he’s doing.
I’ve always liked that Preller took a shot down the field in the 2014 offseason. Obviously it didn’t work but when it didn’t he immediately began retooling the farm system. And guess what? It’s a top 3 (many say the top) farm system in baseball right now. Signing Hosmer does nothing to change that.
It’s wonderful he wasted 80 mil and traded Trea Turner
Bad trades happen to every GM. You hope to win more than lose and he definitely has won a lot more trades than lost
You are absolutely correct. Myers is a catcher and the Padres went from the best farm system when Preller took over to now the worst w very low ceiling prospects and a gargantuan payroll. GTFO
dont understand all the hate, really. 144 over 8 years will not in the least bit financially limit the Pads from making moves in the future and, unless he completely implodes, he has the chance to hit the market again in 5 years when 3/39 should be easy for him to surpass. Even if they get stuck with him, its not going to cripple them, but I bet he keeps a slightly above average level of production going and opts out after 5 years. He is by no means a great player but he brings a certain veteran presence to a (soon to be) very talented, young Padres core.
If a player gets and EIGHT year contract, shouldn’t he be great?
I’m not a big Hosmer Fan…..but he’s a decent player, for sure. With today’s salaries skyrocketing to heights that most feel are “way too much”…….a contract with an AAV of $18 Mil/year, for a solid, above average 1B, really isn’t that terrible.
Were the last 2 years a fluke? Or are they the “new norm” for him. If it’s the latter, the Padres got a pretty good deal. He won’t hit as many HR’s in SD, but he may have more doubles.
He just turned 28, so the contract doesn’t extend into his late 30’s……and with 3/39 on the table after year #5 (he’ll have just turned 33)…..I wouldn’t doubt that he opts-out and tries for more (unless he gets hurt, or falls on his face offensively). So the Padres have probably bought his Prime Years for 5/105.
Not a Bad Deal.
Last two years? In 2016 he had a Wrc+ of 102 and a negative fwar.. Do people actually look up stats before commenting?
If the last two years are the new norm, the padres will have a player who’s production fluctuates wildly, you know, like the rest of Hosmer’s career.
He’s the perfect signing for what the Padres are doing:
Young middle infielders coming in the next two years.
Hedges, Margot, Myers and maybe Renfroe are here and going to get better.
Wave of stud starting pitchers will start hitting the Padres by this September.
2018 is not what this is all about. It’s the five years after that. Hosmer will bring everything a young team needs to grow up the right way, including on the field performance.
I love this signing and am pumped to watch this thing play out.
Hosmer’s 20 homers doesn’t trump below average pitching.
BTW, what’s that whole collusion thing? The Padres grossly overpaid for him. I don’t think Braves fans realize how much of a steal Freddie Freeman’s contract is. If Freddie was a free agent right now he’d easily rack up a deal worth over $150M.
What’s a more acceptable contract than 5/105?
5/90 is more acceptable
The annual rate isn’t too bad, but 8 years for a 28-year-old with a career .781 OPS over seven seasons, this hardly seems like a master stroke. Plus the Padres give up their 2nd round pick. Not sure I get this one.
This feels SO much like the Chris Davis overpay. Sorry Padres fans…
Oh agreed. Big overpay
Very good player. Not great player. Too many years too much money. Last 3 years don’t matter unless he gets hurt. Padres will sell him off for pennies on the dollar in 3 years
When you sign a 3B to a long term deal and he loses a step, you can move him to 1B. When you sign a CF to a long term deal and he loses a step, you can move him to LF. When you sign a SS to a long term deal and he loses a step, you can move him to 2B.
The main issue I see with this deal is you have an NL team locking up a guy for 8 years with no where to put him if he declines.
OR if one of their many, many prospects emerges as a .300 hitting 50 HR guy who can only play 1B, they are boxed in with the Hosmer contract.
The Hosmer contract reminds me of Joe Mauer’s, but Mauer was a C who could move to 1B and the DH is an option if needed. The only other place to put Hosmer is on the bench.
The Padres just handcuffed themselves to a VERY average player. Really horrible signing all round. Boras never loses, its infuriating.
Why not just give JD Martinez this deal? At least you are guaranteed 2-3 elite seasons with the bat.
Good glove, silver slugger, young, athletic, leader, champion, all star, LH entering his prime. Please explain average.
sub 2fwar average. As many bad years as good years. Mediocre stats. It’s really not hard to explain.
So you paid him because he won the world series with KC and made an all star team years ago. Lol. Ok.
Hosmer is a great sign by Padres! This is reminiscent of when the Nationals signed Jason Werth. Symbolic change in culture and expectations. Padres trending UP! #PadresfaninNewOrleans
Been a Padre fan since their first year. Last year was the most enjoyable year I’ve had watching them for a long time. Sure they came in last place, but everyone knew they would. The previous years they were losing and were extremely boring to watch with little or no young guys to get excited about. Hossmer will make them better and is a guy I will enjoy watching. I like players that are good people and play the game the right way. Hossmer,Headley,Galvez,Asujua, Hedges,Meyers,Margot and either Dickerson,Piralta or Renfroe won’t be a bad lineup. Should be fun to watch eventhough probably won’t conten for a playoff spot.
How dare you be optimistic. Sarcasm
Hope not Nats have never won post season series
Wow is that a far cry from what Boras was touting!
It’s essentially a 5/$100 $20M AAV for 5 years.
It’s a complete joke they would even put in those last 3 years at those rates … LOL
Must be some face saving pathetic move Boras did to get an 8 year deal.
If I were a Boras client and saw this I’d be really pissed.
Almost any agent could have gotten Hosmer 5/$100M.
Now let’s see what JDM gets!
Probably a stupid laughable deal like this .
I wonder what Boras’s commission is?
It’s really not that bad of a deal for either side. The last 3 years is nothing more than an insurance policy for Hos if he declines or becomes injury prone over the next 5 years.
I think the key to the deal is the full no-trade for 3 years, then limited trade protection thereafter which I would assume means a list of teams he can veto. This gives the Pads a 3 year window to build a winner, if not they start shopping him to whoever isn’t on his list.
I agree, I think it’s a really well done contract for both sides.
And Hosmer will be trade bait, at the trade deadline, every year the Padres are out of it.
Didn’t Hosmer get a QO from KC?
What pick does SD have to give up for Hosmer?
The Padres third highest pick goes to KC.
Padres lose that pick but under new CBA it does not go to KC who gets a pick but not the Padres pick
Ok,thanks
We’ll flirt w .500 next year. Look up our record 2nd half last year w Rookies and re-treads, and deadline deals we traded some of our best performers. We’re only getting better, so we won’t be out if it for long.
Ok. So myers goes to LF.
What do we do with pirela and the rest?
He and Renfroe and Dickerson will battle it out. One will be a bench player with plenty of starts throughout the year. Don’t see any place for Jankowski on the roster.
No place for Janko except single A
LONDON BRIDGES FALLING DOWN! FALLING DOWN! FALLING DOWN!
The Royals will now receive an extra pick after the first round of the June amateur draft as compensation for Hosmer (who rejected a qualifying offer) signing elsewhere for more than $50MM.
It makes sense for a lousy team like SD to pick up Hosmer, at a lowball pice, and only give up a 2nd round draft pick this year and lock Hosmer up for 5-8 years.
Then trade Hosmer for draft picks in August at the trade deadline and get 1st round picks from a contender.
This is a page right out of Billy Beane’s Moneyball.
Uh you cant trade baseball picks.
Doesnt work like that. Wish you could. But not as of yet.
??? Who’s trading a pick? Either I don’t understand you or you don’t understand me.
I’m saying SD only has to give up a 2nd round pick to KC for the QO Hosmer got from KC.
Other teams that are good would have to give up a 1st round pick to KC if they picked up Hosmer.
So I’m saying it’s a clever move on SD’s part to give up a 2nd round pick now, sign Hosmer to a lowball deal and then trade Hosmer at the trade deadline to a contender that needs a 1st baseman and get a previous year’s 1st round player from a contender that not only has been developed but one they can also pay chump change to.
Billy Beane does that all the time.
Did you see Moneyball?
Your 1st post didn’t really make sense, but you did explain yourself a lot better in your 2nd post. Although I agree with your premise, it seems as though teams are valuing prospects at a higher level than ever before. Deals involving veterans for 1st round draft picks from the previous years draft most likely will not become the norm. To get top notch talent for vets, it seems teams have to eat salary.
What team is a contender without a solid 1b already on the roster?
NYY, CLE, StL, LAA, BOS, Seattle or whomever else is in it.
This may be a clever way of one of those teams getting Hosmer at the deadline for a good minor league player.
We’re not trading him. He has a 3 year no trade clause
And no trade value
You are an idiot why would any of those teams trade a good minor league for Hosmer at the deadline when they could have paid him all that money 6 months prior without giving up any of their own trade chips?
Well Padres2019 if you think no player has been traded because they have a no trade clause then you are pretty short sighted
Actually some picks ca not be traded the competitive balance picks are eligible to be traded and hav me been
Here’s another way to look at this deal.
Hosmer got a $18M AAV contract ($144M/8).
This can also be used to establish JDM’s value at $18M AAV.
So now it’s just a matter of how many “years” JDM gets signed for and if JDM has the same type of “opt out” after 5 years.
I do not think JDM and Hosmer are comparable players though so I dont think it helps or hurts his market
If you think JDM is a better player, that’s near sighted. Hosmer has been a really good major leaguer for longer who played 162 games last year. JDM is a liability in the field, had a banner year only last year, and is injury prone.
I did not say JDM was better or worse. I said they are not comparable players that will effect JDM’s market one way or the other
Good move. I can see the Padres making a serious run at third place in the West.
Not sure if you’re trying to be “funny” with your comment or serious. A run at third place this season would be great for the current roster and where they are in this rebuild. They are building this team for the future, not for this season. If they can hit on just two of their pitching prospects, this team can compete in two years. They will still have a relatively low payroll and will be able to add-on even more at that time.
Also, this move will payoff at the ticket office as well. It’s obvious that this team has a plan. And whether you agree with that plan or not, it’s much more intelligent than the “win now” plan that they tried and failed at a few years ago.
He was being facetious and funny at the same time.
The point is that SD is not likely to be a contender.
FanGraphs projects them to win 71 games and lose 91.
That may change a small amount with Hosmer.
Thus Hosmer may be traded at the deadline for a prospect or two.
SD loves prospects and hates a big payroll.
Yes, we were also projected to win less games than we did last year. And we played a.lot better the second half, even after trading away a lot of starters for prospects
Why would anyone trade prospects for Hosmer if they could have just signed him in the offseason without giving up any prospects!?!?!?!?!?
Third place is not a goal any team has (or at least should have)
Who cares about 3rd place
I would be stoked w a third place finish in ’18. That would mean we are improving. Please change your screen name to bitterpadresfan. Unless that is also you
Why? All that will do is hurt our draft position for 2019 and give us false hope that we will sneak in for a WC spot.
Yeah 3rd place! To you get a trophy too
that’s a lot to pay for leadership- but i get it- Phils did similar with Santana but with much shorter time frame of course.
Do we know what KC’s best offer to retain him was? wasnt like there was some other mystery team ready to jump in.
Boras haters have been out in force lately, but all of a sudden, they’re quiet again.
Relax, Cam. They’ll have their chance when Arrieta signs.
Hosmer may be 28 year old inconsistent player capable of 3 WAR.
But Arrieta’s in straight up decline Lol
To the contrary read my comment above (and copied again below):
“George B.6 hours ago
Wow is that a far cry from what Boras was touting!
It’s essentially a 5/$100 $20M AAV for 5 years.
It’s a complete joke they would even put in those last 3 years at those rates … LOL
Must be some face saving pathetic move Boras did to get an 8 year deal.
If I were a Boras client and saw this I’d be really pissed.
Almost any agent could have gotten Hosmer 5/$100M.
Now let’s see what JDM gets!
Probably a stupid laughable deal like this .
I wonder what Boras’s commission is?”
I think this was a major failure on Boras’s part.
Trade Rumors had Hosmer pegged at:
3. Eric Hosmer – Royals. Six years, $132MM
That’s a $22M AAV forecasted.
Hosmer ended up with only a $18M AAV.
Even if you view Hosmer opting out after 5 years it’s only a 5/$20M AAV.
So Hosmer lost an estimated $4M/year x 8 years = $32M unless he opts out at age 32 after 5 years..
He’s with SD who has no pitching and is forecast to win only 71 games in 2018.
The only logic and credit I give Boras is that he put Hosmer on a team that he is highly likely to be traded from at the deadline.
Hosmer won’t be traded at the deadline you moron! Full no-trade clause and no trade value.
That’s pretty easy.
Hosmer can “agree to be traded to a contender”.
“MORON”
DaaaaaH !
The bigger issue is the “no trade value.” A contender has to agree to trade for him. And if they weren’t interested in giving him this kind of a contract this offseason with him coming off the best year of his career they aren’t going to do it 6 months from now. Look at the other players who were traded after their team overpaid to sign them. For example, when the Padres traded James Shields, they had to pay half his contract and all they got back was a failed starting pitcher and a lottery ticket. The fact that they seem to have hit on that lottery ticket is a story for another day.
George its 5/100 but also has a $5m signing bonus so is he opts out its not $18m AAV its $21m
Oh Cam loves that Scott Boras
Here’s some idea(s).
The Red Sox trade Moreland and JBJ to SD for Hosmer in July and pay some of Moreland’s salary to sweeten the deal for SD.
SD gets a great feilding CF that was an all star in 2016 in JBJ.
The Red Sox also pick up JDM now in a similar deal that Hosmer got.
They don’t bring back Hanley in 2019.
They DH Pedroia in 2019.
They move Benintendi to CF and put JDM in LF.
This adds more pop to the Red Sox lineup that many have been clamoring for although they do lose on defense as JBJ is a great CF.
If the Sox wanted Hosmer they wouldn’t do that they would have just signed Hosmer in the first place.
No, they would have had to give up a 1st round pick.
No they wouldn’t you idiot. They would only have to give up their 2nd highest pick. Anyway, if the draft pick was actually what made them reluctant to sign Hosmer, they certainly aren’t going to be trading any good prospects to do it at the deadline.
this trade makes no sense. We have Margot. In addition the Red Sox tried trading him to the Dodgers earlier. Margot will be much better than JBJ. This reminds me of Red Sox fans when they wanted low ball offers back in the 2010 offseason for Agonz.
Actually it was the Dodgers who wanted to trade for JBJ with a straight up Puig deal and the Red Sox said no. That’s a far cry from the Red Sox tried to trade him. The Padres will be lucky if Margot is as good as JBJ.
Why in the world would the Red Sox trade foe Hosmer when they passed on him in free agency???
They wouldn’t.
Like I said earlier I would never give anybody more than a five-year contract. However, Hossmer is now our best position player which means we’ve definitely improved our lineup and made our team better. Isn’t that the idea to always improve your team? I don’t understand all the negativity and haters.
No, this is not negativity just reality.
SD doesn’t have enough Starting Pitching.
I agree they don’t have enough pitching. My comment was addressing all the negativity towards the Hossmer signing
. The bottom line is we added a very very good player. We added someone that’s very good in the clubhouse. It just so happens he’s now our best player so our team has gotten better.
The problem is that they did NOT add a very very good player. If Hosmer was very very good, people wouldn’t have an issue with this deal.
They will have starting pitching. Look at the prospect list.
Not if he’s only 28. If you’re getting age 28 through 35 then it’s no problem going eight years. You get decline years but only one of them is post 34 decline.
If you look at Hosmer’s stats by ballpark, even though it’s only an 8 game sample, Petco Park is his best park. He hit .441 .474 .765 at Petco. Maybe he just feels comfortable hitting there.
Its an 8 game sample which means zero
It’s a small amount of at bats, but it’s not totally meaningless. Sometimes athletes just prefer hitting at a certain park.
The idea of the “small sample size” does not always disprove everything. In some cases 35 at bats can be a sign the player likes hitting at a certain ballpark. It’s like how kickers in football are better in domes. Even though the sample size is small it’s fair to conclude that the kicker is better at dome stadiums.
That is true Blake. You make a valid point
Or maybe he liked hitting against SD pitchers.
This contract is why I keep harping on the fact that if both sides agree to design free agency so that it starts most of the time at age 28, it benefits everyone. The players get more years and owners are more willing to authorize larger contracts knowing they’re getting 3 prime years. Everyone wins.
The only issue is that it reduces the years of control from 6 to 4. But one could argue that’s beneficial too as it helps a player get out of a bad fit situation and teams are free of the last two years of arbitration, which also saves them money.
That is just silly Blake. Going from 6 years of control to 4 years does not benefit the team in any way shape or form. Come on. They are free of all arbitrations years as it is. Its called a non tender. Otherwise they could care less about arbitration if the player is good
So they do care about arbitration if they player is good?
Of course the care about Arbitration if the player is good in the sense that the would be happy to go to arbitration and pay if they have two more years of control rather then losing the player to free agency.
There is NO BENEFIT to the team to go fro 6 years to 4 years of control. The suggestion that the team benefits because they are “free” of the last 2 years of arbitration was not logical.
Who they dfaing
Baseball and team success is not merely a math equation, as some analytic obsessed people claim. Proof is in the unexpected results occurring in every MLB season. For these reasons, Hosmer will be a great fit with an up and coming Padres team. He will help create a culture of intensity and success that other players will follow, helping them to reach their potential. Plus, Hosmer’s presence takes Wil Myers out of his forced role as team leader – which he is not wired to be.
Well said. A lot of these stat nerds have never played or excelled in any sport. Its not an exact science. Intangibles, chemistry etc are not measurable
The Padres are sure paying a lot of money for that winning personality.
Who gets DFA’d?
he’ll be traded by the all star break
NO HE WILL NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He has a full no-trade clause and no trade value
Say what you guys want, as a padres fan this move excites me. I know he’s an average player blah blah blah, but the man knows how to win. His leadership will help groom this young organization, that alone is worth the money imo. Who knows, maybe ownership will actually start to put up money like they’ve been saying over and over…
He knows how to win. I will agree there. That is worth something. How much I do not know but there is value in winning and leadership
You dont pay 144m for leadership
paid to much
not really. He is an above average first baseball who is getting paid his market value. 20 million for a career .280 hitter is worth it. 5/105 is the true deal and even if he opts in for the last 3 years, 3/39 isn’t that much. In 5 years that will be relatively inexpensive due to inflation.
Judging your first basemen’s value by his batting average. Stellar…
So the Hosmer deal at least makes me feel better about that Brandon Belt 6/79 extension
I just heard Ned Yost on the MLB Network say Eric Homer is”a once in a lifetime type player”. Exact quote.
I’m all for a little razzing, but the negativity on these boards is pathetic. Never understood why people get so bent out of shape when others have opinions different from their own. But que sera, sera.