The Padres will shift righty Bryan Mitchell to the bullpen, as Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune reports. Recent signee Kazuhisa Makita, meanwhile, has been optioned to Triple-A.
To account for the decision on Mitchell, the club has moved fellow righty Jordan Lyles into the rotation for at least one start, veteran Padres writer Bill Center tweets. Meanwhile, lefty Matt Strahm was activated from the DL to step in for Makita.
These moves reflect the disappointing initial showings of two of the Padres’ most significant offseason pitching additions. Mitchell was the key piece acquired in a trade in which the Friars agreed to take over the remaining $13MM owed to Chase Headley, while Makita signed for $3.8MM over two years (plus a $500K posting fee).
In the case of Mitchell, who is out of options, the results have been awful thus far. He’s carrying a 6.47 ERA with 4.5 K/9 against 7.3 BB/9 in 32 frames over seven starts. His swinging-strike rate, which has never been very compelling in the majors, is down to just 5.0%.
Though Acee writes that the organization still believes in Mitchell and even thinks he could yet be a big-league starter, he’ll need to show something to earn another opportunity. For now, it’ll be Lyles who gets another crack at working from the rotation, though it’s unclear whether he’ll receive an extended shot. He’s still just 27 years of age and broke into the majors as a starter, but has not yet shown that he can hold down a job working every fifth day.
As for the 33-year-old Makita, a veteran of Japan’s Nippon Professional Baseball but a MLB rookie, he’s shown both some good and bad to open the year. He’s sporting a healthy 15.4% swinging-strike rate and 9.6 K/9 against 3.9 BB/9 over his 16 innings. While a 6.75 ERA is never a good sign, in this case the damage is mostly isolated to a pair of rough outing and is surely a reflection in some part of a 58.5% strand rate that likely will go down. Makita needs to pare back the long balls (1.69 HR/9, 20.0% HR/FB) as well, but generally his unique, soft-tossing pitch mix has shown a fair bit of promise of playing in the majors.
Strahm, meanwhile, will look to make good on his long-observed talent. He was part of the interesting swap swung last year between the Padres and Royals. Strahm, who did not debut with the San Diego organization until 2018, has impressed in 14 1/3 innings this year at Double-A, allowing four earned runs while running a 22:4 K/BB ratio. Though he was knocked around in his debut outing last night, he figures to get a real chance to stick in the bigs.
Hopefully Mitchell can find some success in the pen. Always liked him in NY, he could just never get it together
PS I still can’t believe San Diego took all of Headlys contract lol
Ninja cash at work
Bryan Mitchell was so bad for the Yankees, no hard feelings if he developed with you guys.
There’s still a chance he can be developed, because as someone pointed out — he’s under team control through 2024! — Maybe he finds his niche as a RP.
Good luck, from this Yankee fan
I think the Padres did that to avoid the ire of the union. There are four teams that the union has filed a grievance over of some sort for basically not spending any money this offseason, and the Padres would have been the fifth. At the time of the Headley trade it looked like Hosmer may have been heading back to KC which would have given the Padres basically no spending in the offseason. They probably thought they could have offloaded at least part of Headley’s contract if he played well but he’s barely played this year and hasn’t been good when he has played.
They could’ve signed any number of FA pitchers for that amount of money. They liked Mitchell. It was a bad deal. It looked bad then. There’s no union excuse. It’s jusr a bad move.
They’re not spending tens of millions to avoid a grievance that means less than nothing.
Spot on my sentiments exactly.
Mitchell not being DFA at this point is for ONE reason only…. AJ Preller’s pride. Too big of a pill to swallow that he just got absolutely taken in this trade.
Hmmm…. where else could that 13 million gone… well, I’ll use your logic here. Since they were apparently looking for pitching (with a rotation of Ross, Richard, Perdomo, etc..) instead of taking on 13 million in headley… maybe throw it at Lance Lynn. You know, the starting pitcher who signed for 1-year and 12 million. Wow…. then maybe he could’ve performed, as he has a track record of doing so, and been flipped for prospects at the deadline. Since you wanted a specific player named…. I’ll just go ahead and use that one
Gotta agree with JDG. Kwflanne, relax, it’s just a game. Enjoy it for what it is.
Entertainment. If you don’t like the product, don’t go to the games. That will bring about change (from a fan) quicker than anything else — especially more than fillerblogging. There are much more important things to get “worked up” about in SD than the Padres. Why don’t you put all of that negative energy to positive use in your community.
It’s a very simple question how much is the Padres pay roll this season. If it’s under 100 million then 13 million to one player is a huge deal .
I have no horse in this race but I must say kwflanne has to be the most ignorant baseball fan ever. My condolences Padres fans. And kwflanne, buy a book and read about the game. There’s a saying: it’s better to say nothing and have people think you know something, than it is to say something and prove you are a fool. Just sayin
When you leave a post complaining about someone’s baseball intellect…. and offer absolutely ZERO baseball input and/or reference in your post…. I don’t really have an issue just disregarding anything else you post. At least the people debating the topic are providing their opinion of baseball strategy…. even if it differs from mine.
You don’t understand baseball. He’s right. Shut up and learn.
I don’t understand baseball…. from the guy who said the Padres don’t have a logjam in the outfield or infield….
“Shut up and learn”…. a truly intellectual statement.
The Padres have maybe 4 position players (Hosmer, Myers, Margot, maybe Hedges because his D is so good) that a contending club would feel comfortable to run out there every day. Yes, we have some guys that look like they might be on that list someday, but right now we don’t have a logjam or hot talent lava oozing all over the field.
Ok… I’m gonna try and show my point another way… in hopes that you understand. You just listed Margot as one of the players a contending club would have interest in playing, right? When Pirela isn’t at second base, he is in left field, right? Cordero has been starting in place of Margot in center as of late, because Margot is hitting below .200. Myers is cemented in right when healthy. You posted earlier “Cordero needs to show he can be more consistent”… that happens with consistent playing time, that’s how you evaluate his results. But how does he and/or Renfroe get consistent playing time… when you also need to give consistent playing time to Margot (who is struggling but hopefully can figure it out) and when andy green consistently has Pirela in the lineup in left (when not at second). It’s pretty simple… there aren’t enough positions to give consistent at bats tonthe players who need them… because you are right… the “talent lava” isn’t in the majors that we know of. We don’t know if Renfroe will improve from his strikeouts of his rookie year, we don’t know if Cordero will play more consistent, we don’t know if Margot will be able to turn it around this year…. that will only happen if they play. But if there’s not a spot for them to play…. that is why there is a logjam.
How do you give Renfroe at bats when he’s on the DL with no time frame for a return? And Myers has an oblique strain which can linger from weeks into months. For the last time, it will work itself out. They have these cool things called options and trades that help with that. Competition breeds success. The best players will claw their way to the top of the pile and playing time. Stop worrying about it.
Myers, Margot contending teams would run out?
Well said!
This was a long time coming. Mitchell looks terrible every time he starts. Hopefully being in the bullpen can help straighten some of his issues out, because he has a lot of them.
They’re going to need another reliever anyways once the inevitable Hand Deadline trade happens.
He’ll always have the amazing spring training before he broke his toe.
Wow!
I generally don’t like to agree with JDG, but he is pretty much right in this instance (except with already writing Renfroe off as a platoon player). Rebuilding teams have every incentive to hold a player down for a few weeks (note: not over a year when they are ready like Kwflanne seems to be suggesting) to gain an extra year of control. And the Mitchell + Headley deal does seem to be loss thus far, but not a big one. $13m for one year is manageable. I did think at the time tho that Preller could have done better in the trade. Maybe gotten a lottery ticket-type prospect along with Headley and Mitchell, similar to what he did with Tatis and Ruiz.
That was a little confusing… I wasn’t suggesting players be held down for over a year until they are ready… I was actually making the arguement that SOME of the more advanced prospects shouldn’t have been held down at the start of the year, at the favor of guaranteeing a spot in the rotation to Mitchell
Yes they should have. No good prospect should finish a season with x.000 years of Major League service time. Holding Lucchesi down for three weeks would not have stopped him from succeeding in the Majors. And you did say “So this team is gonna be good next year? NO. So I guess don’t start them then either, right?” even though absolutely no one was suggesting that.
Redrooster…. but that is EXACTLY what was suggested. The arguement made was that it was dumb to bring up the likes of luchessi etc…. because it was going to be a losing season and we weren’t going to compete… so what changes next year?
No, there is a big difference between holding a guy down for over a year when he is ready and holding him down for a few weeks when he is ready. To suggest otherwise just says you are either trolling or don’t understand the game. Your slippery slope fallacy is convincing absolutely no one.
None of the pitchers you listed had thrown a pitch above AA (besides Nix for one game). before this year. I don’t know why you’re trying to rush them.
It’s not rushing them if they are ready. which clearly the Padres feel they were. you were making the arguement for waiting the couple weeks to call up in order to save service time… but also making the argument that starting them in the majors is rushing them? That two weeks is really going to be the difference in not rushing them?
2 weeks can make a huge difference in that it turns into another full year of cost controlled talent !
I think this deal is a major loss not because of the 13M, but because we had to deal Solarte because of the created logjam. Solarte would be our 2nd best hitter right now.
Didn’t think of that. Good point
Understandings the difference with you “super prospects” is I guess the key distinction, in my opinion. Example, Ronald acuna being held down a few weeks for an extra year of control, sure, of course. But the luchessi, Lauer, Lockett, Nix types (in a system that will be bringing the likes of Gore, Baez, Morejon, Quantrill, etc. in the following years) can be given an opportunity to start the year. If that wasn’t the case, Jordan Lyles or Robbie Erlin would’ve taken Dinelson Lamet’s rotation spot to start the year… but the Padres did the right thing and called up luchessi. It’s not like they called up and started the clock on Gore.
im not advocating giving ALL prospects service time immediately. But if you have talent coming in waves, as the Padres hopefully do… once the luchessi, Lauer, nic, etc reach the upper minors and appear ready… you can afford to start their clocks because of that depth you have.
Just because they can afford it doesn’t mean they should. Padres gain nothing by starting Lucchesi’s clock early. If Lucchesi can continue to pitch the way he has so far this season, it would be a real shame to not have that production in the rotation in 2024 because of a few weeks several years earlier when we were still rebuilding.
I usually agree with most of what you post, particularly in the Padres website thread. But it’s just a philosophical disagreement on this… and it doesn’t make me a troller or have a lack of baseball knowledge… because my opinion was what AJ Preller ended up doing anyways. I’m pretty sure if AJ was concerned with the extra year of service from luchessi, then he wouldn’t have called him up to fill in for Lamet. Not trying to say “I was right, AJ did it”… actually don’t agree with several of AJs moves. But on this one, I think it’s just a different philosophy on how to handle some prospects.
I also think it’s important to take each prospect on a case by case consideration in these service time situations. Not every prospect will work out. Luchessi, as most people have agreed, is likely the ceiling of a #3 or #4 starter, with a floor of a #5 or bullpen arm. I think it is entirely different in risking the clock service time on a player like that, than starting the clock on a potential ace like a Mackenzie gore. If you look, Padres have luchessi, Lauer, Logan Allen, Jacob nix, and more in that range of possible #3-5 starter (ceiling) if all potential is reached. I wouldn’t go so far as to say they are interchangeable…. but just that they offer about as much upside as one another. Whereas your Gore, Morejon, Baez, etc…. those might offer ace type stuff where you need every year you can get out of them.
Like I said, it’s not a matter of NEEDING that extra year of control. It’s a matter of there being literally all upside and no downside to waiting three weeks to call Lucchesi up. One year of a #3 starter on a contending team has plenty of value. Three weeks of one on a rebuilding team does not.
Mitchell plus Headley was a bad trade by Preller, no other way to put it.
Another guy who is not getting called out is Freddy Galvis, the guy is batting .225 with 1 homer, yeah the defense is great but I don’t think the plan was to trade our number 12 overall prospect who is killing it in the Phillies system right now by the way for a punch a Judy shortstop who is on a one year deal. Enyel De Los Santos has microscopic numbers right now and would make a lot more sense in the bullpen that Bryan Mitchell makes there now.
As a lifelong Padres fan, I try to remain optimistic but this team finds a way to shoot themselves in the foot nine times out of ten. Not even 40 games into the season and we option a guy who we just have a 2 year 6 million dollar deal to come over from Japan, Bryan Mitchell has been awful, Chase Headley is an extremely overpaid pinch hitter at this point and Galvis has been disappointing to say the least. He was acquired because of the pop from the SS position and his durability but I think because he played every game in 16’ that it is having effects on his play this year, he looks taxed.
Agree for the most part. Although I don’t see an immediate upgrade at the position of SS, so I’m actually ok with the player Galvis is (as he was never really much of a hitter)… but I am completely on board with the overpayment aspect. At the time of the trade (this one is NOT in hindsight) I was very disappointed that we gave up De los Santos. He was a highly rated prospect for us, granted in a deep pitching system, but he was about the most major league ready. His stuff (big fastball and hard slider) reminded me a lot of Lamet, and he really racks up the strikeouts. The Phillies needed to move Galvis, they had to make room for Crawford and other infield prospects.
I’m ok with the player, being a stopgap shortstop…. just think we gave up too good of a prospect for him
Yeah, Galvis has pretty much zero value to the Padres without an extension. If the Padres really wanted a glove-first veteran on a one year deal to play shortstop in 2018, they could have signed Alcides Escobar for less money and kept Enyel de los Santos. I’m still not convinced he won’t be a reliever but even then, I think I’d rather have him than one year of Galvis at close to market rate.
Agree. Wouldn’t be surprised if the same happens with Lamet. For now, both he and De Los Santos are heavy fastball/slider guys without much development of a third pitch. Lamet had some success as a rookie, but the more he is seen, the more he will need that third pitch. Wouldn’t mind him or de los Santos as a bullpen piece though
Lamet’s problem is he can’t get lefties out to save his life
As a lifelong Yankee fan, I would like to thank Padres’ GM AJ Preller for being quite possibly the worst GM in MLB. I know this because Cashman is a terrible GM and my team was garbage for years because of it. We are only doing so well now because for the past 3-4 years he has FINALLY hired intelligent people and has been listening to them while taking all the credit. If Cashman can rob your team–then your team needs a new GM. Period. That’s how I knew Jack Zduriencik was a bum who would be fired. I predict that Preller will be getting the ax soon too. Bryan Mitchell is a bust. He can rarely stay healthy and even when he does, he $ucks. I’m surprised that Headley has played so badly but maybe its because he’s no longer a regular. But let me respond to several comments I have seen, by saying that Headley is not worth 13 million, no the union did not force the Padres to do this, yes there were better ways to spend that money and yeah you guys got screwed badly on this deal.
“I would like to thank Padres’ GM AJ Preller for being quite possibly the worst GM in MLB”
Dan Duquette, Walt Jocketty, Michael Hill and Dave Stewart would all like to have a word with you outside…
Well, I wouldn’t vote for any of those names you mention for “executive of the year” either (especially Stewart who is long gone.) Duquette is mediocre IMO. Jockety is a decade or two past his prime. And the Marlins were pretty stacked until the new ownership blew them up to save money and give Jeter a nice bonus.
Preller has hands down ruined this franchise 4 years and nothing to hang hat on
You actually put Cashman in the same ranks with Preller? WoW! I think Cashman has done an excellent job with the Yanks the last few years. Look at the success of the trades he’s made
and also the high ranking of minor league system ! It’s put them well ahead of their projected rebuild
and kept them under the cap!
Cashman if he gets another WS will go down as one of all time great GM’s
Cashman is a bum. For the last 20 years, we won games with the core players Stick Michael brought in. Once those guys retired, the winning stopped, because Cashman was never even a scout and does not know how to find (or develop) talent. So instead, he tried to win by overpaying guys, who were past their prime, injury prone or both. That led to us having the highest payroll almost every year, one of the most barren farm systems and the oldest team in MLB for several straight years. Eventually, fans got fed up and attendance dropped causing Hal Steinbrenner to lose money. So Cashman (in an act of pure self-preservation) cleaned house and brought in some people that do know how to find and develop talent and THOSE people helped him make the smart trades, restock the farm etc. Sadly for your team, that was about 4 years ago, which was AFTER we drafted Bryan Mitchell. So don’t bet on him getting better.
Anyway, I’m not sure a move to the bullpen will help Mitchell. The two main arguments for doing this are that a guy’s stuff will play up coming out of the bullpen and that he’s only good the first time through the lineup. Mitchell’s stuff plays well enough as it is. The problem is he can’t control it. And the first inning seems to be the inning that gives him the most trouble so I don’t think only getting to see him once will stop teams from teeing off on him.
It will be interesting to see if they keep Lyles in the rotation, with the contract they signed him to…. he won’t be going anywhere off the major league roster. If he is only making a spot start barring a prospect call up, then goes back to the bullpen…. what role does that leave Mitchell with? Erlin and Lyles will be the long relief roles (rightfully so) which leaves Mitchell for what? Situational relief? That’s not a promising prospect for a pitcher with control issues… to be called into the game in the 6th/7th inning with men on base… or maybe they leave Lyles in the rotation with Mitchell staying as long relief.
i don’t think Mitchell will work in the bullpen either, which is why I originally suggested he should just be DFA… but 95 comments later… that was not a popular opinion
How can AJ Preller still have a job? Oh Hot Lava
As a fellow padres fan, I agree. I’ve had enough of preller and losing.
I am absolutely torn on AJ Preller in terms of his GM grade. However, I think he needs to be given a couple more years… to see if the young talent proves to come to fruition or not. Pros and cons: PRO: he has built a farm system ranked highly throughout the game. CON: a lot of that talent is still very low in the minors and may not ever be actual MLB talent (no guarantee with any prospect). PRO: he has maintained a quality bullpen at the major league level, a staple of this organization, after taking over as GM. CON: he hasn’t fielded a quality major league roster of position players yet. PRO: he GREATLY improved our outreach and signings in international pools. CON: he has made some pretty poor trades at the major league level that haven’t panned out.
From the time he was with the rangers, he was hailed as a hard-working, dedicated, talented baseball eye of talent. That is much different than being a GM though. I started to feel as though he would make an excellent scouting director/player personnel development, as opposed to a GM… but I’ll give him a couple more years before passing my final judgement.
This much is for sure… with Margot struggling (his trade), Myers inconsistencies at the plate (his trade), Renfroe essentially banished to a platoon role, Cordero (not his signing) starting to hopefully show some life…. Preller really needs one of HIS guys to perform at the major league level, and fast. Luchessi and Lauer were his picks… and are doing ok so far…. but he needs to throw a lineup together at some point here soon…
How about lack of productivity from Hosmer for 144 mil? Bad trades. Preller been here 4 years all he can say is good farm system? Lucchesi and Lauer ok that’s 2 guys who lowly have TJ soon what else?
Thanks for the hard-hitting analysis Johnny Superscout!
You guys are arguing service time and when to bring up prospects like there’s a perfect answer for all prospects.
Sometimes it’s best to leave them down for a few weeks……sometimes for another full year….other times it’s better to go ahead and bring em up.
Depends on the major league alternatives…..it depends on the 40 man roster(who’s on it and who isn’t).It depends on who on the Ml roster has minor league options to make room…..or if someone needs to be DFA’d.
The point is……there isn’t ONE definitive rule to when to call up a prospect.
Urias is a good example.
Is he ready and would he be an improvement on what we have now?
Yes.
But is it wise to bring him up in a season where we will lose 90+ games just to give him some seasoning?
Maybe…..but when?
It’s not as simple as just “bring them up when they’re ready”.
For the moment it appears they are keeping Urias down both to make sure he’s 100% back from the injury he sustained early in the season and to keep him from being a Super Two.
On Lucchesi, because the Padres aren’t going to contend this year, having Erlin in the rotation over Lucchesi for four starts really wouldn’t have hurt them but not having Lucchesi on the team in 2024 (or available as a trade chip) will hurt them.
That’s assuming luchessi holds down a rotation spot with the likes of Lamet, Quantrill, Espinoza, gore, Morejon, Baez, Lauer, Allen, and others…. there’s not really any guarantee luchessi (or any of the players listed) will even be on the roster due to performance or trade possibility, by the year 2024
Having control of his 2024 season has only upside for the Padres. If you don’t see that then you’re a lost cause.
First of all, someone disagreeing with you doesn’t make them a lost cause. As stated, Preller is far more adept at making that decision than either of us commenting in a message board, and the service time and 2024 didn’t seem to concern him too much. Otherwise, like you said, Erlin would’ve gotten the starts.
thats all predicated on the success you’ve seen now though, right? But you wouldn’t have seen that success to make that judgement if he wasn’t brought up. Point being, with some prospects, you have to see if they will even succeed at the level. Luchessi and Lauer don’t exactly have dominating stuff. Agreed? There wasn’t any guarantee they would pitch well. There still isn’t, it’s been one month. If (obviously I’m hoping not) luchessi/Lauer end up getting hit and their stuff just doesn’t play consistently at this level…. what does control of them in 2024 really matter? Erlin wasn’t brought up immediately… are we thrilled to have control of him now? We have control of Mitchell now also…. is that something that makes us better?
It’s not a lost cause. It’s a difference of opinion. I think it needs to be taken on a case by case basis. It’s not as though if gore were to mow through the minor leagues, I’d want him called up immediately. No, obviously not. There are some players worth protecting that extra year of control. Some you can get by without.
Having an extra year of control of Robbie Erlin and Bryan Mitchell isn’t hurting the Padres. And if Lucchesi can’t stick in the rotation, having control of his 2024 season won’t hurt the Padres. But if he does stick, not having control of his 2024 season DOES hurt the Padres. And calling him up 3 weeks later wouldn’t have made him less likely to stick. Keeping him in the minors the extra 3 weeks was pure upside for the Padres. Unless you can come up with ONE objective thing the Padres gained by having him in the Majors to start the season other than a meaningless win or two this will remain a fact whether you like it or not!
Preller adept? At what being terrible?
Not my point at all… actually word for word what I said was that each prospect should be handled on an individual basis in regards to being called up/service time/etc
Yes and Lucchesi the individual prospect should have been called up 3 weeks later.
Let me ask something…. if that’s how we handle any prospect who is ready… to just wait theee weeks with every prospect… we are starting a season with a rotation with at least one person we know doesn’t belong there in three more weeks. do you understand the effect that would have on your 25 and 40 man rosters? On your payroll? Because where are you putting that temporary three week starter afterwards? You can’t do that year after year… prospect after prospect.
Easy. You are putting him in the bullpen, on the waiver wire or in AAA.
I’ll say it again. No good prospect should ever finish the season with x.000 years of service time.