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Cubs Acquire Cole Hamels

By Steve Adams | July 27, 2018 at 11:17am CDT

Cole Hamels and Yu Darvish are teammates once again, as the Cubs and Rangers announced a Friday morning trade sending Hamels from Texas to Chicago. The Rangers will send cash to Chicago as part of the deal and will receive right-hander Eddie Butler, right-handed pitching prospect Rollie Lacy and a player to be named later in return. The Cubs will reportedly take on $5MM of the $13.86MM still owed to Hamels ($7.86MM of his $22.5MM salary plus at least a $6MM buyout on next season’s $20MM club option).

Cole Hamels | Kevin Jairaj-USA TODAY Sports

The 34-year-old Hamels isn’t the ace that he once was, and he’s had his share of struggles in 2018 — albeit nearly all of them coming at his homer-happy home stadium in Arlington. Hamels is surrendering home runs at a career-worst rate, but it’s somewhat telling that 16 of the 23 round-trippers he’s yielded have come at Globe Life Park. Hamels has a 6.41 ERA, a 6.16 FIP and a 4.49 xFIP when pitching at home this season but a 2.93 ERA, 4.17 FIP and 3.83 xFIP on the road.

Early in the season, there was some concern over a decline in Hamels’ velocity, but he’s regained nearly all of the lost zip on his heater — an encouraging sign for he Cubs, who’ll hope that a move to the National League and a more pitcher-friendly stadium will improve Hamels’ results. Starting pitching wasn’t supposed to be a significant concern for Chicago after spending a combined $164MM to sign right-handers Yu Darvish and Tyler Chatwood this offseason. Unfortunately for Theo Epstein & Co., Darvish has been hampered by triceps injuries throughout the season, while Chatwood has alarmingly walked more hitters than any pitcher in baseball.

It’s not clear exactly how Hamels will fit into the Chicago rotation, but he’ll surely be guaranteed a starting job. Mike Montgomery has stepped up beautifully with Darvish on the disabled list and may very well have forced Chicago’s hand in keeping him in the rotation. Then again, Montgomery has also been effective as a reliever and could help to strengthen the bullpen if it’s him, not Chatwood, who is dropped to a relief role. Alternatively, the Cubs could simply look to deploy a six-man rotation consisting of Jon Lester, Jose Quintana, Kyle Hendricks, Hamels, Montgomery and Chatwood — though they’d certainly need to shuffle that arrangement when Darvish returns from the disabled list.

The Cubs currently sit about $14MM south of the $197MM luxury tax threshold, so there’s still room for the team to add even after acquiring Hamels — especially if it proves accurate that Chicago is only taking on about $4MM of salary in the deal. Chicago already added right-hander Jesse Chavez to its bullpen in a separate swap with the Rangers, but they were also linked to bigger-name relief targets in recent days, including Zach Britton and Jeurys Familia. Each, of course, has since been traded elsewhere, though it stands to reason that the Cubs will continue to monitor the market for bullpen help now that they’ve fortified their rotation a bit.

It’s not yet clear how the Rangers will utilize Butler, who has worked as both a starter and reliever in recent seasons. Texas will need to replace Hamels in the rotation, of course, though Butler’s ability to pitch multiple innings could also make him a natural candidate to step into the long relief role that was vacated when Chavez was traded to Chicago last week.

The 27-year-old Butler once rated as one of the game’s best pitching prospects during his days as a minor leaguer with the Rockies, but he never fully realized that potential. He’s shown potential at times in the Majors but owns a lifetime 5.71 ERA with 5.2 K/9, 4.1 BB/9, 1.28 HR/9 and a 48.4 percent ground-ball rate. Butler is not yet arbitration-eligible and can be controlled through the 2022 season if the Rangers wish, though he’ll likely be arb-eligible as a Super Two player for the first time this offseason. Of course, considering his minimal track record and the fact that he’s spent the vast majority of the 2018 season on the disabled list due to a groin strain, Butler won’t command much of a salary in arbitration just yet.

Lacy, meanwhile, didn’t rank among the top 30 prospects in a thin Chicago farm system on today’s updated Top 30 rankings from Jim Callis and Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com. That said, he’s in the midst of a terrific season in the minors so far and has performed similarly well since being selected in the 11th round of the 2017 draft.

Lacy has pitched to identical 2.45 ERAs in both 2017 and so far in 2018, and he was recently moved from the Class-A Midwest League to the Class-A Advanced Florida State League. In a total of 80 2/3 innings this year, he’s averaged 10.5 K/9 against 2.7 BB/9 with a ground-ball rate north of 60 percent. The 23-year-old Creighton product is only just now starting to face older competition, but his results to date are certainly encouraging.

Ultimately, the trade for the Rangers looks to have been more about cost savings than anything else. Lacy has shown some promise in the minors, and Butler gives them a lottery ticket who the Rangers hope can emerge as a viable big league arm, while the PTBNL could yet prove to be interesting as well. But at present, the likeliest outcome is that the money saved in this trade will represent the most valuable component of the swap for Texas.

Joel Sherman of the New York Post first made a strong connection between the Cubs and Hamels. Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News reported (via Twitter) that an agreement had been reached. The Athletic’s Patrick Mooney first noted that Lacy had been scratched from his start, and Yahoo’s Jeff Passan reported more definitively that Lacy and a PTBNL were in the deal (Twitter link). Jeff Wilson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram tweeted that the Rangers would receive a second pitcher who is “not a prospect” (which proved to be Butler). Fancred’s Jon Heyman reported (on Twitter) that the Cubs would take on $5MM of the remaining money owed to Hamels.

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  1. xabial

    7 years ago

    Looking forward to more trades leading to the trade deadline. We’ve been spoiled, these last couple of days!

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    • tigersfan1320

      7 years ago

      This isn’t a blockbuster, it would’ve if hamels was a few years younger but he’s clearly declining

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    • Matt Galvin

      7 years ago

      Deadline needs to be moved to midnight or no Deadline.

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      • jsnhbe1

        7 years ago

        What?

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        • Long Duc Dong

          7 years ago

          He will be a nice bullpen piece

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        • ray_derek

          7 years ago

          He’ll be starting for sure

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    • Voice of Reason

      7 years ago

      It’s not a blockbuster. It’s the cubs picking up a veteran starting pitcher for the stretch. It’s another option with darvish hurt, and maybe not returning, and Chatwood throwing really bad baseball. It’s a low risk move by Theo. He needed to add a starter.

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    • murphy

      7 years ago

      Just because he’s a /name/ doesn’t mean it’s blockbuster.
      Hand trade was blockbuster, Machado was blockbuster.
      This was just another trade nothing more.

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      • srechter

        7 years ago

        Why does it have to have a title at all? Especially one so subjective. Who is anyone to say what is and isn’t a “blockbuster?” Also, I’m beyond tired of that weary word used to describe trades anyway. They’re all trades. Their level of significance is inherently subjective.

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        • Thomas Walker

          7 years ago

          Thanks for clearing that up. I was operating under the assumption that this was a blockbuster. Now I’m disappointed.

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        • murphy

          7 years ago

          The dilhole known as xabial edited his thing.

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        • KJ0911

          7 years ago

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        • boo rad

          7 years ago

          Wait… so it is a blockbuster?!?! I was under the impression that there was only one blockbuster left and it was somewhere in Ohio (or the like). Though, I’m told their selection of VHS is TOP SHELF!!!!

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        • xabial

          7 years ago

          What does me editing my comment have have anything to do with srechter’s response, murphy?

          srechter commented way AFTER I edited it. He read both our comments. That doesn’t mean you’re right. You’re still wrong, dillhole

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        • xabial

          7 years ago

          Thanks, srechter. No one is going to believe me, but I literally echo those exact sentiments, which is why removed “blockbuster”

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        • SaberSmuckers

          7 years ago

          You literally echo? You sure about that?

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        • xabial

          7 years ago

          (Uh Oh… gotta Think fast… Think fast…) Minor semantics?

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        • abcrazy4dodgers

          7 years ago

          Oregon, actually, but yeah.

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    • pikeypike

      7 years ago

      What’s coming back ?

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      • oldleftylong

        7 years ago

        Got to be low level prospects. The Cubbies have nothing left in AAA or AA. One of the five worst farms in the MLB.

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        • ray_derek

          7 years ago

          and happy to have one of the more youthful MLB rosters with a very bright future. A down year and still have the best record in the NL.

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        • NickGarren

          7 years ago

          Cubs farm is just fine. There is 3-4 solid prospects just in South Bend, And that is not including our 1st rd pick who was called up but is now on the DL with an elbow issue.

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    • nsmith12641

      7 years ago

      Don’t know why everyone is saying x said it was a blockbuster. He just stated that we’ve been spoiled with seeing a bunch a trades.

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      • xabial

        7 years ago

        I said it and removed it. It was 100% my fault. do believe this is a “blockbuster” tho, because of $$$ Hamels is owed, and the dire status of SP market. It’s a blockbuster, by default. As I’m sure all of you know, love me some Hamels. My #1 choice for SP. Congrats, Cubs’ fans. I hope Happ and Hamels square off in the post season, and may beat team win

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        • xabial

          7 years ago

          best* team win.

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        • Cubbie75

          7 years ago

          Oh thx for clarifying. The responses were puzzling.

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      • Cubbie75

        7 years ago

        yeah who brought up blockbuster to begin with?

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    • xabial

      7 years ago

      Perhaps most telling stat:

      Cole Hamels has given up 16 homers over 59 IP home, and 7 home runs over 55 1/3 innings on the road.

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      • Samuel

        7 years ago

        Well……

        Now that Hamels will be pitching his home games in that humongous Wrigley Field, those high HR counts will magically disappear.

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        • Djones246890

          7 years ago

          Wrigley Field is deceiving. It’s a small ballpark that usually plays like a large one.

          The wind blows in on the majority of days, and that makes hitting a home run quite the task.

          He’ll do just fine in Wrigley.

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    • Knowthemarket

      7 years ago

      Op didn’t say this trade was a blockbuster.

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  2. ThatBallwasBryzzoed

    7 years ago

    Hoping its Diekman as well. Not just Hamels.

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    • Robert-5

      7 years ago

      Id rather Kela

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      • ThatBallwasBryzzoed

        7 years ago

        That works too. The last few trades for the Cubs were 1 for 1 or 4 for 1 deals. They need 2 for 3 deals for 2 for 2 deals. Improve the bullpen and rotation at the same time.

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        • wrigleywannabe

          7 years ago

          Chavez did the pen and Hamels does the rotation.

          Likely, they were after Happ and this was plan b.

          You don’t make package deals just to make them

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        • sidewinder11

          7 years ago

          They made the deal for Avila and Wilson last season. Short memory?

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        • ThatBallwasBryzzoed

          7 years ago

          Justin Wilson has been less than spectacular. He has his moments. Other times he’s terrible.

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        • ray_derek

          7 years ago

          He’s been a lot better in 2018, still a bit inconsistent…

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    • jsnhbe1

      7 years ago

      I want Kelly from the Nats when they decide to sell.

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  3. fasbal1

    7 years ago

    The Cubs needed another overpriced ex-Ranger

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    • ThatBallwasBryzzoed

      7 years ago

      They likely didn’t pay high for him.

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  4. Fire Jon Daniels

    7 years ago

    All I know for sure is Jon just got fleeced. The only thing that remains to be known is how badly.

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    • xabial

      7 years ago

      To say so at this point, would be premature. We do not know anything(yet) Bias is showing FireJonDaniels.

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      • Fire Jon Daniels

        7 years ago

        I make my bias explicitly clear for a reason!

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      • jorge78

        7 years ago

        Sorry Xabial us Ranger fans are just bummed by the losing and injuries and bad contracts and did I say losing? We got spoiled now we gotta get schooled…..

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        • xabial

          7 years ago

          All good! It’s not like JD is reading this thread for latest feedback on this trade 😉

          I just feel like “fleeced” was too much considering the only thing we knew at the time, was Cubs and Rangers agreed to a Hamels trade Lol. “Fleeced” seems #1 word.

          Forget about waiting years after trade to see who won… didn’t know who Cubs sent back lmao

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        • jorge78

          7 years ago

          Cool beans…..

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        • xabial

          7 years ago

          I’ve got some magic beans, looking to sell. When that beanstalk grows… I’ll get fleeced.

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    • tharrie0820

      7 years ago

      hard to get fleeced on someone with no value..

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    • oldleftylong

      7 years ago

      To trade with the Cubs is a fleece. They have nothing of value in the minors to trade.

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      • getright11

        7 years ago

        Wrong

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      • tim815

        7 years ago

        Simple minded much?

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    • oz10

      7 years ago

      Anything for Cole is a win. He is a sunk cost in a losing season. You complain about JD not trading anyone and then complain when he trades Chavez and now complain that he is able to get rid of a crap pitcher.

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      • anthony1-13

        7 years ago

        Lmao crap pitcher huh.. that crap pitcher was your #1.. Hamels is the cubs #4/5.. let that sink in

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  5. hmmmm1234

    7 years ago

    Yu got that right

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  6. brewcrewbernie

    7 years ago

    Whatever they gave up is too much. Guy is well past his prime.

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    • wrigleywannabe

      7 years ago

      Yey, he is an upgrade over Chatwood….get a grip

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    • pdubs2907

      7 years ago

      I’m a Brewers fan but Hamels’ road numbers are actually pretty good

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    • twentyforty

      7 years ago

      Milwaukee will be 12 behind by September….but your homerism is duly noted.

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      • ThatBallwasBryzzoed

        7 years ago

        And in 3rd.

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    • Adolpho67

      7 years ago

      Read Ken Rosenthal’s note about scouts take on Hamels. Could be a huge piece for Cubs!

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    • anthony1-13

      7 years ago

      Haha yeah same age as Lester toolbag

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  7. Cubby

    7 years ago

    If he doesn’t walk everyone in sight he’s an upgrade from Chatwood.

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  8. sidewinder11

    7 years ago

    I still remember his no-hitter in his last start with the Phillies. Good guy. Hopefully a change of scenery helps him out

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    • stymeedone

      7 years ago

      Like it helped out Chatwood? Was there anyone thinking getting out of Coors wouldn’t be good for him?

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    • raef715

      7 years ago

      and that no-hitter was at Wrigley.

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      • Priggs89

        7 years ago

        And it was against the Cubs. So unless he’s pitching batting practice, that means absolutely nothing.

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  9. JoeyPankake

    7 years ago

    He is having a down year, yet still has a higher WAR than Bryce Harper.

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    • Priggs89

      7 years ago

      Yet Bryce Harper still has a higher WAR than Rizzo and anyone on the Cubs pitching staff not named Hamels.

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      • Gavin B

        7 years ago

        Yet Rizzo was hitting as good as Harper and has just ripped it up and is going to be above him because of the last 10 games

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        • Priggs89

          7 years ago

          Except the numbers are constantly updated, and the last 10 days didn’t help Rizzo pass Harper…

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      • thecoffinnail

        7 years ago

        Lester (2.4 war), Montgomery (0.9), Hendricks (1.1), Quintana (1.1), Cishek (1.3), Wilson (0.7), Morrow (1.4), Strop (1.1), Rosario (0.9) and Edwards Jr. (0.7) all have high WAR than Harper’s 0.4. Rizzo has moved up to 0.8, so in fact he has double the WAR of Harper. Comparing a 1st baseman to a CF doesn’t seem fair though. Albert Almora has 2.5 WAR so far this year and his is a better comparable to Harper. (These were all done with Bwar).

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  10. skrockij89

    7 years ago

    Though the M’s would’ve picked him up. Wonder is Harvey is on Dipoto’s radar instead.

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  11. DG32

    7 years ago

    It was all part of our plan.. Utley wins the NL west for us, Hamels wins the NL Central for us, and the Phillies win the NL East, meaning we automatically make the World Series

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    • jdgoat

      7 years ago

      Lmao. You do know that since this is happening so perfectly for you it’s going to be one of the wild card teams that go to the World Series and you’re going to have to watch Phillies legend Erik Kratz or Clay Buchholz who end up winning

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    • Bowadoyle

      7 years ago

      Phil’s have no shot! They are just lucky to be in a bad division.

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  12. Stat_head

    7 years ago

    So Texas saves $4M and gets a low level prospect? Seems like a no-brainer for the Cubs.

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    • AidanVega123

      7 years ago

      TEX is probably getting more than just that one pitcher I would assume.

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      • oldleftylong

        7 years ago

        Uh, ….

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    • Jimcarlo Slaton

      7 years ago

      Texas saves at least $10 million according to this article. Cubs would also be responsible for Hamels’ 2019 buyout.

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      • toomuchpie

        7 years ago

        No, they save $4M per the article. He is owed $8M the remainder of this season plus $6M buyout for next season. That’s a total of $14M and the Cubs are taking on $4M of it.

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        • justinept

          7 years ago

          Correct. It’s a mouthful of a sentence in the story. But the takeaway is the portion outside the parenthesis “Earlier today, Sherman reported that the Cubs were willing to take on about $4MM of the roughly $14MM still owed to Hamels”

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        • Stat_head

          7 years ago

          This is my point. If the Cubs took on $10M and threw in a couple of fringe prospects it would be a salary dump and the $6M next year could get a useful FA or bounce back candidate. By paying for over 2/3 of the remaining contract Texas should have been able to get one of the Cub’s 15-25 prospects.

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    • CubsForever5

      7 years ago

      Exactly and hamels road stats r great. Were getting him for almost nothing and I Guarantee you that with the change of scenery and being on a team that’s actually the best team in the National League with a real shot at winning a title will motivate him. It had to be hard for him pitching in front of it there’s clowns in Texas because they’re just so awful. He’s going to come into the Cubs locker room get pumped up and go out there and pitch like the Hamels a few years ago put it down.

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      • oz10

        7 years ago

        Guarantee…..that’s bold.

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  13. joshpowers

    7 years ago

    Past his prime vs. is it a current upgrade from current rotation ?? I say yes. I’m taking a past his prime Hamels over whatever Chatwood is doing at the moment.

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    • knolln

      7 years ago

      this is all it is. chatwood is a 13 spot waiting to happen any inning. hamels is bad, but you’ve got an idea how bad. i’m mildly happy he’s gone. you should be mildly pleased to have him.

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  14. CubsRebsSaints

    7 years ago

    Same age as JonLester

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  15. zmay718

    7 years ago

    The Cubs fleeced the Rangers. Why is Texas so desperate to dump Hamels that they’ll eat so much of his remaining salary?
    If Hamels responds this could be a real cue d’etat for Epstein.

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    • mazzith

      7 years ago

      That’s because they plan on cutting him next year anyways because he’s not that good. They’re trying to do a quick rebuild, and anything they can get for a player that’s not going to be on the team next year is a win.

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  16. nsmith12641

    7 years ago

    As a Cub fan I’m ok with this move, barring a big cost. I think Hamels can hold down Chatwoods spot and make up for some of Darvish’s poor production and injury issues.

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    • oldleftylong

      7 years ago

      Uh, ….

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  17. Mikel Grady

    7 years ago

    Yes we should keep trotting out Chatwood every five days . Hamels pitching with opposite arm >Chatwood

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    • yourcubreporter

      7 years ago

      For whatever reason, the Cubs keep winning when Chatwood starts…

      No logical explanation.

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      • CubsForever5

        7 years ago

        Yea there is, we r just really good, never quit. And as bad as chat with you has been with the walks he has a weird way of getting out of jams

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        • adkuchan

          7 years ago

          His Batting average against is only .240, which if he had thrown more innings would put him in the top 50 in baseball. When he throws strikes, he’s hard to hit. He is just a mess out there with his mechanics this season. He is leading MLB in walks by an alarmingly wide margin. He has walked 21 more guys than the second worst offender in that category. (85 to 64!) It’s unbelievable.

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  18. c1234

    7 years ago

    There rotation is getting older and older

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    • xabial

      7 years ago

      Year younger than the other “top” SP was on market: J.A. Happ. Happ is just cheaper, but that does not necessarily make him better. I hope I’m wrong. Both these pitchers’ values were plummeting.

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      • c1234

        7 years ago

        That’s true

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    • wrigleywannabe

      7 years ago

      He is a rental

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    • Adolpho67

      7 years ago

      But for the first time in the Theo Era, the Cubs have quality depth in young pitching at all levels, especially lower minors. Soon to come: Underwood, Clifton, Lange, Hatch, Leal, Swarmer, etc.

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      • dewssox79

        7 years ago

        quality depth? lol

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        • rondon

          7 years ago

          Your homer’s showing.

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      • Los Calcetines Rojos

        7 years ago

        I’m not sure any of the names on that list outside of Clifton get me remotely excited.

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    • justinept

      7 years ago

      Scientific laws prove that it’s impossible to get younger.

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  19. ThatBallwasBryzzoed

    7 years ago

    So with a buyout option does that mean the Cubs buy him out or are the rangers reasonable for his club option which would keep him on the Cubs for 2019 as well.

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    • Bryzzo2016

      7 years ago

      Yep, Cubs have the option to keep him for next year or buy him out at 6 mil, but Texas is reportedly eating a chunk of cash in the deal. If his road splits hold true, Cubs will easily have plenty of money to keep him. They purposely have stayed below the luxury tax so they can blow past it this winter and not get hit as a repeat offender. I like the deal.

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      • justinept

        7 years ago

        If Hamels hits FA next year, would he get $14 million? If you don’t think he would, then the Cubs would be better served buying him out and trying to bring him back at a lower cost – or just letting him walk completely.

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        • ThatBallwasBryzzoed

          7 years ago

          I could see him getting at least 12-14 mil on a 1 year deal. I just wasnt sure how a trade involving a buy option worked. Wasnt sure if texas was gonna have to also pay for part of that option as part of the trade. If that happened theo is a genius

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        • chino31

          7 years ago

          Hamels can def get a 2 year 20 mil deal. He can still eat innings.

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        • anthony1-13

          7 years ago

          I mean chatwood just got basically $13m per.. I could see hamels getting a 2/$30mil deal.. personally I hope he tears it up as a cub and we keep him next year.. Lester Darvish Hendricks Q and Hamels is a damn good rotation

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      • Djones246890

        7 years ago

        I can see the Cubs keeping him next year, if he performs well in the rest of the regular season and playoffs (even if they don’t win the World Series).

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        • Djones246890

          7 years ago

          ……….I think we can all agree the Chatwood book has been closed. I don’t think anyone can bare anymore.

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        • anthony1-13

          7 years ago

          $$ says otherwise

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  20. steelerbravenation

    7 years ago

    Thank god the Braves didn’t get him

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    • anthony1-13

      7 years ago

      Lmao yeah you’re much better trotting out Tehran Fried and Anibal Sanchez.. gimme a break

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  21. Leody Taveras

    7 years ago

    We got fleeced. Again

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    • oz10

      7 years ago

      Cole sucks, look at this year. Let him be to the cubs what dumpster was to us.

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  22. User 1104686089

    7 years ago

    I betcha the guys that are coming from Chicago are so young that we won’t know for couple of years if this was a good trade. Texas cares very little for money right now so I bet they got at least three young guys with high upside and considered it a win, makes sense.

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    • Leody Taveras

      7 years ago

      I doubt it. Rangers like 23 yo A ballers with little upside.

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      • oz10

        7 years ago

        I remember when Kyle Hendricks was a throw in pitcher on trade with little upside. He turned out OK (minus this year).

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    • Djones246890

      7 years ago

      Yup. It’ll be plenty of years before Texas can send them up to the big show, if ever.

      Keep in mind, if they don’t play well in the minors, they obviously will never see time.

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  23. Bryzzo2016

    7 years ago

    I love it if it gets Chatwood out of the rotation. Cubs gave up very little to get him. Obviously not the TOR starter he once was but his road splits are actually quite good. Nice pick up!

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    • c1234

      7 years ago

      I’m sure chatwood will get pushed out of the rotation. He isn’t good.

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      • rondon

        7 years ago

        I hope they take Chatwood out of the rotation, but Maddon might put Montgomery back in the BP as the LHP they need. I hope that’s not the plan, but…

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    • cubfandirtman

      7 years ago

      ABC…Anyone But Chatwood!

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    • mike127

      7 years ago

      If it gets anyone out of the rotation it will be Montgomery. Duensing DFA, Monty to the pen as a pretty reliable lefty and someone to eat innings and take some pressure off. OR—-six man rotation for a while. There is no way you can put Chatwood in the pen and expect him to come in and throw strikes. After losing his first three starts, somehow the Cubs are 11-5 in his last 16 starts—-not sure how they win when he pitches, but they do. Cannot put him in the pen.

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      • Hector_Villanueva_Fan_Club

        7 years ago

        That could be that they pull Montgomery and move him to the pen and that makes a lot of sense if Chatwood was giving us anything at all, but he is and has been terrible. At some point, we either need to send him down or disable him. His inability to at least get through the fifth in any start just kills the bullpen game after game. What Maddon will probably do is a tag team and have Chatwood start and Montgomery as his primary relief until Darvish returns.

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        • Djones246890

          7 years ago

          The best move with Chatwood is to not pitch him at all (as a starter or in the bullpen).

          He’s well beyond a liability. Same goes for Justin Wilson and Brian Duensing.

          Every single time these guys pitch, they manage to let runs in. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

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        • anthony1-13

          7 years ago

          Wilson has a 3.10 era slow down buddy

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    • ThatBallwasBryzzoed

      7 years ago

      Chatwoods next start is August 1st vs rhe pirates. That’s likely Hamels first start.

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  24. hmmmm1234

    7 years ago

    World Series, here we go

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  25. dewssox79

    7 years ago

    great deal if this was a few years ago.

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  26. Rich0303

    7 years ago

    Hopefully this can be like Verlander from last year.. Was having an aweful year, then got rejuvenated after the trade.. Only time will tell.. Definitely worth a try.. Not to mention he is the same age Verlander was when he got traded last year..

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  27. Thronson5

    7 years ago

    Yea he’s not the ace he once was but he is a very solid get for the Cubs. This is like their trade last year for a quality arm maybe not as good but still very solid pick up for them. Really love how active teams have been so far and I pray my Dodgers can get another starter and a reliever or two because they need it.

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  28. hurricanewar23

    7 years ago

    Are the rangers taking all of his salary? Maybe they will get 2-3 prospects back?

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    • rondon

      7 years ago

      The Cubs pick up 4 mill of this year and assume the option for next (with the 6 mill buyout).

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      • Varangian

        7 years ago

        No, the Rangers are covering the buyout

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  29. bravesfan

    7 years ago

    Braves could have beaten this deal. Very frustrating

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    • lowtalker1

      7 years ago

      Braves are not contenders this year. Maybe next year

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      • bleacherbum

        7 years ago

        They are going to fizzle down the stretch. Sat on their Hands and have missed just about everyone.

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    • Blah blah blah

      7 years ago

      I feel like everybody could have beaten the Familia deal too, but Mets didn’t shop around.

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  30. yuforreal

    7 years ago

    What prospects are coming back to Texas…any ideas?

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    • Blah blah blah

      7 years ago

      Rollie Lacy is the only one we know so far. Seems like there is one more.

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      • xabial

        7 years ago

        PTBNL is the other. I’m telling you, Rangers’ fans PTBNL have potential to surprise, more often than not.

        Stop saying “fleeced”..

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        • hurricanewar23

          7 years ago

          Usually player to be named later depends on how Cole does for Chicago. If he pitched well this season then rangers could pick a 15-30 ranked prospects from the cubs. Depends on what they agreed too

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        • xabial

          7 years ago

          That’s pretty cool. Wish these PTBNL lists get to choose were more often disclosed!

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        • tim815

          7 years ago

          Not correct.

          The PTBNL is from a list of players. Usually three to five. The team can take whatever is specified, and the deadline is 6 months. So, the Rangers figure to have six months to decide on one more player to add from the list.

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        • oz10

          7 years ago

          To expand upon tim815, it gives teams time to be able to scout a player or players longer that they don’t know enough of to make a decision on right now. If the list came out, the players could then decide to tank or influence in other ways not being traded.

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  31. Thomas Bliss

    7 years ago

    Cubs could trade some of the guys they drafted this year as a player to be name later in this trade.

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    • oz10

      7 years ago

      That can no longer be done.

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  32. Grade_1_teacher

    7 years ago

    I doubt that an aging Cole Hamels is going to have much of an impact on getting the Cubs to the playoffs. Only Lester is earning his salary this year. Quintana has not been worth the pieces they gave up for him. Kyle Hendricks has pitched more like Liam Hendriks. And then there’s their big free agent signings of last winter: Tyler Chatwalk and Yu Garbage. They would’ve been better off trying to spring for Archer. Good luck.

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    • CubsForever5

      7 years ago

      And yet we have the best record in the nl buddy lol.
      Go cry a river for ur sorry team

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      • dewssox79

        7 years ago

        not saying much when the NL is hot garbage

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        • wrigleywannabe

          7 years ago

          Actually, it would say a lot, if you think about it.

          Of course, I know that is hard for you.

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        • Varangian

          7 years ago

          Tell that to the Orioles, White Sox and Royals

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        • JKB 2

          7 years ago

          It actually says ALOT. It says they are the best team in the National League. Deal with it. Man up.

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        • Gavin B

          7 years ago

          Anyone who says the NL is garbage doesn’t have half a brain…. the NL is more competitive then the AL and teams actually fight and aren’t 30 games behind other teams….also all divisions are very competitive with at least 2-3+ teams close… I would seriously love if Hamels came over to the Cubs and pitches like he does on the rode so that the Brewers fans, cards fans, pirates fans, etc all realize they aren’t beating the Cubs this year whatsoever

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        • Gavin B

          7 years ago

          Also another thing. People can talk about stats all they want but the cubs also have an amazing defense. Also Not that Chavez has pitched 30 innings or anything but I remember when people were talking about how bad that was too. How’s he done. Oh yeah he has 5 IP and not a single run yet. Also if you want to argue the defensive point look at Lester. I’m sick of hearing he’s lucky and is hit off of too hard blah blah blah. He has mainted a under three era most of the year and after getting lit up came back with 6 innings 1 run. This can be the same case with hamels. Just good, older, pitchers who like and trust their defense to make plays behind them.

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        • adkuchan

          7 years ago

          NL is up 110 to 92 in interleague play as of 4:00pm 7/27. The NL Central in particular is 47-17 against AL foes.
          The AL is top heavy, but 6 complete doormats. (How Cleveland has only won 55 games while residing in the AL Central is a mystery, talk about hot garbage…)

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    • mike127

      7 years ago

      Of course Hamels will not have much impact getting the Cubs to the playoffs. They have the best record in the league without him and with all the said deficiencies you note. They are making the playoffs regardless. Thanks for the good luck sentiments.

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    • CubsForever5

      7 years ago

      We’re going to the playoffs without him, love how all these homer dodger and brewers abs cards fans who r now behind the pirates think they r better. Prove it. We’re ending the cards season with a 3 game sweep starting tomm night

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      • bighiggy

        7 years ago

        Your powers of foresight are very terrible lol. Dont quit your day job, if you have one. The cards season is most likely already done but the cards sweeping the Cubs may cost them home field in the playoffs. Funny you talk all that smack and are about to get swept by an underachieving cardinal team.

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    • wrigleywannabe

      7 years ago

      Frank I think I’m a big Diehl with another 3rd grade level nickname.

      How’s that Tulipitwitzi deal working out?

      Hey, you always have Marcus Noman to pitch.

      Who can forget Robert why are we always out of rhe race sOsuna?

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  33. RedRooster

    7 years ago

    Are the Cubs on his no-trade list?

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    • JKB 2

      7 years ago

      The Cubs are not on his no trade list

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  34. aTexhoss

    7 years ago

    and jon daniels gets fleeced again. he has systematically run this organization into the ground. teams know they can haggle him down on any trade out of Texas with anything. the moron will sell the farm for a rental hen he’s buying, but only wants to be paid in peanuts when selling. JD is a joke.

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    • bradthebluefish

      7 years ago

      Fleeced? Nobody wanted Hamels.

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      • CubsForever5

        7 years ago

        Actually the Braves. Brewers Phil’s and others did too

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        • oz10

          7 years ago

          I doubt those teams were knocking the door down after the performance he turned in for his last start. Also with his no trade clause it made dealing with the Cubs easier. The probably also saw Lacy when scouting for the Chavez deal and decided that was the guy they wanted. He may not be on the top 30 list for the Cubs but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t making strides to get there, only been a pro for a year.

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      • JKB 2

        7 years ago

        Numerous teams wanted to land Hamels

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      • tim815

        7 years ago

        Define “Nobody”.

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        • Daniel Youngblood

          7 years ago

          Wanting a guy and being willing to part with a significant amount of talent to acquire him are two different things. And there were no suitors in that second category after Hamels’ last five starts.

          Depending on who they end up getting as the PTBNL, this is probably about as much as the Rangers could have hoped for for a struggling and expensive Cole Hamels — a polished college pitcher with marginal stuff, a post-hype prospect swing man with some utility as either a starter or reliever and a lottery ticket.

          It’s not sexy, but if Lacy can carry over his success to Double-A next season, he becomes a real prospect all of the sudden. And Butler gives them a guy to plug into their staff in some capacity both now and for the foreseeable future. If the PTBNL is an intriguing prospect at all, this could turn out to be a decent trade in the long run.

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      • ThatBallwasBryzzoed

        7 years ago

        There was at least 10 teams interested in him. Cubs, Braves, Phillies, brewers, red Sox and Yankees.

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  35. joefriday1948

    7 years ago

    This represents the best trade in the history of the Texas Rangers. George Bush is even considering buying back the team.They are now in top position to contend and will be playing all games for a full nine innings. Brillant and insightful for this steal of the Cubs. How did ttey do it?

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  36. bradthebluefish

    7 years ago

    They used to make comparisons between Jon Lester and Cole Hamels. Funny how they are both on the same team now.

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  37. pkazaka05

    7 years ago

    Well good thing espn wasn’t right about the “several” low class a prospects for him

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    • ab3b29

      7 years ago

      It will end up being one.

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  38. Hector_Villanueva_Fan_Club

    7 years ago

    I had the feeling that it was not going to be for anyone that was on the top 30 prospect list.. Maybe the PTNL will be, but it just didn’t make much sense to trade much for a guy with his numbers and high salary.

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  39. 2weeks

    7 years ago

    sounds like cubs over paid

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    • CubsForever5

      7 years ago

      Lol

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    • wrigleywannabe

      7 years ago

      A single A guy, not in their top 30 and other pieces that are unknown equals an over pay?

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  40. hiflew

    7 years ago

    I wonder if they are sending back Tyler Chatwood. It would offset some cost and I think it is clear Chatwood has no future with the Cubs.

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    • pdubs2907

      7 years ago

      Why would Tex want that contract?

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      • hiflew

        7 years ago

        It’s not a bad contract and Chatwood was well worth it last season pitching in Colorado. He just isn’t clicking in Chicago.

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    • riphaggard

      7 years ago

      My guess would be Eddie Butler.

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      • ThatBallwasBryzzoed

        7 years ago

        No one from the 25 man or 40 man roster is being moved. A single A player and a rookie ball player for the ptbnl. Theres no reason to send back a major league player back.

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        • riphaggard

          7 years ago

          Eddie Butler is out of options, it makes plenty of sense. Two pitchers and a ptbnl is the return.

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        • iverbure

          7 years ago

          It was Eddie Butler. Another who said it wouldn’t be ought to be banned from commenting for a week.

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      • tim815

        7 years ago

        Nice play.

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      • hiflew

        7 years ago

        Very good call.

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    • Anthony Princeton

      7 years ago

      Chatwood also has no value right now and 2/$25.5m left on his contract. Cubs would have to eat most of that or take another hideous contact back.

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      • hiflew

        7 years ago

        They are taking a hideous contract back…Hamels.

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        • xabial

          7 years ago

          Rental SP owed about $14M over 2 years is a “hideous contract”?

          dude is a clear “change of scenery candidate” deserves more respect.

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      • ThatBallwasBryzzoed

        7 years ago

        Yeah it’s like milton Bradley all over again. It’s like I’m a broken record about this. But that’s another deal that made jim hendry the worst gm of all time. And its the reason why he’s now a errand boy for Brian Cashman.

        Milton Bradley never had a multi year deal. Never spent more than a season on one team. 11 teams 11 years.

        Chatwood is someone jim hendry would give 60+ mil for 3 years. He gave Alfonso Soriano that contract.
        He gave derek lee a huge extension after one good season. He gave starlin castro a team friendly deal
        Aramis Ramirez as well all had one good year.

        Castro had more success but he’s at his peak. He wont increase but he’s also not on a decline either.

        I feel bad for him if he doesnt go to Boston and help them. If they dont get Dozier.

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    • Daniel Youngblood

      7 years ago

      I actually wondered about this as well when I saw Jeff Wilson’s “not a prospect” update. With Minor and Perez being the Rangers’ only two starters under contract for next year (assuming Texas picks up Perez’s option), they just need warm bodies to start games the next two years. It’s not like they’ll be in a position to compete in this AL West anytime soon. Chatwood might be a nice buy-low candidate to eat innings through the rebuild.

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  41. sergefunction

    7 years ago

    I would like to see a Wrigley rebirth for Hamels, but cannot unsee his recent Detroit start of 0-2/3 and 7 runs. Can he overnight invent Crafty Lefty? It’s been done.

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  42. Adolpho67

    7 years ago

    Talk about Theo looking for competitive advantages! Both Cards & Brewers struggle vs. LHP. Cub rotation could include Q, Hamels, Lester, & Smiley by Sept 1.

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  43. pdubs2907

    7 years ago

    Well, thanks for just giving him away Rangers (sarc)

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    • oz10

      7 years ago

      So we should have kept him, waited on another offer that may have never materialized or he invoked his no trade, and let him go at the end of the year, leaving us with nothing to show for it next year. They got something for a faltering pitcher so it should be a win.

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  44. pullhitter445

    7 years ago

    Darvish isn’t gonna return this year, just my opinion. Darvish is so sensitive to his public image and refuse to get out of his own way. Chatwood I actually thought would benefit signing with the cubs and leaving coots field, boy was I wrong. Two terrible offseason moves by Theo specifically the Darvish move which his issues are not a surprise to many. Theo has struck out on several of his FA signings while with the cubs, notably: Edwin Jackson, jayson heyward, yu Darvish, and Tyler chatwood. This hamels deal cost the cubs nothing other than money owed to hamels and may work out for them. Adding another pitcher with home run issues isn’t promising though. Hendricks has seen his home run numbers increase on last years totals and Quintana along with Hendricks are pitching like #3’s to #4’s. Cubs have some issues within there pitching staff that just may prevent them from making it past the first round of the postseason this year.

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    • Djones246890

      7 years ago

      He didn’t strike out with Heyward. He has been playing up to his potential all year, and is one of their most consistent hitters.

      He could’ve easily been an All-Star. Edwin Jackson was never meant to be a stud pitcher. He was meant to fill a rotation spot on a rebuilding (at-the-time) team.

      Quintana has had some issues, but I wouldn’t call him a bust. Hendricks is far from a bust…just going through a slump.

      And, as far as Darvish, there’s nothing many GM/President can do about injuries.

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    • tuke17

      7 years ago

      Quintana’s last 14 starts he’s only given up more than 2 runs 4 times. Not really what I would call a “bust”.

      Hendricks has been in a slump. It happens.

      Heyward has finally found his swing so at the minimum, the jury is still out.

      As for Darvish, it’s easy to call the signing a “bust” with the comfort of hindsight. Injuries happen, even to players that have had healthy careers which Darvish has for the most part. With the exception of his time missed recovering from TJ, he’d only been on the DL around 3 times for 10-15 day stretches for minor ailments. Is he a bust? Maybe, but you can’t say it was a bad signing when there were numerous other teams all wanting him as well. Who knows, he may come back and pitch like the TOR guy he always has.

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    • Gavin B

      7 years ago

      The fact you are even criticizing Theo makes me puke in my mouth

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      • Gavin B

        7 years ago

        Totally agree tuke17

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  45. Anthony Princeton

    7 years ago

    Hamels should fit in nicely with the Cubs rotation. From Fangraphs write up on the Happ trade by Szymborski.

    “The team’s been linked to Cole Hamels in recent weeks, but that seems a curiously unsatisfying acquisition from New York’s perspective. At this point, Hamels’ reputation is still mostly derived from what he did in Philadelphia and, after a so-so 2017, he’s been hit hard and often in 2018. It’s tempting to disregard the inflated HR/FB rate as a fluke, but his 44.9% hard-hit rate this year is the second-highest among qualifiers — this after he set a career high in 2017. Now, that’s not enough to doom a pitcher by itself — Zack Greinke and Patrick Corbin are up there too and having fine seasons — but it does lend support to the notion that his homers allowed aren’t flukes.”

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  46. ThatBallwasBryzzoed

    7 years ago

    Highly doubt the PTBNL will be a major league player

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    • xabial

      7 years ago

      Care to tell me tomorrow’s lottery numbers?

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      • ThatBallwasBryzzoed

        7 years ago

        Sure. I don’t have a lottery. Yours are the same exact numbers from all about the benjamins

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  47. thebare54

    7 years ago

    Jamel will surprise everyone and Texas will be upset but his arm is still good when you get old you got to want to pitch well. Hamel is going to be as good as Lester just Watch.Now Yu needs a good case ofAmnesia Chi Town will love him if he comes back and just try. Hendricks and Q are fine just hard luck . The pen is the best except NYY ? Chatwood can pitch like Jackson did in Losses we would let position guys pitch . Maybe next year fresh start DFA send to IOWA!

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    • Gavin B

      7 years ago

      A bit to optimistic but I think that the cubs will be perfectly fine with the 1 2 if Lester Hendricks followed up by Quintana AND NOW Hamels. That is a really good 4 and Monty is also there

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  48. jleve618

    7 years ago

    Well, guess I’ve got a reason to root for the cubs now. My favorite player as a kid.

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  49. iverbure

    7 years ago

    Someone here on the site assumed Hamels have very little value and said the Rangers would probably eat a majority of the money and only get a low level prospect. Can’t remember who is was. Not sure why there needed to be a discussion about Happ vs Hamels. One is cheaper and much better than the other, I’d take Happ and not even think twice about it.

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    • anthony1-13

      7 years ago

      Then you’d be wrong

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  50. Byron J Kelley

    7 years ago

    I like this trade. The Rangers didn’t get a prized minor league player, yet, and Hamels has a change to turn things around in the National League. Now if the Cubs were really smart they’d send Chatwood to the minor leagues to get himself straightened out, or include him in the deal as the “PTBNL.,” heck, maybe make it Yu Darvish instead!

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    • pdubs2907

      7 years ago

      I think you’re joking, but the PTBNL isn’t the Cubs choice (I mean it’s going to be from a group not including vets).

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      • TaylorLH

        7 years ago

        Either 2018 draft picks who can’t be traded or they didnt have the scouting and wanted time to choose from 2 or more. I imagine Lacy isn’t the highest profile prospect on the move but it doesn’t seem anyone too big is going anywhere

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      • Byron J Kelley

        7 years ago

        I’m kind of joking, but honestly, I look at Chatwood and Darvish both as busts. But who knows, maybe having Hamels around will rub off on Chatwood, but right now I’d like to see him sent to the minors to get his act together, and shelve Darvish completely until next year.

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  51. 66TheNumberOfTheBest

    7 years ago

    Will they be resigning John Lackey, as well?

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    • DockEllisDee

      7 years ago

      you may be joking but another injury to a SP and it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they signed him

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  52. its_happening

    7 years ago

    Cubs with a win here regardless; Rangers eat up a lot of salary, Cubs give up very little. If Hamels performs it’s a big win.

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    • oz10

      7 years ago

      And Rangers win as well. Texas gets something for a sunk cost and a little salary relief. And to be clear by salary relief I mean that by keeping cole it would cost the Rangers $14 million to keep and cut him and he is doing us no good as wins don’t matter this year so by shipping him out and still paying 6-8 million we are still saving the difference as they are not gonna win anything.

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  53. hyraxwithaflamethrower

    7 years ago

    Cubs gave up very little for a guy who’s done well this year when he’s not in Arlington. I think this affects their title odds a little more than getting Happ affects the Yankees’ chances since the Cubs’ back of the rotation has struggled so much this year. They even got the Rangers to pay a good chunk of what he’s owed.

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    • xabial

      7 years ago

      In my opinion, the PTBNL makes or breaks this trade. Great news, Rangers’ fans. This trade is judgement-free for up to six months. Better be a good PTBNL for the Cubs to be paying $4M TOTAL.

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      • ray_derek

        7 years ago

        can’t a trade be good for both sides? no one needs to “win” a trade.

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        • oz10

          7 years ago

          Not in this day of the internet, somebody must be declared a winner. (sarc)

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        • hyraxwithaflamethrower

          7 years ago

          Ray, it can work out well for the Rangers, but that’s a lot more up in the air because they’re receiving prospects. It’s always possible this ends up as one of the most lopsided trades of the decade in the Rangers’ favor, but from where we are now, I think the Rangers gave up too much in terms of paying down Hamels’ salary to really make this a true win-win.

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        • ray_derek

          7 years ago

          Either way, I thank them for taking Eddie Butler.

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        • oz10

          7 years ago

          Sunk season so we can leave him in the majors and hope he figures something out. Worthy gamble.

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  54. mack22 2

    7 years ago

    ERA of .472? Wow. That wouldn’t be my choice

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    • Mikel Grady

      7 years ago

      Mack22, Cubs choice was degrom for Bote but Mets said no. What would your choice be and players involved? You have to like Hamels over Chatwood? Theo was hoping darvish was a 10+ game winner and Chatwood going 6 innings every outing. We needed someone . Degrom would be a game changer but will Mets trade him and what cost?

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      • oz10

        7 years ago

        You don’t give out that contract to someone you hopes can win 10 games, that kind of contract goes to someone you know can win 15 games. One of the few blunders by Theo. Otherwise he has been pretty good.

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        • JKB 2

          7 years ago

          Darvish is in first year of 6 year max deal. But its a blunder already you claim? How do you know how the postseason goes with Darvish and the potential next 5 years?

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        • oz10

          7 years ago

          Because he has been bad for the last two years. Watching him in Texas he was never a great pitcher. He had moments but he was a mentally weak. has the talent but not the fortitude.

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        • ab3b29

          7 years ago

          We know how Darvish performs in the postseason. Not pretty.

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        • anthony1-13

          7 years ago

          You’re right it wasn’t pretty.. when he was kicking the cubs ass

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      • ncaachampillini

        7 years ago

        Where did you hear DeGrom for Bote? Haven’t heard that. I’m a very realistic Cubs fan that knows that would never get it done. I would however be perfectly fine with Bote, Happ and Montgomery and even a minor leaguer for DeGrom. Feel like that’s more realistic. I know with Bryant hurting it’d be risky but man I feel like a lock down ace like that and the Cubs would jump back in front of Dodgers to become NL favorites.

        Prob won’t happen though. This is a god year to go all out again since Nats are struggling.

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        • anthony1-13

          7 years ago

          You guys can’t be serious.. it would take a hell of a lot more than that.. Bote really?! Who do you think this guy is Nolan Arenado lol

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    • ray_derek

      7 years ago

      .472 would be towards the best in the league, you should do a bit of research on decimal points, percentages and averages.

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  55. Stuemke17

    7 years ago

    100% okay with this swap. Cubs needed a starter and they got the best available option that didn’t require an arm and a leg to acquire. This is reminiscent of the trade for Dan Haren in 2015. Almost zero risk given Chatwood’s struggles and Darvish being out, plus he’s a seasoned veteran with loads of postseason experience. A+ move. Best of luck to Lacy in Texas.

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  56. Cubbie Steve

    7 years ago

    “Hamels has cleaned out his locker and left the team, so he’s seemingly already on his way to join the Cubs.”

    That sounds like “honey, we need to talk. I want a di—“ *loaded up car peels out of the driveway*—“vorce.”

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  57. frank_costanza

    7 years ago

    Hamles track record and road numbers suggest to me there’s reason to believe he’ll turn it around. As a lifelong phillies fan I think Cubs fans are going to be really happy with the pitcher get.

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    • raef715

      7 years ago

      considering they basically gave up nothing, it’s a no brainer. I’m sure he’ll do at least somewhat better in the NL and in a pennant race.

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  58. ray_derek

    7 years ago

    Even better for Chicago that they were able to include Eddie Butler.

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  59. Francys01

    7 years ago

    The Rangers were tricked in this trade. I am a fan of the Rangers but this trade does not make sense to me. Okay Hamels has struggled specially at home but basically they acquired one prospect that needs many years to develop to be able to pitch in the majors. Butler has struggled ever since he was in the Rockies. Jon Daniels, this trade is bad at least he should have acquired two or three prospects.

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    • justinept

      7 years ago

      Butler has been fine since he left Coors. He’s not a world beater, but he was steady for the Cubs last year before missing most of this season.

      You wanted 2-3 prospects? What do you base that on? This isn’t Hamels from 2011 or even 2015. This is a league average pitcher at best. The return he brought back was similar to the Happ deal – a big league bench/bullpen piece and a fringy prospect.

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    • oz10

      7 years ago

      As a Rangers fan I am fine with this. Our season is done so whether Cole is here or not doesn’t matter. So we are basically paying for him for this season but now we found somebody to take a bad pitcher and give us a little salary relief. We also get a pitcher who can eat some innings and has talent but has struggled and hope he can find something along with another pitcher to add to the lower minors to develop as we will need arms in about 3 years when this starts turning around. There are some good pitching prospects coming through the Rangers system but everybody is still 2 years away. And let’s look at the market, who would give more than what we got for Hamels?

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    • TaylorLH

      7 years ago

      Im not as upset considering Butler has a known floor that is at least a controlled arm through 3.5 seasons. With some luck, he can become a reasonable starter.

      The PTBNL is also a swing. It could be 2018 draft picks that can’t be traded yet. It also could be a better prospect than Lacy. Lacy himself seems like an underrated guy based on stats.

      Cole Hamels was a highly paid 4th Starter at this point. Not the worst deal from a TEX standpoint.

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      • Daniel Youngblood

        7 years ago

        I’m interested to see who the PTBNL is also. This trade can’t be judged fairly until that’s released.

        Pedro Gonzalez, the PTBNL in the Lucroy trade last year, is currently Texas’ 17th ranked prospect. If the Rangers can nab a similar caliber player here, I think you’d have to call this trade a moderate success both ways.

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  60. tsc32

    7 years ago

    Butler, Lacy and a PTBNL. Thanks for bombing your trade value Hamels.

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  61. Djones246890

    7 years ago

    This was a brilliant move that only cost Theo a bag of baseballs. It’s not exactly easy to get motivated to pitch on a terrible team, in a ballpark that’s basically a launching pad, for hitters.

    His road numbers look great, he always pitched well at Wrigley, he’s a seasoned veteran, a proven winner, and has tons of playoff experience.

    A++++

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    • madmanTX

      7 years ago

      Bet you did the same self-congratulating for Darvish too. How’s that working out for you?

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      • Djones246890

        7 years ago

        I actually didn’t, because it’s a completely different scenario and circumstance.

        Theo basically picked up Hamels in exchange for a bag of balls, and a pair of spikes.

        Hamels’ era is half, once he gets out of hitter-friendly Arlington ballpark. He also has playoff/World Series experience, has consistently performed well in Wrigley, and can serve as a mentor to some of the younger pitchers.

        So, like I said…..brilliant move. Gave up basically nothing and received all of the aforementioned, while the Yankees just extremely overpaid for J.A. Happ.

        P.S. There’s nothing Presidents and GM’s can do about injuries. They aren’t Nostradamus.

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  62. Breezy

    7 years ago

    I sure hope the offers from Atlanta and Philly were awful for Texas to accept this trade. Just the other day the price for Hamels was said to be incredibly high. 24 hours later they essentially paid Chicago to take him.

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  63. Byron J Kelley

    7 years ago

    Eddie Butler??? Didn’t see that one coming!

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    • GarryHarris

      7 years ago

      The Rangers got nothing. The Cubs offered Jon Daniels a job when he gets canned.

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      • Djones246890

        7 years ago

        Agreed.

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  64. AJPGotThat2020Vision

    7 years ago

    Ah Hamels. The poor man’s Clayton Richard

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    • anthony1-13

      7 years ago

      Stupidity at its finest

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  65. hurricanewar23

    7 years ago

    Hamels at best is. 3-4 starting pitcher. Plus he has been awful lately. And along with a big contract. Rangers knew they would have to eat some money so they can get something back.

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  66. ThatBallwasBryzzoed

    7 years ago

    Why are the rangers getting a major league player back? That makes no sense. Glad its not happ or Russell

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    • CubsRebsSaints

      7 years ago

      He’s only 27. Can start in Hamels’ place. And still has some upside.

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  67. CubsRebsSaints

    7 years ago

    I like this move. It will be a good move. I wish the Cubs could bring in Rivera again, or someone to help with Contreras and Caratini’s pitch framing. It’s THE VERY WORST in all of baseball. Caratini looks like an 8 year old at times. They take strikes and turn them into balls. This is a much bigger problem than most think. You put Yadi on the Cubs and they are clear NL favorites. You take Yadi off the cards, and insert the worst pitch framing on their club, and they are 10 games under.

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