The Diamondbacks are “aggressively shopping” righty Zack Greinke, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today (via Twitter). With $95.5MM of salary still due over the next three years, he’s an expensive option. But the deal is at least cabined in length, and the Snakes have a good shot at getting out from under most of it. (Alternatively, the club might be able to pay down a larger portion and recoup some talent in a swap — or go in the other direction and include additional talent to make the whole contract go away.) It’s still largely unclear how things will shake out, but the fact that the Arizona organization is looking for a taker certainly makes a trade seem quite plausible.
Here’s the latest chatter on the rest of the market:
- It is a testament to veteran backstop Kurt Suzuki that he has been re-signed, re-acquired, or extended by three of the four organizations he has played for. One of those, the Athletics, could have designs on a third stint. Per Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle, there has already been some discussion between the Oakland club and the 35-year-old free agent. Suzuki has never been more productive at the plate than he was over the past two years with the Braves, when he turned in a cumulative .276/.341/.485 slash with 31 home runs in 697 plate appearances. Slusser also notes that reliever Shawn Kelley remains a possibility to return, with four other teams also inquiring about securing his services.
- Nathan Eovaldi’s health is a major factor in his free agency. Though he’s only 28 years of age, the righty has undergone a pair of Tommy John surgeries and required another elbow procedure before making it back to the mound in 2018. Of course, the results were quite promising, and he has now also received a strong endorsement from his surgeon today, as Evan Drellich of NBC Sports Boston reports. Dr. Christopher Ahmad says that, after conducting an extensive examination, he “would consider [Eovaldi] in the same category of somebody who has a healthy arm.” While any signing team will want to take a look for itself, it’s obviously quite a notable opinion to receive at the outset of free agency.
- The Reds would surely love to land Eovaldi or another higher-end arm, though it’s still questionable whether they’ll dabble in that end of the market. What is clear, president of baseball operations Dick Williams said in a radio interview, is that the club hopes to find a pair of new pitchers — likely starters (via Bobby Nightengale of the Cincinnati Enquirer). Getting the right arms won’t just mean waiting to see what shakes loose at a cheap price, says Williams. Rather, the club intends “to be in front of these agents and these other teams talking more aggressively.” Sure enough, Jon Heyman of Fancred says the Reds have engaged with the Mariners (James Paxton), Indians (Corey Kluber, Carlos Carrasco), and Yankees (Sonny Gray). With the Cinci org said to be hesitant to move its best assets, getting the desired arms could mean exploring some creative trades. That said, Williams shot down recent chatter surrounding purported Padres interest in star Reds third baseman Eugenio Suarez. “Just to sort of nip that in the bud, I’ll tell you that rumor is unfounded,” said Williams.
- It’s also clear that the Nationals are on the lookout for starters, though here also it’s hard to know just where the team may focus. As I discussed recently in setting forth the team’s outlook for the 2018-19 offseason, there are an abundance of possibilities at this point. Chelsea Janes of the Washington Post provides some insight into the club’s thinking while ticking through the options. She notes that the Nats “think highly” of free agent Dallas Keuchel — the match we predicted when we broke down our Top 50 Free Agents. That’s not to say, of course, that he’s a uniquely clear fit in D.C. As Janes explains, the organization still seems likely to canvass the market, though it seems reasonable to anticipate that it’ll come away with at least one significant new hurler.
- Staying in the division, it’s worth looking back at a post we missed at the time. Jim Salisbury of NBC Sports Philadelphia reported recently that the Phillies are quite likely to deal away third baseman Maikel Franco. Indeed, it seems there’s a reasonable match already under contemplation with the Padres. Of course as noted above, the Friars clearly are interested in looking around the rest of the market before pulling the trigger on a deal for Franco. The Phils are also said to be willing to discuss Cesar Hernandez, though he seems much less likely to be shipped out. It’ll be interesting to see how everything will unfold in Philadelphia, as the team is known to be chasing some of the biggest names on the market but also has some less consequential moves that it could contemplate pulling off first.
Greinke to the Yankees
Too obvious for both teams. Dbacks trade Greinke to Yankees for Ellsbury and prospects
Seems do-able only if DBacks are willing to eat a huge if not all of Ellsbury remaining contract
Only if the prospects are top level. While Grienke is expensive he is so consistent and those early allegations that he couldn’t pitch in a big market were erased when he was in LA.
Your not getting top prospects for a 35yo. Maybe Chance Adams and another top ten pitcher plus a Thairo Estrada. But top Prospects?
Above a 3.5 era only once since 2011 and tossed 3.2 ball last year guess you don’t know price of a solid number 1/ number 2
yeah people forgot how he responds to big market teams…so yes ship to the yanks…ask sonny they do well with names
If they were going to trade top prospects they could send them to Cleveland for Kluber who has half the salary of Greinke.
The Mariners still owe Ellsbury 30mil from the original contract and the Cubs also still owe 20% of the deal. If they can trade Kris Bryant for Andujar, Gleyber, Clint Frazier, Sonny Gray, and Justus Sheffield, then they might be able to swap him for Milton Bradley.
Cleveland is not chasing prospects, they want players that will contribute today.
What? Is there a slow gas leak in your house? Literally none of this is true or even makes any sense whatsoever
This looks like a 4 year old pick player names and teams out of a hat and tried to put together a sentence. At least attempt to sound like a competent person….
Grienke has a 15 team no trade list. He more than likely will want compensation for waving his trade rights. Trades are never as easy as we tend to propose them here.
“LA is not NY”
– Sonny Gray
forget age. His consistency suggests he’s still a top starter.
Gray to dodgers Honeycutt would turn his career around
Big difference though between pitching in LA vs NY. Media is way tougher, ballpark is harder to pitch in the hitter park that is Yankee stadium. Not to mention moving from the NL to the AL which always increases the era significantly.
Keep in mind that Greinke has 15 teams on his no-trade list. I would imagine the Yankees are on that list.
Nobody wants Ellsbury, you guys are stuck with him. He has no value stop the Ellsbury, Gray, Bird trade proposals for top tier players.
It’s called a bad contract swap and they are done quite frequently as of late. Nobody wanted Adrian Gonzalez last year yet he still got traded. While it is unlikely Ellsbury gets traded, it is still possible even with no value.
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Are you not considering the fact that around 80% of Ellsbury’s salary this year was covered by insurance due to injury? With Ellsbury’s series of debilitating injuries the receiving team could potentially get significant salary relief.
Yankees, in my opinion, aren’t trading Bird. They desperately need his lefty bat in that lineup. Voit is going to come back down to Earth and Bird is also better defensively.
Bird’s numbers should also improve if, and when, they stop allowing an infielder to play short RF. I would, however, like to see him stop trying to pull everything. He – and every other player in baseball – are a lot more effective when using the entire field.
Jacoby Ellsbury probably has less trade value than Robinson Cano.
Cano has posted 20.7 fWAR, valued at $163.7 million, in the first five years of his 10-year, $240 million contract with Seattle. Cano posted 2.9 fWAR, valued at $23.6 million, in only 80 games this year.
Steamer projects Cano to earn his 2019 salary of $24 million with 3.0 fWAR in 149 games.
On the other hand Jacoby Ellsbury has posted only 4.4 fWAR, valued at $34.9 million, over the past four seasons. Steamer projects Ellsbury with a 2019 WAR of 0.0 in 24 games.
Cano and Ellsbury may well fall short of earning the remaining money on their respective contracts but Cano may come closer to his $120 million than Ellsbury will come to his $47+ million. To date Cano has aged far better than Ellsbury and Seattle fans can only hope that Cano ages as well as David Ortiz did.
At least Cano and Zack Greinke are still producing.
c1234, No one wants Dexter Fowler…
Wow, crazy, found another OF, not Heyward has — less trade value — plays for your team.
At least when Ellsbury plays… he produces…
Jacoby Ellsbury has not produced more than 1.7 fWAR in a season since 2014.
Jason Heyward posted 2.0 fWAR this year.
Dexter Fowler is a season removed from a 2.5 fWAR season.
Salary relief means nothing to the yanks. He still counts agains the luxury cap tax.
Enough with the war. Tired of all this saebermetric bs.
Bad contract swaps usually involve players with some value that doesn’t match their salary, Gonzalez, and Fowler,had some value, Ellsbury has none right now. Ellsbury needs to play at least a half season with some level of production, and prove he’s able to stay on the field. Until then he has zero value and no one is trading for him.
He can block a trade to 15 teams and NY would probably be one of them. I believe he has previously stated that he didn’t want to pitch in NY. Greinke is a strange dude. I don’t believe he’s going to NY.
But in this case Ellsbury hasn’t even played this year and hasn’t had a really good season since 2013. No teams wants him I don’t even care about a bad contract swap.
Agreed!! he is a head case,
we don’t need anymore. cant pitch in ny weirdos
Hey Man….get off the Ellsbury trade comments already…..do you know what your talking about…think not!
Hate to break it to ya,Not a fit for the NY or Greinke.
As a yankee fan i’d make this deal. The upside of greinke including him being the next in line of folks who can’t handle NY still outweighs els utility to the team. Let’s be honest money isn’t an issue for the Yanks so its just one extra year of risk.
I would not however throw the Dbacks much in the way of prospects. they unlike the yanks need every penny and saving them 50 mil should be plenty.
I have no doubt though that cash will screw this up.
I can see the Reds and Yankees being good trade partners. 1 year left of Scooter G and 2 years left Igleasis could being back some young SP’s from the yanks. Yanks have the need for Scooter, with Didi out. Slide Gleyber to short. Igleasis one of the best young arms in the league. Who says no to that?
I dont know. His surgeon sounds biased, using as reference. But if Eovaldi’s got one thing for him (other than playoffs) believe he’s youngest SP, 28 is even younger than Corbin. Yes, Corbin is still in a different category as the top FA SP. (guessing 90% of you will predict him to NYY in FA contest)
Do you know who Dr. Ahmed is? He is “a member of the Major League Baseball Team Physicians Association” who “specializes in knee ACL, meniscus and cartilage injuries, shoulder instability and labral tears, rotator cuff pathology, Tommy John surgery and advanced arthroscopic surgical techniques for sports-related injuries of the knee, shoulder and elbow..” Oh and he also happens to be Head Team Physician of the New York Yankees.
Yea I don’t think he is going to ruin his reputation over it…I think he is being objective
Hey look it’s Xablal with another stupid comment.
Would you honestly expect anything less?
At this point, I look forward to it. I am waiting for the obscure post about some Korean team signing Cory Snyder Jr. and Xablal giving his 10 cents and how he predicted it first.
He is clearly a moron who cant resist.
Unless the Reds think they can actually Extend Paxton (keep in mind, Boras) then they really shouldn’t trade for him. I’d be surprised if they were competitive in the next two seasons.
Agreed but perhaps the Reds look at him as a temporary building block. His cost should not in my view be great despite the chatter due to his injury history.
Take a look at what they have offensively now, plus what they have coming up through the pipeline.
Boras represents a ton of players, I’m not really sure why everyone has this SCARY view of him. Literally every front office has negotiated with him, so while he’s great for the players, the GMs know what they’re dealing with.
Also, the Reds have a good lineup an decent bullpen. If they had even average starters they would’ve been a fringe contender last year. Good pitching puts them as a legitimate playoff threat.
Why are you laughing? He literally stated facts.
Grienke to Atlanta actually makes more sense they have more prospects – think Pache would be top of list and Dbacks carry bigger chunk of Grinks contract because of the haul they could get….
Heard a MLB Network analyst predict Dbacks can also include Bradley in a blockbuster deal. Would love to see that happen.
Throw in Goldschmidt and make that a big blockbuster.
Andujar would probably have to be involved. Then the Yanks sign Machado. Wow imagine
Andujar in a deal for Grienke????? Lol wtf would the Yanks even consider that. Grienke is 35yo and even if they take back Elsbury they still wouldn’t add Andujar!
Well they wouldn’t ask for your permission either way.
*If Goldy was involved*
Why would Atlanta want Goldschmidt? They have one of the few first basemen in the league arguably better than him. Or at the very least they are close enough that it wouldn’t be a real upgrade.
Freddie GFreeman is a terrific player, but there’s no way he’s “arguably” better than Goldschmidt. But he’s obviously so good that there’s no need for an upgrade at first in Atlanta – they have much more pressing needs.
You can make the argument that Freeman is better than Goldy – although it is very close. Last 3 yrs Freeman WAR 6.5/4.5/6.1 to Goldys 4.7 / 5.8 / 5.4 ( although if you go back 4 yrs goldy crushed him that year). Goldy is more durable but Freeman is 2 yrs younger – no wrong answer but to say there’s no way he’s arguably better is incorrect
Fair enough; I didn’t realize how close they were in WAR, which is probably a function of ballpark effects. Regardless, no real reason for Atlanta to seek an “upgrade” at first.
Actually a good point, I meant to post this comment to the discussion about the Yankees. Either way I smell a blockbuster including Grienke, Bradley, and Goldschmidt going somewhere and bringing back a haul for Arizona. I will rate that as likely, since there’s no reason to hang onto any of them in the rebuilding situation that Arizona is clearly signaling by shopping Grienke aggressively.
No way the Braves move Pache for Greinke. You are looking more like Allard or Wilson. Remember the Dbacks wanna move that salary if they want Pache they will have to eat the whole contract.
hahahaha you way way way over value Pache….Gohara, Allard, Pache, Waters, Demeritte, and Wilson should all be available for trade….Let them take Teheran back and eat his 11.5 mill owed this year… give Battery Park another year to grow and kick in more revenues into Braves Baseball…
Rookies – Pache isn’t Acuna – Greinke has a lot left in the tank and Braves could use his veteran presence around those kids.
honestly the Braves could prolly talk the Dbacks into Greinke minus 90% of his salary, plus their top 2 prospects for Julio teheran and a bag of peanuts
Dave Stewart is gone
Not the same front office that traded Dansby, Ender, and Touki. Nice try though. They aren’t that dumb anymore
As a Sox fan, I think I like the idea of Greinke to the Yankmees! As for Eovaldi, it is funny we haven’t heard anything much about a reunion. I bet he either would love to go back to New York, or ain’t goin back on a bet.
Spitball, the Yankees sometimes swoop in without warning. The questions I have is who is looked at within the industry higher, Devers or Andujar and does either project as a MLB third baseman five years from now? Wade Boggs was horrendous in the beginning and both are so young. I would still love to see Boston sign Adrien Beltre and trade Nunez. You lose versatility but Beltre would be the best player coach Devers could have.
Andujar. Look, don’t know much about Devers, but, despite what the defensive metrics tell you, Andujar has a cannon for an arm.
There’s room for improvement in other areas. Shall we say, 3B version of a “Early NYY Gregorius”? 😉
Not even close bro!
Correct, you don’t much about Devers.
X, why would you compare Andujar to Didi?
Yeh, and you Sox fans see everything through red colored glasses.
If Grienke is on the block, Goldschmidt can’t be far behind. Package those two together and the D’backs could be looking at a reasonable prospect haul even if they don’t pay Grienke’s contract down much. Add that to the pair of compensation picks and they might be in fair shape again in three years or so.
Andujar would have to get involved. Could possibly throw in Bird or Voit. Would like to see that
You are cray cray
Andujar is not a God like third basemen, his defense is questionable. He probably will convert in 4-5 years. One year of Goldschmidt (Best 1st baseman in baseball) + 3 years of Grienke + $30M. How would you not ask for Andujar??
Luke Voit? He’s what, 28 years old and has been good for exactly 130 MLB at-bats? I don’t know if there’s any real value there.
Luke Voit is owed 78.5 million from a previous contract with a car wash company that was owned by Yugoslavian high school principals from Uganda.
Greinke is on the block so that they can afford to give Goldy an extension. At this point, they have to choose one or the other. They can’t afford both.
I guess we all have insomnia, lol
I DON’T think Greinke really wants to pitch in NY. Too big a city for him, he would be another Gray!
Finally someone said it. Didn’t want to say it, cuz feeling really hated here lately lol, but you took the words right out my mouth: thinking “$30M version of Sonny Gray.”! Look into Greinke’s makeup. He’s an ace, and has all the physical tools. That’s not the part we’re worried about..
Yes X exactly!
DON’T feel too bad, we all get
picked on. especially if we say the NY word!
“NY” is 2 words…
Just wanted to be a jerk. Haha Don’t mind me.
Green, we are not even thinking about you, let alone not minded you, lol, SO start
spreading that news!!
I like insomnia.
I seem to remember Grienke pitching really well in another pretty big city. Which one was that now? Hmmm.
Agree BlueSkyLA although the NE media is far different than LA’s.
Yes I know fans in the NE think they are special, there’s no place like New York or Boston, etc, etc. I am pointing out how that’s just plain silly.
No one thinks they’re special, and eviscerating NE media, pointed out, is nothing be proud of.
Disagree LA. Did you see the way they treated David Price the 217M pitcher? (When wasn’t being clutch in playoffs, clinching ALCS, WS)
Remember when he fought with Eckersley on plane… And the fortnite debacle. How it was all blown out of proportion… Now that he’s winning who cares. Point being, Boston media would eat Greinke alive, as would NY media.
My point being BSLA, media markets of BOS and NY (not to mention AL East division) are much tougher than LAD in the NL West. Greinke would be a poor fit for NYY/BoSox and that’s assuming, you make contract work and Dbacks are satisfied w/ the compensation
They aren’t playing for the media, they are playing for the team, and the fans. Did you seen how the fans treated Dodger players who performed badly in the clutch in the postseason? Probably not. Booing the home team has become more and more common in Dodger Stadium in recent years. I’m not saying it’s a good thing that fans are expressing their displeasure that way, but it’s definitely a thing. The sports reporters for the local media haven’t exactly been kind, either (just because those stories rarely get reported here does not mean they don’t get written). So my point is, the environments are less different than you might imagine, only the impression you might be getting is different, and I think it’s because you see quite a bit less reporting on baseball in this time zone.
Zach Grienke and Chris Owings for Wil Myers, Clayton Richard and Craig Stammen.
Grienke is owed 94 million and the combo of Myers, Richard and Stammen are owed 80 million.
The Padres would be acquiring an Ace and a stop gap option at SS all in one transaction while giving Myers the change of scenery he so needs. All for a 14 million dollar upgrade, if I’m the Padres I would be all over that.
Secondly, trade Yates plus Jankowski for Camargo. Stay away from Suárez (too expensive) in terms of what the Padres would have to give up for him and Franco is a real reach at this point.
Lastly, Sonny Gray for Robbie Erlin, Corey Spangenberg and a minor league flier.
The new lineup/rotation would be:
C- Hedges/Mejia 1B- Hosmer 2B- Luis Urias SS- Owings/G.Garcia/ 3B- Camargo LF- Renfroe CF- Margot/Cordero RF- Franmil Reyes
Wingenter/Maton/Stock or Castillo can close in the shoes of Yates/Stammen.
Would be cool to have Grenkie since hes familiar with pitching in the NL west. Camargo should cost more than Yates and Jankowski.
Agreed. Would probably have to throw in Renfroe
Frankly I don’t think Camargo is available unless the Braves added another 3B.
They have another young 3B waiting in the wings in Austin Riley.
Which is the only reason they would even consider trading Camargo.
Padres could include Villanueva as insurance if need be.
I don’t think Atlanta would deal Camargo for Yates and Jankowski. Don’t get me wrong, both of those two are good players but the only way I would see Camargo moving is as part of the package for a bona fide number one type pitcher.
Erlin will out-perform Gray in 2019 and beyond.
IMO, unless its a complete tear down and rebuild exactly 0 teams would be interested in Erlin, Spangenberg, Janokowski, Richards, Villaneva.
Nobody wants these guys. Maybe only for AAA depth. They only played because we are so bad.
Waitings The Hardest Part
I don’t see Arizona having interest in Richard and stammen if theyre selling. Theyd want prospects.
Padres get Greinke + Owings
Snakes get Wil Myers + Austin Allen + Pedro Avila + Hansel Rodriguez + Brett Kennedy.
Greinke has 3 years left. Snakes save roughly 30 mill to extend goldy.
As a Padre fan, I would make that deal every day of the week and twice on Sunday. This trade would deal some of the spare parts the Padres are trying to figure out what to do with as far as the 40 man is concerned, however I cannot see the DBacks going for it as they would “only” be saving $31M and I am not sure if that would be enough for them to deal Greinke to another NL West team.
LA is a pretty laid back place, and the Dodgers are in the NL West. The biggest part of the shock would be pitching in the AL East!
LA is NOT laid back. Not when you owe Renfroe 38 million from the 4-year extension he signed with Minnesota. Gríenke needs to be let go. He’s too too old to pick up any more saves for the Snakes.
Here we go. Another chance to see all the Braves fans who actually like the idea of trading for a pitcher that is going to turn 35 in the middle of the season that is being paid $34 million a year.
Grenkie,Goldschmidt to Yankees for Sheffield,Acevedo,Sauer and Medina
Throw in Jacoby Ellsbury and Hideki Irabu and maybe the Yankees would be interested in making the deal.
Maikel Franco to San diego for Craig Stammen,Luis Perdomo
greinke has like a 15 team no-trade clause, correct? anyone know the teams he can veto?
He doesn’t. He is owed 4.5 million by the Twins and 2.6 million by the Astros. If the Yankees are willing to pick up his salary and eat a good chunk of Justus Sheffield’s 30 million they could acquire him and trade for Gleyber Torres.
Which alternate universe are you from?
Your gimmick is lame, Get a life
How about Heyward and Chatwood for Greinke?
Just joking guys lol.
Greinke and Goldy for Fowler, Hicks, Reyes?????
Way too much to give up for St. Louis
Fowler’s salary would be shed. Yes, 2 controllable young stud(?) pitchers, but Reyes is oft injured, which makes him a big gamble? right?
I just thought of the potential lineup with Goldschmidt and Harper added for 2019.
Reyes really doesn’t have the value today he had even 8 months ago coming off TJ. Cards would be selling low on a 22 year old potential future ace. Weaver would be a better fit on both sides. Swapping those bad contracts would be ideal, and throw in Jose Martinez/Gyorko, I don’t think anyone says no
Weaver, hicks/Hudson, fowler, Martinez/Gyorko for Greinke/goldy…solid deal for both teams
I think st.louis and Arizona pair up well for a trade. Just sending Fowler and maybe a prospect for Greinke would be ideal. I mean you would be basically getting 3 years of Greinke for 50 mil. Not the worst. Also freeing up right field for a free agent or in house candidate.if goldy for more prospects could be worked in, even better. Love to have goldy, and him signed to an extension. One of the new faces of the franchise.
Greinke will be a Brave it makes to much sense. Perfect fit.
Greinke and Bradley for Allard and Wilson with Atl taking the full contract.
The Reds are going to have to overpay FA starters to go to Cincy and pitch in that band box. Think Mike Hampton signing with the Rockies.
Anthony L Williams
Your comment makes no sense. Johnny Cueto had no trouble winning 20 games in Cincinnati. This year Matt Harvey did far better in Cincinnati than he did at Citi Field. Professionals that pitch for a living have a little smarter view of things than folks on the sideline who think they know anything just because they’re aware of some piece of ball park trivia..
GABP is less of an offensive park than everyone thinks. Homers go up but everything else is depressed. When the Reds were contending in 10-14 it actually tilted slightly towards pitching, not offense. May have to overpay to entice someone to go to a team whose been in the cellar for several years but Washington, Yankees, Phillies don’t have problems getting guys to sign and those stadia are on par with GABP
This comment wins because it’s Truth, but also because the proper plural for “stadium” was used.
Everything else is suppressed at GABP?
Home Runs : 1st in MLB
Hits: 10th in MLB and 4th in NL
Doubles: 13th in MLB and 6th in NL
Triples: 5th in MLB and 4th in NL
Walks: 2nd in MLB and 2nd in NL
Agents and players look hard at ballpark factors when they face free agency. Free agent pitchers would absolutely look elsewhere before thinking GABP.
Washington, Yankees and Philly have more incentives to attract free agents than Cincy does.
How do walks have anything to do with the park? And you’re looking at one season, try looking at a larger sample size. You specifically said the ballpark is a reason they’ll have to overpay. No, them having a crappy team will be why they may need to go above. Players WANT to win, and WANT to perform well. End of the day the most important thing is financial security and comfort in a situation.
Walks are part of the offense, no? You said “but everything else is depressed”, though suppressed is the correct word, so “everything” includes walks.
Yes, i looked at just 1 season’s stats…the most pertinent year, 2018. The Reds actually have a good offense and their defense is also better than league average. So the areas that need improvement, the most, are the rotation and pen. Which leads us back to the Reds having to overpay for starters because it is an offense heavy ballpark. I did add in that it’s not exactly a prime destination, like the 3 cities you mentioned above. That also sways players and agents. But not as much as the main facility, the ballpark, when it comes to accumulating personal stats.
The ballpark affects walks?
Batters eye, winds, grass height, fan signs, okay, I can be convinced.
I think what you’re missing is the fact that the rotation in 18 was pure garbage. Look at the numbers in 11, 12 or 13 when the Reds had one of the best staffs in the MLB. In 2012 they were tied for 3rd in ERA, 2nd in W’s, # 1 in saves, Tied for 1st in CG’s, Tied for 7th in shut outs, 4th in Quality starts, but yes they were 13 in homers. But all that should tell you that good pitchers can pitch in any ball park, and bad pitcher can’t pitch anywhere.
Anthony L Williams
“The Reds would surely love to land … another higher-end arm”. So why don’t they off their own Matt Harvey the same money they’re talking about offering others. They aren’t serious.
I think Texas would be a good landing spot for Greinke. Perhaps a flip involving Choo?
Choo had one of his most productive years with Texas last season. While he isn’t the same caliber defensive player he once was, he definitely isn’t a liability out there and provides excellent OBP.
Texas is in desperate need of pitching. ZG might not be the same ace he was back in his early days, but he could still be an ace; at the very least, a #1, especially on the Rangers. Texas won’t contend next year, but they’ll arguably be more competitive as their younger players continue to develop. Come 2020 they’ll have a new ballpark, and if everyone stays healthy, a contending team.
Only problem is that Arizona has no need for a corner OFer. They have Peralta (who just won a silver slugger) and Souza. The only hole in their OF is in center IF Pollock leaves.
Does anyone think Harper is going to the Cardinals
I think it’s a possibility but not for 400m+
10/$350 but only if additional moves are made. Cardinals have learned that FA aren’t coming to StL for the history anymore, so they have to shore up the roster before making a big splash. Figure out 3b, move Fowler, and pick up a couple bullpen arms/Kimbrel, and I think Harper likes the team a lot more
I picked him going to cards in fa contest. I’m torn between him going back to wash on a 1 year deal, or going to someone unexpected like cards or texas
I hope so
I just keep thinking Phillies, it is just stuck in my gut, but who knows where they all are going??
IT’S like the biggest fire sale I have seen in a long time
Greinke and Escobar to the Twins for whatever it takes to get it done.
So if anyone mentions Grienke to the Yankees and Arizona takes back 47 million of Elsbury immediately people on here state Andujar must be in that deal. Your not getting an Andujar,Sheffield,Torres or any teams top prospects for a 35 yo pitcher who doesn’t throw 90mph anymore and regardless of what bad contract goes the other way is still owed 35 million per year.
You will get prospects back but not elite prospects. Let’s be honest here.
Agreed. Even if Greinke and Ellsbury both waives their no trade clauses, the Yanks would still be taking on almost 60 mil. That deal wouldn’t get the Dbacks Andujar. I think it would most likely net something like Holder, German, and one of Abreu or Acevedo.
Yanks are getting insurance money on Ellsbury so he is not costing the yanks as much as most people think. So why would they want Greinke and give up Andujar too?
I said they would not get Andujar. Yes I agree about the insurance,but the insurance stops when he reports healthy. Also even with insurance we still counts toward the tax limits. If Cashman can find a way to redirect that contract from the outfield and into the rotation then I think he would. Greinke might be the only way to accomplish that.
Example: signing Corbin would cost about $25 mil. Ellsbury rotting away as a fifth OF is another $21 mil. That’s 46 Mil for only one usable player.
If they found away to deal Ellsbury in a package for Greinke and sign Corbin then it would be $25 mil Corbin and $35 mil Greinke. Now it $60 mil for two starters. In essence it would only cost the Yanks $14 mil more to have Greinke alongside Corbin.
Grenkie + $15m for Jamahi Jones. With his NT clause I doubt he goes to the Yanks/Sox/Phils ect. He’s expressed his social anxiety/aversion to large markets ad nauseam so a less demanding media seems to be a better fit. Come back to Anaheim dude, it worked once and (in hindsight) shouldn’t have ended.
The Padres should pass on Franco…he hit 20 plus homers in a fishbowl in Philly. Might not translate to just as many or more in a pitchers ballpark. And the OBP ain’t smellin good either. Sorry… I know he’s young and controllable and all. But at some point, they gotta get ahold of a difference maker for a premium position, not named Hosmer, that knows something about the post season. And getting Myers money off the books is one way to make way for another veteran bat…but I really don’t see that happening either. Oh, well..
It baffles me that people think Franco would be a good fit for the Padres in that stadium. They need to be getting high-OBP guys and not focus so much on power-only types. I think the only way they move Myers is a swap of bad contracts, so they might be stuck with him if they can’t find a taker.
Surprised nobody is suggesting the Brewers get Greinke again. Brewers can do something like Santana and Corbin Byrnes unless they value him too much
dunno about Burns……he’s going to be very, very good……maybe Santana, Ercerg, and a couple of lottery tickets…..he’d put the Brewers over the hump…..
Someone will have to be a centerpiece, I threw in Santana because he’s in limbo in Milwaukee. Yes he had a good 17, but I wouldn’t want him as a centerpiece to a trade for my ace. All hypothetically obviously.
12M of ZG’s is deferred every year until 2022, making his cost 20M/year. If the D-Backs pick up the deferrals, they can get a TON for him. Just about every contender-wannabe can use him; he’s still a very good starter. Put him on the Mets, e.g….it would be a frightening rotation, and they’d be in the hunt, even with that mish-mash lineup. Philly can afford the 20M and still sign Manny or Bryce. He’d front a good young Braves rotation. And that’s just the NL East.
This guy’s pretty good, and apparently over his previous issues. He’s a good bet to be very effective at least 2 of the next 3 years. He’s no kid, but has adjusted to ageing well.
AZ pick up all of the deferred money and the $2MM trade bonus and in deed it would be a good deal for several teams, but doubt it will be a huge return. Angels might even be in play if AZ would take back Kole Calhoun and a pitcher like Tyler Skaggs. Calhoun would likely hit 30+ home runs in AZ and be a plus defender in RF.
Texas just made a smart move, signing Greinke’s personal catcher, Jeff Mathis, to a 2 year contract. That makes Texas the odds on favorite to trade for Greinke.
The Dbacks are probably looking to eat about $25M of Greinke’s k for a return of a prospect that ranks around #100. They are looking to add a bit of cheap talent and get most of his $ off the books, not swap contracts and end up w/ a similar financial obligation.
Maybe but any team that takes Grienke for 75 million at 3 years instead of 100 million he is currently owed can easily sign JA Happ for less so what prospects do you think Arizona is getting back? A top 100? I don’t think that’s realistic.
Wondering if Colorado would be willing to trade one year of Nolan Arenado to the Braves for for two cheap years of Julio Teheran MLB top 100 OF prospect Christian Pache and RP Darren O’Day.
No. That’s a terrible offer for Arenado
3 parts to Greinke’s contract each year: $21M salary; $3M signing bonus, paid each May 31; and $11.5/$12/$12M in 2019/2020/2021, deferred to 2022-2026 at $12.5M each of those 5 years, plus a $2M trade bonus.
I think they need to eat $27M (2 years of deferred money $12.5 X 2 = $25M, plus the $2M trade bonus) to get an excellent return of 2 elite prospects and 2 lower level prospects.
So the team that trades for Grienke who is 35yo and barely reaches 90mph has to take his 75 million left and give up 2 elite prospects and two more prospects?
Why not sign JA Happ for less and keep the prospects? I’m confused on the valuation of Grienke. I know his stats are very good in the NL but he’s 35 and lost mph on his fastball.
i Agree people are way over valuing him, but i will say that if they throw in prospects, this could be a good thing for the giants to take on considering that they are under the tax, need help in the rotation and need to stock the farm.
If the Phillies move Hernández does that mean JP Crawford starts?
Would love to see Suzuki back in green and gold. He’d be a nice stopgap for Sean Murphy. I do think Kurt Suzuki deserves a two-year deal, but that shouldn’t scare the A’s off considering he’ll be 36 in 2020 and potentially ready to take the back seat to Murphy.
I feel for Arizona fans. They have the worst luck with their professional sports teams. It would make sense to jettison Greinke’s contract. But they really should lock up Goldy. He should be a D-Back for life.
I feel for Arizona fans too but why would a player entering what is likely the final few productive years of his career want to be locked up on a team that probably won’t be contender during that time? Goldschmidt hasn’t made any noises about wanting to be traded, but few players do, and we have to know he’d breathe a private sigh of relief if he was traded to a contender.
Reds will get Gray, re-sign Harvey AND sign Gio.
Trammell is as good as traded as well as any combination of Stevenson, Finnegan, Mahle will probably not be back. Reds will also part ways with Bailey at the end of spring.
Legit shot at a wild card in 19. Ownership has lost its patience and is shaking up the entire organization from the ground up. New hitting and pitching coaches are also in charge of a system-wide philosophy development. 3rd GM in 3 years and an entirely new coaching staff.
The Reds bats can score runs with anyone. The problem is it doesn’t matter if you score 15 runs a game when your pitching staff gives up 17.
The Reds are highly unlikely to trade Trammell. In addition they arent going to part ways with Senzel, India, or Greene. Im guessing most other prospects are up for grabs. They will still be able to get Gray without given any of those players up.
This guy hasn’t got a clue. Trammel is a future star.
I agree, Those 4, and Santillan will remain with the club. Besides, it doesn’t look like the Reds would need to part with any of their top 6 or 7 prospects to get Gray, They can trade a 8, 9 or 10 level prospect with another top 15 and land him, the other two guys he mentioned are free agents so…. no need to trade away the farm on them either.
I also dont believe they will trade Scooter for Gray as well.
They want to add to the current set up bats and higher end prospects not take away from it.
Phillies should be all over Greinke.