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Yankees Acquire James Paxton

By Jeff Todd | November 19, 2018 at 9:45pm CDT

The Yankees have officially struck a deal to acquire lefty James Paxton from the Mariners, as Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports (Twitter link) first reported. Top pitching prospect Justus Sheffield is coming to Seattle in return, per Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times (Twitter link). Completing the return are outfielder Dom Thompson-Williams and righty Erik Swanson, per Corey Brock of The Athletic (via Twitter).

This is the first major move of the winter market, bringing a top-shelf starter to a New York club that has long been rumored to be seeking to boost its rotation. Having already inked CC Sabathia earlier in the winter, the Yanks now appear unlikely to pursue more than one additional starter, though they’ll still have ample financial flexibility to go after any available pitchers.

Meanwhile, the M’s have now kicked off a winter in which they’ll attempt to walk a tightrope act of staying at least reasonably competitive while enhancing their roster’s long-term outlook. Paxton just turned 30 earlier this month, but he’s down to two more season of arbitration control, so he was one of the team’s more obvious assets to market. Previously, the club sent out regular catcher Mike Zunino, another player with two seasons to go until free agency.

In adding Paxton, the Yankees aren’t just getting a highly talented pitcher. They’re getting one at an eminently reasonable rate of pay. MLBTR and contributor Matt Swartz project Paxton to earn $9.0MM this winter; if he turns in a great year, he’ll get a nice raise on that amount, but that would also mean the club would be more than happy to pay it. Ultimately, these salary levels land a far sight shy of Paxton’s open-market value — at least, that is, assuming he’s at full health.

At his best, Paxton is among the game’s most dominant rotation pieces. Aptly dubbed the Big Maple, the Canadian southpaw has struck out 11 batters per nine over the past two seasons while averaging a reasonable 2.4 BB/9. That’s rare air for a starter. His ERA ballooned a bit this year to 3.76, owing to a few extra long balls, but he posted a 2.98 mark in 2017. Plus, ERA estimators were quite enamored of his output in the just-completed campaign (3.24 FIP, 3.02 xFIP, 2.96 SIERA).

Of course, this all comes with a caveat. Paxton has never thrown a full MLB campaign, with his 28 starts in 2018 representing a career high. He also just barely (by a third of a frame) passed the 160 innings-pitched threshold for the first time last year. Health issues remain an ever-present concern and will perhaps dictate the outcome of this swap from the Yankees’ perspective.

The Yankees will hang their hat on the fact that Paxton mostly avoided significant injury issues in 2018. He missed time after being struck by a comebacker, which was obviously just an instance of poor fortune, after previously being sidelined for lower back inflammation. Those sorts of maladies aren’t the real concern, though. Previously, Paxton has missed time with forearm, shoulder, and biceps problems.

The good news is that Paxton has delivered a pristine version of his power arsenal when he has been able to unleash it. He has averaged 95.9 mph on his four-seamer over each of the past two seasons. And his swinging-strike rate is still on the rise, moving up to a personal-best 14.3% in 2018. If he can carry that forward, even if it’s not quite for a full 32-start campaign, the Yankees will likely be quite pleased with this move.

Turning back to the Mariners side, it’s still a bit difficult to know whether this portends quite a few more moves or whether the club will mostly pick around the edges from this point forward. Certainly, the organization has other marketable assets — as well as some under-water contracts that it might look to unload. It was only two weeks ago that we first learned of the Mariners’ somewhat surprising plans to move some key MLB assets this winter. The shape of the final roster remains very much in doubt, though GM Jerry Dipoto acknowledged today that the club is focused on a 2020-2021 window. (H/t TJ Cotterill of the Tacoma News Tribune, via Twitter).

It’s worth noting that, in both this and the Zunino swap, the M’s have brought back players who figure to represent near-term MLB contributors. If things break right, then, the club could rebound quickly. Here, the key asset is Sheffield, a 22-year-old southpaw who originally went to New York along with Clint Frazier in the swap that send Andrew Miller to the Indians. Scouts and prospect hounds alike have long loved Sheffield for his stuff. But questions remain as to whether he’ll every full command the full arsenal sufficiently to reach his ceiling at the game’s highest level.

It’s not as if Sheffield tends to have difficulties finding the zone. He has averaged only 3.4 walks per nine innings over his five minor-league seasons, which is hardly elite but also isn’t a concerning number, standing alone. But an inability to fully dictate the location of your pitches can obviously tell in other ways, particularly against major-league hitters.

Thus far, Sheffield has managed just fine with his explosive three-pitch mix, which is led by a fastball that occasionally edges into the upper-nineties. In 2018, he turned in a 2.48 ERA in 116 games at the Double-A and (mostly) Triple-A level. He also briefly debuted in the bigs; while things didn’t go well in his three relief outings, that hardly means much for the future.

While he’s not nearly so well-known as Sheffield, Swanson is also a near-term possibility for the Mariners’ active roster. He’ll need to take a 40-man spot from the jump, as he’d otherwise be eligible for the Rule 5 draft. The 25-year-old joined Sheffield at Triple-A this year after a dominant stop at the penultimate level of the minors to begin the season.

After arriving at the Yanks’ top affiliate, Swanson worked to a 3.86 ERA over 72 1/3 innings. He was touched for ten long balls, but otherwise impressed with 9.7 K/9 and 1.7 BB/9. Prospect watchers tend to view Swanson as a back-of-the-rotation possibility, rather than any kind of frontline starter, but that’d certainly be a welcome outcome for the Mariners.

Thompson-Williams, meanwhile, reached the High-A level last year at 23 years of age. He did turn in an impressive output there, slashing .290/.356/.517 and racking up 17 home runs and 17 steals in 375 plate appearances. That represented a big leap forward for the former fifth-round pick, so it remains to be seen whether he can continue to develop as he reaches the high minors.

Photos courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.

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  1. Kenleyfornia74

    7 years ago

    Our first offseason bombshell.

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    • deweybelongsinthehall

      7 years ago

      Wow. Never thought it would involve Sheffield. I thought quantity would have been enough due to Paxton’s injury history. Anyone know his splits? Coming east to smaller ballparks is also a concern. That said, kudos to Cashman for pulling the trigger. Had he waited and Corbin sign elsewhere and the M’s might have held out for more.

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      • xabial

        7 years ago

        Those of you saying Cashman got fleeced.. thought this too, until heard this commentary:

        Cashman traded Miller for Sheffield, Frazier.:. then traded Sheffield for two years of Paxton, and he can re-sign Miller basically getting Frazier icing on cake

        Do believe should have included him in a package for ‘bigger’ name Pitcher? Maybe. But you have to look at it in the grand scheme of things. 2 years Miller got Cash 2 years Paxton + Clint Frazier

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          7 years ago

          Paxton is a proven commodity, and what was traded for him isn’t, simple as that.

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        • jakec77

          7 years ago

          By that logic, if the Yankees traded Gleyber Torres for Paxton it would be a good deal, after all they got Torres for just two months of Chapman, clearly 2 years of Paxton worth more than that.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          7 years ago

          Xab, not as simple as that because if you kept Miller, you might have been Houston in 17. Agree with other comments on Sheffield as I didn’t find him impressive. I tempered my initial comments however as I got caught up in the NY hype. Shame on me for not going with my eyes considering how I always preach looking through your eyes and stop focusing on newer stats that are sometimes based on faulty subjective criteria.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          7 years ago

          Concerns Fiber with his injury history and now going to pitch in typically smaller parks.

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        • giveemthecurve

          7 years ago

          Well, Sheffield is done. Once the Mariners player development guys get their hands on him he’s going nowhere.

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          7 years ago

          I think given the choices they had even with the injury concerns he’s still a step up from, unproven prospects.

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        • Harry pness

          7 years ago

          You’ve got some homework to do before thanksgiving break xabial

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        • xabial

          7 years ago

          If u disagree, Thank you for the courtesy (no sarcasm, must be Thanksgiving spirit Lol)

          My source is… Michael Kay. He broke news of the trade to me, my drive back from school. It was the only point he pointed out, I liked and I’m the biggest Yankee homer there is …! No Kay!!! Just cuz the other prospects werent “top-10” NYY doesn’t mean they’re TRASH

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        • slider32

          7 years ago

          Paxton fangraphs projects 4.4 War

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        • MetsYankeesRedSox

          7 years ago

          I bet the Schmooze is liking this trade.

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        • Slevin

          7 years ago

          lol, good one MYR!!!

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        • bravesfan88

          7 years ago

          Yeah, there’s no way Cash got fleeced in this deal. If anything, I would say the deal goes heavily in the Yankees favor.

          You look at what it would take to get any other pitcher of Paxton’s caliber and upside, and you’re talking about one of your top 3 prospects, and at least another top 10 and top 15..The Yankees basically only gave up Sheffield, and a couple of mediocre throw-ins..

          Besides, I think Sheffield was at times quite a bit overhyped, so it could actually end up even looking better for the Yanks and Cashman.

          The only risk is Paxton’s injury history, but without that, you’re talking about a MUCH bigger prospect cost. Besides, by all accounts, recently Paxton has proved he’s healthy, and moving forward, his shoulder and arm troubles are behind him. The Yankees should be getting the best of Paxton, during his prime, and that should be a scary thought for the Yankees opponents!!

          Clearly, Paxton was definitely worth the gamble, especially considering his overall cost.

          Excellent move for the Yankees, and anyone that says otherwise, you should probably consider your sanity..or lack thereof!! lol

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        • Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo

          7 years ago

          If Paxton is at least as healthy as he’s shown the last few years it seems the Yanks won this trade. Guess Sheffield’s worth remains to be seen buuut..

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        • JKB 2

          7 years ago

          I do not think Cashman was fleeced but your logic of resigning Miller has nothing to do with it being a good trade or not. They could have kept Sheffield and signed Miller.

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        • Perksy

          7 years ago

          Agreed. And I’m sure Cleveland asked a ton for Kluber or Carrasco so Paxton was the next best for a lot less. Plus 2 years of control there is no big commitment. They probably wanted to at least lock in one pitcher and then see how the market shapes out with Corbin, Happ, and Keuchel, etc. I don’t think they re done, and they will be two more.

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        • merrilld

          7 years ago

          M’s fan here. Pax is excellent in all parks. He threw a no-no at Rogers last year and has pitched excellently in Yankees Stadium, iirc.

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        • TeddyBallgameYazJimEd

          7 years ago

          Exactly.. one thing that is known.. he gave up 23 bombs in only 160 innings.. Wow.. they should check his neck.. he may have sprained it from spinning it around so many times..

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        • Markdashark

          7 years ago

          Not really saying it’s a good trade or a bad trade but, how is trading two years of Miller for two years of Paxton really a great trade anyway? Honestly you can’t really look at it that way anyway. If the Yankees didn’t trade Miller, they wouldn’t me paying Chapman 18+ for the next 4 years or whatever.

          Anyway Clint Frazier is complete garbage so I wouldn’t call him icing on the cake. More like an icing in hockey.. da da chhh.

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        • dubinsky

          7 years ago

          how is trading 2 years of Miller for 2 years of Paxson a great trade?

          seriously? (look up the term WAR)

          2 years of a good reliever is not worth FAR less than 2 years of a good starter????? particularly when you have, as the Yanks do, 2 better relievers than Miller and really need starters?

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        • thefenwayfaithful 2

          7 years ago

          It’s not that Paxton is not a good pitcher. It’s that you gotta believe he’s the guy in Yankees stadium. The Yankees rebuked quite a few offers on Sheffield over the last few years from how it sounds.

          I’m not sure taking a guy from Seattle which is pitcher friendly and putting him in a park with some short porches, he could see a spike in his hr/fb ratio causing an inflated ERA. Not saying Sonny Gray part 2, but it could be a consideration. In his one career appearance at Yankees stadium he gave up 2 homers for 4 runs over 5 innings. Granted, career numbers don’t say he’s better in pitcher friendly parks. He’s got a 5.02 ERA in Oakland and didn’t fare too well in San Diego his one time there. He also hasn’t been awful in Arlington which is a hitter friendly park and pitched well in Houston. He’s pitched well against Boston, but never pitched at Fenway.

          His 41% FB ratio this season was much higher then prior seasons and his GB/FB was a career low. He also only had a 16.5% soft contact rate and a career high hard contact rate (34%). He also spiked up in his HR/FB ratio. He did slightly set a career high in K%, but the overall trend doesn’t look great for a guy moving to the Bronx.

          I don’t mind moving Sheffield but they should have picked a different target in my opinion.

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        • ortue

          7 years ago

          That’s right on the money. Conversely we can expect Zunnino to be a perennial All Star in Tampa

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        • ortue

          7 years ago

          “Well, Sheffield is done. Once the Mariners player development guys get their hands on him he’s going nowhere.”

          That’s right on the money. Conversely we can expect Zunnino to be a perennial All Star in Tampa

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        • Markdashark

          7 years ago

          Oh I did

          Andrew Miller has a 10.4 war over the past 5 seasons

          James Paxton has a 11 war over 5 seasons

          That puts them extremely close, however I think Andrew millers playoff accomplishment put him far past a player who only plays half a season.

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        • davidcoonce74

          7 years ago

          WAR is a rough metric for relievers though, as they pitch so few innings. WPA or some other metric/stat that includes high-leverage situations is probably much more appropriate.

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        • TroyD

          7 years ago

          Not that proven. People talk about his peripherals but his actual numbers are good not great.

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        • justreading

          7 years ago

          funny though, the Yankees needed innings in the worst way in July and August and Sheffield was mentioned numerous times but the yanks stood steady and kept Sheffield down. at first I thought he was to be used in a 7/31 trade and they didn’t want to take a chance with a couple of mlb starts, but the “he wasn’t ready” stmnts started to get
          very sketchy. damn, cc was fatigued and couldn’t pitch in the heat, severino obviously had a problem and needed to take 10-15 days and figure it out – they needed a rookie “phenom” to step in and give them 5-8 starts and get them to October but Justus was no where to be found. why were they afraid to pitch him or were they afraid to show him to other teams against mlb pitching.
          I WILL TAKE PAXTON IN A HEARTBEAT!!

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        • stansfield123

          7 years ago

          By that logic, he should’ve traded Judge for Paxton. and claimed that all Paxton cost was the 32nd draft pick in the first round of the 2013 amateur draft.

          You see, Sheffield isn’t worth what he was worth in the Miller trade. He successfully climbed two levels of the minors, and is now major league ready. That easily doubles his value, compared to the Miller trade.

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        • pennantrace01

          7 years ago

          That’s how starter for prospect trades work. Only time will tell as pitching prospects are Lotto tickets.

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      • Palmerpark

        7 years ago

        Sheff overrated and failed to pay an agent back that he screwed over – his days were numbered – saw him in AZ Fall league last year – not impressive

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        • southpaw2153

          7 years ago

          I agree. Sheffield has 2 pitches and can’t throw enough strikes. He’ll wind up a reliever. Great deal by Cashman.

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        • Bocephus

          7 years ago

          Future BP arm.

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        • c1234

          7 years ago

          Hey, Xabial actually brought up a valid point, nice.

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        • YourDaddy

          7 years ago

          A month ago he was God incarnate and now he is a bum. You Tankees fans are funny. Thanks for the good laugh.

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        • southbeachbully

          7 years ago

          Why do you assume those guys are Yankee fans?

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        • iverbure

          7 years ago

          No kidding eh? Like it’s as if these buffoons are actually negotiating the deals themselves. Talking up or talking down prospects to try and prove to the other fans that said deal you propose is fair is so dumb. You aren’t winning anything nor does any GM care about your worthless opinion.

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        • luclusciano

          7 years ago

          Then why are you commenting and reading comments on a trade rumors website?

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        • stratcrowder

          7 years ago

          Bam

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        • jekporkins

          7 years ago

          Seriously. Two of these guys were in the Giants boards this morning saying Sheffiied was too good to be packaged in a Bumgarner trade. Now they’re glad he’s gone. Once Manny and Bryce are signed to different teams they will all be saying they’re glad Cashman didn’t sign them too.

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        • xabial

          7 years ago

          Not me! Bryce is my favorite player.

          thank team that signs (saves us) from Manny

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    • Perksy

      7 years ago

      I disagree with the article saying with the acquisition of Paxton and resigning of Sabathia that this is it for the starting pitching. I would say this takes them out of the running for Kluber, but I think Corbin and Happ are still very much in play. They can’t go into next year thinking Sabathia will be the no.5 as he should be just for depth. Plus Paxton is injured all the time and I don’t think they can count on Adams, Loaisiaga, German to be part of the starting 5 yet. For depth an insurance yes. But I think hey need two more bonafide starters if they want to win the division and go deep into the playoffs.

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      • thefenwayfaithful 2

        7 years ago

        I agree with you. Learn from the Red Sox. We went into last season with Sale, Price, Porcello, Pomeranz, Rodriguez, Wright, etc. And by midseason we were looking for starters again.

        If the Yankees stop here it’s a big mistake. Happ or Corbin needs to happen if they want to one up the Sox.

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        • Perksy

          7 years ago

          I wouldn’t be surprised if they got both. If you can only count on Paxton and Cc for 20 + starts each, then it’s back down to two starters. Every team now needs like 8 starters.

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    • PeterDipersio

      7 years ago

      It doesn’t matter! My Ref Sox will smash the heck out of Paxton !

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  2. jdgoat

    7 years ago

    No a Canadians worst nightmare!

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    • its_happening

      7 years ago

      He lives in Northwest Territories?

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      • jdgoat

        7 years ago

        No idea where he lives.

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      • Perksy

        7 years ago

        Territories? Is he a salesman?

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    • xabial

      7 years ago

      James Paxton drafted No. 37 overall 2009 draft.

      highest Jays ever took homegrown prospect since Canadian players were included in the draft, 1985

      But he failed to sign.

      read somewhere he wanted 1.4, Jays offered 1M

      Anyway Paxton returned senior year; but NCAA ruled him ineligible, due to contact with Boras, got into legal dispute, eventually pitched in independent league and drafted No. 132 in 2010 draft, almost 100 spots lower. He still got $945K, within $50K of Jays original offer he rejected drafted 37, after getting picked 132!!!

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      • jh8913

        7 years ago

        Xabial that’s a cool anecdote thank you!

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      • ddj05

        7 years ago

        Boras sucks

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    • Doug Dueck

      7 years ago

      This Canadian is ecstatic

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  3. jh8913

    7 years ago

    Wow

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    • Judge Judy

      7 years ago

      We’re back!

      Easy favorites to win the World Series next year.

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      • conquerbeard

        7 years ago

        Lol

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  4. crazy4cleveland

    7 years ago

    no

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  5. Tiger_diesel92

    7 years ago

    Really.bringing in this guy in the rotation?

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    • mrnatewalter

      7 years ago

      No. He’s gonna play left field.

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      • jdgoat

        7 years ago

        Lol

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      • jh8913

        7 years ago

        Lol

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        • luclusciano

          7 years ago

          🙂

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      • CubsRule08

        7 years ago

        Lol

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      • rrddbb44

        7 years ago

        Lol

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      • Gunnerson

        7 years ago

        woooooo

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      • RedRooster

        7 years ago

        Lol

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      • trendysayings

        7 years ago

        Lol

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      • TwinsHomer

        7 years ago

        Lol

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      • amjr

        7 years ago

        Lol

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      • hende3165

        7 years ago

        Lol

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        • Bob Knob

          7 years ago

          Lol

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      • STLCards33

        7 years ago

        Haha god dam that was good

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        • olereb

          7 years ago

          Please don’t use that word, I know who he is and who his son is, highly offensive

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        • azcm2511

          7 years ago

          Then just skip over the comment.

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        • GreenCustom24

          7 years ago

          Well gosh darn…

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        • luclusciano

          7 years ago

          Ha

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        • elscorchot

          7 years ago

          God wasn’t capitalized and damn was spelled wrong. Don’t think it counts.

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        • MetsYankeesRedSox

          7 years ago

          Ok…
          What’s the H in Jesus H Christ then?

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        • joepanikatthedisco

          7 years ago

          Hiroki Kuroda

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      • Ichiro51

        7 years ago

        best response

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      • gotothevideotape

        7 years ago

        Mrn,
        lolol

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      • PhanaticDuck26

        7 years ago

        careful…the Phillies will think you’re serious…

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      • titanic struggle

        7 years ago

        Lol!!

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      • jorleeduf

        7 years ago

        Lol

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  6. Wahoo What a Finish!

    7 years ago

    Great trade by the M’s! Paxton’s best days are behind him and he will struggle in yankee stadium.

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    • dave1775

      7 years ago

      Lefty in Yankee stadium. Clueless moron

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      • jh8913

        7 years ago

        Just haters sigh

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      • jakethesnizake

        7 years ago

        dave1775, I’m a Yanks fan and this is a stupid move by them. I would never deal Sheff unless its for a frontline starter like Kluber.

        Paxton hasn’t pitched more than 160 IP in a season in his career. He can’t stay on the field.

        Terrible move.

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        • AllRiseForTheJudge

          7 years ago

          Then you don’t know baseball. He’s a lefty coming to Yankee Stadium, he’ll be just fine.

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        • johnnyz123

          7 years ago

          The only concern is health. But, he did have 208Ks in 160 IP. And he had a 1.098 WHIP. If he can stay healthy he can win 20 games. Justus is great, but he’s unproven on the MLB level.

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        • southbeachbully

          7 years ago

          He started 52 games over the last 2 years and hasn’t had a signifigant injury setback, I’m not mad at the move. Would’ve preferred Kluber but perhaps the ask was too great. He can be a solid #2 or #3 for us, depending on one’s feelings towards Tanaka.

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        • Adam6710

          7 years ago

          I don’t like the deal but I don’t hate it either. He’s a solid #2 starter, and he’ll do well in Yankee Stadium assuming he can handle New York.

          Sheffield is a high price to pay to be sure, but right now he’s nothing but potential. Paxton has a pretty solid track record.

          I wouldn’t have done the deal because i’d love a Yankee team with home grown stars up and down the lineup and in multiple spots the rotation…

          …but I’d hardly call it “stupid.”

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        • posterizer

          7 years ago

          Sheffield couldn’t even make it to the big leagues last year despite need. Underachiever- good trade. Now go get Kluber

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        • Adam6710

          7 years ago

          There’s nothing precluding a trade for Kluber. The Yanks still have enough pieces and prospects to deal: Hicks, Frazier, Adams, Andujar, Florial, Loaisiga and Abreu, to name just a few.

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        • Ichiro51

          7 years ago

          you don’t know baseball. you need more than Sheffield to get Kluber. Sheffield is unproven. Paxton has shown more brilliance than negatives, even with his injuries. Im a Yankee fan and this trade makes sense for both teams. We would’ve taken a gamble on a prospect to attempt to compete in the playoffs. I’d rather put that on the shoulders if a left that had thrown a no hitter.

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        • jh8913

          7 years ago

          The Yankees have one “home grown” starter on a major league level. To think they could make a deep playoff run with just triple a pitching is a littttle bit of a stretch

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        • dave1775

          7 years ago

          Terrible ? Quick you missed your short bus

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        • stymeedone

          7 years ago

          David Price is lefty. How come he cant pitch well against the Yankees, even in NY? Regardless of which arm he pitches with, Yankee Stadium has a joke of a right field. Tough for any pitcher.

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        • Matthew De Lorge

          7 years ago

          Kluber is going to be 33 this year, Paxton is 30. Kluber has shown health concerns and decline over the past season and a half, and is paid at a much higher salary.

          Sorry, would not want to give up what we did for a guy entering the back 9, I’d rather have one in the middle of his prime on a rookie deal for 2 more seasons.

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        • jh8913

          7 years ago

          Pretty sure Fenway has the worst right field

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        • Shane Collier

          7 years ago

          Did u say Kluber has shown signs of decline? Lol right won 20 games with a 2.89 era. Only making 15 million this year. 15 million for an ace not bad!

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        • Astros2333

          7 years ago

          Is that why Kluber was third in Cy Young voting?

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        • rivera42

          7 years ago

          Left field in Boston. Right in New York.

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        • The Human Toilet

          7 years ago

          He got a point on the decline, Kluber did win the Cy Young the year prior and only finished 3rd in the voting this year. He is nothing more than a ACE on a contending team anymore.

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        • merrilld

          7 years ago

          He just pitched more than 160 LAST YEAR.

          Albeit, 160 & a third, yuk yuk.

          Still, he’s primed for 200 next season. He’s had to learn a lot about caring for his body. It ain’t easy being tall.

          Looks like a good deal for both teams, to me. We’ll see.

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        • luclusciano

          7 years ago

          One? Judge, Sanchez, severino, wade, torreyes, Andujar

          Am I missing something? Granted Sheffield is not homegrown, so they can’t claim him.

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        • Matthew De Lorge

          7 years ago

          How did Kluber fare in the playoffs the past 2 seasons? Remember, when the Yankees destroyed him in 2017 it was rumored he was playing through an injury.

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        • CincyMariner

          7 years ago

          luclusciano,

          One “starter” is homegrown. Clearly homegrown means something different to you. In this case starter means a thrower of baseballs from atop a hill in the middle of the diamond shaped thing not someone who is in the “starting lineup”, however I think you may be a Rays fan, so you might be more familiar with the term “opener.” As in, Severino is the only “opener or starter” who is homegrown talent.

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        • CincyMariner

          7 years ago

          I’m a Mariners fan and you are right, this was a stupid move, because I wouldn’t have let him go for less than two top 100 prospects. I think the Mariners should have got at least Abreu or Acevedo in addition to the package they got for Paxton. I know you think you traded for a #3, but there is a good chance Paxton is your opening day starter. Severino tanked in the second half and Paxton is undeniably great, and his injury history never included prolonged issues like T.J. or shoulder issues.

          If Paxton pitched 200 innings in 2018, he’d be a 6-7 WAR pitcher. He was constantly in the top 10 starters in all of baseball and if you look at his numbers, he strikes out a ton, walks few, has a bulldog mentality, and maybe the Mariners trainers suck at keeping people healthy. It’s not like there aren’t numerous supporting injuries to tie into this theory.

          As is, you are getting someone who is in the 4-5 WAR range if he has a couple short stints on the D.L. Most importantly, he’s also going to be fresher than most when he gets to the postseason and there is almost nobody in baseball you would rather have than him starting a winner take all game in the postseason. Add in his dominance against AL East teams, throw out the bad Yankee stadium numbers because he was playing a good offensive team (give yourselves some credit).

          Finally, as far as trade value goes, the Padres traded 3,3 years of a setup guy (Brad Hand) who is going to make almost $25M over the remaining 3 years while putting up about 1 WAR/ yr., plus they included 5+ years of a solid middle reliever (Adam Cimber) for a top 30 catching prospect. Paxton will make about $23M over the two years, while projecting for 9-10 wins if he only averages 150-170 innings per season.
          * That’s about $5M in excess value for Hand
          * Plus about $5M in excess value for Cimber
          * Paxton will be worth about $60-70M.
          * Mejia ($43M) is worth more than Sheffield ($29M), by a lot…
          fangraphs.com/blogs/an-update-to-prospect-valuatio…
          * The Mariners got fluff and Sheffield, good fluff, but fluff for a whale of a player. Paxton and Severino throwing 98+ in the 7th inning on back-to-back days will make you glad for this trade. I would’ve rather them forced the Yankees to expand the trade to include Kyle Seager (grew up a Yankee fan and his family is from NY) and cash ($20M-25MM??/3) plus the Mariners get to add Trevor Stephan and Domingo Acevedo to the return. I know God forbid the Yankees don’t get the Lambo everytime, but Seager battled a foot injury for most of the season and still was close to league average. He’d represent a huge uptick in defense, should bounce back from injury, adds left-handed bat to New York’s lineup and he could put up with mooks in Brooklyn.

          So yeah I’m sad about what we got, I think the Mariners got fleeced and could have leveraged Paxton to dump salary and strengthen the return. Instead you guys get an ace for a #3, a #5 and a lottery ticket.

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          Why would you use WAR for a relief pitcher? If you’re going to comp a reliever with a starter WAR is not a measure that is going to give you any insight. I’m surprised the M’s didn’t get a better 2nd piece in this package. IE Acevedo or Loaisiga but they may be higher on Swanson than others. They’re also paper thin in the outfield and may like him as well. Nobody’s value on prospects is uniform and Seattle may have had these guys much higher than we think.

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        • TroyD

          7 years ago

          Bad numbers at Yankee Stadium make me far more nervous than they did 1 1/2 years ago.

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        • Adam6710

          7 years ago

          Price can’t pitch against the Yankees because he has to face the Yankees. And he’s David Price, who for some reason always folds against them.

          The idea of YS being good for lefty pitchers is that Lefty Hitters can use the short right porch for power, but a good lefty pitcher can neutralize those lefty hitters.

          Certainly there is no guarantee Paxton, or anyone, will have success there, but it’s a good match on paper is what people are saying.

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        • Perksy

          7 years ago

          They were not getting Kluber unless Sheffield, Andujar, Florial at least we’re in the deal. Kluber is under contract at like $13m a year for the next 3 years. CY young candidate and 32 starts every year.

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        • thunderecho

          7 years ago

          Astros fan here. I would argue that the talent the Mariners landed in the Paxton trade is greater than the talent the Mariners received in the Randy Johnson trade in 1998. None of the prospects (at the time), the Mariners received in the Randy Johnson trade we’re ranked in the top 100 and all three players made the big league roster. The Mariners farm system right now is horrible. The future of the Mariners doesn’t look promising with the state of the farm system. It is way too soon to grade this trade or criticize this trade for the Mariners or obsess over the rankings the prospects the Mariners received.

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        • dust44

          7 years ago

          Torreyes was actually a reds farm Hand first. Watched him play in Dayton. So he’s not homegrown. And who really gives a rip who’s homegrown. Just WIN baby

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      • sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo

        7 years ago

        Paxton v LHB in 2018: .330/.378/.495

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        • ortue

          7 years ago

          but .202 vs RHB….23.14 era vs Red Sox in 2018

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      • gotothevideotape

        7 years ago

        Omg, another jealous and bitter Yankees remark! DAVE, don’t waste your breath on them!

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      • YourDaddy

        7 years ago

        fangraphs.com/spraycharts.aspx?playerid=11828&…

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      • JPADA

        7 years ago

        .330/.378/.495, .874 OPS is Paxton’s line versus left handed batters in ’18.

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    • johnnyz123

      7 years ago

      Leftys in Yankee Stadium fare well. Paxton is still young. And, the run support will make him a 15-game winner.

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      • wayneroo

        7 years ago

        30 is young?

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        • thetruth 2

          7 years ago

          Yes.

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    • aberdeen101

      7 years ago

      Seattle got robbed.

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      • jh8913

        7 years ago

        Idk about robbed but definitely a good deal for yanks

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      • Samuel

        7 years ago

        Sheffield has disappointed so far as a prospect. Might not be ready for the majors till 2020.

        Good job by the Yankees putting PR out on him. Not as intense as the Red Sox did on Moncada, but it got the job done.

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        • posterizer

          7 years ago

          Agree

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        • topchuckie

          7 years ago

          He had a 2.56 ERA in AAA last year, but you think he’ll need another whole season there?

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        • Samuel

          7 years ago

          Yes.

          The hardest transition for a player is going from AAA to the majors. It’s why 80% of Top 100 prospects don’t last 3 years in the bigs.

          Sheffield would not have stayed in the Yankee rotation in 2019. Assuming the Mariners go into a rebuild, he may get innings there. But even then I see him yo-yo’ing between AAA and the majors in 2019.

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        • ColossusOfClout

          7 years ago

          He won’t spend another full year in the minors. He may even start the year in the M’s rotation.

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        • iverbure

          7 years ago

          Hardest transition is AAA to the bigs? Hmmm is that why a lot of guys totally bypass AAA altogether now.

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        • Mattimeo09

          7 years ago

          Don’t try to reason with him. He thinks the Royals are going all the way this year

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        • Samuel

          7 years ago

          lol

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        • oldleftylong

          7 years ago

          Might not even make it to the BIGS.

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      • unpaidobserver

        7 years ago

        Pretty much even as they come. 35-40 starts spread over two years of 3.50 ERA at $24M in exchange for a top prospect that needs to figure things out but could blossom into a star and a position player lottery ticket.

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        • jh8913

          7 years ago

          Agreed

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        • Perksy

          7 years ago

          Why $24 mil?

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  7. pinstripes17

    7 years ago

    You know it!

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  8. partyatnapolis

    7 years ago

    does this mean the indians are holding onto their starters?

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    • Cam

      7 years ago

      Not sure how the Mariners and Yankees making a trade at the beginning of the offseason, could mean the Indians aren’t shipping anyone?

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      • Samuel

        7 years ago

        The Indians had Sheffield. No way they would take him as the major piece back for Kluber or Corrasco. They’ll still deal, although the Yankees may be down to signing a free agent starter, as they have little left to trade for a major pitcher.

        On the Yankees part this lets Corbin’s agent know that they will give him a fair contract, but not go silly. As for the Indians – they’ll still make a trade. Maybe even a 3-way. The Braves look like an excellent trading partner.

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        • RedRooster

          7 years ago

          Indians didn’t trade Sheffield because they didn’t believe in him as a player. They traded him because they had an immediate need that they were able to fill by trading him.

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        • Cam

          7 years ago

          The Indians will make a trade, and pitching will get paid in FA. There’s really no Team in the league that is set for pitching right now.

          Love that hot stove season!

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        • indiansfan44

          7 years ago

          Sheffield might of actually been a critical piece to trade for Kluber. The biggest needs right now are outfield and relief pitching but with Carrasco, Bauer and Salazar (assuming he is brought back and is healthy) are all free agents after 2020. Still would have Clevenger and Bieber with top prospect McKenzie ready to step up but the options if someone got injured before then are not very exciting.

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        • dobsonel

          7 years ago

          You do realize that the Yankees currently have three more prospects who rank in the top 100 and two are pitchers right? Florial, Loasiga, and Abreu.

          On top of this, they have German, Acevedo, and Adams, not to mention Montgomery and even Holder who all have value. The Yanks have plenty of chips left to package and trade.

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    • reflect

      7 years ago

      It also means the Portland Trailblazers are going to blow it up.

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  9. Weighed

    7 years ago

    Justice is served.

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    • Caught Looking

      7 years ago

      More like Justus.is served (and traded)

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      • jleve618

        7 years ago

        I think that was the point.

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        • Mattimeo09

          7 years ago

          Are you sure?

          Check Again.

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    • Perksy

      7 years ago

      Sid Justice?

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  10. nmendoza7

    7 years ago

    Holy Jesus in heaven

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  11. bronxbombers99

    7 years ago

    HOT STOVE FIRE BURNIN

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  12. dbacksrs

    7 years ago

    Yanks can go to H-E-Double hockey sticks!

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    • HubcapDiamondStarHalo

      7 years ago

      Why? And why be so lame with your cursing?

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  13. AidanVega123

    7 years ago

    Wow

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  14. Slipknot37

    7 years ago

    Sheffield? Kind of wanted him to stay in new York. Thought he was untouchable. But way to get the offseason rolling, mariners

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    • SirCheeto1

      7 years ago

      Felt like the Yankees were always down on Sheff. Plus Paxton is a big upgrade over Sheffield IF he stays healthy.

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      • Slipknot37

        7 years ago

        If Joel sherman’s report is true about how they viewed him as a number three starter, then i agree

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  15. Christian Larsen

    7 years ago

    Less likely Corbin comes to the Yankees now

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    • realgone2

      7 years ago

      True

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      • yanks02026

        7 years ago

        How is it true? Cashman has said he wants to get 2 starts, now they have space for one more.

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        • realgone2

          7 years ago

          How is it not true?

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        • Michael Talarico

          7 years ago

          No offense to Yankees fans, but you guys literally think everyone with talent in free agency is going to sign with the Yankees. The Yankees are a good team already and can just use their farm system to replenish any holes(mostly); especially after tradong for Paxton.

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        • jimmyz

          7 years ago

          Yanks plan on trading Sonny Gray who is expected to make about the same money as Paxton, both through arbitration. Yankees should add Corbin now and roll with Severino, Corbin, Tanaka and Paxton as a rotation to match that offense.

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        • Begamin

          7 years ago

          +Michael
          +realgone2
          Cashman stated that he wanted to acquire two more starters. They just got one, theyre still trying for another. They have 4 SP (not including Sonny Gray since theyre most likely going to trade him or use him out of the pen) penciled in right now. Until they get another starter the odds of the Yankees acquiring should be considered the same even after this trade.

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        • Doug Dueck

          7 years ago

          Corbin was born in Clay New York and the Yankees were his favourite team growing up. So yes; I think he will sign with the Yankees

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    • dobsonel

      7 years ago

      Disagree. Cashman said he needs two after he resigned CC.

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      • Slevin

        7 years ago

        Dobsonel great move. Now they sign Corbin, Harper, and trade Gray to the Reds. Remember the importance of the downvoter.

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        • dobsonel

          7 years ago

          Haha Slevin, exactly. I’d be plenty happy with all three of those moves.

          It’s funny, that one guy was trying to say a 2B with a year of control was worth Shef, Florial, and Gray yet Cashman just landed a #2 starter with multiple years of control for way way less.

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        • dobsonel

          7 years ago

          Although I will say if they are interested in Harper, and they don’t want to blow past the tax threshold by that much, there is a few ways to pick up another controlled arm and pass on Corbin saving up to 10 mil on the rotation.

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          7 years ago

          Paxton’s salary is just replacing Gray’s from what I’ve read. They still have the salary space to sign both Harper, and Corbin. For all the haters look up the great Yankee teams, and how they always had dominant LH pitching and hitting.

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        • dobsonel

          7 years ago

          Actually no they don’t. They still need at least 1 bullpen arm. Mix that with Corbin and Harper and they will be over by almost Harper’s entire salary. I’m not saying they won’t do it, just saying that puts them on a 10+ year track of being drastically over which makes it unlikely unless Cashman gets really creative.

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        • MetsYankeesRedSox

          7 years ago

          Has this trade passed the jelly litmus test yet?

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        • Slevin

          7 years ago

          MYR AGREED!!!!!!! lol

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        • Kemajic

          7 years ago

          We don’t have anywhere to play Harper. And no one is going to take on Stanton’s contract and his 211+7 K’s.

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        • dobsonel

          7 years ago

          I’m against signing Harper but there is a giant hole right there in LF so they do have a spot. And Stanton was a 4 WAR player with 38 HRs on a down year and is over 10 mil cheaper against the tax than Harper or Machado will be so he’s easily tradable. Although the Yanks would be stupid to do that.

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        • Doug Dueck

          7 years ago

          Stanton has a no trade clause in his contract. So unless he wants out of New York he is not going anywhere

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    • yanks02026

      7 years ago

      How?

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    • Slipknot37

      7 years ago

      Paxton, sabathia, severino, tanaka. Still room for one more rotation piece assuming gray of course is traded

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      • lammyj34

        7 years ago

        Jordan Montgomery

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        • southbeachbully

          7 years ago

          He’s not going to be available until mid-season.

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        • sambrann

          7 years ago

          Won’t be back until mid season

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        • Slipknot37

          7 years ago

          Dont forget he underwent Tommy John surgery. He will probably be ready at the end of next year, so they’ll need someone else or good depth

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        • Yankeepride88

          7 years ago

          Out until at least August and then on a pitch limit. Most likely a 2020 replacement for CC

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      • Adam6710

        7 years ago

        You can never have too much pitching. I wouldn’t be surprised if they acquired TWO more pitchers, and if nobody gets hurt during ST, putting Sabathia in the bullpen.

        Injuries to starters are an inevitability. Paxton, Sabathia, Tanaka, and Montgomery all went on the DL in 2018, and Montgomery (as others noted) won’t be back until mid-season at least.

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    • DarkSide830

      7 years ago

      he was always going to the Brewers. Dallas was going to NYY.

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    • Perksy

      7 years ago

      They will get two more starters. It’s not enough. You can’t count of Sabathia and Paxton giving you more than 50 starts in 2019.

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  16. stan lee the manly

    7 years ago

    Very surprised it’s him and not Kluber

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    • Perksy

      7 years ago

      Kluber would have taken Sheff, Andujar, Florial, etc. guy is cy young candidate every year, and 32 + starts every year.

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  17. unsaturatedmatz

    7 years ago

    Wowza. Sheffield definitely in the deal. Other names to watch: Andujar, Florial, Tyler Wade, Bird, Albert Abreu and some lower level pitchers.

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    • jh8913

      7 years ago

      Why would Andujar and Sheffield be involved? That seems like a gross overpay

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    • costergaard2

      7 years ago

      Tyler Wade can hit in the bigs. He’ll end up going the way of Refsnyder, who also couldn’t hit…

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      • Begamin

        7 years ago

        Eh, its still much too early to say whether Wade can handle big league pitching. He has the speed and fielding prowess to get a roster spot somewhere if he simply hits .250. Thats a probable scenario possibly worth betting on.

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        • dobsonel

          7 years ago

          Not too sure about that. Wade looks lost at the plate.

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        • Begamin

          7 years ago

          While that is true, he has still yet to hit even 150 PA in the majors. It is way to early to put any real judgement on him when it takes about 1000-1500PAs to accurately assess a player

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  18. johnrealtime

    7 years ago

    can’t wait to see yankee fan reactions who seem to think sheff is worth any player in baseball straight up (I’m exaggerating but you get the point)

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    • Waitings The Hardest Part

      7 years ago

      You are. Yankee fans arent.

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      • johnrealtime

        7 years ago

        My point was that Yankee fans on here have been overvaluing Sheff in their trade proposals to a very high degree

        It is common enough thing for fans to do, I just felt that Yankee fans have been doing it the most extremely so far this off-season. People forget you have to give up talent to get talent

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    • AllRiseForTheJudge

      7 years ago

      I mean, I’m a Yankees fan, and I do think Sheffield could have headlined a package for something more than Paxton. I don’t know much about the other prospects in the deal, but Sheff definitely could have gone for Kluber or Carrasco.

      At the same time, he’s a lefty coming to Yankee Stadium. If he can handle the pressure of a big media market and the expectation to win immediately, he’ll be just fine,

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      • jh8913

        7 years ago

        I mean I think Cashman and co know more about the trade market than we as fans do

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      • rrddbb44

        7 years ago

        Looks like the other prospects are relatively minor. As a Yankees fan, I’m fairly happy with the move. But please Cash no more lefties

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      • Adam6710

        7 years ago

        Sheffield could not have headlined a package for Kluber. Frazier AND Sheffield, maybe. Kluber is a legitimate ace. Paxton is a number 2 at best.

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      • Michael Chaney

        7 years ago

        Sheffield could have gone for Kluber or Carrasco…if you added a ton more and he wasn’t the main piece.

        Sheffield is a good piece, but if he hits his ceiling he’ll probably just be what Paxton is now. The other two guys could be something, but this basically just seems to boil down to the Mariners taking the risk of trading Paxton for someone who could become him in the long run, with his team control and two prospects thrown in to offset the risk.

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        • billysbballz

          7 years ago

          Not sure the Yanks feel Sheffield could be Paxton at his ceiling to be honest with you.

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      • dobsonel

        7 years ago

        They could still possibly be in on Kluber if he’s truly available.

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          The Yankees really can’t be in on Kluber unless they add major league pieces. There’s not enough on the farm to do it right now. There’s a significant difference between Paxton and Kluber.

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      • billysbballz

        7 years ago

        This was s very good trade. Paxton is a very solid two and they didn’t overpay. To acquire Kluber from the Indians who plan on contending still the Yanks will have to overpay substantially and Yankee fans will not be happy. We now sign Corbin and Kikuchi and still have chips to go after an ace in season if we even need one.

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          How do you have the chips for an ace? Maybe if there’s a Rental ace available at the deadline. You just took out your top prospect. Florial and Abreu are your best chips left on the table.

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        • dobsonel

          7 years ago

          Loasiga is also a top 100 prospect.

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          Loaisiga is a fine prospect too but when you’re dealing for a Corey Kluber you’re going to need more than that. If they want a Greinke type they could easily swing that. Frazier is too much of a wild card to headline a package for an ace right now. Perhaps by mid season he could have built his value way back up again. If they trade for an ace it’ll probably have to be in July.

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  19. metseventually 2

    7 years ago

    OOOOOOOOH WEEEE RICK

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  20. baseballlegend1910

    7 years ago

    Does that mean J.A. Happ will land somewhere else?

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  21. jwinker

    7 years ago

    This makes me think Happ is going back to Toronto.

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  22. stratcrowder

    7 years ago

    I’m glad we’re nabbing him, but I’m not looking forward to the price.

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  23. realgone2

    7 years ago

    how will Paxton fair in the AL East?

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  24. morgannyy 2

    7 years ago

    Wow. Must not have been that high on Sheffield…

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  25. dave1775

    7 years ago

    Great first move!

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  26. mlb1225

    7 years ago

    If Sheffield+ is what The Mariners got out of Paxton, they made out fairly well.

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  27. jh8913

    7 years ago

    What a great move for both teams

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    • southi

      7 years ago

      Actually I thought Paxton would bring back significantly more. It kind of feels like an under payment.

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  28. theloop

    7 years ago

    Big Maple in the Big Apple. If Sheffield was the price for Paxton, I can’t imagine what Kluber must cost.

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    • luclusciano

      7 years ago

      They pegged Sheffield as a #3 at best. This is a good move

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      • southbeachbully

        7 years ago

        Not sure who “they” are.

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        • Slevin

          7 years ago

          “They” are Yankees hating people pulling things out of thin air.

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        • MetsYankeesRedSox

          7 years ago

          does ey approves of the big maple?

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        • Slevin

          7 years ago

          She does look like she’s been hitting the hot cakes hard!!!

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        • MetsYankeesRedSox

          7 years ago

          LOL!
          Haven’t heard that word since Green Acres.

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      • Shiva Kamini

        7 years ago

        Why is no one focusing on this…. If Sheffield reaches his potential he’s a #3 per MLB.com. with the spare parts the Mariners got back, is this really the best deal they could find??

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        • southbeachbully

          7 years ago

          Who says that #3 is his ceiling? Please take that with a grain of salt.

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        • Priggs89

          7 years ago

          So MLB.com thinks he is a #3 starter at best, yet they have him ranked as the #31 prospect in all of baseball. Sound logic.

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          If you truly believe that Sheffield is a 3 at his ceiling and they rank him as the #31 prospect in all of baseball you’ve gotta be on something good. There’s no logic behind that.

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        • billysbballz

          7 years ago

          Take the rankings for what they are and read the scouting report attached to that ranking and it states he’s a mid rotation arm and I believe that’s the case. I like his live fastball but I didn’t see enough movement and he lacks control for a top of the rotation arm.

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    • JustOnePitch

      7 years ago

      The cost for Kluber probably starts with a talent between Torres and Andujar. If a team nets Kluber, it’s going to hurt.

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  29. jh8913

    7 years ago

    Sheffield was never going to be that good and he won’t play well at safeco

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    • TooToughToScuffle

      7 years ago

      Good strikeout rates and numbers at AA and AAA. Only 22.

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    • sameichel

      7 years ago

      Haha how is safeco as pitcher friendly ballpark worse for Sheffield than yankee short porch stadium

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    • wayneroo

      7 years ago

      No he won’t since it isn’t called Safeco anymore. Rumor is T-Mobile will have naming rights starting next season.

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  30. themansan

    7 years ago

    Making moves!!!

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  31. TooToughToScuffle

    7 years ago

    Good move! Guy’s FIP was even better than his ERA and he’s American League material. Safe.

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    • JT19

      7 years ago

      Which implies that Seattle’s defense costed him some runs. The Yankees infield defense was just as bad.

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      • gson

        7 years ago

        Donaldson or Machado on the right side of the infield would vastly improve the defense.. When DiDi is back, then the infield defense around the horn gets that much better.. provided Sanchez grows up behind the plate. ..

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          7 years ago

          Neither of those guys plays on the “right side of the infield”.

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    • johnrealtime

      7 years ago

      I do think this is a good move for the Yankees. Paxton has some good raw talent, if he can stay healthy I think he will do well for them. Giving up Sheffield has to hurt but likely less so than what it would have cost to get Kluber or Madbum

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  32. Waitings The Hardest Part

    7 years ago

    In coming Yankee fans talking about how the prospects new York gave up werent all that great and Sheffield isnt gonna be an ace hof player they refused to give up couple weeks ago.

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  33. Melchez

    7 years ago

    Sheffield? Wow. Yankee fans here thought a combo of Frazier and Ellsworth would get him.

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    • Waitings The Hardest Part

      7 years ago

      Paxton is a hof caliber pitcher who is better than Sale and Kershaw and we gave up a mid rotation starter at best for him- Yankee fans circa 11/19/2018

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      • redsfan48

        7 years ago

        Career 3.42 ERA, 3.76 this year. Nowhere near the level of Kershaw and absolutely not on Sale’s level. He’s a great pitcher, but he’s not a top-5 or probably even top-10 pitcher in the league.

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        • TooToughToScuffle

          7 years ago

          Career 3.13 FIP, if he qualified, equivalent to 5th place among all pitchers.

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        • kahnkobra

          7 years ago

          he’s not a great pitcher

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        • thesheriffisnear

          7 years ago

          Pretty sure he’s just mocking Yankee fans

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      • Michael Birks

        7 years ago

        Keep telling yourself that, if you repeat it enough and still won’t come true, better than sale? Come on

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      • driftcat28 2

        7 years ago

        Lol whoa okay now. I’m a Yankee fan but I’m realistic. Paxton is not in the same league as Sale

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      • Melchez

        7 years ago

        How many innings will he give you? 150?

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      • johnrealtime

        7 years ago

        This made me lol. I love the serious replies to this

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    • Marytown1

      7 years ago

      …and a bag of balls

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    • southbeachbully

      7 years ago

      Please say “some” and not act like it was the majority. Most sane fans know it would take more than Frazier and Ellsbury would never be in a trade to acquire a plus player. Maybe in deal for a bad contract where money MIGHT need to be offset but even that is unlikely.

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  34. unsaturatedmatz

    7 years ago

    Let the games begin

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  35. dobsonel

    7 years ago

    Sounds like Don Thompson Williams and Erik Swanson are the others.

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  36. cvarneski

    7 years ago

    Makes my Happ to the M’s prediction look better & better. *Mr. Burns voice* eeeexcellent

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    • MrStealYoBase

      7 years ago

      This assumes Dipoto gets fired at some point right? I’m pretty sure he’s deathly allergic to free agent signings.

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  37. dewssox79

    7 years ago

    are they still going to get corbin

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  38. jh8913

    7 years ago

    Lmao so we gave up Sheffield for Paxton basically another win for the yanks!

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    • Waitings The Hardest Part

      7 years ago

      Called it already starting

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      • Michael Chaney

        7 years ago

        You did call it

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      • Melchez

        7 years ago

        When Sheffield was a yankee, didn’t you say he was untouchable? A sure thing hall of famer?

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  39. manny0209

    7 years ago

    Love it

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  40. dewssox79

    7 years ago

    segura next?

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  41. driftcat28 2

    7 years ago

    Wouldn’t have dealt Sheffield. Mariners got a steal

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    • dewssox79

      7 years ago

      agreed

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  42. duckcmmder

    7 years ago

    Yess!! Hope is being brought back!!!

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  43. GorillaJoe

    7 years ago

    DiPoto is an idiot, Yankees say thank you, Jerry

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    • driftcat28 2

      7 years ago

      Yeah right dude, Sheffield was a steal. Cash got fleeced

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      • GorillaJoe

        7 years ago

        Right, dude, Jerry has continued to trash that franchise…stupid

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      • slider32

        7 years ago

        Sheffield is not Paxton, not even close! I think Swanson has more upside as MLB starter.

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    • hockeyjohn

      7 years ago

      Dipoto got fleeced. They should have received at least one more higher rated prospect than #22. And before the Yankee fans tell me they have best farm system, they don’t anymore since Torres, Andular, and others graduated to the parent club.

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  44. BronxBomber7

    7 years ago

    Pax is a great pitcher and he’s AL East proven. Just one of many more moves to be made.

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    • Jbigz12

      7 years ago

      How is Paxton ALE proven? He’s pitched in the ALW his entire career

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      • Astros2333

        7 years ago

        Its because he no hit the power house Blue Jays.

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  45. BashBroJoe

    7 years ago

    Smart move by the M’s and the Yankees can afford to use prospects in this manner. Good deal for both without even knowing the other names in the deal.

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  46. sameichel

    7 years ago

    Which means Patrick Corbin isn’t a fit for then anymore unless they complete a sonny trade

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    • southbeachbully

      7 years ago

      Gray’s status isn’t an issue. He can easily be traded as it’s already been said that there are many teams interested in him. Also, he can just be cut sine his contract isn’t guaranteed. Obviously Cash will make sure he gets something in return rather than just a non-tender.

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      • Melchez

        7 years ago

        I think they still get Corbin
        Corbin, Severino, Paxton, Tanaka and.CC, give them an excellent rotation. They have a top bullpen and offense. They have no excuse to be wildcards now.

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  47. mlb1225

    7 years ago

    Wow, The Mariners made out really well in this deal, and same for The Yankees. Dom Thompson has done really well in the minors so far, and could be in the majors by the end of 2019 if he keeps up production similar to what he had this year. Even though Swanson kind of seems like the worst piece going to NY, he’s 25, and did fairly well in the upper minors.

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    • Blue Baron

      7 years ago

      Swanson isn’t going to NY.

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      7 years ago

      I’ve been following Thompson-Williams since college, and sad to see him go.

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  48. Ronk325

    7 years ago

    I like this trade for both teams. Sheffield is talented but probably would have struggled in the AL East. He seems much better suited for the AL West. Also if Paxton can stay healthy he’s the front of the rotation arm the Yankees need

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  49. jakethesnizake

    7 years ago

    From a Yankees Fan to My Fellow Yankee Fans,

    You’re a moron if you think this is a good trade for the Yankees.

    Sheffield will be better than Paxton and could have stepped into the rotation in 2018 at some point.

    Paxton has never thrown more than 160 IP in his career and gets hurt too often.

    This was a bozo move by Cashman.

    Sincerely,

    The Anti-Moron

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    • AllRiseForTheJudge

      7 years ago

      lol Sheffield is entirely unproven and got lit up in the chances he did get, so you’re projecting a guy who gave up 7 runs and barely lasted 2 innings to be better than a proven pitcher?

      Sheffield MIGHT be better than Paxton. In 5 years. The Yankees aren’t 5 years away from winning, they’re expecting to win next year and had to do something to compete with Boston. Sheffield was never getting a real shot at the rotation next year and definitely doesn’t get them over the top. I don’t like the move, as a Yankees fan, and I definitely think Sheffield could headlined a package for Kluber or Carrasco, but for you to say Sheffield is going to be better than Paxton?

      Nah, you’re definitely a moron.

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      • jakethesnizake

        7 years ago

        He’s considered the Yankees #1 prospect for a reason. We should have gotten an ace in any deal that included Sheffield or held on to him until midseason so that we could go get someone.

        I won’t look forward to telling you “I told you so” when this guy goes down to injury because that hurts my favorite team, but I will look forward to calling you a moron again.

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        • AllRiseForTheJudge

          7 years ago

          He’s their #1 prospect because all their other #1 prospects are in the show. I agree that Sheff could have brought back something better than Paxton, but at the end of the day this probably means the ask for Kluber and even Carassco was in the stratosphere.

          Likely would have cost Sheffield, one of Andujar or Torres and then some, which I think we can both agree would have been way more of an overpay than Sheffield + a couple middling non-prospects for Paxton.

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    • mikeyank55

      7 years ago

      Hey Jake,

      There’s a logical explanation that was offered by your mother as to why you are so irrational about everything Yankees. She has asked for our help because it appears you have taken a few of your sister’s thongs and have started wearing them. Dude-its cutting off the circulation to your brain. Mom said that all will be forgotten as long as you return them before Thanksgiving you turkey.

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  50. HalosHeavenJJ

    7 years ago

    Sheffield probably won’t be as good as Paxton is right now, but 6 years of him plus some other prospects for 2 years of an increasingly expensive Paxton is a good deal.

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  51. jmi1950

    7 years ago

    The reason Cashman did not call Sheffield up in Sept was that he always planned to trade him. He knew that if he pitched badly in a Sept call up it would hurt his trade value.

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    • stymeedone

      7 years ago

      By that logic, if he pitched well in a September call up, it would have helped his trade value, and it currently was only enough to get two years of a frequently injured starter, when other prospects were included with him. This trade indicates that his value wasn’t all that much to begin with.

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    • jakethesnizake

      7 years ago

      He did call him up in September, Jml1950.

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    • southbeachbully

      7 years ago

      He did call him up. Yeezus.

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  52. redsfan48

    7 years ago

    Wow. If that’s all it took, I can’t believe the Reds didn’t jump on this. Maybe they can get Gray even cheaper now though, and then turn the focus to a deGrom/Thor/Kluber/Carrasco type for a relatively comparable deal.

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    • sameichel

      7 years ago

      Yep he is one of the only guys I would’ve been happy trading for

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    • JustOnePitch

      7 years ago

      Keep smoking redsfan48!

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    • southbeachbully

      7 years ago

      Why would Gray’s trade value decrease because they acquired Paxton? Cash had already let it be known he was trading Gray. The Paxton deal won’t make Cash ok with getting nothing in return.

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    • Slevin

      7 years ago

      Nope, Price remains the same, also Reds pitching coach is campaigning to get Gray, because of Vanderbilt history.

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      • sameichel

        7 years ago

        We need to sign Dallas to a three year deal, and Andrew Miller to two year deal, also sign aj pollock to a 1 year deal for him to regain the value that he lost when he got hurt, Dallas and the reds are a perfect match since he is a ground ball pitcher

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        • sameichel

          7 years ago

          Or if the market allows sign Nathan eovaldi as well instead of Andrew

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        • sameichel

          7 years ago

          If we don’t sign either Andrew or Nathan we should sign gio Gonzalez, as seen with the Astros since the Justin verlander trade (Gerrit cole went from being average with the pirates to being a perennial ace, Charlie Morton went from being below average to above average) all it takes is one guy for the rest of the rotation to figure stuff out, Dallas would be that kind of guy for the reds

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  53. kimball0401

    7 years ago

    The evil empire strikes again

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  54. strostro

    7 years ago

    Rotation of Severino,Tanaka,Paxton,Corbin and Sabathia is pretty solid

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    • justin-turner overdrive

      7 years ago

      I wonder if this means they won’t be after Corbin now, being that other teams with more payroll flexibility have spoken up about going hard at him.

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      • southbeachbully

        7 years ago

        More payroll flexibility than the Yankees? Assuming the Yanks don’t eat any money on Gray’s deal, Paxton’s likely arbitration number will be offset from Gray’s 2018 salary. No increase….maybe even a little saved.

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      • Slevin

        7 years ago

        Money is no roadblock to signing Corbin for the Yanks, but it most definitely is with the A’s though.

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      • Jbigz12

        7 years ago

        JT who has more flexibility than the Yankees? The Phillies? They’re probably the only ones with more cash to spend this offseason. Not sure how paxton’s 9 million dollar salary effects Corbin in the slightest.

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  55. angelsfan4life

    7 years ago

    Now we need a pole for how long before Jerry Dipsnot trades all three prospects, for a below average major league player

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  56. saavedra

    7 years ago

    Not a bad move, but Yankees got no discount, paying Justus Sheffield and more is definitely top price. He can end up outplaying Paxton.

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    • SirCheeto1

      7 years ago

      Or he could end up being a bust. Yankees needed a top of the rotation arm, and got one. Their window is now, so any prospect should be expandable.

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  57. andymeyer

    7 years ago

    Definitely a sense that the Yankees may now move away from pursuing Corbin and Keuchel and now all in on Machado

    Even with the trade for Paxton, they still need pitching help

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    • southbeachbully

      7 years ago

      So if you acknowledge they still need pitching then why would they now focus all their money (as if Manny was the only FA they could sign) on Manny and not other SP or other players?

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  58. HalosHeavenJJ

    7 years ago

    Paxton and Gray are slated to make nearly identical money. Paxton takes Gray’s rotation spot, the deal will work out to be cash flow neutral, and they’re still in position to pursue Corbin or Morton, or anybody they’d like.

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    • jdgoat

      7 years ago

      That kind of surprising Gray wasn’t part of the return then.

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      • HalosHeavenJJ

        7 years ago

        Seattle wants to clear payroll and acquire prospects. Gray does’t accomplish either.

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          Gray would’ve filled a rotation spot for Seattle and provided a mid season trade chip. He made some sense if he were included.

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      • deweybelongsinthehall

        7 years ago

        That’s what I thought JD so either Seattle refused him or more likely despite his lousy time at Yankee Stadium, he’s worth more to separately trade.

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  59. itslonelyatthetrop

    7 years ago

    Nothing ticks off the Empire more than a Red October.

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  60. Annihilus

    7 years ago

    This trade is good for both teams. What is great for the Yankees is they still have significant trade chips available. They gave up their top pitching prospect but still have several upper prospects that can get them another significant piece in trade. Next move, sign Corbin. Then trade for Paul Goldschmidt with Florial as a headliner in trade. And finally sign Machado.

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    • Bjoe

      7 years ago

      Wow. The arrogance of Yankees’ fans..,

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    • southbeachbully

      7 years ago

      So use our declining resources (prospects) to acquire a 1B on a 1 year deal when we already have an in-house option in Voit who has done nothing to make us think he couldn’t handle the job. Trade Florial, our only CF prospect in the upper minors with Hicks becoming a FA after this season. Then pursue Manny even though we have needs in the SP rotation, the bullpen and LF?

      Yanks need to be careful about their moves and I don’t see a trade for Goldscmidt happening.

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    • Astros2333

      7 years ago

      You already have Bird and Voigt!

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  61. bjupton100

    7 years ago

    Good trade. Mariners should continue down this line but also sign a couple free agents to either get over the hump, or more likely trade by the deadline.

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  62. Michael Talarico

    7 years ago

    No offense to Yankees fans, but you guys literally think everyone with talent in free agency is going to sign with the Yankees. The Yankees are a good team already and can just use their farm system to replenish any holes(mostly); especially after trading for Paxton. The Yanks need to stop throwing money at their problems because that’s what caused them to slump last time.

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    • connolly26

      7 years ago

      Where do you see the Yankees throwing money in this TRADE?

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      • Michael Talarico

        7 years ago

        No no no I ment in free agency. I think this trade is good for both the Yankees and Mariners. I was talking about how people keep saying all these top-name free agents will sign with the Yankees.

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    • southbeachbully

      7 years ago

      Who have the Yanks thrown money at the last 3 years? Aside from Chapman perhaps. The only position players earning more than $5 mil are Stanton, Ells, Gardner and DIdi.

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      • Michael Talarico

        7 years ago

        ?, The Yankees currently have 6 players making over $5 million. That includes Tanaka,Ellsbury,Sabathia,Stanton, Chapman, and Gardner.

        Plus they’re still paying off Alex Rodriguzes massive contract at $4000000 per year.

        If the Yankees want to not or barely go over the luxury tax, they need to shed some salary fast. Especially when you consider that Judge,Gregorious,Torres,and Sanchez will be asking for pay raises eventually(possibly to 7 figures each).

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        • Doug Dueck

          7 years ago

          ARod is not being paid as a player. His playing contract was completed last year which the Yankees bought out and had him work for management. Judge, Torres and Sanchez all have arbitration years left . Gregorius is in his final year. Settle down Michael.

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      • Michael Talarico

        7 years ago

        Oh I just read that you put position players only, my bad.

        Oh and I forgot to mention Gregorious is making over $5 million too, making 7 players.

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    • slider32

      7 years ago

      Slump, they reloaded without only missing the payoffs once! Cashman is a wizzard, Paxton has a projected WAR of 4.4 which is second to Sevy. Sheffield will never have a 4 WAR.

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      • Michael Talarico

        7 years ago

        By slump I mean 2013-2016. They were slipping to 3rd and 4th place in the division those years. The main cause of that was because the Yankees practically did the same thing the Phillies did; keeping past-their-prime old players like Teixura and Rodreguiz. They waited a little too long to replace the core and slumped as a result.

        I agree with you about Brian Cashman. The guys one of the best gm’s in baseball no dought.

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        • Jbigz12

          7 years ago

          Doubt. I don’t know what “dought” is brother that’s the first time I’ve ever seen that word.

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  63. JT19

    7 years ago

    Every team’s fans always overvalue their favorite team’s prospects until he is traded, when his value suddenly crashes and fans praise the deal as a steal. This entire year all you heard was how Sheffield was going to be a great pitcher and how he was close to untouchable in a trade. I’m not saying he’s going to be great nor am I saying he’s going to bad, but its amazing how many people jump off the bandwagon and trash him when they were probably begging the Yankees to call him up during the season.

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    • southbeachbully

      7 years ago

      Hmmm it seems like most of the ppl dogging Sheff are non-Yankee fans. Most Yankee fans act as if the sky is going to fall whenever a highly-ranked prospect is traded.

      But let’s make it clear. Sheff was not a product of Yankee hype. He was a top 100 prospect when we acquired him.

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      • billysbballz

        7 years ago

        Not true
        I’m a big tanker fan and love my prospects but I really like this move because I didn’t see Sheffield as more than a mid rotation arm and potentially a bullpen arm if he doesn’t fix control issues.

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  64. AllRiseForTheJudge

    7 years ago

    As a Yankees fan, I’m definitely a bit surprised that a guy with 6 years of control was moved for Paxton, who has two years left, will be on the wrong side of 30 on opening day, and would be a #3 starter on any team other than the Mariners or maybe the Marlins.

    I definitely think Sheffield could have headlined a deal for someone better, but I’m assuming this trade means Cleveland’s asking price for Kluber – and probably Carassco – is astronomical.

    What’s Cashman’s next move? Machado? Corbin? Someone else?

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    • Bjoe

      7 years ago

      The Yankees fleeced the Mariners on this deal

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    • southbeachbully

      7 years ago

      Wrong side of 30? He just turned 30 a week ago.

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    • turner9

      7 years ago

      He would have been the Jays ace also.

      So hard to root for the Yankees, but might have to every 5th day. I feel so dirty

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    • costanza

      7 years ago

      He’s a number 3 on very few teams. He’s a number 2 on both WS teams from last year. Where is he a number 3? Astros and Indians probably, kind of funny to say but the Mets. Not many other places.

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  65. rbachman22

    7 years ago

    Once Gray is gone by this weekend it’s on to either a Corbin FA Signing or a Kluber trade fronted by Andujar. That won’t happen for a while as Yanks have to line it up with Machado’s GG coming to NY.

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  66. lowtalker1

    7 years ago

    Don’t think anyone saw that coming

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  67. slider32

    7 years ago

    Another great move by Cashman, he trades for Paxton a top end lefty pitcher who is only making 9 million. This allows the Yanks to still sign Corbin and go after Machado or Harper. Cashman could go in the other direction and sign Murphy, and add a relief pitcher like Ottavino.

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    • lowtalker1

      7 years ago

      I don’t know I kinda think Seattle got the better end of things

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    • Astros2333

      7 years ago

      You know you can only field three outfielders? How many outfielders do you plan on having your 25 man roster?

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  68. Goose

    7 years ago

    People are getting out of their skis on this one. If Paxton can remain healthy it is a very good move for the Yankees. What hurt them is they didn’t do anything to improve the rotation last year. They must really be down on Sheffield helping this year or achieving similar levels as Paxton. On the surface it isn’t a bad deal for either team. Of course I said that when they hooked up on the Montero/Pineira trade and that blew right up. I would have like to see the Yankees go all in on a veteran ace. A rotation where Soriano and Paxton are 2, 3 respectively with a proven ace on top should get them past the Red Sox for the division. Their window is right now.

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    • southbeachbully

      7 years ago

      The Montero/Pineda trade was a bad trade for the Yanks ONLY if you consider who he may have fetched if they had moved him earlier. But since he’s playing in the Mexican league and the Yanks were able to get a few years out of Pineda then they sold high and while they didn’t get all they wanted from Pineda it’s better than if they held on to Montero and he ended up struggling like he has in Seattle, etc

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  69. justin-turner overdrive

    7 years ago

    Do Sheffield and Swanson go direct into the M’s rotation? Looks like it. Swanson had great numbers at AAA last year.

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  70. metseventually 2

    7 years ago

    Another train robbing move by Cashman. Unbelievable.

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    • jdgoat

      7 years ago

      I don’t know about that. This could blow up in either teams faces.

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    • Stevil

      7 years ago

      Yeah, it was. It’s November 19th and this was the best Jerry could haggle for? Sheffield’s legit, but this is underwhelming to say the least.

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      • Jbigz12

        7 years ago

        This was what Paxton was worth. He’s never pitched more than 165 innings. You can argue he’s had freak injuries or whatever you please but it’s a fact. We don’t know if Paxton can give you 200 innings at the level we’ve seen. There’s risk involved with him. Hence why Sheffield was the main piece. Not surprising at all. M’s fans had pie in the sky dreams on this guy and it just wasn’t reality.

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  71. batty

    7 years ago

    I feel like this line in the article “though they’ll still have ample financial flexibility to go after any available pitchers” is there just to keep those of us who had Corbin going to the Yankees in the contest away from bridges.

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    • slider32

      7 years ago

      Paxton with a 4.4 WAR just made the Yanks the best team on paper moving into the winter meetings. Cashman is a wizzard, top pitcher with a short term commitment.

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      • deweybelongsinthehall

        7 years ago

        The game is played on the field and unless Houston and Boston lose everyone and bring back no one, the Yankees are still the third best team in the AL. They certainly can win and Boston is not eight games better but they likely won’t have to be again. I highly doubt all three teams again win 100 games.

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      • Astros2333

        7 years ago

        ROFLMAO

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  72. Danny B.

    7 years ago

    If this is what the Mariners got for Paxton, then the ante on Syndergaard just went up. Never thought I’d say this, being a Mets fan & all, but thank you Brian Cashman. As for Brodie Van Wagenen, get to work and make that mega-trade involving Syndergaard that we deserve.

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    • baseball10

      7 years ago

      Braves will gladly take syndergaard for our best pitching prospect and two throw ins!

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      • Danny B.

        7 years ago

        I would only trade Syndergaard to the Braves for Acuna or Albies. Mets don’t need prospects. Let’s do Syndergaard, Gimenez, Nimmo, Frazier & Cash for Acuna & Austin Riley. Boom!!! Trade helps both teams, no doubt about it.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          7 years ago

          Danny B. I hope that was a joke because if not, the boom you heard was the reverb on all of the Braves’ fans together laughing like they were watching Seinfeld for the first time. Mr. B – No soup for you!

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    • deweybelongsinthehall

      7 years ago

      Danny B., I’m not so sure. Nice comparison. While Thor has an amazing upside, he also has an injury history. The Mets may think his value is far superior but decide to hold off until the deadline. If Thor remains off the DL and pitches up to expectations, he could be the top 07/31 trade target. Might also depend on the team. The Braves will likely have to overwhelm the Mets given they’re in the same division. Same with the Yankees (same city), Phillies and Washington. Might though be a good match with SD as has been mentioned but also the A’s, Houston, St. Louis or Cleveland.

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  73. Begamin

    7 years ago

    Wish they didnt give up Sheffield to be honest. They had a lot of pitching prospects to choose from, I didnt think they needed to part with their best one.

    Dipoto strikes again and Ninja Cash has made another move on the chess board. Wonder how it will all turn out in at least 2-3 years time.

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  74. Bjoe

    7 years ago

    Rich get richer.

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  75. 24TheKid

    7 years ago

    Dipoto just said they have an open mind to moving Diaz, Haniger, and Gonzalez. But they need to be blown away, so expect more to come from Dipoto.

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    • 24TheKid

      7 years ago

      Said it on 710 espn Seattle.

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      • baseball10

        7 years ago

        Wheeling dealing Jerry can never be counted out on anything

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  76. Stevil

    7 years ago

    Cashman picked Jerry’s pocket.

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    • Jbigz12

      7 years ago

      Not at all. The stros wouldn’t trade Whitley. This is what he was worth. They got the best pitching prospect they could. Sheffield is one of the top 7-8 pitching prospects in all of baseball. He’s major league ready and controllable for 5 seasons. Pax is a starter who we’ve yet to see for a whole season. He showed flashes of brilliance last year and his FIP and xFIP looked better than his ERA. As it has for the last 3 years. His HR rate spiked last year in Seattle. It wasn’t a huge number but it was nowhere near the elite number he had been producing. Is that going to improve in NY? I don’t know. Sonny gray certainly showed it’s not so easy to transition. There’s a lot more risk in Paxton than people were willing to account for in their proposed trades on these sites and it’s not all injury related risk.

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  77. Gordon Lightfoot

    7 years ago

    Good trade for the pinstripes. Ironic that Seattle is trying to rebuild on the fly, much as the Yanks did, and initiating the approach by trading with New York. Cashman no doubt recognized the dynamic.

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    • 24TheKid

      7 years ago

      Maybe Sheffield is the key to the quick rebuild…

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    • Jbigz12

      7 years ago

      I don’t think Seattle wants the complete tear down considering they’ve missed the postseason for 2 decades. Dipoto won’t last through a lengthy rebuild so if that was the route the M’s were going to take it was always going to be this one. Not a bad deal for them they got a high upside lefty with as much potential as the one they gave away. Whether or when he’ll hit that ceiling is anyone’s guess. Gonzales and Sheffield make for a good start to a rotation. They’re just in a tough spot with their basically barren farm.

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  78. Priggs89

    7 years ago

    Wasn’t Sheffield untouchable?

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  79. Niekro

    7 years ago

    Does the eagle come with him in the deal?

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  80. stansfield123

    7 years ago

    Meh. I guess it makes sense, at this price. The Yankees have a tough year coming up, because the Red Sox are still very strong (for one last year…after 2019, their goose is cooked, they traded away too much young talent).

    So I can see why the Yanks are trading a prospect for some short term value. They need all they can get to try and beat the Red Sox next year.

    But Paxton is no ace. He doesn’t solve our biggest need: someone we can be confident in when he takes the mound in the post season. Paxton is behind Sevy and Tanaka in the rotation. Behind Corbin, too, if they sign him. And he’s injury prone, so look forward to more dead payroll, on top of Ellsbury, Didi, Chapman, CC, and possibly Tanaka (who’s been defying predictions on when he’ll need surgery, but he can’t defy them indefinitely)

    Yankees still have holes. This is not the time to waste payroll on trophy signings like Machado or Harper, who play positions we’re covered at.

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    • southbeachbully

      7 years ago

      Ells is the only “dead money” guy that should be mentioned. CC performed well last year and is only signed to 1/$8 mil. I dare you to find someone comparable on the open market cheaper. Also, Didi might be “dead money” if the Yanks pick up his last arbitration year. But it’s not like Didi is a sunken cost because of poor performance. He’s been extemely underpaid the last 2 seasons relative to what he would get on the open market. Would not be shocked if the Yanks brought in a guy like Hechavvaria (pardon me if I spelled it incorrectly) and maybe renegotiate a 2 year deal for Didi for a less than his likely arbitration numbers.

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      • stansfield123

        7 years ago

        Dead money is dead money. If a guy spends time on the DL, he’s dead money during that time. All the guys I mentioned spent time on the DL this year, and are very likely to do it again in 2019. Ellsbury and Didi are guaranteed, CC and Chapman have chronic leg injuries, and Tanaka has a big enough health concern that they’re putting him on the DL over stuff other guys would pitch through no problem. Now we’ve got Paxton in the mix….a 30 year old who never pitched for a full season in his entire career. In fact he only pitched 2/3 of a season once.

        That’s not a problem for most clubs, because insurance pays for it, and the club can just spend the insurance money on a replacement. But the Yankees can’t, because they have to pay luxury tax on the dead money…and that luxury tax goes to the competition. So it’s foolish of them to keep adding injury prone players.

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        • southbeachbully

          7 years ago

          You have no idea what you’re talking about. Yanks have about $20 mil tied up into Ells and they still acquired Stanton. Part of Cashman’s plan was to collect a bunch of young assets that were going to be cheap in the near future. I’m not worried about a budget. Using Paxton as an example of “returning to the old wasys” is ridiculous. We’re not talking about a 35 year old has been. Also, Corbin as a FA is far more of a risk than Paxton, So if it’s ok to acquire a Corbin, or even a Happ then we should have no issue with this trade as the prospect cost probably is less than fair market value cost for a top SP.

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      7 years ago

      I don’t know where you’re getting any of that from. If you’re really a Yankee fan, you’d realize this is a steal.

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      • Bocephus

        7 years ago

        He’s obviously not.

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    • slider32

      7 years ago

      Forget it, Stanton is a Yankee! Cashman got him at a good price, average of 25 million a year. He has a no trade clause, and the Yanks were one of the teams he wanted to go to. He turned down a trade to Giants last year.

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    • David C

      7 years ago

      How is the Red Sox’s “goose cooked” after 2019, and this business about them trading away “too much young talent?” The headliner in the Sale deal looks like a mess, the second big name, Kopech, really really looked like a bust so far. In the Kimbrel deal with Padres, Margot the centerpiece also looks like a bust who was blocked at outfield anyway. Pomeranz cost the Red Sox a guy who had to have Tommy John’s and who will thus be on DL for next year and change. And while I miss Travis Shaw (Brewers got him in what ended up as a bad trade for Sox), Devers was always their future at 3B, and still is.

      When 2019 expires, the Red Sox will still have Mookie Betts, Andrew Benentendi, Xander Bogaerts, Jackie Bradley, Jr., David Price, Eduardo Rodriguez, Rafael Devers, Dustin Pedroia (and if not, insurance will offset much of his contract) and Matt Barnes under continued control beyond 2020.

      The Red Sox are a wealthy team (one of games top 3 revenue earners) with a load of bad contracts expiring after 2019 (Sandoval, Castillo, etc.). Their ownership group will give the green light to spend, I guarantee you, and plug holes.

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  81. baseball10

    7 years ago

    I like the deal for the Yanks. Those prospects on the big east coast markets tend to be overrated as a whole. Paxton is a proven force with moderate cost. The other two prospects are throw-ins. Rich get richer is the way i see it and im not close to anything resembling a yankees fan

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  82. Yanks2

    7 years ago

    I predicted this today

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  83. Balk

    7 years ago

    This pitcher is going to get smashed in that ballpark! Lol!

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      7 years ago

      Very mature and informative post.

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      • Balk

        7 years ago

        Ummm, ok, 326 ft and 331ft down the lines in Seattle, to 318 at Yankee stadium. Most of dudes homers he gave up in 2018 were down the left field line. Gave up 23 homers last year. Good luck. Lol was that informative for ya!? Or was that immature?! Lol he’s going to get roasted in that ballpark.

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  84. DarkSide830

    7 years ago

    might just be 0-3 now

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  85. Adriann

    7 years ago

    We need to win the division and beat the Sox and this doesn’t help. We needed solid innings in the second half and some good innings in the post-season and only one starter pitched 5 innings(Tanka) in the ALDS. He at best will look like Sale and pitch 170 innings than flame out and maybe be spot starter/reliever in the post season. This doesn’t make us better against the Sox as Happ has better better than Happ the last 3 years:/

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    • southbeachbully

      7 years ago

      Doesn’t help. Essentially, he takes Gray’s spot in the rotation. How is that not an improvement? I still think they’ll go after another TOR pitcher.

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      • thegreatcerealfamine

        7 years ago

        It is a vast improvement. wtf is up with these people?

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        • billysbballz

          7 years ago

          No Baseball IQs on here!

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  86. SoCalADRL

    7 years ago

    I’m actually more surprised Dipoto added a prospect instead of trading one

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    • Blue Baron

      7 years ago

      He didn’t. Paxton is the only player he gave up.

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  87. David ellis

    7 years ago

    Remember when The Yankees and their fans didn’t want to trade for Gerrit Cole if Sheffield was in the deal? Now they got an older less accomplished player for him. Morons

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    • 24TheKid

      7 years ago

      Do you think that the fact that Yankee fans didn’t want to give up Sheffield impacted Cashmans decision?

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    • southbeachbully

      7 years ago

      No. I remember they didn’t want to give up Frazier AND one of Andujar and Sheffield. And keep in mind that was before Frazier had the concussion and was a top 50 prospect just looking for a chance to crack the OF.

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    • jmi1950

      7 years ago

      Cashman’s two bonehead moves:

      1. Not blocking Verlander in August 2017;

      2. Not getting G Cole.

      May have cost NYY 2 WS.

      Most moves have pro’s and con’s but those two were all pro and no con.

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      • 24TheKid

        7 years ago

        It definitely cost them the 2017 World Series, don’t know about 2018 though.

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      • Begamin

        7 years ago

        Hindsight 20-20 strikes again.

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        • jmi1950

          7 years ago

          Actually if you go back and check the comments from July 2017 you will see I argued that Houston should over pay for Verlander.

          If you check the comments from early 2018 you will see I argued that both Hou and the NYY should over pay for G Cole because he was the only SP difference maker available and could be the finally piece for either.

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      • Bocephus

        7 years ago

        “May have” enough said…

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      • southbeachbully

        7 years ago

        I don’t think you can look at it that way. The same way Sonny Gray excelled in Oakland but struggled in NY shows it can happen in any situation. And if the Yanks had traded top prospects for then then 34 yo Verlander with 2/$56 left on his contract people would criticize that the Yanks were pulling a Boss circa 1986 move. And I truly think that Cole came into his own because he pitched along side of a similar power pitcher in Verlander. Shoot….Phil Hughes might have been a stud if he played somewhere else early in his career. You just can’t factor in the “unknown”.

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        • Begamin

          7 years ago

          The Astros coaching staff has turned around so many pitchers for the better. Because of this, its hard to say that if the Yankees got a hold of either of the two that they would have pitched as well as they have for the Astros. I mean, the Astros were able to make Charlie Morton good, they can seemingly make any pitcher realize their potential.

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  88. kenly0

    7 years ago

    I’d take 6 years of Sheffield over 2 from Paxton.

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  89. bernbabybern

    7 years ago

    I think it’s a good trade for both sides.

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  90. doxiedevil

    7 years ago

    Yankees want to be in World series in 2019, not 2023

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    • stymeedone

      7 years ago

      They’re the Yankees. They want to be in the World Series in 2019 AND 2023, and the years in between. Still, I would have preferred the 6 years of Sheffield, because he is ready now. It’s not that he wouldn’t have been ready for a couple years. Paxton will do well for NY, but Seattle, in my opinion, did better.

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  91. Mark Drzewiecki

    7 years ago

    This trade is more about the money. $9 million for Paxton vs $20+ million for Corbin. With Sonny Gray being traded the salary is a wash for Paxton. Yankees are gearing up to spend.

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    • Begamin

      7 years ago

      Yeah, theyre gonna spend on Corbin. They were already geared to spend before the trade.

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    • billysbballz

      7 years ago

      Corbin will be a Yankee and the Yanks will also look at Kikuchi. Gonin with 6 starters makes a ton of sense.
      CC
      Severino
      Tanaka
      Paxton
      Corbin
      Kikuchi

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      • Astros2333

        7 years ago

        That rotation doesn’t look great.

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        • Begamin

          7 years ago

          In what way? Its a bit unorthodox with the 6-man thing going on but its not a bad rotation.

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        • Astros2333

          7 years ago

          Sevy imploded late last year after a strong start, CC and his knee are not reliable, Paxton is possibly on the verge of a full season, but still has yet to reach over 160 innings, Tanaka is going the wrong way after a strong 199 innings in 2016, and Corbin is not AL east tested after dealing with the bottom of the NL west. Don’t forget he’ll have to deal with another hitter in the AL with the DH.

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  92. CompanyAssassin

    7 years ago

    YUCK.

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  93. HankMoody

    7 years ago

    Hahahaha!!! “the Yanks now appear unlikely to pursue more than one additional starter” We have Severino, Tanaka, and now Paxton … but the Yankees are unlikely to pursue anyone else. Right. CC will be an “opener” or a 3-4 inning reliever, or a spot starter in the 6 or 7 spot for when someone goes down or needs rest. We’ll be making at least one, probably two more big splashes.

    Also, keep in mind that we never know exactly what Cashman is up to. Paxton is worth more than Sheffield at this point. He could turn around and trade Paxton for an even better arm!

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  94. some guy 2

    7 years ago

    What are the odds Swanson outperforms Sheffield for the M’s? Not too shabby, I think.

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  95. coocoo

    7 years ago

    Who is a better pitcher Paxton or Sherri elf?

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    • luclusciano

      7 years ago

      Sherri elf is hard to see as she can throw a ball with a little Christmas magic reaching about 158 on her slider. In seriousness – as of today – Paxton. He has proven himself on the major league level and is affordable. For a 2019 outlook – Paxton wins this over Sheffield.

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    • turner9

      7 years ago

      What are you up to? How’s your phone auto correcting Sheffield to Sherri elf.

      Can learn alot about people from their auto correct

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      • Bob Knob

        7 years ago

        Sherri Elf … actress born in 1975 in St. Louis MO
        …… no great TV or Movie roles …known for Dancing Mom in Buick commercials in early 2000’s

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      • coocoo

        7 years ago

        Wow. You looked that up. Hope santa brings you a life for Christmas

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  96. coocoo

    7 years ago

    Sheffield

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  97. driftcat28 2

    7 years ago

    This deal probably takes them out of a Kluber deal. I think they can still get Corbin and Happ though

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    • luclusciano

      7 years ago

      Just one or the other. Can’t imagine them picking up 2 more lefty starters.

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  98. johnsonjack87

    7 years ago

    If They Wind Up Signing Patrick Corbin & Re-Signing J.A. Happ,After Already Re-Signing C.C. Sabathia,Then What Will Their Rotation Look Like Next Year?

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    • andrewgauldin

      7 years ago

      Well it will include Corbin, Paxton, Happ, and Sabathia. I mean you’re 4/5 of the way there bro, figure it the hell out.

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      • Perksy

        7 years ago

        I’d like them to also doing Corbin and Happ. But what happened to Severino and Tanaka?

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  99. ⚾The Heater from Van Meter⚾

    7 years ago

    Get ready Gary Sanchez, Paxton is known to throw more than a few WP’s.

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  100. chino31

    7 years ago

    Sheffield reminds me of Tom Gordon. Hyped up as a starter but probably end up in the pen as a seventh or eight inning reliever. But nothing wrong with that. Bullpen arms made decent money in the league.

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    • billysbballz

      7 years ago

      I kind of agree.

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  101. juicemane

    7 years ago

    Dipoto is running this franchise into the ground….horrible trade could of gotten more

    How could he be trusted after what he did in Anahiem?

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  102. titanic struggle

    7 years ago

    And the rich get richer. One day, there will be 5-6 teams left in the US and the rest scattered throughout the world. The game I love is gone, thank God I’ll be dead before I see it…

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    • hogan78

      7 years ago

      The game you love is soccer?

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      • painterman360

        7 years ago

        Lol

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    • MetsYankeesRedSox

      7 years ago

      Watch LPGA if you feel that way.
      That Lexi Thompson is eye candy.

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  103. bobtillman

    7 years ago

    We don’t know the physicals on Paxton, but the return strikes me as a little light. Not a lot light….just a little. It would seem that in a starter-starved market, JDP could have gotten a bit more.

    That said, this can only be the first step for the Spanks. Neglect the final standings; like a football game that starts of 45-0, and winds up 45-30, it was never as close as the score indicated. The Spanks got a decent starter; how much better Paxton is is TBD. And he’s gonna miss the defense in Seattle.

    But the Yanks need AT LEAST another starter, and some bullpen-ers. Otherwise, it’s just another race to the Wild Card.

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      7 years ago

      Or maybe the Red Sox don’t play out of their minds this year. Oh and there’s plenty of wholes on the Sox, and that’s why they play the games, Bobby.

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      • Blue Baron

        7 years ago

        How many whole, complete holes are there?

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        • Slevin

          7 years ago

          Jelly in your belly.

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    • xabial

      7 years ago

      James Paxton got you the Yankees’ #1 ranked Prospect. Count your blessings. James Paxton. Lol.

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  104. billysbballz

    7 years ago

    Love life love this trade for the Yankees. Sheffield is one of the best you g left handed arms in the minors but his ceiling was possibly a mid rotation arm and at his small stature who knows. We needed a pitcher like Paxton to plug into the number two spot. Nice trade for both teams but as a Yankee fan I’m happy no Frazier, Florial, Abreu, etc.

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    • slider32

      7 years ago

      Agreed, Paxton has a projected 4.4 WAR.

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  105. surfguru

    7 years ago

    How about this? Yanks trade Stanton to the Dodgers for Bellinger, then sign Harper and one more pitcher.

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    • Blue Baron

      7 years ago

      Why would the Dodgers do that?

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      • Slevin

        7 years ago

        Because he said so, Stewey Met.

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      • billysbballz

        7 years ago

        They wouldn’t
        Lol

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    • toomuchpie

      7 years ago

      A “Stanton to LA” trade proposal…how original.

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  106. debubba

    7 years ago

    He gave up 23 homeruns last year in a pitcher friendly park. Expect that number, and his ERA to climb.

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  107. Knowthemarket

    7 years ago

    When it’s a Yankees thread, you know it’s going to fill up fast. Almost 300 posts in 2 hours.

    I took a look at Paxton’s injury history and it’s interesting. Among his injuries that have side lined him;

    2 back injurie
    3 finger injuries
    3 left forearm (one was pitch hit back at him)
    1 Pectoral Muscle

    This is obviously not detailed but what should be striking is that none of these are shoulder or elbow ligament issues. The only issue he had last year was pneumonia. It’s encouraging that none of the other issues, such as his fingers or forearm issues resurfaced.

    This is a high risk/high reward trade that Cashman decided was worth it. Even if this move flops I can see why he pulled the trigger. If they sign Corbin which seems like a really good chance, the Yankees will have a formidable rotation on paper.

    1 Pneumonia

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    • Perksy

      7 years ago

      High risk because of the injury history, but low risk because he is 2 years under control so no big commitment with him. Much like Gray

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  108. SoCalBrave

    7 years ago

    Yankee fan before Paxton trade: “Sheffield is untouchable! He’s the best pitching prospect ever!”
    Yankee fan after Paxton trade: “Sheffield is overrated and a bad guy that screwed over his own agent, if he’s lucky he’ll be a mediocre relief pitcher”

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    • bobtillman

      7 years ago

      ,,,,Red Sox coulda had him for Swihart……

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    • Astros2333

      7 years ago

      Took the words out of my mouth.

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    • baseballpun

      7 years ago

      Glad someone said it.

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    • yanks02026

      7 years ago

      No one said he was untouchable but nice try.

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    • rocky7

      7 years ago

      How about this….before the trade SoCalBrave didn’t know snit, SoCalBrave after yankee trade still doesn’t know snit.
      There isn’t a substantial fan base that comments on this site that doesn’t play homer about their major league team’s personal and their farm teams personal also.
      Its called being a fan and if you can’t take it then use your west coast attitude to_____________

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      • JKB 2

        7 years ago

        But SoCalBrave nailed it. What he said was true. You do not even deny it. You just justify it. Good trade for the Yankees but SoCalBrave was dead on in his comment. If you cant handle the truth thats your problem not his.

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    • billysbballz

      7 years ago

      Nahhhh that’s not Yankee fans. Most Yankee fans like Holl our young prospects but see Sheffield as a work in progress and Paxton ceiling as higher. Paxton is a solid 2. Not an Ace but a solid 2.

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  109. Frank kemble

    7 years ago

    Phillies need to swoop in and sign Corbin, now that the Yankees have added Paxton. Sheffield is a nice building block for the Mariners..

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  110. hogan78

    7 years ago

    Paxton is what Sheffield aspires to become. Until he does that and assuming Paxton stays healthy and effective, the Yanks win this one.

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    • billysbballz

      7 years ago

      Sheffield is not Paxton or Paxton life. Sheffield is small and lacks above average control. If he is a Johann Santana lite then Seattle did very well here but I’m guessing he’s either a mid rotation arm or a valuable bullpen piece.

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    • Markdashark

      7 years ago

      Assuming that he stays healthy??? Lmao

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  111. IjustloveBaseball

    7 years ago

    Dang, what a deal for the Mariners. Getting Sheffield alone is quite the score, but the other two pieces Seattle received have some promise too, based on their numbers in the minor leagues.
    Not saying the Yankees got fleeced here though. Paxton is a guy with elite stuff who is capable of pushing the Yankees rotation over the top if he’s right. Health wise yeah, Pax hasn’t been a star of durability, but you never know, maybe he puts the injury bug behind him. If James Paxton can even make 55ish starts over the next two years, he should still provide excellent value for the Yankees.

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  112. Danny B.

    7 years ago

    Okay, word is that the Astros are desperately trying to add a top of the rotation SP via trade vs free agent signing. Even though a Syndergaard for Correa trade, straight up makes a lot of sense, I have a more realistic proposal. I want people’s honest opinion if you would do this trade if you were the Mets and/or Astros. Here we go:

    Astros get: Noah Syndergaard

    Mets get: J.D. Davis, Josh James, Myles Straw & J.B. Bukauskas

    Now think about it. The Astros get an Ace caliber pitcher to pair with Cole while holding onto their core roster and without giving up any of their top 3 prospects. Now for the Mets, this one trade does four things for them. Gives them a solid, cheap & controllable option at 3B, gives them an instant replacement SP in Josh James, gives them a possible leadoff hitter in Straw and even might supply the Mets with a potential closer in Bukauskas. I think this trade makes a ton of sense.

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    • Bruin1012

      7 years ago

      I don’t see a Syndergaard trade not headlined by one of their two best prospects. I might be wrong but just don’t see it. It would need to fronted by Whitley or Tucker plus to get Thor.

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      • Danny B.

        7 years ago

        I would love Whitley but hearing that he & Tucker are untouchable.

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        • billysbballz

          7 years ago

          Are you a mat fan???? If sooo you need to root for another team.

          Reply
        • JKB 2

          7 years ago

          Danny B. You heard they are untouchable so you do not bother to ask or demand at least one? Well then tell the Astros there is nothing to talk about! Do not settle for lesser prospects. You do not think other teams will pony up some better prospects than what you wanted to settle for?

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      • rocky7

        7 years ago

        Bruin1012…..hey man you’re really being too kind to this DannyB with his brainiac trade proposal for his Astros and the NY Muts!
        His proposal is idiotic and even Mets management isn’t that stupid.

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      • rocky7

        7 years ago

        Even the Mets aren’t stupid enough to sell cheaply…..your darn right that either Whitley or Tucker would have to headline, with additions, to get Syndergaard.
        Hey Astros, your not going to get another dumbass move like Pittsburg’s for Cole…..lightning doesn’t strike twice like that!

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        • Danny B.

          7 years ago

          My proposal is far more educated than anything you’ve ever said. Stop trolling.

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      • JKB 2

        7 years ago

        Bruin now that is a trade that make sense

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    • Astros2333

      7 years ago

      I don’t know what Thor’s contract but if he has two years left then I may do that. James may hurt after seeing what he did this year.

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      • Danny B.

        7 years ago

        Syndergaard has 3 years left.

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    • rocky7

      7 years ago

      Wow, not a Mets fan but what a deal you propose for what I believe is your home town Astros….
      So your proposing the Astros give up garbage and get a top of the line Ace caliber ( I believe those are your exact words for Thor) pitcher.
      Possible leadoff hitters, potential closer, cheap and controllable option at 3B, and an instant bum replacement SP…..WOW you really must think Mets management can’t walk and think at the same time!

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    • Markdashark

      7 years ago

      Not a Mets fan or a stros fan. Just happened to see your proposal and wow….

      Never in a million years do the astros get him for that package lmao.

      Definitely going to take 1 of your top 2 and maybe both. But start with one and then your #3 and 4

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    • IjustloveBaseball

      7 years ago

      I actually think that would be a relatively fair trade for both sides. In the real world though, the Astros would likely have to include another upper-tier or elite prospect to get a deal done.

      I really like Josh James’ stuff, and players with Straw’s skill-set are all the more valuable in today’s all or nothing game. Bukauskas then gives the Mets a legit prospect which gives them a nice potential arm for the more distant future. the only one I’m not too high on is J.D. Davis. Based on his numbers in the majors so far, he sort of reeks of a AAAA player to me. However, it would be foolish to judge a guy based on 165 AB’s.

      All things considered, Syndergaard hasn’t been the healthiest pitcher the last couple of seasons (given the injuries though, you could argue the time missed has a silver lining) and both his K/9 and BB/9 were career worsts in 2018. Nonetheless, Syndergaard still has #1 type stuff and should continue being nothing less than a budding ace.

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      • Markdashark

        7 years ago

        The mariners were demanding an elite prospect for a 30 year old James Paxton, with an injury history as extensive and coming off a 3.76 era with horrible second half. There is no way in hell you get a 26 yr old Thor with 3 years of control left for anything less than one of your top prospects lol

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      • billysbballz

        7 years ago

        The Astros traded for Cole last season and got him for much less then what the Pirates demanded from the Yankees so I’m not sure where your facts are.

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        • Markdashark

          7 years ago

          Well cole the season he was traded is certainly not syndergaard

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    • JKB 2

      7 years ago

      Think about it. You are not getting Noah and keeping all of your top 3 prospects. No say NY Mets do that.

      Great deal for Houston. Lousy deal for Mets.

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  113. Chief Jay Strongbow

    7 years ago

    Wow—Now Dombrowski needs to make a big trade.

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    • Bald Vinny

      7 years ago

      Why? They’ve replaced JA Happ with Paxton. He’ll be Sonny Gray 2.0

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  114. Bald Vinny

    7 years ago

    This officially puts Cashman ahead of Dombrowski as a farm dumper.

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    • yanks02026

      7 years ago

      Thank you for showing who the clueless people are on this thread. Go troll somewhere else

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      • Bald Vinny

        7 years ago

        Couldn’t have done it without you.

        Here he is…. Clueless.

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  115. Bizzie

    7 years ago

    When did the Yankees become bargain shoppers, top 5 pitcher in the game available,but you get the injury proned Canadian?

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  116. stansfield123

    7 years ago

    I assume this means the Mariners are in full sell-off mode? If so, the Yanks should get Cano back. He’d be the only position player they need. Middle of the order lefty hitter, able to fill in in the middle-infield until Didi is back, then move to 1B or DH, depending on where the need is.

    And yes, I know he’s signed until age 40. That’s fine. The Mariners will pay for that, the Yankees wouldn’t have to take on all his salary.

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  117. Bald Vinny

    7 years ago

    Gotta feel for Sheffield in this deal. He was mlbpipeline’s #31 prospect prior to the trade. How many spots does this trade drop him? Lower 60s? Upper 50s? That Yankees shine is gone.

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    • billysbballz

      7 years ago

      It’s opposite
      I’ll bet you one season of not being allowed to comment on mob trade rumors that before the season starts he will not drop more then 5 spots and potentially may jump up 5!

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      • Bald Vinny

        7 years ago

        Deal. Is that an FBI snitch site?

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  118. bcjd

    7 years ago

    I hope this works out for NYY like the Michael Piñeda trade.

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  119. Bald Vinny

    7 years ago

    Yikes… Anybody look what happens when he doesn’t pitch in Seattle? Not pretty.

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    • Balk

      7 years ago

      Exactly

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  120. Nick W

    7 years ago

    Resign Happ for half of Corbin. Trade Andujar for Mad Bum. Sign Machado off season over.

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  121. Markdashark

    7 years ago

    As far as the yankee trade goes. It’s up in the air as to who wins it.

    I personally don’t think it’s good for the Yankees.
    I feel that Sheffield is ready to be slotted in a rotation this year and may actually be decent, stay healthy, and have 6 years of control at age like 23.

    Paxton is 30, had a terrible second half and absolutely can not stay on the field. Also with two years of control left and already making 9 mil.

    I just think the Yankees needed a #1 or 1A. And what they got is a completely unreliable pitcher who also pitches like a 1 sometimes and pitches like a 3-4 the other half when he is able to even pitch

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    • billysbballz

      7 years ago

      I have to disagree on everything you just stated. Sheffield has a good arm but he doesn’t have Paxton ceiling and most likely never will.

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      • Markdashark

        7 years ago

        Paxton’s ceiling is sort of irrelevant at this point because he has pretty much proved he can’t reach and maintain it.

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  122. Markdashark

    7 years ago

    So now the Yankees have

    Severino – terrible second half
    Tanaka -terrible most of the time
    Paxton – terrible second half and is injured constantly
    CC – probably just going to be average or worse

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  123. MantleBats

    7 years ago

    Good Pitcher , Overreaction Trade Move .
    Last years Gerritt Cole proposal that Cashman declined, still prob haunts him.

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    • billysbballz

      7 years ago

      No it Doesn’t haunt him. They wanted Andujar, Frazier, Sheffield for Cole. That doesn’t haunt me!
      Maybe it haunts you?

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  124. Dutch Vander Linde

    7 years ago

    Yankees went flea market shopping, traded for a pitcher who has never got more than 12 wins in a season. smh!

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    • Markdashark

      7 years ago

      It’s not even about the win total, he has never been able to stay healthy for more than 160 innings and he’s 30

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      • CincyMariner

        7 years ago

        Yeah, he just finished his 29 year old season, still in his prime and still valuable. If you are worried about innings pitched, we can keep Paxton and you can take Leake and his “solid” 185 IP. Oh, Leake isn’t as good? But it’s about innings pitched you said. Hmmm. Let’s see, 160 IP of front line caliber starter or 200 IP of an innings eater?!

        Let’s look at this another way, Paxton will give you 320+ elite innings in 2019 and 2020. That’s equal to 4 seasons of Josh Hader (best reliever in the NL, 2nd best in baseball) and you think that’s a problem?? What is the hell is wrong with you people. How much trade cost would Hader be worth at 4 seasons and $25M? Yet you get that production compressed over 2 seasons, while having Tanaka, Sabathia, and Severino eating innings to lessen the concern over Paxton. Not to forget the stud bullpen the Yankees will build, this alone makes almost all of his starts a win for the Yankees. Here’s the logic by fangraphs….

        fangraphs.com/blogs/get-ready-for-a-james-paxton-b…

        fangraphs.com/blogs/the-yankees-now-have-a-second-…

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        • Markdashark

          7 years ago

          Dude your comparisons are awful…

          First off James Paxton has thrown 160 innings once and it was last season, to the tune of a 3.76 era… so not sure where your getting any of those comparisons from? Elite? Assuming 320 innings over 2 seasons when he has only thrown 160 once.. just a lot of leaps. And I like I said 3.76 era is not elite, especially when he only even pitches good in Seattle.

          One other thing over the last 5 seasons, James Paxton averages about a 2.2 war per year… that’s not anything good or elite.. not even close..

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    • CincyMariner

      7 years ago

      Yeah wins, I forgot people still rank pitchers by a team based stat. By that logic Machado playing for Baltimore this past season was total crap, I mean his team couldn’t even win when he was playing. I guess some stupid team will pay him $30M over 5 years to suck since the Orioles couldn’t win with him. Suckers!!!

      (Sarcasm, dripping wet with sarcasm, calm down if you actually took this seriously)

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    • JKB 2

      7 years ago

      And deGrom had 10 wins and won the Cy Young so whats your point

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  125. rmullig2

    7 years ago

    The Mariners acquire the Yankees’ #1 prospect again. Let’s see how it works out this time.

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  126. Danny B.

    7 years ago

    Another great proposal involving Syndergaard is trading him to the Padres. Here we go:

    Padres get: Noah Syndergaard

    Mets get; Luis Urias, Franchy Cordero, Austin
    Hedges & Chris Paddack

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    • LADreamin

      7 years ago

      Crazy overpay by the Padres, especially since they’re not an ace away from a championship club and Syndergaard spends a lot of time on the DL.

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    • CincyMariner

      7 years ago

      No he sucks, Syndergaard has only pitched 183 innings once and has pitched less than 155 in his other three seasons, he’s a bum. If that was an offer for Syndergaard, the Mariners would’ve taken that and ran. Might be a good trade value for Segura and Colome. I doubt they’d dump that for a guy who has had real injury issues.

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  127. GarryHarris

    7 years ago

    I’m surprised Sonny Gray didn’t go to SEA.

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  128. Nick W

    7 years ago

    We need to make a deal for Grienke for Elsbury with $ exchanged

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    • billysbballz

      7 years ago

      Yep I like that move

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    • billysbballz

      7 years ago

      Add Gray and a few average prospects and have Arizona add Alex Avila.

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  129. ddj05

    7 years ago

    Is this their answer to Chris Sale?

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    • billysbballz

      7 years ago

      There is no answer for Chris Sale. He’s a superstar.

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  130. tigerbreak

    7 years ago

    This might work out for NYY, but I am not sure it works out for SEA. If Paxton is the same guy he was this year, it may help keep pace with with BOS. Shef has the pedigree, but doesn’t have a third pitch and might end up being a mid-range bullpen piece (not that there isn’t value there but…)

    If Dipoto had the courage to do it, he could have a top 3 farm if he blew it all up this year (Diaz, Haniger, Segura, Gonzales, Gamel)

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  131. antsmith7

    7 years ago

    M’s got fleeced as usual. How did we not get Clint Frazier???

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  132. Astros2333

    7 years ago

    Jerry just wanted a #1 prospect. Astros declined to include Whitley and rightfully so. He’s ranked 8th in the top 100 compares to Justus who is #31. I like that Paxton is a lefty and he’d easily be Houston’s #3 starter but he’s not worth Whitley and others.

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  133. aussiegiants53

    7 years ago

    Good move for the Yankees, guess they won’t try for MadBum now, which I’m ok with. Think they’ll still move Gray tho and go after another 4/5 guy

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    • billysbballz

      7 years ago

      Corbin and Kikuchi. 2 more lefties.

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  134. ullnvrknw

    7 years ago

    Yankees basically got a 18 million pitcher for half price. Can’t beat that. Building talent while managing their payroll. I’m sure Cashman analyzed his injury concerns. He has enough fill ins to cover him until he comes off the dl . They survived a whole season winning 100 games with fill ins. Paxton will be managed to be fully healthy by playoffs

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  135. Polar Girl

    7 years ago

    Trading Sheffield does not reduce the chances that the Yankees can also trade for Kluber since starting pitching is not the highest priority for the Indians like it was for the Mariners or Kluber wouldn’t be traded.

    The Indians need an outfielder and a closer as well as offense in general. The Yankees have plenty of closer potential prospects or could flip Gray in a three way trade for an Indians acceptable, proven closer if Yankees prospects aren’t acceptable. Adding Andujar and giving back Frazier in addition to the closer might be enough to land Kluber.

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    • billysbballz

      7 years ago

      I would rather sign Corbin to that last rotation spot and we know how Cashman works. You can never have enough pitching so sign Kikuchi also. Another nice left handed youngish arm. The Indians are gonna demand a small fortune for Kluber since they feel they maybe battling the Yanks in the playoffs.

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      • nitemare

        7 years ago

        Agreed Corbin or Happ is still needed. One more starter

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      • Adam6710

        7 years ago

        Frankly, I’d sign Corbin AND trade for Kluber if you can. Injuries will happen. One more starter is a necessity because they only have 4 at the moment, two are needed if the Yanks really want to make the team better (and move Sabathia to the bullpen).

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    • nitemare

      7 years ago

      Andujar is the best hitter on team. He stays..

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      • Slevin

        7 years ago

        “Andujar is the best hitter on the team” he is far from it. Andujar will be dealt if the Yankees decide to do so, and someone on the internet will never make that call.

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        • chino31

          7 years ago

          Think Gleyber will be the best hitter eventually.

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        • Bob Knob

          7 years ago

          Better hitter than Andujar … and certainly a better all-around baseball player

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        • Begamin

          7 years ago

          “Andujar will he dealt if the Yankees decide to do so”
          Wow what a profound realization. Hey guys, a player will be dealt if the team they are on wants to deal them wow guys incredible!!!! Yeah the Red Sox will deal Betts if they decide to do so too. Heard the Snell will be dealt if the Rays decide to do so too. Hmmmmmm

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  136. seth3120

    7 years ago

    This one surprised me from Dipoto. Not saying it’s a bad deal it’s just a change of gears. They’ve been chasing major league pitching for a couple of years now and now you give up Paxton for a top pitching prospect? Are they retooling, rebuilding, or does he have another move or two to make that will bring it all together. Maybe he’s going hard after a high end free agent starter idk I guess time will tell. He makes it interesting. I will say I thought the Cardinals fleeced him for O’Neil for Gonzalez and last I heard Gonzalez was a steady rotation piece and O’Neil was getting pretty regular time so I guess it worked for both. Can’t wait to see what happens next

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    • seth3120

      7 years ago

      Little harder to tank to when your predecessor went for it and didn’t come close. Fans can deal with a rebuild but going for it and sucking then rebuilding is like a decade lol

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    • billysbballz

      7 years ago

      Maybe they are in on Kikuchi and feel he can replace Paxton. I was hoping the Yanks signed Kikuchi.

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  137. seth3120

    7 years ago

    Love him or hate him Dipoto makes things interesting. Not afraid to make moves that make sense for both clubs and people can say what they want he inherited a dumpster fire he didn’t sign Cano to my knowledge. You don’t have to tank to rebuild the system

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    • qbass187

      7 years ago

      Hate him? He fleeced Cashman! He got a #1 pitching prospect for a 30+ yr old pitcher with a history of injury and minimal yrs of control left!! If you’re a M’s fan you gotta love this move!!

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      • Slevin

        7 years ago

        Kick rocks troll!

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        • Bob Knob

          7 years ago

          Kid Rock’s Troll ?
          Who could that be ?

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  138. joepanikatthedisco

    7 years ago

    8 months later: Jerry Dipoto trades Sheffield to Diamondbacks for Alex Avila and Steven Souza Jr.

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    • billysbballz

      7 years ago

      Yanks will be in on Avila next do Jerry gonna have to ask for someone else.

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  139. nitemare

    7 years ago

    Great move. Not impressed with Sheff. Kluber is a choke artist in playoffs

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  140. muskie73

    7 years ago

    Dom Thompson-Williams and Erik Swanson led Iowa Western Community College to the title in the 2014 Junior College World Series.

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  141. billysbballz

    7 years ago

    Wow look at the volume of comments the Yanks generate. Love it! Yankee U!

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    • mikeyank55

      7 years ago

      The Mets generate huge volume as well. The only thing is that the content is a mixture of Comedy and Denial and has entertainment value.

      Reply
  142. qbass187

    7 years ago

    Lol!! These are kind of stupid deals you make when you haven’t won jack in 10 years and you watch your biggest rivals win multiple titles!! #1 pitching prospect for a 30 yr old pitcher with only 2yrs control and a lengthy injutlry history?!?! Too funny too desperate.

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    • Slevin

      7 years ago

      wtf is ”injutlry”?

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      • Bob Knob

        7 years ago

        an ‘insulting injury’ ?

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    • ctguy

      7 years ago

      “Injutlry”. Too funny, too desperate, trying too hard

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  143. guille

    7 years ago

    One thing I keep reading here: Paxton has never thrown more than 160 innings in the majors. It doesn´t mean he CAN´T do it.

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  144. GarryHarris

    7 years ago

    I guess we’ll have to “wait and see” how good this trade was for each team. To me, it seems like a winner for both sides. On any given game, LHP James Paxton becomes one of the best LH in MLB. LH Justice Sheffield may be a little over hyped but, Erik Swanson may just be a quality starter before Shefield. I suspect that CF Dom Thomson-Williams could be the sleeper prize. I don’t understand why NYY didn’t take a look at him in their OF. Speed, power, LH hitter. Again, we’ll have to “wait and see”.

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  145. dust44

    7 years ago

    I like the trade personally. If Paxton can stay healthy he’s a power lefty in the middle of that rotation. Everyone calling for a ace is crazy. Sevy is an ace. U add Paxton to the 3rd starter spot and possibly Corbin and they r set on the rotation. Would b even better if they can add another righty starter and move CC to a long role or “6th” starter.

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  146. SierraM363

    7 years ago

    Hopefully :Paxton works out as well as Sonny Gray for NY.

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  147. justreading

    7 years ago

    funny though, the Yankees needed innings in the worst way in July and August and Sheffield was mentioned numerous times but the yanks stood steady and kept Sheffield down. at first I thought he was to be used in a 7/31 trade and they didn’t want to take a chance with a couple of mlb starts, but the “he wasn’t ready” stmnts started to get
    very sketchy. damn, cc was fatigued and couldn’t pitch in the heat, severino obviously had a problem and needed to take 10-15 days and figure it out – they needed a rookie “phenom” to step in and give them 5-8 starts and get them to October but Justus was no where to be found. why were they afraid to pitch him or were they afraid to show him to other teams against mlb pitching.
    I WILL TAKE PAXTON IN A HEARTBEAT!!
    and the yanks will still go after pitching – acquiring cc was just to spot pitch all year then gear him up in Sept and October

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  148. Adam6710

    7 years ago

    After a few days to reflect, im a lot more upbeat on this trade. a few reasons. For one, the market was never going to be as good as it is now. No major starter had been dealt or signed, so the price is as low as it’s going to get– as soon as guys like Paxton and Carrasco were moved, and Happ, Corbin, or Keuchel signed somewhere, the price for whoever remained would only go higher.

    The last thing Yankee fans would want is for Cashman to be holding his cards waiting for Kluber or Syndeggard, and deals for free agents that won’t break the bank– only to wake up on February 1st with Corbin on the Phillies, Happ on the Braves, Keuchel in beantown, Syndegarrd sporting a Blue Jays uni, and Paxton in Houston.

    Given the Yankees need for a minimum of two top starters, now was the time to grab one of the big names. For those who say Sheffield could have gotten more, I’ll respond by saying that…

    …a teams prospects are never more highly rated than by the fans– who only hear what their team’s GM is telling them. That Sheffield couldn’t alone headline a trade for Carasco says something.

    This was the time to strike. They gave up their best pitching prospect, but got one of the top names on the market and still have enough in the minors and on the ML roster to make a move or two.

    I would not be surprised to see them swing another big trade for a starter and still sign a guy like Corbin or Happ (or sign BOTH of the latter).

    As for Sheffield himself, I can name on one hand the number of Yankee prospects Cashman has traded away since 1998 that were ever regretted. Who has he let get away in the past decade? Mark Melancon, Ian Kennedy? Both of them took years to develop and only had a few seasons of all-star level play.

    I’m not saying Sheffield is guaranteed to be the next Jesus Montero, but the odds he becomes any better than Paxton are slim, and even if he DOES become an equivalent, the Yankees need that pitcher to win NOW.

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