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Quick Hits: Angels, Giants, Braves

By TC Zencka | December 12, 2018 at 7:34am CDT

GM Billy Eppler reiterated the Angels’ plan to build upon the growth of their farm system in 2018, per Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register. The plan is clear: build a Top-5 system, and then use their financial muscle to supplement (Fangraphs pegs their current farm as the 12th most valuable system in the league). The Angels aren’t out on all trade candidates, however, as Eppler makes an important distinction in stating that they haven’t traded anyone “impactful” from their farm. Deals that don’t require surrendering top prospects remain theoretically in play, though such a strategy likely won’t yield any of the sexier names being bandied about these winter meetings, such as Corey Kluber, Trevor Bauer or J.T. Realmuto. Fletcher suggests Sonny Gray, Francisco Cervelli and Julio Teheran as the types of trade targets that might be within their reach. These types of targets are likely better fits for their financial outlook as well.

  • Behind the leadership of President of Baseball Ops Farhan Zaidi, the San Francisco Giants will open their playbook to more modern pitching strategies next season, per Kerry Crowley of the Mercury News. A staff comprised of injury-prone veterans like Jeff Samardzija and up-and-comers potentially on innings limits (Dereck Rodriguez, Andrew Suarez) may lead manager Bruce Bochy to employ the Opener strategy or, as Zaidi puts it, “different forms of pitching staff constructions” in 2019. Bochy is a noted traditionalist in the dugout, but in lieu of finding five starters capable of pitching 200 innings, he and Zaidi will be forced to adapt by building a pitching strategy tailored to their current personnel. The Giants may still add to their stable of arms, but outfield is far-and-away the winter priority at this time, and they feel pretty good about where how the bullpen is currently constructed. That said, there has been considerably trade interest in Will Smith and Tony Watson, so the near-term outlook could change if a can’t-miss deal presents itself. Thus far, Zaidi is adhering to a patient approach in his first winter at the helm, which makes sense given the financial and talent makeup of the San Francisco roster.
  • The Braves lost out to division rival Philadelphia in the bidding for Andrew McCutchen, though Atlanta was never a serious contender once the price rose to include a third season, per MLB.com’s Mark Bowman. GM Alex Anthopoulos is perfectly content to wait until the new year before making any more additions, should that be what the market dictates. In the case of McCutchen, for instance, the Braves viewed the former Pirates outfielder as comparable to Carlos Gonzalez or Nick Markakis – corner bats that add value when secured on a shorter-term deal. They’ve vetted most outfielders available, and a bigger name like Michael Brantley is still in play for Atlanta, but the Braves aren’t eager to overpay for expediency at this stage of the winter. This mirrors the situation they faced earlier in the winter when they looked into possibly acquiring J.T. Realmuto. After feeling like the Marlins wouldn’t deal within the division, they moved on to free agent target Brian McCann. While the intra-division embargo seems to have passed, the Braves will not be reengaging the Marlins, as they secured a catching tandem they like, in McCann and Tyler Flowers, at a price they like.
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Atlanta Braves Los Angeles Angels San Francisco Giants Trade Candidate Alex Anthopoulos Billy Eppler Bruce Bochy Carlos Gonzalez Farhan Zaidi Francisco Cervelli Julio Teheran Michael Brantley Nick Markakis Sonny Gray Tony Watson

White Sox Notes: Harper/Machado, Rotation, Catcher
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  1. justinwatry

    6 years ago

    First

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  2. Rumncoke

    6 years ago

    Sounds like the Braves aren’t in it to win it. These outfielders are waste money

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    • bravesfan

      6 years ago

      I disagree with the first part of your statement, but I do agree with the 2nd part. I would rather them spend their money on pitching honestly

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    • samthebravesfan

      6 years ago

      You consider that they’re trying to make the best of a “bad” situation?

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      • GaryWarriorsRedSoxx

        6 years ago

        Any situation you’re in is one YOU created.

        Reply
    • Robertq50

      6 years ago

      Why – you want McCutchen at 3 years/50 mil?

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    • ckguffyiii

      6 years ago

      They didn’t sign any of these corner outfielders yet lol

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    • gmenfan

      6 years ago

      Losing out on Cutch at that price is a blessing. Consider it well played by the Braves.

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  3. Braveslifer

    6 years ago

    The asks for true talent is out of this world and will come back to earth come January…

    Reply
  4. Dock_Elvis

    6 years ago

    Angels wont get Sonny Gray without flaunting those “sexier” prospects. Yankees asked for Trammell from the Reds.

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    • cuscus85

      6 years ago

      Not really sure anyone would really trade for one year of Sonny Gray after a down season and his $9 million salary for a top tier prospect.

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    • imindless

      6 years ago

      Howd that work out for yankees?

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    • mrnatewalter

      6 years ago

      If that’s what the Yankees are settling for, it’ll be a long winter.

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    • Robertq50

      6 years ago

      Yankees will come down – that request is ridiculous – Gray is in last year of contract and will fetch a lower level prospect

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    • He was traded thata way.

      6 years ago

      Yankees can ask for whatever they want. Doesnt mean theyll get it.

      Only reason cashman is asking for a guy lile trammel is so he can save face on the gray deal. Cashmans hoping someones stupid and desperate enough to do it.

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      • mrnatewalter

        6 years ago

        I don’t want to know what it requires in the offseason to become desperate for Sonny Gray….

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        • arc89

          6 years ago

          Its called getting the best player. Of course the yanks will ask for top prospects but unless a team caves in they will not get it. The closer to spring training the prices drop not just for Gray but every player on the trade market.

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        • jimmyz

          6 years ago

          It’s in the Yankees best interest to move gray sooner than later in my opinion. Once the remaining free agents and trade candidates are gone there will only be a few teams with as much of a need in the rotation and Sonny Gray isn’t the huge difference maker that teams will be desperate for to give up truly significant prospects for one season.

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        • Gnotorious

          6 years ago

          I disagree. Once spring training starts, injuries start happening, and new needs arise. They are fine playing the long game for now.

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        • badco44

          6 years ago

          Interesting, the Yanks are desperate to kick Grey to the curb and now being picky

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    • bencole

      6 years ago

      Sure they’ll get Sonny Gray without flaunting those sexier prospects. I’d be surprised if a Gray brought back a single organizational top 10 prospect.

      Reply
      • bencole

        6 years ago

        *they can get

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  5. cuscus85

    6 years ago

    Angels going back to the Bill Stoneman playbook of hanging onto everyone. I like it. Angels have a lot of great talent coming up soon.

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    • angels4life 2

      6 years ago

      I agree. All they need to do is add a few reliable SP’s and the offensive is good enough to keep them competitive.

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  6. brave from the woods

    6 years ago

    I think a lot of the anxiety for a lot of Braves fans is that they’ve been down the road before where things stayed quiet and then the mediocre “settle for” players get signed and mediocrity continues.

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    • Braveslifer

      6 years ago

      Agreed

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    • bravesfan

      6 years ago

      Very true.

      Reply
    • Robertq50

      6 years ago

      Problem is all the free agents are risks and dont want to overpay on a long term contract – Brantley is injury prone as is Pollack – could see if was a great outfielder out there but there isnt.

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      • benjaminharvey26

        6 years ago

        But without taking said risks, there is a smaller window for reward. Who knows, this could be a year where Pollock does not have a freak injury and puts up his projected numbers; or Brantley has a consistent year from the left side. The Braves need to sock the Phillies in the mouth whilst they still can, and settling for Adam Duval is not how you go about that.

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        • petfoodfella

          6 years ago

          The Braves don’t have a problem w/ Philly. If Philly gets Harper/MM or both, sure, then Atlanta will have an uphill fight.

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        • WouldSettleForWildcard

          6 years ago

          Spending more than 10% of your payroll on Cutch is also not how you go about it. There’s no use complaining about the Braves not buying Cadillacs when you know they’re only budgeted for a nice Ford or two. As for taking risks, they already landed Donaldson. I’m not sure we fans have reasonable expectations for these mid-market teams.

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  7. Jacob Sizemore

    6 years ago

    Seems as though Markakis will be back in the outfield for Atlanta this year. 2 year/$24 million?

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    • Rumncoke

      6 years ago

      Waste of money

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    • petfoodfella

      6 years ago

      I could handle that, but I think $12m is a bit high. I’d love to see him back for $8-9m for 2 years. I think he can be useful to Atlanta’s lineup.

      Unless Atlanta swings a trade w/ Seattle, I really don’t see much else coming available.

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      • Straight Outta Idaho

        6 years ago

        I like Markakis as a No. 2 hitter in Atlanta’s lineup. His bat doesn’t fit in the No. 4 spot because he isn’t going to put up 30 HRs. But he is a smart hitter. Hits for contact. And he hits a lot of doubles. He can take a pitch or two and hit with two strikes. These attributes all scream 2-hole. I’d take Markakis back on a 2-year contract at $16 to $18 million over those two years.
        Consider:
        1. Acuna
        2. Markakis
        3. Freeman
        4. Donaldson
        5. Albies
        6. Inciarte
        7. Flowers/McCann
        8. Swanson
        9. Pitcher

        That’s not a bad little lineup. Power in the heart of it. Speed in the 4 and 5 holes to manufacture some runs if the big boppers don’t come through. If a pitcher makes it past Freeman and Donaldson, it’s not like he can breathe easily with Albies and Inciarte.
        I like it.

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    • elmore80

      6 years ago

      Jez! That’s more than he was making when he was here. If Brantley is too expensive I’d rather go to the Dodgers for an outfielder and Wood. Castalonos is the one the Braves should get! He can flat out hit. 46 doubles and 89 rbi’s Imagine him hitting 4th behind FF.

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  8. christian18cutshaw

    6 years ago

    Dont want Carlos Gonzales. Nick Markakis only if we trade Ender. Wouldn’t mind picking up Joey Gallo and Leclerc from the Rangers and packaging Ender for for Kluber and signing Markakis maybe 2 yr deal for Markakis by the time his contract is up maybe Pache, Waters or Jenista will have panned out by then. and a big bench bat. Maybe Gattis and/or Duda.

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    • petfoodfella

      6 years ago

      Gallo? he of 200+ K’s a season?

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      • benjaminharvey26

        6 years ago

        Yeah—no need for Gallo. If it is a less than stellar defender that you want, go with Castellanos. The guy is really quite underrated with the bat; a natural hitter with immense opposite field pop. As noted above, if you don’t mind having a defensive black hole with Gallo, I would go with Castellanos.

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    • He was traded thata way.

      6 years ago

      Enders gonna be like the 3rd or 4th piece in a kluber deal with wright and possibly riley or another mlb ready piece going to cleveland.

      Reply
  9. therealryan

    6 years ago

    The Angels need to speak with Trout and find out what his level of commitment is to the team. If he wants to be retire an Angel, they need to sign him now to a 10 year/$400-500 million extension that will keep him through his age 38 season and then continue on this planned path. If he won’t sign, the risk of losing him in two years for nothing would be a huge blow. If the Angels called up the Yankees, Phillies, Mets, etc. right now and dangled Trout, they could have their pick of any and all young MLB players and/or prospects. Combine that return with their current farm and they could be good again in 2-3 seasons. If Trout walks, they’ll have 2 seasons in the 82-84 win range and then 3-5 seasons in the 78-80 win range as they continue to rebuild their MLB team without the league’s best player.

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  10. BrewCrew1302

    6 years ago

    Angels better get serious about getting better. Show Trout that they are for real or hes gonna bounce out in free agency

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    • bkbkbk

      6 years ago

      Trouts new deal will be 21-31’. Definitionally Epplers hard line IS the most effective way to show Trout, we gonna be good.

      With Artes ego/checks and the Angels young core is be shocked if trout left. Sorry Phil’s fans.

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  11. petfoodfella

    6 years ago

    I’d say Atlanta won that one, w/ MCutch. Especially at 3/50.

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    • BrewCrew1302

      6 years ago

      Cutch is still a threat at the plate, but 50 million for 3 guaranteed years is excessive imo

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  12. Braveslifer

    6 years ago

    What are the chances of Atlanta getting LT Realmuto and letting Pache getting some experience this year??

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    • Braveslifer

      6 years ago

      JT, my apologies…

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      • Weather Report of Atlanta

        6 years ago

        The Braves are getting a left tackle from the Dolphins? Pretty sick..

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        • slowcurve

          6 years ago

          The window of converting spelling error to pun is closed once acknowledged by OP. It’s rule 973a in the online forum handbook.

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        • bobtillman

          6 years ago

          …Nah, they’re getting Lawrence Taylor……

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    • BrewCrew1302

      6 years ago

      Not very good. JT looks like a for sure thing to the Mets, just taking some time. No way they allow him to go to a rival, the Mets. Hoping my Brewers finalize a deal for Ramos. Hes an underrated catcher with some pop in the bat.

      Reply
  13. sperry5

    6 years ago

    No need to overpay for any FA outfielder on the market… Kakes is the ultimate fallback plan if you can’t improve via trade. Riley and Camargo plan to see some OF action in ST. Why not take a flier on a Cargo and see what he can do if healthy, atleast a lefty bat off bench that’s a threat

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    • southi

      6 years ago

      I think I’d rather Atlanta sign Granderson for one cheap year than Markakis for two. I don’t think it will come down to that though. I think that Atlanta will eventually get a trade offer they find acceptable.

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      • BrewCrew1302

        6 years ago

        really hope we can retain Granderson on a cheap one year deal. He was great down the stretch, always seems to be on base and draw some key walks off the bench

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        • southi

          6 years ago

          I think if the common fan would look,at the facts they will see that Granderson is still very productive (especially in the right settings). His OPS+ is extremely competitive to the other free agents and surprisingly better than many big name ones. Of course you don’t want him playing versus the toughest lefties either so he needs to be occasionally rested. On the flip side he’d be cheap.

          By no means would he be a top choice, but he might be better than many other options that require multi year contracts.

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  14. slowcurve

    6 years ago

    Trade for Haniger, Alex. Make it happen. Call Seattle’s bluff. No Jeopardy puns allowed. K bye.

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  15. farmerb

    6 years ago

    Can we stop bringing up Markakis. We are not bringing him back.

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  16. Halos2021WSChamps

    6 years ago

    Trade off Calhoun, get Brantley, add arms in pen. Get a starter or two(Lynn,Happ?). And pray for a wildcard

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    • Mike's Trout

      6 years ago

      No Brantley.. We are trying to get rid of Kole to make room for Jo Adell. We need pitching. 2 starters and 2 relievers minimum

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    • SashaBanksFan

      6 years ago

      I guess Happ is no longer an option. I’m an Angels fan and agree about trading calhoun and getting a 2nd tier starter(s). I think they can be cost conscious on the pen. Bullpen arms are volatile from year to year and Eppler seems to have a knack finding afterthought relievers that end up being successful.

      That being said, still confused on the non-tender of Blake Parker.

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      • Frank A. Burnette

        6 years ago

        What do you think about Moose at Third, Fletcher at Second. We trade Donkey and Barron. Go get a cheap RF replacement there are several on the market. We could get moose for 3 and 40 in my opinion. Still leaves plenty of money for two starters and two relievers.

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    • Frank A. Burnette

      6 years ago

      How about trading Calhoun aka Red Barron and Zach Donkey Cozart and signing Moose to play third, Agree let Adel start his MLB career in Right Field if he struggles go sign a lower tier free agent Carlos Gonzalez type to play for the time being. I am more than fine having are wanna be David Eckstein Mr. Fletcher take over the second base chores. We do still need at least a number 2 type starter and a reliable back of the pen type reliever and who know we can compete for division. Houston is coming back to the pack. I am actually more worried about the A’s there infield D is unbelievable.

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  17. Syndergaarden Cop

    6 years ago

    AA needs to get Kepler or Rosario from the Twins

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    • Central Valley

      6 years ago

      I hope Mr. Zaidi is not a drinker, because fixing the Giants mess will probably make him one.

      Seriously though, what a mess the last GM and ownership left him. Stay frosty Mr. Zaidi.

      Reply
  18. Frank A. Burnette

    6 years ago

    This one is a bit of a reach but if we could trade Calhoun that would give the Halos 10 more million to play with. Go sign Harper for 10 years 400+ to play right field. The next two seasons with Trout. Trout I believe is walking so then we have are replacement for Trout with Harper. Trust me Harper is NO MIKE TROUT AKA GOAT but at least when he walks we have a superstar still on the team. Plus the next two years are outfield would be SICK Upton Trout and Harper with a pitcher or two and on upgrade at Catcher I think at least one world series would be in reach

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    • Central Valley

      6 years ago

      I’m not an Angels fan but I’d pay to watch their team with Trout and Harper. I don’t follow the Angels but Harper is from Las Vegas, so who knows if it’s possible.

      Man, that’d be an exciting team.

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  19. Omarj

    6 years ago

    Gray makes the most sense for the Angels. Moving to a pitcher’s park with top tier defense helps. I’m confident with Eppler’s experience working with Cashman helps. Teheren would be a good grab too, but would cost too much in assets.

    2019 SP would be: Gray, Heaney, Skaggs, Barria, and have Tropeano & Pena fight for the 5th
    spot. Maybe try to sign Shoemaker to a minor league deal as a backup.

    Then go after relievers in trades or free agency and a catcher. Maldonado reunion? Trading Calhoun or Cozart is selling low and eating money. I’d rather trust the devil I know versus the devil I don’t know. Due to C. Hernandez (2B) getting low value right now, due a multi-team trade, maybe eat some of Cozart’s salary, slot Fletcher in at 3B. Calhoun brings plus defense and can be used until Adell is ready.

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