11:49pm: The trade has been officially announced by both teams. Jake Barrett was moved to the Yankees’ 60-day IL to make a 40-man roster spot for Encarnacion.
7:50pm: The Yankees have acquired first baseman/DH Edwin Encarnacion from the Mariners, ESPN.com’s Jeff Passan reports (Twitter link). Right-handed pitching prospect Juan Then is headed to the M’s in the trade, Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports, and USA Today’s Bob Nightengale adds that Then is the only player being acquired in exchange for Encarnacion.
According to The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal (Twitter link), the two teams are “essentially splitting the money” owed to Encarnacion for the remainder of his contract. The slugger has roughly $9.25MM left on the $20MM owed to him this season, after accounting for the $5MM being covered by the Rays as per the terms of the three-team trade that brought Encarnacion to Seattle from Cleveland back in December. Encarnacion also has a $5MM buyout of a $20MM club option for the 2020 season.
The Yankees had a projected luxury tax number of slightly over $227.6MM prior to the trade, as estimated by Roster Resource’s Jason Martinez. The addition of Encarnacion will all but guarantee that New York exceeds the second-highest luxury tax threshold ($226MM), though it still keeps them below the maximum penalty threshold of $246MM, as Joel Sherman tweets that Encarnacion’s luxury tax hit is a modest $3.4MM. Should the Yankees exceed that $246MM figure, they’d be taxed at a 62.5 percent surcharge on the overage of every dollar beyond $206MM, plus their top draft pick in 2020 would be dropped by ten slots.
All in all, it’s a more than reasonable price for the Yankees to pay to add the American League’s leading home run hitter to their lineup. After going through a bit of a down year by his standards in 2018 (though still producing a 115 wRC+), the 36-year-old Encarnacion was back in top form in Seattle, with a .241/.356/.531 slash line and 21 homers over 289 plate appearances. Depending on how things go over the rest of the season, it’s also quite possible that the Yankees could pick up Encarnacion’s option for 2020, making him more than just a rental player.
With Encarnacion now in the fold to share first base and DH duties with Luke Voit, the Yankees have further boosted their already-strong lineup to near-Murderer’s Row levels when everyone is healthy. Encarnacion now joins an everyday mix that will include Voit, Gleyber Torres, Didi Gregorius, DJ LeMahieu, Giancarlo Stanton, Aaron Hicks, Aaron Judge, and Gary Sanchez, not to mention Brett Gardner, Clint Frazier, and Gio Urshela available off the bench. With this much depth on hand, it increases the chance that Frazier (who isn’t far removed from top-50 prospect status) could potentially become an expendable piece to acquire starting pitching at the deadline.
Encarnacion’s revived production only made him more of a trade chip for a Mariners team that continues to drastically overhaul its roster, and is willing to absorb salary to accommodate these trades. Daniel Vogelbach has already emerged as an everyday first baseman/DH in Seattle, leaving the Mariners free to deploy Ryon Healy in the other slot when he returns from the IL, or the M’s can rotate multiple players through the DH role to keep everyone fresh.
Mariners fans may question the relative lack of a return for a decorated slugger like Encarnacion, though as MLBTR’s Jeff Todd recently examined, the veteran’s market was relatively slim. He wasn’t really an ideal fit for everyday first base duty, which eliminated most NL teams, and even the American League market was relatively limited simply because there aren’t many teams still in realistic playoff contention. Adding Encarnacion might have put the Red Sox over the maximum tax threshold for the second straight year, though for the Astros and even the small-payroll Rays, they could regret not topping the relatively small amount of money and prospect capital it apparently would’ve cost to pry Encarnacion away from a Mariners club that was open to offers.
Then, 19, is a familiar name for Mariners fans, as Seattle originally signed Then as a 16-year-old out of the Dominican Republic in 2016. The Yankees acquired Then in November 2017 as part of the deal that sent Nick Rumbelow to the M’s, and MLB.com ranked Then as the 27th-best prospect in New York’s farm system. Then has yet to pitch this season, but has a 2.67 ERA, 3.77 K/BB rate, and 7.9 K/9 over his first 111 1/3 innings as a professional. According to MLB.com’s scouting report, Then doesn’t have a true plus pitch but “has a high floor” because of strong fastball command, a promising curveball, and “a changeup that’s advanced for his age.”
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So once Stanton and Judge are back Voit will be riding the bench.
Gardner riding the bench
No, Todd76…..Gardy needs rest, he’s played a ton so far, and Stanton is fresh….Stanton will play more left field than we’ve seen before. Maybin will help there, too, for his defense and speed (and some CF). Voit and EE will share first and DH. Urshela’s days are numbered, going to trade him at peak value, because DJ looks great at 3rd. The rest stays the same, and Cash is setting up to trade Frazier and Urshela, maybe Bird too. And we’ll be adding an arm..
No. Gardner sucks. Should be DFA’d
They’re not getting rid of Urshela. Frazier has one foot out the door for starting pitching. Without Urshela they have no infield depth. And Bird???!! Please use your brain. Bird has zero value.
Agree in that the depth sets the team up for another short term trade. The move reminds me of Boston’s move last year for Pearce.
Andujar, Frazier, Cessa, Lasagna, Abreu are all trade bait for the right starting pitcher.
No one wants bird. They’ll trade Frazier, Andujar, Florial are most likely trade bait.
I don’t know about that. I think everybody realizes Urshela is going to turn back into a pumpkin. He could be part of the one percent who doesn’t I guess, but it feels inevitable.
Dude Bird will be at 1st when he’s healthy.
Agreed JD but enjoy him in thevmeantime. He could be a Second half bust, one season wonder or a late bloomer. Tanks have the ability to recover on the fly (I.e. move players around barring new injuries).
Yeah they should sell high on Florial. He’s got bust tattooed on his forehead.
GAS, LMAO, I call LASAGNA THE SAME..
You can always tell who a fans favorite team is by thr trade bait they dangle. Urshel has already begun his transition to a pimpkin. His last 40 AB’s he has an OPS of 603. Even if he kept it up until now, just look at what you sent the Mariners for EE? He’s leading the league in home runs.
And Andujar? I know he’s injured but I still dont think enough GM’s are convinced with him. The guy actually tallied a negative OPS+. I dont even know how you do that. Im not saying there isnt a team that would want him but want him enough to part with the kind of talented pitcher some of you are hoping for is another story.
Frazier, Florial and Lasagna are the pieces that get a deal done.
Lmao.. no. What are you even talking about?
Exactly what I thought. They need pitching and are about to get 2 of the top 5 home run hitters back from the IL shortly. This makes no sense at all.
Cash got a heck of a deal and you can never have enough POWER.
Plus there’s this little thing called injuries which the Yanks have suffered a lot of, depth goes a long way.
Reminds me a bit of the Cecil Fielder trade
Someone doesn’t understand how having a borderline-elite bat as depth is a massively valuable thing to have, nor do they understand that their “top 5 home run hitters” are massively injury-prone, and E5 is not.
I don’t understand? Apparently you don’t understand that Hal is not going to stretch the payroll much further. I am sure the Mariners are going to pick up some of his salary but he isn’t going to be free. Perhaps you don’t understand that the league leader in home runs with a stat line like his is not going to be “depth”. If you think he would not throw a fit by being benched in a contract year you don’t understand anything at all.
So Mr. Know It All maybe you should enlighten me on how another power hitter is going to do anything for them in the playoffs with a rotation that is more injury prone than any other players except for Bird and Ells.
Are you always this sensitive???
“Apparently you don’t understand that Hal is not going to stretch the payroll much further. ”
That’s not even remotely a fact. Total conjecture that even if it has been said, will change at literally any second.
I guess I have to do all your basic entry level thinking for you, but here: the Yankees have already tried the “strengthening a strength” method with their bullpen deals, this is along those same lines but with power. When you max out on something and have the most talent in the league, a weaker thing, like a rotation, can be covered much more easily. E5 leads the AL in homers. This is always a valuable thing to have. Judge+Stanton are injury prone. There will be PT for everyone. Yankees gave up essentially nothing, but all SPs on the trade table right now are going to require Florial++++++, which the Yankees correctly don’t want to do.
Maybe not post if you’re just getting into baseball. Read, learn, etc….
Why can’t they add a pitcher too? Anytime you can add an elite bat for basically nothing you do it..
I didn’t realize that they’re not allowed to trade for a pitcher now. That’s an odd rule. And here I thought adding a durable and elite slugger was a good idea. And that it can free up other players for trades for, I dunno, a pitcher. But whatever rule you’re referring to would surely be an issue now. Silly NYY management…
Clearly to use Frazier as a centerpiece to get an elite arm.
That’s what I was thinking too
Trevor Bauer hopefully…
Ooo Frazier as a centerpiece… hello Homer Bailey.
Or…the dark knight headed back to NY, lol
Frazier is a quality piece. With his injury history and inability to play quality defense, he is not centerpiece material for a top starter.
And if someone said yesterday they should trade Juan then for Encarnacion you would of said no way Then is getting you Encarnacion, right?
Your bias is showing
Maybe not but a good start to a package deal. His defense is curable, but I’m hesitant to somebody with concussion issues as there is no easy cure other than rest and inactivity, and sometimes plenty of it.
We will need him, Stanton is the next Ellsbury and Judge may not be 100% all year and this could free them up to trade for a pitcher.
Hey..that reminds me is Ellsbury
still alive. Must be a tough life..all that money and free time to spend it.
Why get another RH power hitter? This team needs pitching.
This trade doesn’t stop them from upgrading pitching.
Can he pitch?
In the words of @PopeMarley, don’t be that guy.
They’re clearly going to use Frazier as a centerpiece for a pitcher.
A good but not top end starter. Teams want pitching back normally for a number 1 in a walk year. As mentioned above his defense and injury history will likely keep him from being “the player” swapped.
The Yankees have more than enough pitching prospects to dysthymia to Frazier to get a pitcher
Might depend on the team. The Yankees to my knowledge do not have an emerging stud who will be ready next year which is what I think the Giants will want included in a package for MB.
Crazy! Kind of confused where he’d play though. Would they put Stanton in the outfield every day? Him, Stanton, Voit need to be in the lineup every day somehow.
Voit and Encarnacion share 1B/DH
Encarnacion is much better than Morales
thor would look better in red
Morales will more than likely be a thrown in piece or DFAd.
Nope, Mariners do not want Kendrys Morales.
When the team gets healthy Morales is clearly gone … if he lasts that long.
Why would they need to be in the lineup every day? The last time someone was in the lineup every day, the year started with a 1.
If by some miracle they get 100% healthy, they’re simply gonna rotate everybody. No one’s getting more than five games a week. No one’s getting more than five games a week now, even though all they have are Tauchman and Maybin on the bench.
You’re stupid. 40 homer guy. Put him at DH. Can never have enough good hitters. Barely gave anything for him.
Can he pitch?
He has a lousy W. H. I. P.
Damn. Red Sox fan here. He is going to CRUSH HR’s against our bullpen at Fenway lol
But why bruh
Why? Where’s he gonna play? We don’t need another DH/ 1B
Smart move, Yankees, to pull the trigger now.
What a damn shame as a Bluejay fan. In all seriousness though best of luck to him with the evil empire.
……except when he bats against the Indians.
I was thinking maybe Stanton had a setback but he’s still in the AAA game. I like the move but I don’t see how he fits
What’s there to like about it?
you’re right, who wouldnt want to have all that power in their lineup?
All those strikeouts. This team is already getting exposed. You can’t homer your way to a title. Pitching and defense win in the playoffs.
Their starting pitching has slumped, but their hitting has been fine.
Encarnacion has a K rate that is below league average.. you get an elite bat for nothing.. you always make that trade.
If their hitting has been fine, and Stanton-Judge are returning than why add to hitting?
What strikeouts? He’s below the league average
That I don’t know; probably to make players expendable for trades.
RIP Kendrys Morales
So we didn’t learn our lesson from Kendry Morales? I’d rather have Edwin anyway.
You’d rather have Edwin than Kendrys? Well, yeah… Not sure what “lesson” you learned from Kendrys but Edwin isn’t remotely comparable.
and alm they had to give up is Voit…lol
Oh god please please please.
No and then!
Yankees Pitching makes me LOL…Not sure if they’re good enough as a Wildcard team…
Yankees pitching makes me LOL too.
So does your city and the Giants….you know the one by the bay….you know the one with all the Sh_t all over the place!
Says the last place Giants fan LMAO!!!
Giants have still won three championships since the Yankees won in 09. I realize sports is a what have you done lately industry but truth be told the Yankees maybe should switch to horseshoes where closeness counts,
Why go back to 2009, when you can back to 1998, 1961, 1947, or 1923?
It seems odd to choose such a specific year as 2009.
it was the last time the team won. Since then the Giants have won THREE titles.
the giants are in last place, sit this out bud
Of course the Giants suck this year. Big market clubs however have a championship or bust mentality. The Red Sox finished last three out of four years. Do you think Sox fans care now? Would Yankee fans have preferred to have won twice in the last ten years even if it meant last place so often? Most would in my view.
Maybe trading Frazier? Judge and Stanton both played in AAA tonight.
Trading Frazier in a separate deal for a starter.
Yeah, this looks like a move to facilitate another move for pitching. Getting a bat like this for (apparently) very little might be to free-up a guy like Clint Frazier for a trade. I’ve seen the snarky comments on here about Frazier, but I think there are teams who would like to have a young guy with his future potential.
Completely pointless. Yankees better not have sent away anyone of value
this makes absolutely no sense at all.
They better not send down Clint
where is Clint going to play now when Stanton and Judge return? DH was just taken away
Please please trade Frazier to the Brewers for Chacin then when Brauns contract is up he can be his replacement
Its Maybin and Tauchman that are out of their jobs. Not Frazier. I’d assume Frazier would go revert to backup OFer instead of starting OFer once Judge and Stanton return.
i’m guessing yankees fans are here so just remember the 2001 World Series
No. But I am happy to remember the 96, 98, 99, 2000, 2009 World Series win and the other 22 we won. How many can you remember that your team won?
I remember America cheering for the Diamondbacks after 9/11, because every other fan base has no moral high ground to stand on ever again.
I wish it happened a few weeks ago but I like it
He’s not LH and can’t pitch.
Take that Lakers
I don’t give thumbs up but you earned this one
Oh great, another DH!
Good for the Yankees
Not seeing the sense of this move, unless Encarnacion wanted out?
He’s an upgrade over useless morales
probably to not let red Sox or Houston acquire him. funny that dj is playing third today
possibly trade happening with either Gio or andujar
They gonna Include a bag of spare shoulder parts with Andujar?
theyre not trading andujar – i dont know why it needs to be said for every yankees article
Andujar will be in any trade fir a quality starter genius
Ok but you’re wrong.
Gio isn’t going to bring much back
Astros don’t need him with Alvarez now.
This might mean that Frazier is more likely to get included in a package for SP help. It also likely means that Stanton will play LF and move Gardner to the 4th OF role. Encarnacion is a better 1B than Voit, so Voit is likely playing a lot of DH.
Red Thunder to Triple A to learn how to play the outfield better.
Guys read between the lines.. this sets up a major pitching trade. And blocks him from going to Boston or Houston. Great move I mean.. it’s a killer line up now
What does this have anything to do with setting up a pitching trade? That could’ve been done without this deal…
It frees up frazier to be offered because we don’t need him in the lineup anymore
hopefully some sort of frazier for stroman deal is in the works
red sox already have JD Martinez at DH, and the stros will still find what they need
Head scratcher. Another rh dh. Lol
Ya, adding the guy who has hit the most home runs in baseball since 2012, and current AL HR leader, for next to nothing is a head scratcher. Ok.
This makes me think that they will trade Frazier for a pitcher when Judge and Stanton come back.
It’s official: the Yankees brain trust are morons.
Absolutely!….Oh….how many rings does the White Sox have…..oh right 3…1906, 1917 and 2005….your certainly qualified to criticize a 27 time World Champion team management!
Now I understand your comment! Maybe you should send in your resume?
Yes 2005 and should have also won 1919!!
But they didn’t cause they were greedy and wanted the money offered from that scandal. You can’t say that they would have won something if the events had played out differently, or I can say that the Yankees would have won the 2003 World Series if they had scored more runs. That’s how it works! The other team VS the ChiSox could’ve won even in a fair game. You just don’t know. And, bottom line is, they didn’t
Rocky, 27 time WC team management? When CBS owned the team, it sucked and the management was worse. The current regime should even be compared separately to when George was in charge. I give credit for 09 because George was aging and while the team has been very good on a consistent basis since, they haven’t won the WS after 09.. Living in NY, the current management reminds me of the Knicks under Dave Checketts (sorry for spelling if it’s wrong). Very good but never good enough. 2019 might be their year but if they fall short again, this will be the biggest sting yet.
26 straight winning seasons, dip.. No one else comes close.
so what’s wrong with judge or stanton. this screams of something else is coming out. cant imagine voit is sitting and dont see both judge and stanton in the field when they return
Do you guys ever actually watch a Yankees game….exactly why would Stanton and Judge not play the outfield when they return…..if they’re perfectly healthy, which you have to assume they will be if they join the major league team, why would you think they won’t play defense?????
Exactly. It’s not like Stanton in left is going to be any worse than Frazier has been
*SIGH*. I knew this year was going to be tough as a Mariner’s fan. However, This trade for a bag of peanuts…..ugh. I mean, I wasn’t expecting a top 20 prospect. Couldn’t NY throw in a cotton candy machine, and a couple of barrels from The Pickle Guys? COME ON!!! We will throw in some Copper River Salmon!
BTW…..this thing of the “opener” in baseball….stupidest idea ever.
They have to cool our bats with no second looks.
an old, soon to be free agent DH isn’t going to bring much.
No, but Mariner’s fans now have to view this trade as Nick Rumbelow for EE basically. And that must hurt
It’s another amazing move by Cashman it sets up what’s going to be a huge trade deadline for the Yankees
Everybody know offense wins championships
It did for the Angels in 2003. Yanks will trade for a starter or two. Will it be enough? Don’t know. They need a healthy Severino and Paxton plus another front line guy. It’s a lot to need
Frazier to Toronto for Stroman
Don’t think neither the Yankees nor Blue Jays relish the idea of facing the guy they traded away for 18-19 games a year over the near future so a trade between the two I think his highly unlikely.
I don’t know how or if a trade would work for these teams but that shouldn’t be an issue for the Bluejays. If the Yankees don’t extend Stroman, they’d face him a total of like 3-5 times over the next year and a half. And with only a slight chance of competing next year, they should be trading Stroman to whoever offers the best package, whether that’s in the division or not.
They traded us J.A. Happ last year.
Also Boston a few years back traded Miller to Baltimore for Rodriguez.
Saw Then pitch quite a few times. He’s not too shabby
So. Cal. Giants fan
They’re gearing up to make a run for Bumgarner….
And Then there was Juan
Yankees going for it.
Oh Kendrys we hardly knew you. I’m surprised that the Yankees even made a move. It will be interesting to see who got what and who is paying whose salary?
Seattle originally traded Then to the Yankees in 2016…
When will Then be now?…
They asked for Juan Now. Cashman wasn’t having it.
Frazier will he sent down now.
Who goes when Stanton and Judge return?
The extra pitcher and ????
Frazier for Stroman most likely
So full strength yanks
Judge+Stanton will never be fully healthy again but yeah, that lineups wild.
Please, no narratives about how they hit so many home runs though, yankee stadium has shorter RF wall than my little league park. Anyone can mash there, but these guys can DEF mash everywhere!
Guess you missed the baseball rule that says both teams get a chance to hit at Yankee Stadium…doesn’t matter what You think about the RF wall thank God…..both teams have the same chance to hit it over
Not even the shortest right field line in MLB. SF is 6 feet shorter, Fenway is the shortest, Camden yards is like 2 feet off.
Why else would have it allowed more home runs than any other park since it opened up in 2009?
depth, power, stability, consistency, power, power, production, value, wins, make other pieces expendable/superfluous. i swear if one more person asks why. all they can’t do now is trade juan then for pitching… that’s it.
what happens when you hit that roster crunch and you have to cut / dfa one of these pieces when the injured come back or are you assuming another injury when they come back? then you lose depth for basically someone for one week on the roster? I have no problem with depth but there is a point where having a lot of depth with no options can hurt you.
i don’t know the yankees well enough to know who’s getting DFA’d in that scenario. it’s usually a hit worth taking, and pretty much always for a 2-3 win rest of the season player in a super competitive division that you’d greatly prefer to win outright
Pretty easy to option Frazier at this point. Or DFA Maybin. Morales is gone once he’s off the IL. Wouldn’t kill them to give any number of guys a 10 day stint for aches and pains either (looking at you Gardner).
AL Righty Then? Sounds like a Jim Carrey line.
Heaven forbid we should get a starter who can find the plate. So new thinking is hit home runs every game, score 6 runs a game, but it doesn’t matter if this complete garbage rotation gives up 7 or more runs. A pure under the tax move. Hal is destroying any chance of a title. Can’t wait for next years excuses for no ace on staff yet again. This is a joke! Worthless Stanton is close and Judge is near so by all means get another bat. Pathetic
Great trade by the Yankees, what a stacked team.
Can anyone please tell me why Paxton wasn’t the return for this crap? It’s like jerry jones in Dallas, dipstick Hal thinks he knows baseball. Clueless
I doubt Hal cares about anything except the financial cost. Cashman runs the show under his budgetary constraints.
Im curious who do you give the boot out of the IF in this move. DJ? Gio? Didi? Gleybar? While its a good problem to have you only have 3 spots for 4 people now then im gussing Tauschman goes down to AAA again.
When Stanton and Judge comes back then what 2 people do you kick off the 25 roster? Maybin is my guess because you will need a backup CF in Gardner and then who? option Frazier down i guess?
One prospect? So, Juan Then was the only one then?
For now, just Then.
Seattle is also paying 1/2 of Encarnacion’s salary.
Leslie Winkle thinks that Sheldon Cooper must run the yankees.
Frazier will be a Giant, and Madbum will be in pinstripes soon.
that’s a serious overpay given the kind of pitcher madbum has been this year.
This makes no sense. Just a typical arrogant Yankees move
Arrogant to pick up the AL HR leader and biggest HR hitter in baseball since 2012, for next to nothing? Congratulations on winning the most idiotic post of the month, champ.
Then was once then, then was not, but now is?
Omg!!!! So many clueless posts. Edwin for a minor league pitcher who HAS NOT pitched this year for the League HR leader and Costs only $5 mil plus Juan Then. And we gave up nothing that will prevent a pitching trade.
Guys- read b4 you post and get the details. Seattle for some reason wants to dump all there players and we also blocked Houston eco needs a First baseman from getting him.
Bad trade? Seriously? And focusing on he’s RH when EVERYONE is hitting HR the last few years and Edwin has most HR since 2012. RH/LH is not like it used to be. Not with the ball juiced.
Agreed, Chris. Nice point about blocking Houston from getting a big bat at first. See my comment below, I think Frazier and Urshela go for Stroman or Boyd….this is a two or three stage strategy
the stros can still aquire Smoak from the Jay’s
Smoak is having a down year, and is no better than a platoon bat at this point. He’s hitting .183 against lefties with 1 HR and a .555 OPS.
Yeah, but he’s also hitting .246 against righties with 11 home runs and a .900 OPS.
Pretty sure Houston is probs happy with Yordan.
Let’s see more than a week of the guy before we proclaim him an all-star. Chavis came back to earth after a hot start already this year and I remember Tyler White being the answer for Houston not too long ago.
Excellent post, Giaruputto.
I don’t follow the yankees as closely as most here do but please someone tell me why so many people see the addition of the 36 year old encarnacion as the inevitable departure of the young promising clint frazier? To me this makes absolutely no comprehendible baseball sense.
Because Frazier is a poor defender so far this year and is not going to play over Stanton/Judge/Hicks. With EE entering the fold, DH time is predominantly going to be spread between Voit and EE leaving Frazier without a spot.
Likely he is traded as his bat definitely plays and the Yankees need an upgrade in the rotation.
Because either Toronto or Detroit is asking for Frazier in a Stroman or Boyd deal…..Jydge back in right and Stanton back at DH this weekend…..Frazier and Urshela go….. Outfield manned by Judge, Hicks, and Gardy/Maybin/Stanton…..EE and Voit 1B/DH. DJ to 3rd, and we’re set, IF…..we’re getting a big pitcher. I’d like Boyd myself over Stroman.
Scared of Boyd. He feels like Jares Weaver to me. Also doesn’t have that lo omg track record
Detroit doesn’t want Frazier.
3B Lemahieu / Urshela
LF Stanton / Maybin
CF Hicks / Gardner
What a freakin lineup of players.
a ton of strike outs
A ton of run production as well. There’s no “pitching around” hitters with a lineup like that!
This is where the game is moving, assumptions about everything else aside. Pitchers throwing harder, launch-angle swinging and the juiced ball. In any case, it makes sense to acquire this bat and now look for pitching. This move does not in any way adversely impact the effort to acquire pitching. If anything, it makes it easier to deal.
EE plays 1B, Voit DHs. EE is a better defender.
Yanks got themselves a big bat and a positive presence. Good move. Yanks still need a pitcher and they’ll probably address that shortly.
Bumgarner will be traded to the Yankees next. SF needs outfielders and infielders, yanks need pitching. SF will get Frazier and Gio, Yanks get Bumgarner and another overpriced arm for a salary dump for SF. The Shark will probably be in there as well. Both teams line up perfectly.
Bumgarner doesn’t get you Frazier
Bumgarner and Samardzija could. That’s alot of salary to eat, but if any team is capable, has the track record, and hasn’t done it in a while…
If the Yankees are playing as well as they have in spite of all their injuries, they’re going to be scary to say the least when/if they get their preferred players ready to go.
Amazing franchise! Great GM work as usual from Cashman. Nothing to hate about the move. Cost was negligible. Takes away rivals ability to acquire his bat. Considering the way the season has played out so far for them, insurance/depth seems to be at a premium.
You really think that the Bumgarner is worth 2 controllable young players who have an OPS over 800 this year and the Yanks will have to accept a salary dump as well.
Maybin and Frazier are getting sent down. Well Maybin will have to accept or be DFA
Morales is probably the one getting the dfa.
It’s not about accepting an assignment, he has to be DFA’d first and then someone will likely claim him.
Astros are still better
Starting pitching, that’s about it, but not with the bats. no way. And bullpens, Yanks are definitely better. Yanks will batter Houston into submission, just like Boston did last year.
I think the Astros are the only team who may top the Yankees in overall talent, but their talent is much more volatile then the Yankees talent. But don’t underestimate the Astros in October. Maybe if Correa is still down and Springer is hurt, its a battering. But if they are at full strength, that’s a 7 game series.
Sox the best and don’t need another 1B or DH.
i cant believe how stupid dipoto is. he traded a good player for a relatively unheralded prospect in rookie ball and only had the other team pay off half of the contract. does he think anyone that isnt an all star should be a salery dump?
no one is giving up a blue chip prospect for an old soon to be free agent DH. no matter how many home runs he has this year
Frazier has to go to American League
M’s: “Give us two prospects for Encarnacion”
Yanks: “No way”
M’s: “OK, we’ll just take Juan Then.”
I cannot handle seeing Juan more pun.
Very well done!
One of our more punishing posts, nstale!
How good is Frazier? All Star talent? I’m seeing his name frequently named in a potential Bumgarner trade. If you get Bum, you won’t be disappointed. He’s still someone I want on the mound in October.
The trade makes me wonder if there’s a team who wants Voit in a package for a pitcher the Yankees may want. As a side note, I wonder if the Marlins would entertain dealing Caleb Smith.
Yanks dealt Smith to the Marlins, why would they want him back?
Smoak would’ve made more sense. Solid switch hitting gold glove caliber 1st baseman. Jays would have picked up most of the salary too for the prospect.
Na.. ill take Encarnacion over Smoak every time.
Smoak is a more complete player. His OBP last three years very good. He a good defender. EE is streaky hitter and well below avg defensively.
Smoak can’t hit lefties this year, so I don’t care whether he hits LH, RH, Switch, or upside down. Dude has a 183 BA and 1 HR against lefties…
He doesn’t have to hit lefties, just get on base. Check his OBP last few years.
Getting EE for less than they got for Nick Rumbelow is pretty great any way you cut it.
Does he solve their biggest problem(s)? No, but he doesn’t have to. It’s a significant offensive upgrade for very little cost.
Unbelievable. Seattle got raped “again”. EE is on pace for 48 HRs and Seattle couldn’t pull even a top 100 prospect out of the best avail hitter on the market….THEN on top of all of that Seattle has to still pay 1/2 his salary?
Why Seattle?! Just keep him. We’ve already got raped in the Paxton deal and now having to Demote Sheffield to AA. Picking up a scrub that we traded to the Yankees last year for RumbleWeed that we just DFA’d.
So tired of this BS and watching our playoff drought continue for add’l years! UGH
And you’re a 12 year that doesn’t understand the MLB trade market at all and says rape a lot. And don’t come back by saying you’re any older than 12, it’s just more embarrassing.
20 years and have watched 99% of Mariners games. Its WAY beyond time to abandon ship. 4 more errors tonight, and Seattle is continually setting the worse defensive records in the history of this game.
This trade rumor post is basically a love letter to the Yankees. They are not that good for having the payroll of two teams. They lost six of their last ten.
If you say injuries all I have to say is that’s what you get with aging veterans and poor team trainers. Some injuries you can’t avoid, but every team gets injured – winners still win, and most teams do it without spending your way out of it or selling off prospects because you can just spend your way into the future.
Have you checked the standings lately!? They’re still a first place team despite the injuries!?
I check the standings and see teams with better records, better stats and a heck of a lot less payroll.
Per dollar Yankees are losers compared to teams like the twins and Astros. They’re spending more for less.
If I bought a burger for a dollar and you bought a crappier burger for two dollars who is the real winner.
Once again, a half strength Yankee Roster!? Half the team on the IL!?
Twins will fade.
Red Sox are underperforming.
If you’re that blind, perhaps you should take up braille.
Completely incorrect information.
10/10 would not recommend.
“This trade rumor post is basically a love letter to the Yankees. They are not that good for having the payroll of two teams.”
They have twice the payroll of 8 teams, of the 29 other teams.
“They lost six of their last ten.”
The baseball season is 162 games, why are you focused on the last ten? They have the 4th best record in all of baseball.
“If you say injuries all I have to say is that’s what you get with aging veterans and poor team trainers.”
Steve Donahue, has been the Yankees head trainer for 8 seasons, and previously the assistant for 26 years. So I guess he finally got dumb?
Stanton – age 29
Severino – 25
Judge – 27
Andujar – 24
Betances – 31
Those are their most devastating injuries, who on that group is an aging vet?
“Some injuries you can’t avoid, but every team gets injured – winners still win, and most teams do it without spending your way out of it or selling off prospects because you can just spend your way into the future.”
Winners do still win, as they have been doing. Urshela has been a huge help while the stars have been out. Another brilliant pick-up by Cashman. German also helped them keep it together on the pitching side. Voit, their 2 hitter, was another great trade. Sanchez has been raking, as has Torres. Take a look at how much they are making and get back to us.
You’re the worst kind of hater, one that makes stuff up.
six of their last ten? well lucky for them this isnt football and they are still “winners” and leading the division. also 4 of the 6 teams leading the divisions in the top 8 of baseball and 3 of the 4 are in the top 4. How are you still using the same talking points about the yankees from the 90’s. Guys on the IL like judge is 27 and andujar is 25. and even bringing in older replacements for them, the yankees roster age is still just 28. The yankees have one of the youngest rosters in the league.
Funny how the Ms acquire Then back a week after releasing Rumbelow. Now theyre gonna try to get Sears back lol
Rays should have made this trade. Dh Encanarcion and play everyone else the same.
Too expensive for the Rays. Keep in mimd they DFA’d Cron because he was making 5 million…
Didn’t really have to give up much for him and they can still add pitching. Can’t really have enough hitting when your pitching isn’t exactly watertight.
Is anyone gonna ask the obvious question? Why did the Ms do that? You got pretty much nothing. The 27th ranked prospect in their system and you have to eat half his salary? Cashman strikes again. I don’t know how he does it
picking-up pieces along the way fits in with their off season strategy to rebuilding the bull pen. getting healthy’s been battle
Yankees love the former jays… EE, morales, tulo, urshela, happ…. don’t stop there, we have more guys available!
Is there a worse fielding team than the Yankees? Urshela, torrez, Sanchez, andujar, Stanton, voigt, Frazier, even didi has fallen off. Now they add another dh.. dont get me wrong, this is a great move. They just might want to think about defense.
Shhh, don’t upset the sheep.
what are you talking about? urshela was known for his glove. matheiu also has a very good/great glove. and how has didi fallen off? their up the middle is actually excellent.
Enjoyed EE in Toronto. Always wanted to see him him win in Oct. Cant wait until he gets hot at the plate!
Down the stretch is all that matters. It’s time to unload some of the kids for proven pitching. i.e. mad bum if he waves no trade. Stroman if he doesn’t cost too much. Or you unload all for Max Scherzer. Option 3 being the best
The beauty of this deal is they no longer need to go after a top arm available. This team is going back to slugging its way to the World Series.
When healthy, Judge, Stanton, Sanchez and Encarnacion is 150=160 homers in a good season. That’s more then about 7 or 8 teams hit last season and that’s less then half the lineup.
Still have Torres and Gardner and Gregorius and Andujar when he’s healthy and Ushela and Voit. There’s not really a hole in the lineup.
As I said yesterday, expect Cashman to think of outside the box ways to make this team unbeatable. He’s not coughing up 2 or 3 good prospects he likes for a Bauer or Stroman. He’s not that bad and simple (wish he was). Maybe if he likes Boyd a whole lot, because he’s controllable for awhile, he pulls the trigger on the right offer.
But what this move does is allow them to ignore the top end of arms. With the lineup they have, they need stable guys who can eat innings and keep the team in the game. They don’t have to cough up a lot for that kind of arm, and there will be a plethora of middle of the pack guys available as teams figure out where they stand in coming weeks.
It also should force Dombrowski’s hand in the seller/fast rebuild direction to ensure we can compete in 2020 and beyond. If he’s half as smart as I have to hope he is, we may have a very exciting deadline with some big unexpected names on the board.
Oh relax, fenway faithful. As much as I kidded about DD doing some re-imaging for next year, ain’t happenin. They’ve been terrible all year, and (a) are 1 game out of the Wild Card and (b) absolutely no one doesn’t think they’re a playoff team.
That said, the Yanks are better today than they were yesterday. And yes, it IS a move the Rays should have made, but they value payroll over contention; everybody knows it. And yes, EE has no defensive value, but absolutely no one is playing defense anymore. Take away the Sox OF, and the AL East has 5 EXTREEMLY defensively inept teams. And that’s not counting the base running, which has literally become comical.
The 2 playoff teams out of the AL East (likely) will boil down to the two least stupid teams.
I’m usually the optimist. But this group is not keeping up with Houston and New York in October.
All of this is of course pending guys like Judge and Stanton come back healthy. However, the Sox also have to bet on that Eovaldi comes back strong and that they can get something out of the combination of Wright, Velazquez and Hernandez that resembles an opener / 5th starter / eventual swingman when Eovaldi gets back.
They also have to bet on that they will find a way to resign Mookie Betts, which financially looks like an impossibility given the contracts handed out to Sale, Price, Eovaldi, Bogaerts and Pedroia. They are trying to wiggle back to and reset the luxury tax in a coming season. If they add a $300+ million contract for Mookie to the mix (maybe quite a bit more), that will be around $160-170 million tied up in just 6 guys. Again, assuming the luxury tax threshold rises at a consistent rate, that should leave them about $50 million to field the rest of the team, all of which is projected to be tied up in arbitration raises for players like Devers, Benintendi and perhaps even Chavis if he reaches Super Two status and there will be other considerations like Eduardo Rodriguez.
There’s a business side of baseball that we fans like to ignore, but its what really governs the front office. Its why Dombrowski should be listening as a buyer and a seller and considering the implications of both long-term. Imagine how fast they could field another long-term winner with the haul they’d get back for Betts, Porcello and if Moreland comes back healthy they would get something for him.
I think the “business side” just means a lot less to the Sox than it does to other teams. They’re so reversely integrated (NESN, stadium controlled revenue, even the Globe) that they almost HAVE to win, or at least make a good run. EVERYTHING suffers when they don’t win; and it suffers in big (and real) money.
And it’s a tough town. The last thing Henry et al want to see is people paying more attention to the Pats’ workouts than to them. And that’s tough when it’s the Pats.
They have some real decisions to make, no doubt. But the Astros navigated the landscape with aplomb (it couldn’t have been easy losing Morton/Kuechel/Marwin) but they survived quite nicely.
I think DD and company have the same skill. I don’t think they give a hoot about Luxury Taxes and all that stuff. Those things are the purview of limited revenue teams. If the Sox operate like that, they’re throwing the baby out with the bath water.
When the Reds traded Encarnacion for Scott Rolen it was an under the radar transaction and Rolen would do so much for the Reds and the clubhouse but in hindsight …. DAMN this dude has put together an incredible career !!!
Imagine yesterday if someone suggested the Yankees trade Juan Then for Encarnacion.
He would of been ripped apart by this board.
Saying that’s not enough, you would need to give up Frazier or Frorial, ect.
Now they are butthurt and in damage control, lol.
See you after they trade for a pitcher. Whether it’s Bumgarner or Stroman doesn’t matter. Those guys will suddenly not be so good for some reason on here, lol. And the guy they didn’t get will still be awesome.
don’t disagree. so long as they still get an ace. Not another #3/4/5 guy (we have a plethora of em). An actual ace who can be a playoff stopper….
That description is Bumgarner and Curt Schilling, but he’s retired.
should have traded for Luhnow
So the Mariners traded their power bat leading the league in homeruns. Money dump? For a great haul? They are eating money on a contract with a buy out next year that was similar to what they are eating. The return was one player, and it was a player they had let go of just this last off season in another rediculous trade. There was a time when the league would look at a deal like this and spike it, not because it was bad (teams make dumb trades all the time), but because it blatantly makes no sense for the side dumping. None of what I mentioned was in the story, and should have been.
Do you just get the feeling Edwin Encarnacion and Josh Donaldson are going to embarrass the Blue Jays front office even more this season as they go on rampant runs to the World Series with their respective teams? #FireShapkins
Yankees can’t stand that the Twins are going to break their HR record
Matthew De Lorge
I just want all the Mariners fans posting on here that they would contend this year to chime in…..
They traded EE for a POSSIBLE back end of the rotation guy who has “no plus pitch” LOL
Yankee fans whining over acquiring an elite power hitter. what has the world come to?
Preamble: I know zero about Yankees’ prospects. Having admitted that, what do you NYY fans see as the best SF could get from you for MB? Just taking a look at NYY pipeline, Roansy Contreras? Luis Medina? If we add Will Smith, what could we get? They will be competing with the Twins and Braves for both, so MB’s price will not be as cheap as some have suggested. MLBTraderumors suggests a 50-55 prospect is not uncommon for even a former ace rental. As we know most of these “can’t miss” prospects almost always do in fact Miss, sooooo, make me an offer!
Poor Red Sox fans. First Big Papi gets shot for slipping the salami to a drug lord’s wife and now the Yankees are loading up. And Stanton, Judge and Didi all coming back into the line-up. It looks like it is lights out for Bean Town.