7:35PM: The Yankees were willing to give up Clint Frazier and another prospect for Ray, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweets, though talks fizzled out after the Diamondbacks requested more prospects. As per MLB Network’s Jon Heyman, the D’Backs wanted a four-prospect package that included Frazier and right-hander Clarke Schmidt, who was the 16th overall pick of the 2017 draft and rated by MLB Pipeline as the fifth-best prospect in New York’s system.
1:16PM: The Yankees’ talks with the Diamondbacks regarding left-hander Robbie Ray are “dead” for now, Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweets. Ray’s name has become increasingly prevalent on the rumor mill in the past week, though there’s no firm indication that the club is sure to move him. Ray is controlled through the 2020 season via arbitration.
New York’s rotation hasn’t performed up to expectations in 2019, as Luis Severino hasn’t thrown a pitch. Lefties James Paxton and, in particular, J.A. Happ have struggled to uncharacteristically high ERAs, as has CC Sabathia, who is currently on the injured list. The Yankees have been connected to virtually every starting pitcher on the trade market, but to this point those negotiations have obviously yet to bear fruit.
Ray, 27, has a 3.91 ERA with 12.1 K/9, 4.1 BB/9, 1.60 HR/9 and a 38.4 percent grounder rate in 2019. He averaged 12+ K/9 in both 2017 and 2018 with sub-4.00 ERAs, FIPs and xFIPs, cementing himself as one of the game’s premier strikeout pitchers along the way. He’s earning $6.05MM this season and will command one more arbitration raise this winter, possibly to the $10MM range, before becoming a free agent upon the conclusion of the 2020 season.
The Diamondbacks, with a .500 record, aren’t necessarily embarking on a full-scale tear down but are nevertheless listening with an open mind on some of their more desirable short-term assets.
Pivot for Bumgarner?
Poor Yankees.
You seem obsessed with the Yankees.
They’re the marquee team in baseball, so eyes are on them. When they don’t make moves that give them the best shot at the world series they can get it’s strange.
It’s not strange when u see who team’s have wanted from us in rumours . Yanks need health more then anything . Shoot, just get Sevy, Betances , and Stanton back and it’s better then anything we could of got on the trade market, especially when u see rumours 9f what team’s wanted from us.
We also get Gardy , Sanchez, and DJ back soon, starting with DJ for the Sox series, and maybe Gardy?? And I believe I read somewhere Sanchez will be back quickly . Screw giving up 4 prospects for Robbie Ray. DBacks prob could of got best of deal with straight up Frazier for Ray,let alone another 3guys…smh Teams asking for Gleyber Torres? Get real.
Nope just left guys filter in from injury , on top of what we have healthy , and yanks should be one of last team’s standing , if not thee
If they weren’t asking for major league talent then why not make the trade? I don’t get it.
Typical Yankee fan response. Give up a minor leaguer for a stud left handed strike out pitcher because the prospect is a Yankee and sure fire Hall of Famer. Get real. Enjoy your 11th year of not winning.
“Typical Yankee fan response” Please don’t lump in the obvious bandwagoner mentality with Yankees fans. Anyone that thinks Clint Frazier for Robbie Ray is possible, can’t be taken seriously.
Not going to get a high end starter we need, so we will probably get Shane Greene and possibly have a bullpen game in the playoffs.
Sounds like Avila asked for Kieboom for Shane Greene if that’s the real ask the Yankees aren’t adding him either.
I read an article today that said the price for Greene was way below the other top guys. Probably noise. I like ray but the Yankees philosophy of high strikeout guys has not been all that successful lately. So if they want a ton I’m happy to pass
Totally agree. 2 many reinforcements due back over the next month to go blowing us a farm system for mostly just OK guys, not a superstar.
Sounds like a losing strategy
No not when potential trade asked begin with Gleyber and end right there which is what the Tigers began the discussion with the Yankees about over Boyd.
A true non-starter.
Most teams moving players are asking for the world from potential playoff teams just because they can. Doesn’t mean that saying no is a losing strategy as you say…just says the ask isn’t worth the get!
Great news! Won’t match the Red Bird offer!
Cashman and Arizona’s GM literally should be locked in a suite together rn at Yankee stadium trying to bang out a Ray or Greinke Trade.
That sounds dirty.
Yankees getting shutout cause cashman refuses to deal actual potential talent…
Jays you’re right.
Refusal to overpay doesn’t equal refusal to deal actual talent. Not sure what actual talent means…do they trade nothing in trades?
I’m assuming he’s referring to blue chip talent. I’d rather see the Yankees stand pat and hold on to their top prospects than to empty the farm. The Yankees need to trade for more than one reliable starter for a good run during the postseason.
Yankees have a core for multiple championship runs. They don’t need to just focus on one/2019. The biggest mistake was not signing Keuchal.
Agreed….the Yankees and the Astros are taking the same path towards multiple championship runs by not sacrificing their top farm talent for stop gap pitching. Also believe they should have gone harder after Keuchel and bested the Atlanta offer.
I live in LES
Wassup?!
I can see their reasoning for not doing so as they had expected Severino and Betances to be back. This team has overperformed with their rash of injuries. Roll the dice this year with what they have.
Exactly!!!!!
The Astros traded several top prospects for Greinke, including Corbin Martin, JB Bukauskas and Seth Beer. The Yankees did nothing and gave nothing up.
can we agree that three Dbacks DON’T have to accept whatever package the Yankees offer? can we agree that maybe their scouts are not impressed with Garcia? aside from him most of the Yanks top prospects are in the low minors. maybe the Dbacks had the audacity to like the package they accepted more, regardless of how many prospects Cash put on the table.
? Astros are but Yankees have yet to get one. Dodgers and Braves have young talent and look set for a long time . Yankees starting pitching has been brutal and aging . Not much past gerrit cole for free agency next year . If all your prospect would hit are you going to sign them all anyway ? 500 million dollar payroll?
@chino31 If the rest of the other 29 teams passed on him then maybe there was a good reason? Yanks are made of cash but wasn;t Keuchel asking for something like 5/$100 mil or something? If they didn’t sign him because he wanted to keep their 1st round pick then I would agree with you but other than that I trust the judgement of Cash and the other 29 Gms especially the Astros who never seemed interested in bringing him back despite losing Morton to the Rays and having McCullers on the DL.
@mikelgrady
Yanks started the season with 3 SP that were 30 or under (Tanaka, Paxton and Severino) with Germand and Loisaga waiting in AAA.
Yanks can keep all their young talent because they’re the NY freaking Yankees. They also have about $80 mil coming off the books in the next 2 years between Gardner, CC, Tanaka, Ellsbury and possibly Chapman. The books are fine the money is there to retain Judge, Sanchez, Torres, etc.
@athleticsnchill Yanks were on Greinke’s no trade list. The reasons why Greinke will never be a Yankee has been discussed over and over again. He doesn’t want to play in NY. So why is everyone acting as if the Yanks blew a chance to get him?
Is everyone so blind with hate that logic walks out the room? Do people not understand that the Yanks can offer Garcia, Frazier, Florial and STILL NOT get their guy. Not because the players/prospects aren’t good but simply because that team might like other prospect packages for whatever reason?
The failure to get a SP doesn’t indicate a failure to give it your best try.
Out of the same mouths I hear “Yanks prospects are overrated” and “Yankee prospects are garbage”. Well let’s assume that the Yanks have prospects that other teams demanded. How are those prospects garbage then?
Ppl say Yanks prospects are overrated. Well then why do other teams ask for them? Because they want to do the Yanks a favor?
I’m a Yankee fan and you’re spot on. Frazier, Garcia, and Florial should all be available
Being available is fine. But what is Robbie Ray? Is he better than most of the other guys they have?
Unless it’s bumgarner none of these guys move the needle. Don’t make a trade for the sake of making a trade.
Ray is better than Bumgarner.
Ray is far better than Happ and CC and he can be a solid #2 when he’s on. The Yankees needed someone to boot CC out of the rotation now and Happ out of the postseason rotation. Guys like Frazier and Florial don’t have a place on the big league team and Garcia probably won’t be fully ready till 2021 and there’s no guarantee he can stick in the rotation. The trade market for SP’s likely isn’t going to be much different than it was this Summer so I don’t know who the Yankees will try to trade for
CC is more important than Happ. He’s older and doesn’t throw as hard, but he’s an important presence in that clubhouse.
He could still be that clubhouse presence as a long man out of the bullpen. It’s clear that CC can’t be counted on to go more than 5 innings and lately even going that far has been a challenge. At this point in his career he would be best served pitching 2-3 innings at a time out of the pen
again.. just because he might have offered them doesn’t mean the Dbacks liked the prospects. the problem im hearing here is that fans think because prospect A is ranked top 100 or 50 or 10 that other teams MUST take them if offered. If they have multiple offers then maybe they simply weren’t floored with the talent? it could’ve been Garcia, Florial, Frazier, etc. but maybe they were offered something they liked even better.
when the Yanks were trading for Arod they offered Robinson Cano in the deal but the Rangers liked some guy named Jaquin Arias.
listening to you guys let’s me know how difficult it is to be a GM. Cash may have been willing to offer our best prospects and it may not have appealed to their trade partners. the only legit criticisms you can heave at Cash is being unwilling to out bid Nats for Corbin. but if they did and paid him 5/$150 a) it would’ve been dubbed an overpay b) no guarantee he would have the same results with the Yankees. Sonny Gray and Happ were both having great seasons prior to being traded for. it’s not as simple as some of you think.
@ronk325 Who says they weren’t?
Agreed but ray is not the guy to push all your chips in for.
you read the same article and that’s your comment? it said ther Yanks offered Frazier and one other prospect but they wanted 2 or 3 more. should the Yankees be so desperate to overpay?
i think the yanks have traded away about 15 to 20 prospects in the last two years. doesn’t sound like prospect hoarding to me.
Klentak cut the wire and pronptly called hazen’s cell
I’ll even dial for his dumb@ss
Please make the Yankees end up getting nobody lol. We all want to see it
Actually we don’t. Go back to 1982. Oh wait you are probably 12 and don’t remember the last time they won anything.
umm okay that hurt lmao. Have fun with Tanaka giving up 12 runs in the postseason.
You do know that Tanaka’s numbers in the post-season are excellent, right? Of course, SSS…but he’s never gotten bombed in a post-season game. Also, is he giving up 12 runs in 1 appearance(impossible, since he’d be pulled long before it got that bad) or for the whole post-season?
Have fun living the life out their in nowheresville!
Whats on the docket for this weekend….horseshoes or darts?
Omg ur a tool
Are y’all clueless?!? Wisconsin is an amazing place to be in the summer!
Amazing is a stretch come on
If they’re healthy, they’re pretty stacked.
Next headline – Mets trade for Robbie Ray.
Best comment today.
Tigers
And then deal Stroman to the Reds…
Laugh – but the Mets improved this week…for 2019 and 2020.
Yeah, and they’re still the Mets. Translation: they still suck.
Who was the most recent ny to reach the World Series?
Ooo, pick me, pick me. I know!
Not a fan of either buuut… who was the most recent NY team to win one? Two? Three!? Come on, that argument sounds like you’re cool with losing “But hay! We got there haw-haw”
JA Happ hasn’t been this bad since he left the astros
He was pretty bad in Seattle and first stint in Toronto.
Guess the Dbacks aren’t ready to take greedy franchie’s 2-3 broken down ‘prospects’?
Larry Anderson for Jeff Bagwell deal done
Well if the Yankees can’t get pitching help, they might as well go get Mike Trout.
Giancarlo Stanton, Brett Gardner, JA Happ, CC Sabathia plus LA GM’s choice for Trout. You’re welcome, Cashman!
Try harder. Weak.
It’s the best I’ve got. -BWV
You forgot to include Ellsbury
Fine. Throw in Ohtani.
Idiot
Damn, I thought this would be a great fit for the Yanks. I think they need to up their offer and re-visit MadBum.
Jon Heyman reports Arizona wants Clint Frazier and 3 prospects for Ray
If the three prospects are fringy, I’d do that in a heartbeat.
Agreed
They weren’t fringy though, and that’s why Cashman ultimately stood down, and rightfully so. Overpaying is 1 thing, but what the D’Backs were asking for was way more than an overpay.
How do you know they were fringy?
Reports had them asking for Frazier and Schmidt to start, plus 2 more. Schmidt was their 1st round pick 2 drafts ago, the overall #16 pick, and is their #5 prospect. He’s not fringy.
im speculating but probably a mix of Frazier, Garcia, Florial and like gil/schmidt/abreu/cabello
I’m speculating but I could see them asking for a mix of: Frazier, Garcia, Florial, Gil, Schmidt, Abreu, Cabello
Wow…these suggestions of player gives to get a middle rotation-backend starter like Ray, just to eat innings this season are really getting crazy!
This guy isn’t shutting down either the Astros or BoSox in a playoff series so why?
Neither is anyone currently on the Yankees. Yankees go through this deadline without a serious starter people are gonna freak out.
Yankees are crazy not getting Bumgarner. Get a guy that knows how to pitch in October. Big stage, big lights type of competitor.
It’s worth a quality prospect.
Who would this superstar cityslicker be?
@centralvalley I hate repeating myself because I’ll begin to sound like a homer but I’m POSITIVE other teams were desperate for Bum too and the fact that he wasn’t traded to ANYONE leads me to believe that the Giants weren’t really willing to deal him.
Until one of the Gms comes out and says we wanted “Such, such and such” and Cash said “no” then we are all just jumping to conclusions. Just because we want a player doesn’t mean a team is going to trade with us. And I know if the Yanks made a massive offer to get him the same ppl dogging the Yanks would be the same ones saying how stupid and desperate Cash was.
Snacks want Frazier plus 3 prospects for ray
Not sure what value of prospects they want
Unless the Yankees are trading off someone from the ML roster they don’t have the pieces for a big arm. Frazier is a defensive liability. Better off in AL. Garcia should be at AA and Floral is stuck at A as he is a K machine.
How badly do the New York Yankees want to win the World Series?
THANK GOODNESS!
I’m sure everybody wants to win a World Series pretty bad. That’s usually what they are playing for.
Not the Twins, they play to sell tickets and concessions.
Cashman has known all summer about the need for a big arm. Here comes the market just wasn’t there excuses.
Cashman is nothing more than a YES man! He only does what Hal tells him to do. Unlike other teams, the Yankees operate under the principal of just have a team compete, but there is no desire to win the World Series. The only thing that drives the Steinbrenner is your money. Thank God I was born a Yankee has been replaced by their’s a sucker born every second! They don’t care about Championships.
@jim-41
I hate using these words but you are an absolute fool to suggest that the Yankees DON’T want to win? Ask any fan how many WS titles do we have and they’ll scream out 27. Ask how many division titles or WS appearances and most wouldn’t know because they don’t matter. Why would they go out and trade for Stanton, who at the time wasn’t a need and had the largest contract of any player in any sport? You really don’t think Hal wants to win? Do you know how much MORE money can be made? You really think he doesn’t want to have a few WS under his belt and live up to or surpass the previous legacy, which btw his father had little to do with aside from the chips in the 70s.
There’s a big difference between being willing to overpay vs being a complete fool and making moves that are good short-term but not down the road. And I’m sorry but Stroman and Ray are NOT putting us over the top. Greinke might have but there’s no match between him and NY. He put them on his no-trade for a reason. I honestly think the Mets w/ Syndegard and the Giants with BumG were testing the market and not necessarily committed to moving either.
headline should read “Yankee hopes for first world series in 10 years stalled”
Don’t you know you’re not allowed to have a different opinion about Cashman?
its so funny, how the cash backers judge him in a vacuum. They point to the Yanks being over .500 and in the playoffs every year. yet they ignore his resource advantages and performance against peer group. they foget that the goal is win. It’s exactly how Kodak went out of business.
Now- that being said he has done good in many ways and the team can win it all, especially if Pax and Tanaka pitch consistently at a decent level, but apples to apples the stros are ahead and sawx probably even this year in an October set.
As such i am not as optimistic as I could be if he knew how to put together a pitching staff…nor do the cash lovers get that its his job to it. I mean how hard was it to predict the season happless and the fat man are having???
Tanaka pulled in the 5th today might be hurt.
i doubt it- more likely cashman feared that he was about to get bombed and their over reliance and belief that they have the greatest pen on the planet. ooops pen coughed it up.
Cash really F’ed this one up, didn’t he?
Thanks for that big arm Cash. Three years in a row lies, lies, lies!
he and cavs fan like our odds. as you can our Cashman assembled staff is sure to give us an edge, no?
Gm 1 Verlander vs Tanaka
Gm 2 Cole vs Pax
Gm 3. Greinke vs german
End of Series my friend. The Yankees go fishing/golfing early again. Oh by the way Mr Bipolar NBA fan is on the Greinke article running interference for Cashman yet again.
What drugs are you on and can I have some? The Yankees have had about 90% of their roster on the injured list but had the best record in the American League. Lay off the crack.
What does that have to do with adding an impact pitcher? Crack is wack Sandy
and a good reason to stay off the crack is the effect it has on making one believe Cash is the GOAT
The Yanks have not played — or at least pitched — well lately. Other teams are gaining on them and the Astros currently have the best record in the AL. Not hard to miss that point.
glodenmisfit though doesn’t get that.
@geeson You talk a lot in hindsight. Happ has pitched in the AL East for the last 7 years and had 3 consecutive seasons with an ERA of 3.65 or less. He was a combined 17-6 with a 3.65 ERA in 31 starts last year, 7-0 with a 2.69 ERA once he came to NY. He had a lifetime ERA of 3.00 in 21 starts vs the Red Sox. He’s a lefty who doesn’t rely on velocity as he’s consistently been in the low 90s for most of his career. His lifetime record at NYS is 13-7. To acquire him as a FA it took nothing but cash and the commitment to him was reasonable at 2/$34 with a vesting option for a 3rd year. Signing Corbin may have been a better option but it would likely have been 5/$150 mil for a guy who spent his entire year in the NL and already had a significant arm injury. I had hoped we got him but I’m not mad if $30 mil per was more than he wanted to pay.
Your so smart. Tell me why signing Happ to that deal was the wrong move. I really want you to tell me that most other GMs in the same position as Cash would not have done the same? I want you to give me a reason for your harsh critique of that deal. Or do you just like to pick and choose which moves to hate in hindsight?
You say nothing good about the other moves. DJ, Ottavino, Voit, Urshela. You just harp on Happ and CC who was brought back on a 1/$8 mil to be a freaking 5th starter???? CC was a top 50 pitcher in WAR and a bunch of other categories and for a 5th starter he did fine last year. Certainly the contracts of Gardner and CC were not major commitments and they could have easily been replaced with Frazier and a bunch of guys we had in AAA. The only problem is the rash of injuries thinned out our depth.
@geeson Yanks bullpen #1 in WAR <—facts
Corbin literally signed for 6 years and 140 MM with cash deferred. That was a huge swing and a miss by Cashman and his risk team that told him they just couldn’t do the extra year for a solid arm like Corbin. He picked the Bargain pin player and is dealing w the choice. Happ is old, Happ posted a 4.41 FIP w the Yanks last year. He’s about what you SHOULD have expected. Paxton got worse in NY. That could’ve went either way. If you have any shot against Hou in October he’s going to have to come up big.
jbigz12, the baseball world knows of what you speak.
dude- you are just wrong. i have acknowledged his wins and harp almost extensively on his pitching failures.
That is fact. I could not care less about what happ did in toronto or Pittsburgh. The fact remains he is an aging #3 who never should have been resigned today. Plus your are an idiot as i was against this move from day one including the trade for him last year that was a total mirage of reality. That Corbin who is 7 years younger got only 6 mil more in AAV shows what a dufus cash is. who else was chasing him? are you happy with happless? do you want to see him start a game in October?
Same with CC.
The pen is great but not what was expected. Again fact
lastly, since you fail to understand this, there is not one other GM in the same position as Cashman. He stands alone by revenue, value, resources, capacity and brand. If Cash had ever once developed a pitcher like Bauer, they would sign him to the 20 mil a year deal and not trade him. why? b/c he does not have the same constraints the Indians do. Do you think Bauer would be a Red if the Indians weren’t limited by $$$$.
Like the Cavs and Knicks who have no clue you clearly dont either. stop calling me and others out amateur. If the Yanks win the WS I’ll apologize- other than that zip it.
one WS in 18 years- that is the only stat that matters
im not running interference. im using context.
correct. so the Yankees would’ve had to exceed that offer i assume. everyone was surprised that he signed for that much.
So what you’re saying is a GM in the AL East was wrong to sign a guy who had a recent history of succeeding in the AL East, who just came off a great season. who went 7-0 for you when you acquired him and has been relatively healthy. who only required a 2 year deal? ok… I’m done dealing with you if you can’t concede it was a logical move. That signing didn’t preclude him from getting any other. you can absolutely criticize him for Paxton because of his injury history but the Happ deal made perfect sense.
The pen is great but not what was expected. Again fact
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It doesn’t get a lot of press, mostly because writers thought it was the best BP in history. It’s certainly good, but not great. #4 in ERA, #5 in OPSa.
Chapman, Britton, and Ottavino have a combined 4.88 BB/9. And Chapman might’ve just had his worst month in his career.
i liked the pax deal but not in a vacuum which it was. I quote cashman “we need Pitching Pitching and Pitching” he acquired one injury prone guy who has under performed even then he was never an ace. Nonetheless, cash acquired him, so it s on cash,
As for Happ. again, stupid move. and it’s a 3 year deal unless they cut or trade him next year. Again, what other team wanted him? what other team was going to give him 17 per? Only Cash would be fooled by a 10 game stretch. Plus the yanks hide him now b/c he is so bad. They skip him against boston whenever possible.
only bad GMs give average aging pitchers 3 year deals.
You are really insane. The royals have been to more world series in the past 10 years than the Yanks and yet Cash is great? the rays and mets too. he is finally going to get the media hits he deserves and has earned.
You probably think the knicks had a good off season too.
Cashman thinks Frazier and Garcia and Florial have value… LOL.
They do. Seeing you on every Yankees post is exhausting. For the sake of wondering, what team are you a fan of?
Scranton Railraiders
They have value but not centerpiece of a major trade value. They’re add ons
Cashman thinks Frazier and Garcia and Florial have value… LOL.
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Florial has flatlined. And the NYY didn’t think enough of Frazier to make him their DH instead of trading for EE.
Garcia looks pretty good, but I don’t think Frazier or Florial have much value.
No worries, Cashman can overpay for Gerrit Cole in the off season and push them back over the luxury tax again. Keep in mind that Judge, Sanchez, Voit, Torres (in 2021) and others will be arbitration eligible and costs for their young core will increase exponentially from there. So the Yankees have a 2-3 year window to win before they’ll need to start moving players to stay under the $240M max threshold. That’s why he should have made a deal now. They just punted on 2019, so window is getting smaller..
Cashman is too wimpy to get Cole. He balked on getting Kuechel and Corbin this year. I think he will settle for some aging former star like maybe Hamels or Wainwright. Or Cashman will just go with Lasagna and Garcia… LOL
I don’t blame him for passing on Keuchel or Cole, personally. If they don’t get Cole next offseason, though. Cashman needs to go.
Teams with the best chance to sign Cole in order:
1-Padres
2-Angels
3-Dodgers
4-Astros
@popemarley Why would the Padres be the favorites? Because he grew in Cali? So did CC.
1. The money to spend.
2. A very bright future
3. Yes being close to home
@Dorothy_Mantooth When have the Yanks allowed a player they wanted to keep to leave over money and it made sense to let them walk? Cano? Just as the Yanks have players moving towards FA they also have players who they will let walk. Tanaka, Sabathia, Ellsbury, Happ, Gardner and perhaps Chapman will all be off the books in the next two seasons.
I hope you aren’t betting to much on not bringing back Gardner. Or Tanaka.
why????
Yankees are toast for not getting pitching. Sad to see them piss a great season down their legs.
I was hoping the Red Sox would stand pat as they aren’t going anywhere in the playoffs. I am shocked the Yankees didn’t get Greinke or Ray or really any quality starter.
Put them both together and then look at the moves by the Reds, Padres, Tribe, Mets, etc…. and this was a bizarro trade deadline.
How would the Yankees get a top starter? I mean really. They don’t have the minor league talent and the players they have on their team (Torrez) are too valuable to risk trading.
I agree the Yankees should probably not trade Torres, but that team has more than enough offense to trade from at both the ML and ml levels. If you’re not going to trade Torres or Judge then you have to trade someone at the ML level — unless you’re willing to risk punt 2019 and try again with pitching next year.
They have 3 prospects on the top MLB100 list, and have what many in the industry think of as a deep system. It might not have handfuls of top-end/near MLB talent like the Padres, but they still have many valuable/desirable pieces… the majority of them happen to be in low A ball… Now go away because you continue to have no clue what you’re talking about.
No they don’t
The Red Sox could definitely go places in the playoffs. Maybe not as good as last year, but it seems like most years the Red Sox are more of a second half team..
Love all the comments on the Yankees being smart for holding onto there prospects is it smart yes, will it matter? Not a chance with Houston adding grenkie and Sanchez. They should be a WS lock for the next 3-5 years pending extensions, I did say should. But that’s a tough team to face and beat more then once for a fan base who wants to win it all year in and year out. Yankees staff is prolly pretty similar to Houston in age yet it’s the quality that doesn’t compare Yankees like Boston needed to go win now like Houston did and neither made a big move. Houston will be the team to beat going forward. It doesn’t matter how many high end prospects you have as they all develop differently vs true win now talent. #sorrynotsorry all you stat minded guys, it’s just common sense and the history of the game.
Oh boy, he hashtagged sorry not sorry, guys. He clearly won this one.
Despite his post being illiterate and borderline cringe the point he’s trying to make is relevant. The Astros added two starters and a reliever, and the other two current division leaders didn’t do much. The Twins added to their bullpen which they needed to do, but it was a single piece, and the Yankees didn’t do anything even leading up to the deadline.
Did the Twins do enough? Maybe, maybe not. Hard to beat what the Indians were able to do by trading Bauer. Did the Yankees do enough? No. They should have been aiming to either take the top seed in the AL to avoid Houston, which neither did, or made additions to be able to compete against Houston, which neither did. The Yankees especially decided to operate like a small market team and value their prospects over potentially winning the pennant and another World Series.
Just strange decision making on the part of the Yankees, not wanting to part with maybe an injured player or a top prospect in Single A.
Red Sox were up against the highest lux tax line totally different. The Astros are in go for it now mode they aren’t going to be the best for 3-5 years cmon now. They probably lose Cole next year they are going to start having to make decisions because the team is going to start to get expensive. It was a really good go for it now move and the Astros have to be the favorite this year barring injuries. The 3-5 year favorite thing is silly comment though.
A lot of Astro fans pretend they could be AL West champions for the next 3-5 years, but the A’s have been close without some of their best talent. Next year when they get Manaea back in that rotation, Luzardo and Puk joining in, Murphy behind the plate to catch them and other highly touted internal prospects, things could change.
Here’s what a potential ALCS pitching matchup looks like: (1) Verlander vs Tanaka; (2) Greinke vs Paxton; (3) Cole vs German; (4) Miley vs Happ. Astros in 5 games tops. Throw an able-bodied Severino in there and it doesn’t change. Well done, ‘Stros!
whoa there son- Brian cashman is the GOAT.
Miley won’t get a start it will be a 3 man
I bet the Yankees would pull the trigger now on the Ray and/or Stroman deals since they know Houston got Grienke
I don’t think the Yankees getting Ray would make a difference against the current loaded Astros.
It would have done more than hoping Severino comes back to form after missing the entire season, and it would have helped them next year as well. The Astros will likely lose Cole, which leaves them with Greinke and Verlander. Yankees could be in on Cole, which would leave them with a potential rotation of Cole, Severino, Paxton, German and Ray. This wouldn’t even have been a win now move, it would have given them years of control over a pretty solid lefty.
correct- the stros got the way better pitcher who makes a difference. Cashman targeted the mediocre one with era of 4 in DHless NL. Glad he passed there.
Of course the D-Back he should have gotten was corbin. ooops- Should have let that go as who are any of us to question the genius.
#cashmustgo
Stanton didn’t cost a thing but some some money lol
Some money? How about a ton of money
the jays asked for Torres and Garcia. Only a idiot GM makes that trade with Toronto
When the Yankees were building the “Baby Bombers”, they were very smart about it. Then they went back to window shopping and acquired Giancarlo Stanton. Disappointing!
@GaryHarris
Right….they went back to window shopping despite the fact that Voit, Torres, Didi, Andujar/Urshela, Sanchez, Judge, Hicks, Frazier, Paxton, Severino, etc were all brought through the minors or acquired using prospects. Your point really is lost. Stanton fell into our laps and the two prospects we traded so far leaves no sellers remorse. How is the Yanks of old? They traded the then reigning NL MVP who was what, 28 at the time?
So that means you’re happy paying $27M per to Stanton until he is 37?
How could they possibly go through the deadline without picking up a starter? I’d say the chances Severino comes back and pitches like himself in time for the playoffs is only like 20 percent.
Yeah, they’re not great. The A’s are banking on Manaea or Luzardo coming back and impacting the roster, but we don’t have nearly as much money or talent on our major league roster or in our farm. It’s just weird by Cashman to act like the 76ers and trust the process.
What exactly is Severino like? He hasn’t had one good complete season.
Your problem remains Larry Rothschild. It’s nice that he tunes up high-priced previously successful veteran relief pitchers – and develops a younger one once a year…..that regresses the next year. But he has done a crummy job for years in developing starting pitching. Sonny Gray is pitching fine in the bandbox park in Cincy this year. But then, he has an excellent pitching coach.
Yankee prospects are always touted by the mainstream media as the best of the best. I keep reading that the Yankees have 4-5 excellent young starting pitching prospects in AAA and a few that are touch and go in the bigs – Severaino and German…..that go through a hot streak for a few months, then flame out. It’s been 3 years now that I’ve read about the same guys. Where are they?
No one is standing in line to get the Yankees overrated pitching prospects. The Indians surely knew better when they were shopping Bauer…..and the Indians know pitching.
I’ve come on here for years and read Yankee fans state – “Rothschild is one of the best pitching coaches in the business”. No. He’s not. He should have been replaced last off-season. I don’t know how he makes it through this off-season.
Severino has had one good season but besides that he’s nothing special at all. Yankee fans are quick to talk smack and call everyone else a #3 but that would make Severino at 4 because Bauer syndergaard and ray are all better than him
@kingbeas and @vandals
Doesn’t a season consist of a first half and second half combined? Seems to me that two seasons where he finishes 3rd and 8th in the Cy Young would indicate that he has had 2 good seasons? Seasons….seasons.
At age 24 he’s not a finished product and he has had bad stretches but I bet you can say that about all pitchers.
I tell you can talk junk if you want, I don’t care but the revisionism is hilarious. Amd I don’t know what great SP prospects you’re thinking of. Severino, German and Montgomery were the only ones the Yanks kept. Unless you mean Chance Adams who’s certainly been a disappointment but I don’t think anyone was talking of him being elite.
Talking junk? Revisionism?
Severino, German, Montgomery, Adams, Cessa, Loaisiga.
It’s been 3 years I’ve been reading about how sensational they all are going to be.
How could not a one of them be up in the majors pitching consistent baseball for an entire season?
Yes, there are times Severino and German had 2-3 month stretches where they dominated. But then they fell apart. Montgomery had some good stretches, but nothing exceptional. OK, so he got hurt.
If these guys were so good, why do the Yankees have to sign free agents and make transactions every off-season at the trade deadline to find starters? They didn’t do it this trade deadline, and Cashman is being filleted by the media and fans.
The Yankees current starters consist of Tanaka (FA), Sabathia ( FA), Happ (trade, then FA), and German (via trade, 2019 ERA over 4 after a hot start to the season, July ERA 4.67). None of these guys is better then a #3 starter.
How can fans expect a team to be a contender when they can’t develop some starting pitchers on their own? The game is primarily about pitching. (And pitchers are supported not so much by run support, as by defenders that makes plays behind them allowing starters to eat more innings with their allotted 100-115 pitches each game).
The Yankees organizational pitching philosophy needs to be re-examined this off-season, and changed. Rothschild needs to be replaced. How the catching staff handles pitchers, calls a game, and blocks breaking balls in the dirt needs to be re-evaluated (silly framing and throwing out baserunners trying to steal are at best incidental issues compared to the 3 skills mentioned above).
A team that wants to be a constant serious World Series contender has to be able to develop and maintain pitching – especially starting pitching. Who doesn’t know that?
As usual, Cashman thinks he is smarter than everyone else. He overvalued his prospects and he is now blew a chance to actually win a World Series this year. Houston has the best starters, 3 guys with WHIPs under 1.10 and they will be tough to beat. However, getting Ray would have helped big time. He punted and they Yankees will get crushed by Houston so have fun winning over 100 games and then easily getting beat in ALCS.
Who says the Yankees even make it to the ALCS?
You say Cashman “overvalued his prospects”.
I’d suggest that it’s people like you and the NYC media that are the ones doing the overvaluing. The reason teams ask for so many of their prospects in a trade is that they know their prospects are not that good, and most are going to wash out. So they play a numbers game – figuring get 4, 2 never get out of the minors, one might be a backup for a few years, and one might develop into a major leaguer that can play for 3-5 years. Better still – teams trading get better prospects from other organizations.
The Yankees farm system is depleted again. Maybe not as bad as the Mets, but not as whole lot better.
@Vandals Took The Handles
I think it should be understood that the farm went from being “ok” to being great for 2-3 years and it’s not ranked high because they’ve graduated Judge, Severino, Sanchez, Andujar, Torres, Voit, etc and traded away about 15 other guys in trades for Happ, Britton, Stanton, etc over the last 2 years.
Also, can we stop saying “our” prospects are overrated. We don’t write the prospect lists. It kills me how prospect lists of all 29 other teams are valid but the Yankee prospects are overrated. Did they not graduate several all-stars in the last 4 years? Maybe more than any other team, or just as many at least. Most of our core guys are 22-30 years old.
Sorry, but the national media constantly harps about how wonderful Yankee and Red Sox prospects are in the 60-some years I’ve been watching. And reading comments by homers on blogs like this one make all those 2 teams prospects simply superior to the rest of MLB teams.
Yes, the Yankees traded away prospects to get veteran players. All contending teams do. And yes, their farm system is now pretty much depleted because of it.
But let’s go back to the issue at hand – if the Yankees could develop some strong, consistent starting pitching then less trades and FA signings would be needed.
Exact same thing for Red Sox system.
Im not pretending that Boston’s farm system is superior and all systems have highly rated prospects flame out but some people act like they never live up and Boston has a pretty strong history. Here os an off the top of my head list of guys who had solid careers to being all stars and more in some cases. Betts, Devers, Bogaerts, Bradley, Vazquez, Pedroia, Ellsbury, Buchholz, Lester, Papelbon, Youkilis, Nixon, Garciaparra, Vaughn, Clemens, Greenwell, Burks, Boggs. Id say they are as good as an delivering especially without a lot of top 10 picks.
Steve… Frazier AND another prospect? Frazier isn’t a prospect. He exceded his rookie status in ’17. He’s hitting .240/.290 at AAA. Erik Kratz is doing better… Is he a prospect? Logan Morrison? Cliff Pennington? Come on Yankee lovers… Frazier is what he is… a minor league depth piece. You won’t get a top pitcher for that garbage. Every team has those guys.
Did you really think someone would take Frazier and another prospect for Ray? Really? Come on Steve… you can do better than that. Well, your Yankee fans love you for it. LOL
@melchez I love how you refer to him as a “depth piece” and site his .240.298/.447 line in 141 PA and completely ignore the .283/.330/.513 slash w/ 11 homers in 209 PA he had in the majors this year before being sent down to work on his defense or attitude.
I also know I’m a sucker for responding to your trolling. I love the way you pick and choose what stats to set forth, if you’re using facts at all. Why the hate bro?
Also., just because the Yanks make an offer doesn’t mean the other team is obligated to take it. Maybe they don’t need another OF bat. Maybe their scouts don’t agree. Same goes for every other team that missed out too.
We want Madbum no Frazier
Frazier is to much for Ray
Yes. It’s so intriguing to read about the failures of the most hated team….the team that plays in a softball stadium. George must be rolling in his grave
Its truly rough that the Yanks didnt acquire a frontline starter at the deadline. With Houston getting Greinke..that makes them clearly the favorites out of the American League. I understand wanting to keep ur prospects..but if ur 1 top of the rotation starter away from being world series favorites…u gotta pull the trigger.
The word out is the Mets asked for Garcia and Florial for Stroman…
Now…i understand Stroman isnt Bumgarner or Greinke…but he is a bonafied top of the rotation piece. Top 5 in era pitching in the rough AL East. I would have pulled the trigger. Houston is now the clear favorites in the AL
I want Stroman as much as the next guy but how can you justify giving Garcia and Florial up for him when the Mets only had to give up Kay and Richardson. That isnt a slight tax by any means
Stroman’s worth has nothing to do with what the NYMs paid for him. It really only matters what he is worth to the NYY. IMVHO, Florial doesn’t have much value.
So the question is, is Stroman worth more over the next 2 years than Garcia is potentially 2 years from now? I don’t think Stroman is a difference-maker against Houston.
But it’s a legitimate question to ask if Stroman is worth overpaying for so that you can compete better over the next 2 years.
And that’s all she wrote folks is anyone surprised? At least I didn’t wasie my time watching them this year and I won’t even watch them in the playoffs.
Hopefully next off season the go out and get SP and take Brett Garbage and throw him in the garbage too if that happens I’ll watch again.
I’m very proud of myself for not watching one inning this year. Very proud.
When you leave a bad taste in a fans mouth he has evr right not to watch.
2019 Don’t bring back CC Happ and Gardner and throw Bird in the trash
2020 SAME AS 19!
I’m not suprised on how the deadline went for the Yankees.
When you can sign Corbin Dallas Morton for cash YOU DO IT!
And Fire LArry for crying out loud it’s a simple as black and white. I’ll never understad the reason they didn’t let Boone choose his pitching coach. only this Fk team!
This is great! Entritlement mentality run amuck.
For sure Dallas and Morton had no desire to play in NYC. Maybe Corbin as well.
lol
Clint Frazier is not as good as the Yankees think
121 OPS+ through 53 games
Then why get EE to be your DH?
I have already explained this to you on another thread. The Yankees wanted another 1B on the roster to give Voit rest. I know they have DJ and that he’s played 1B a bit but they clearly arent satisfied with DJ being their backup at 1B. They have been trying to carry two 1B on the roster since the beginning of the season till now (Voit & Bird, then Voit & Ford, now Voit & EE). On top of that, multiple OFers returning from injury (Judge, Stanton, and Hicks all came back at the time of Fraziers demotion) made Frazier the odd man out. He wouldve been the 6th OFer on their 25 man. In an effort to not stunt his growth they sent him to AAA so instead of having him get spot starts and irregular playing time he plays everyday.
EE also brings playoff experience. Thats more of a compliment towards EE and not a knock against Frazier though.
They opted for EE since he plays 1B and they opted for Tauchman because they werent worried about stunting his growth as much as they are with Frazier. He isnt in AAA because he cant hit.
And the Yankees resigned and are still playing Gardner who is past his prime instead of giving Frazier that spot for some reason as well.
+ffrhb14Sox
I mean, Gardner has put up 2.6 WAR already this season. Its not like he is completely stinking it up out there.
Anyway, they brought back a known entity in Gardner to be their 4th OFer. One has to remember that at the time of that signing, it was remain to be seen how Frazier would come back from his concussion injury & long layoff, especially given that he was still a rather unproven player in general.
Doesnt that raise an eyebrow for some WAR calculations? I wouldnt choose to replace many OFs in the game w Gardner but he is “above average.” Injuries, talent, defense, attitude, something is the reason he can’t supplant Gardner still which in my opinion is a low level player now.
He cant supplant Gardner still due to the fact that you cant just send down Gardner. They’d have to release him and that doesnt make any baseball sense. You make Frazier the everyday LFer after Gardner plays his usual solid defense and has bounced back offensively enough to put up an OPS+ of 108 after an extremely rocky start to the season. Then what? What kind of message does that send to the rest of the team when you push a veteran, that has played his role, for what is essentially a rookie?
The only real knock against Frazier is his defensive play. It was kinda bearable before but this season he has been bad in the field. Gardner as a 4th OFer brought stability in the field and someone that could play everyday or could play irregularly. Frazier is in AAA due to a roster crunch which stems from an overwhelming amount of above average OFers at the major league level. Both Gardner and Frazier would be starting OFers on many teams in the league.
He is so good he is resigned to sucking hind tit in AAA
@billsmith He was not sent to AAA because of his bat. Amazing how ppl put more faith in what he did in 53 games at the highest level vs what he’s done since being demoted, whether it was for his defense or some personality issues. When he was with the Indians he was an elite prospect. He comes to NY and suddenly he’s overrated.
Suddenly? He was traded over three years ago. A lot has happened.
I see tow issues here.
1-His pro K/W is 115/25, pretty bad. His OPS is a respectable .78, but his BABIP is .339. Both numbers could easily regress.
2-They had a chance to make him the DH/#5 outfielder. The NYY chose EE instead. If Frazier is as good a hitter as some think, then wouldn’t the NYY prefer the cheaper player in Frazier, with at least a modest benefit of him being able to play the field?
he missed time due to concussions not an inability to hit. since when do we ignore the numbers?
2. *They bad a chance to make him the 6th OFer. Gardner, Maybin, Hicks, Judge, Stanton and then Frazier. Frazier is probably better option at the plate than Maybin and Gardner but you cant just send Maybe and Gardner down to AAA and bring them up when you need them, unlike Frazier. Besides, the knocks against Frazier has been his fielding, not his hitting. Gardner and Maybin both are better fielders than Frazier and you want your 4th and 5th OFers (you know, the ones that wont be seeing as much time at the plate as your starters) to be good fielders.
Prospects are usually overrated…..
Yankees offered fair compensation and Arizona tried to fleece em. Go with what you got and hope for the best. They are more than capable of making a run and this coming from a Giants fan. Get after it and get er done
Yankees offered fair compensation and Arizona tried to fleece em.
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I suspect that you just made that up. The NYY are on Greinke’s no-trade list, so I doubt AZ ever made an offer to the NYY.
Moreover, there are a gazillion posts referring, basically, that no one wanted to trade with the Yankees. Either because they were in-division, or in the AL, or because everyone wants to rob the NYY.
Every year, almost every contender manages trades to improve their odds. One can argue that Cashman chose to not overpay. But everyone is available at the right price.
He probably isnt referring to Arizona trying to fleece them on a Grienke trade but a Robbie Ray trade
This Yankee rotation is worst in years
Dbacks win and Yankees lose because the trade never happened.
As expected and stated many times, Frazier is overrated by anyone not a Yanks fan. Teams weren’t willing to give up much of anything for him, despite all the harping and showboating by Cashman.