10:10am: Canning spoke with reporters about his injury and took a positive tone, suggesting that he feels the injury is little more than “normal wear and tear” and likening the issue to one that sidelined him last August (Twitter thread via Fletcher). The MRI did not reveal any tearing of the ulnar collateral ligament. Still, the “chronic changes” referenced by the team will be the subject of further testing.
February 28, 8:45am: The Angels announced that Canning’s MRI revealed “chronic changes to the UCL and acute joint irritation” in his right elbow. No immediate treatment or timetable was provided, as the organization has scheduled further tests and evaluation over the “next couple days.”
February 27: In an all-too-familiar bit of ominous news for Angels fans, manager Joe Maddon revealed today that right-hander Griffin Canning is headed for an MRI to examine his right elbow (Twitter link via Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register). Canning felt something abnormal during yesterday’s Cactus League outing, per Maddon, who acknowledged some organizational concern regarding the injury.
The Angels’ pitching staff has been decimated by injury in recent seasons, and that litany of pitcher injuries only makes the Canning scenario feel all the more foreboding. Canning, after all, is one of the club’s most promising young arms and has been expected to play a key role on the 2020 staff. The 23-year-old was a second-round pick out of UCLA back in 2017 and entered the 2019 campaign as a consensus top 100 prospect in the game. Canning parlayed a trio of dominant Triple-A starts into his first call to the Majors, going on to toss 90 1/3 frames with a 4.58 ERA (4.37 FIP), 9.6 K/9, 3.0 BB/9 and 1.39 HR/9. He was slowed by inflammation in his right elbow along the way, however.
The Halos entered the offseason with their sights set on adding a top-end talent to the rotation but instead signed Anthony Rendon to bolster the lineup and defense after missing out on Gerrit Cole. Anaheim did sign free agent righty Julio Teheran and acquire right-hander Dylan Bundy from the Orioles with the goal of adding that duo to a rotation mix that also included Canning, Andrew Heaney and (in mid-May) a returning Shohei Ohtani.
If Canning misses any time, though, the Angels will be looking at an Opening Day rotation consisting of Heaney, Teheran (assuming his hamstring issue does indeed prove minor) and Bundy, with little certainty beyond that. Patrick Sandoval, Jaime Barria, Dillon Peters and Jose Suarez are all on the 40-man roster and all have some MLB experience, but that’s a highly unproven quartet. Swingman Matt Andriese, acquired from the D-backs, could be stretched out for starting duties during camp as well; he spent the entire ’19 season in the Arizona bullpen but does have 49 starts at the big league level under his belt (all but one coming with the Rays).
Still can’t believe they didn’t go through with that LA swap
Honestly the players they were receiving wouldnt have moved the needle and Regifo has a lot of potential.
Stripling is a 5 inning guy and Joc is a strikeout machine.
Can sign either one to a modest contract next offseason
Stripling has the stuff to get through a line-up 2 1/2 to 3 times a game. His inning totals are only low because the team he plays on
He really hasn’t shown that tho
Strippling has more potential this season than any other pitcher we have, other than Ohtani.who will be limited on IP and on the IL.
Next offseason? Waste ANOTHER year of the best player in Baseballs prime? As for Strip being a 5 inning guy, well that’s about two more innings than what the Angels have going…….
This. By last September they were leaving pitchers in to face other lineups one time. Stripling, if he’s a 5 inning guy in reality, is still a big step in the right direction.
Strippling would have instantly become there top starter till Ohtani came back dude…
No
Strip has another year
Stripling let’s face it he’s not a very durable Starting pitcher he never gone more than 130 innings in his career Good for fifth inning
The Angels have a below average farm system with no starting pitching on the horizon. They also have two bad contracts in Pujols and Upton that will cost the Angels 50 million the next two seasons. In other words, the Angels won’t be making the playoffs anytime soon. It will be 2023 before both Pujols and Upton are off the books and by that time Trout and Rendon will be 31 and 32 and possibly declining. The Angels are a team in desperate need of a rebuild and won’t be in position to contend until they do so.
Below average farm? They are ranked 15 with 2 in top 100 prospects. Clearly you know nothing ever heard of jo addel of brandon marsh?
15th is one away from being below average.
No it isn’t. 15th is the system’s rank relative to the other teams. It isn’t a measure of the quality of the system, and it’s certainly not an average of anything. 15 WOULD be the mean for number’s 1-30, which also tells you nothing useful.
Mo4ever, and I believe they are rated as high as 9th on another site.
No one is saying they have a great farm system, but they are not close to having a bad farm system.
The offensive prospects are not in question here, we’re talking about pitching
Who ranked them 15th? This site did a top 15 to end 2019 and they weren’t on the list. 2 players does not make a farm system.
No one has them ranked 9th. I’ve seen them ranked 25th though. https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2869433-updated-farm-system-rankings-for-every-mlb-team-at-the-start-of-2020.amp.html
Ok so a couple of issues here:
These two players would certainly move the needle for the 2020 club. Rengifo’s floor is super-utility which has value, but not sure he’s going to hit enough to see time as a regular at 2b/ss. It would have been a no-brainer to include him in this deal in my opinion.
While I agree with you that it’s difficult to quantify Stripling’s durability, he is something of a victim of circumstance being part of a loaded Dodgers pitching staff. That being said, even if he turned out to be a 5 inning guy he would be a valuable upgrade considering the current state of the Angels rotation.
Joc’s strikeout numbers were a bigger concern earlier in his career. Notice he’s sitting right around league average in each of the last 3 years.
With Adell coming the Angels probably will not be in on Joc as a free agent next year. That part of the deal was likely always just about 2020. Stripling is contolled through 2022 via arbitration and therefore cannot be signed as you suggested.
Sounds great, can you call Arte Moreno for me and convince him to try that deal again?
If Canning is out, they absolutely have to revisit this deal.
I would love to only add Stripling. But if the Angels need to take Pederson to complete the deal, then fine.
If Moreno and Eppler return as supplicants, Friedman should raise the price: Stripling and all of A.J. Pollock’s contract plus Rengifo.
Not a chance!!!!
Dopey shouldn’t have nixed it
Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Angels have the worst rotation injuries ever!
Ever hear of the Yankees?
Sorry Freddy, not comparable.
The Angels have only had a starting pitcher remain healthy for an entire season during once during the last four seasons. And not once during the last three seasons.
Not true. 2018 Barria. 2017 Nolasco. 2016 Weaver and Santiago. 2015 Shoemaker and Santiago.
I randomly looked at a few clubs. 2015-2019 (5 Seasons)
NYY had 8 SPs go through an entire season with no injured list
ATL had 9
BOS had 12
Hou had 12
Cubs had 12
So yeah, the Angels have been worse off than others, but not as bad as only having one stay healthy for a full season
Not quite as comparable but certainly worthy of discussion. The Yankees are lucky they have such a dominant bullpen to go with a ton of offensive depth.
2015? 2016 – 2017 is four seasons..
It is true..
Barria was a replacement.
In 2016 Weaver weaver went on the DL.
Shoemaker was not one of the projected starters.
Santiago made 22 starts in 2016
@Halo11Fan I know I added a year. Still I’ll take these one at a time:
2018 – Barria made his first start on April 11, 2018. Made 26 starts with no time on DL. .
2016 – Weaver spent exactly ZERO days on the DL. Started 31 games
Shoemaker started April 8 (Game 3) in 2015. No DL all year and started 24 games.
Santiago started April 7 (Game 3) in 2016. No DL all year and yes started 22 games – 3rd most on the team.
I notice you don’t mention Nolasco in 2017 which blows your “not once in the last three years” claim.
Go look at other teams, they’re a lot like the Angels. I used the good teams from the past five years to illustrate how close it is between the winners and the middle of pack. Just like Angel fans think they’ve had more arm injuries than any other org. The facts don’t support that. It’s familiarity bias. You follow the Angels closely so you see every little thing, but you don’t see every little thing from other teams.
Starts information from baseballreference dot com. Disabled list information from Sportac dot com.
They’ve had two deaths in the past 10 years. Your data failed to show that!!
hoss, my guess is you are not an Angle fan. Which is fine.
Let me amplify my statement. . The Angels have entered spring training the last four years with 21 projected starters. They had a six man rotation one year. Twenty out of the 21, went on the DL.
You think that has happened to another team? I doubt it.
Let use Canning as an example. If Canning needs Tommy John and Andriese opens the season and has 30 starts. Does it mean that Canning didn’t go on the DL?
That explains Barria and Santiago. . That explains Shoemaker in 2015, they were not suppose to start. But 2015 was a relatively
The Angels projected spring training starters for 2016 were . Richards, Heaney, Wearer, Wilson, Shoemaker and Skaggs was #6.
Weaver went on the DL in 2016.. Not for long, but he did,. He got hurt the previous year, the Weaver that came back was not Weaver.
The Angels have entered spring training the last four years with 21 projected starters. They had a six man rotation one year. Twenty out of the 21, went on the DL.
hoss,
Just checking. Wever didn’t go on the DL. I thought he spent a two week stint on the DL that year.
OK. So our two pitchers that didn’t go on the DL had an ERA+ of 79 and 86.
I don’t think any other team comes close. but I could be wrong, I’m only follow the Angels this closely.
The Angels has a pitcher literally die last season….
@Freddy….Skaggs called and wants you to rethink your comment
So does Adenhart
Oh Freddy….<——- typical Yankee fan.
@Freddy The Yankees have no where near the injuries that the Angels have when it comes to the starting rotation. The Angels had Cahill lead the team in innings pitched at 102 IP last year. When the Yankees have a pitcher with 102IP lead the team, then you can compare.
Actually, my fantasy team, featuring Severino and Canning, has it worse.
But you probably only meant real teams.
(Btw, my other pitching keepers are Flaherty and Maeda so if you have them you may want to sell, cause bad times are coming)
I hope it”s nothing serious. But I hope it revives the Angel/Dodger trade
What was wrong with the LA LA Land trade? Was it the LAD that pulled out? I know it was after the Betts trade, but the only change to the LAD side was that they effectively swapped out Downs for Graterol. I don’t know why they’d have changed their mind.
Arte Moreno of the Angels nixed the trade, the Dodgers were still willing to make the deal.
The Dodgers have gone on record saying the deal was no longer necessary.
Arte literally came out and said he was the one who nixed the deal
Arte did too
Once Joc’s lower arbitration number came back and after agreeing to take on $27M for Betts and $16M for Price, the Dodgers realizes they would not get below the CBT threshold by trading Strip & Joc so they deemed it was no longer necessary for them. While the Angels technically backed out of the deal, I’m guessing that the Dodgers were asking for some pretty decent prospects from Anaheim above and beyond Rengifo.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Very true. All that said, I would have loved to have Stripling, however nobody knows the cost. Since people don’t know the cost, how can they be upset the Angels didn’t make the deal?
What do you expect and Dodgers to say after the angels Took the trade off the table
Haha angels don’t have decent prospects. Still dumb on their part
The Angels don’t have decent prospects? What are you talking about?
After reworking the trades with the Ted Sox and Twins, they no longer deemed the trade with the Angels necessary. Basically, they along with the Red Sox were wasting the Angels’ time. Plus, Arte also said that money is better suited for getting a top starter mid-season, and he’s right. The Angels can’t keep stocking up on a lot of maybes in their rotation. So I don’t blame Arte one bit.
Krol, ” getting a top starter mid-season” with what assets? The Angels have one of the worst systems in baseball. Please enlighten us on how they are going to pull that trade off?
Angels system ranked near the middle of the pack by most outlets. It isn’t a terribly deep system, but high upside guys like Jordyn Adams, Jeremiah Jackson, and Deshaun Knowles are there. Closer to MLB level is Brandon Marsh.
The Angels might not have a ton of chips to play, but they have enough to get a solid arm.
I got a better idea. Do your own homework and educate yourself with the correct information before commenting.
“solid arm” and “top starter” are not the same animal…….
Ranked “middle of the pack by most outlets” where? Not MLB, Baseball America, Bleacher Report, etc. I agree with you about a “solid arm.” but there is next to no chance at a top of the rotation starter.
I stand by what I said, Krol. The Angels have a bottom-five farm system. Maybe you should stop drinking Arte’s Kool-Aid and do some research yourself, amigo.
VernonWellsPuckerHole
You stand by that? Well I stand by any statement that says the Red Sox are one of the worst five teams in baseball.
You can stand by ignorant statements, but they are still ignorant statements.
Halos11Fan … I’m talking about farm systems. Nothing remotely ignorant about what I am saying. Thank you for playing.
Stupido
Watch friedman still get under the luxury tax. He’ll show arte how it’s done
Vernon, it’s an ignorant comment. I know you are talking about the Angels farm system. But anyone who uses Bleacher Report as a reference is by definition ignorant.
Baseball America has them at 16. That might be the lowest because they don’t like Jordyn Adams.
and…
And speaking of MiLB, their website is taking a novel approach to organizational farm evaluation and assessing by component. Their position player rankings are out, and the Angels’ system is ranked at #9 in positional talent,
I always research. Stop wasting your time with Bleacher Report.
Vernon likes own comments so he doesn’t feel alone. Currently angels as of last year where 17 and the new ranking are still rolling out With no full lists available for this year. So your talking out of your a** vernon.
I cant believe Angels fans would get excited about long-reliever Ross Stripling, yet be underwhelmed by additions of top half SPs Bundy & Teheran.
Ross is only a long reliever for the Dodgers. As an Angel he’d be anywhere from their #1 to their #3. Teheran is a solid add, Strip’s numbers are every bit as good.
Easy to get excited when you have to root for that rotation
Freddy H – Teheran should be a decent addition to the rotation. But, Bundy… are you really asking why Angels fans are underwhelmed? Have you seen his numbers? The Angels are essentially taking Baltimore’s trash… that’s pretty bad.
No one wanted Gerrit Cole either when the Pirates dumped him. Turns out he stopped caring in Pittsburgh.
Bundy is a monster if you can get him motivated.
Top-3 Offseason move overall is Bundy landing on a contender,
yet Angels literally have the worst fans I’ve noticed lately .. but I kind of dont blame them for being panicked at the aspect of wasting Trout so far.
@Freddy H, Gerrit Cole? Amongst many other teams the Yankees were desperately trying to get Gerrit Cole before he was traded to the Astros. Brian Cashman has expressed his disgust over the ordeal because he felt the Yankees had made a much better offer but the Pirates sent him to Houston anyway. I’m starting to think H stands for Has no idea what he’s talking about.
Wow, can’t believe I just saw some one day Bundy is a monster! So by day is a unmotivated monster and there’s no need for strip? Delusional
Bundy wasn’t even a top half SP for the tanking Orioles last year.
I don’t really think the Dodgers have any inclination to make that trade now, especially with May being slowed and Nelson being shut down. That ships probably sailed.
Middleton, Ohtani, Skaggs, Richards, Heaney, Tropeano, Ramirez, and Wood. Shoemaker and Bridwell sort of, and now possibly Canning. Anybody I missed?
Lackey and a Corbin, post Angels.
Forgot all about them. So the body count has been piling up for even longer than I let on, wow
Adenhart
CJ Wilson. Weaver suffered an injury in 2015 and was never the same.
Do you know the Angels had Kirby Yates? They also had Clevinger. So it’s not all dumb luck. Dumb has had it’s impact as well.
Wow, I just added him to my target list in fantasy BB. Guess I can now remove him.
How’s it looking like know ARTE Moreno???
Another one bits the dust
bites
Hey Halos11fan… I’m sorry… just plain sorry…
And Arte Moreno nixed the trade to get Stripling all because Arte’s ego couldn’t be a little bit patient…..
Yup and wonders why there is no playoff Trout.
Lol you guys act like Ross Stripling is the secret ingredient to the championship
Dynamite.
Huh?
The difference between Stripling and a bum might be three wins. Three wins can easily mean the difference in making the playoffs and not making the playoffs.
No just that he would be a lot better pitcher then half the staff right now…still need serious SP help
It’s just that it’s a convenient excuse for the other ailments of team to put it on the shoulders of Moreno for not picking up a middling starter w “might” mean three wins.
For a team in need of dependable starters, Stripling would have been a very solid acquisition. Period.
He would have been a solid acquisition for any team. He is, however, not the missing link for an Anaheim World Series title.
Dynamite, that’s a bumper sticker comment that has no value.
Stripling over Andriese can easily be the difference of three wins. Three wins can easily be the difference between playoffs and missing the playoffs.
Missing the playoffs vs making the playoffs has been the difference between winning a World Series and not winning a World Series in every single baseball season ever played.
Three wins is also the difference between 76 wins and 79 wins. I’m not sure the Angels have what it takes to get to within 3 wins of the playoffs for someone like Stripling to push them in. Rendon addition notwithstanding, I don’t even think they get to .500 this year.
See myself Houston and oakland were both better before the injury in the AL West. NYY and TB will almost certainly have better records. Someone will win the AL central mostly by default and think Boston, with just 3 decent SP’s themselves are better than Anaheim.
Maybe Moreno was just hanging onto a prospect instead of acquiring a 1y rental, plus a back end starter who nobody knows can face a DH consistently and throw in 2x as many offense oriented stadiums?
Well, Stripling has pitched for the Dodgers 2016 – 2019.. and the Dodgers have been the NL West Champs 2016 – 2019. No way that’s a coincidence.
**It’s a joke, people 🙂
Yo! We have no clue what the full trade was, chill.
You think that deal was killed because Arte is inpatient? Seriously? It was so lopsided for the Angels, he would have waited months for that. Obviously there was more to it than we know. Arte said as much…
Who needs pitching when you have a good lineup.
Signed
Artie Moreno
And so it begins. First the BS report of inflammation, then a setback, then the reality of TJ.
It’s a rite of passage around here.
JJ – I don’t mean to correct you, but Ohtani’s report started with a blister that led to Tommy John surgery. So they mix it up a bit with the initial BS story.
%100! As a lifelong Angel fan, anytime I hear about any Angel injury, or even a broken fingernail, my mind immediately starts thinking it has to end up being another TJ surgery.
Yep and Garret Richards started with a bicep cramp. They’ll mix it up a bit, but we all know what comes later.
Cafe 80s, guy named Griff, just say no!
Seems about right. That meatball nixed the Stripling deal to save face at the Elks lodge and now a week into Spring games and they’ll already short on SP. Eppler will be dumpster diving to find arms. Great, that’s just great.
Bingo!
Snakebit franchise
My god Ross would’ve been huge rn. Arte screwed his gm nice and good
Really Mr. Cy Young Ross would’ve been huge
What’s the address to your fortune teller shop maybe I’ll come stop by for a personal reading
I’ll bring you a toothbrush
Angels fans talk so much crap about Arte Moreno. That man spends as much money to get players as any owner I’ve seen. You guys wouldn’t make it if you were Pirates fans… they spend no $$$.
Yeah but when the guys he’s giving it to are Pujols or Josh Hamilton…
You mean guys like Mike Trout and Anthony Rendon? How many of YOUR past mishaps AND mistakes are brought up thousands of times? It’s not just you, it’s the overall general public: I don’t care about the successful signings, draft picks, and trades you make. I’m going to CONTINUOUSLY gripe & complain about the one’s that didn’t work out.
Well for one I don’t own a baseball team, so yeah my mistakes are not amplified that much when thousands of people don’t watch what I do, so not a good comparison. I’m also not an Angels fan so no need to caps-lock on me. And finally we don’t know how Rendon or Trout will play out when they reach their later years; what we do know is that the Angels have tried to compete with a joke of a pitching staff for the last few years and have not addressed it with this allegedly great big money. And yeah frankly the fans have the right to gripe because those decisions set the franchise back a few years. Trout was a homegrown player that they happened to make a great decision by locking up in the draft.
That’s the difference between a good front office and a bad one. Good front offices can overcome mistakes. Take a look at this list of misses: Carl Crawford, Pablo Sandoval, Dice-K, Rusney Castillo, Hanley Ramirez, David Price (except for 2018), JD Drew, etc.. Boston was able to get creative and either ship these guys out or bite the bullet and cut them without looking back. And they won 4 World Series over this time in spite of these egregious mistakes.
So stop crying in your Cheerios and put together a real front office that can power through the misses. Every team makes them but the good teams don’t use them as an excuse on why they can’t get past them and put a winner on the field.
Boston has won three World Series. But other than that, good point.
I like Cheerios. If I ran their front office, I would have not signed Rendon and signed at least 3 quality starters instead. Like Boston, the Angels have young offensive talent that along with 3 new quality starters would have made a bigger impact on this season than one really good offensive addition and a couple lower end pitching fill one. Eppler has done a great job with the farm system, but not much in terms of the big league club.
Um, they have won 4. 2004, 2007, 2013 & 2018. Don’t give me any of that cheating crap for 2018…the report isn’t even out yet.
For a lot of franchises this admittedly isn’t possible, though. An error like Giancarlo Stanton or Jacoby Ellsbury would sink a smaller franchise for a few years, maybe even several. That Boston is able to eat these mistakes is also indicative of how much cash they can throw around to “eat” some of these losses.
With that said, Angels are also no slouch in spending and still come up with diddly squat so you’re correct there.
They tried but no one was there
Boston has had the highest payroll for years, so I don’t get how this applies to The indians or Rays who actually make competitive teams with a set payroll.
Great job with the farm system? In what way? The Angels’ farm system has been average at best and that’s a compliment. The farm did get a boost a few years back with Ohtani being the number 1 overall player but he literally fell in their lap. He wanted to go to a major market that was as close to Japan as possible where he could DH.
Yeah it’s pathetic
Nobody questions Arte’s willingness to spend. But what is the point of having scouts and an analytics department and a GM if your ego is just going to override all that?
I.hope it nothing serious. But I hope it revives the Angel/Dodger trade
This organization…. You just have to smile and laugh.
Smiling and laughing at injuries. Classy move. Not surprised with you.
It’s not at the injuries or the players who get them, it’s just a reaction to how the organization just cannot catch a break, it seems
If someone else had made the comment I would agree with you. Not with Shane.
Don’t worry Roger Lodge will talk about Canning being no big deal.
He will talk down Stripling like he did when the trade fell through.
Honks still got blah blah blah to pitch.
“I have met Arte; nobody wants to win more than him”
Get ready to call in Angel Honks Roger the lapdog is already taking calls!
Canosucks, you just hit a walk off HR with your comment.
You absolutely nailed it! Word for word beautiful. That Clown Lodge uses that Arte line just about every show.
I know Teheran was scratched yesterday because of his hamstring injury and that Canning was basically a fill in (not expected to start). I’m wondering if they rushed Canning a bit here…
Fire the medical staff
They’ve done the back to back years in a row now.
The Angels drafted Canning in the second round. He would have been a first rounder if there wasn’t a problem with his elbow. He was shut down in August 2019 with elbow tightness. The fact that he is having an MRI on his elbow comes as no surprise to me.
Scouts spooked by something on his non-throwing shoulder MRI caused Canning’s fall to the 2nd Round.
Don’t know why the Angels didn’t stock up on buy low pitchers during the off season like the Dodgers did. With their recent history of injured starting pitchers you’d have to expect more injuries to happen. It seems like once Gerritt Cole was off the board they said oh well we’ll sign Rendon with that money and use stop gaps like Bundy and Teheran.
dfree123
I agree. I would have been all over Alex Wood.
They added 2 pitchers this offseason per my count. That’s not nothing.
That should have been 12 pitchers. My “1” key is broken.
This will give JC Ramirez, Suarez and Sandoval, all a better opportunity to make the team. Peters, Pena and Taylor Cole, all a opportunity to be the fifth starter as well. Six pitchers for the last two spots. Five of which, have minor league options left and the sixth, is on a minor league deal. As for the failed trade between Brooklyn and the Angels, it is what it is.
Dodgers aren’t in Brooklyn anymore.
I think hes saying that they have pissed on all the fire hydrants in Orange County and its their town now
You mean Brooklyn and Anaheim?
Lol, just lol.
I like Peters and Sandoval under Mickey this year. They have more upside than their giving credit for.
Sounds like TJ
TJ MAXX? Good deals on socks there.
Rivera?
This news WILL NOT revive the trade talks between w/ the Dodgers so stop hoping it will….
Cashman said during an interview when they lost Serevino that a trade during spring WILL NOT happen as no teams are looking to move anyone….
It’s just a bit frustrating because we all knew when they shut him down last season that he needed Tommy John, but they like to do this give rest and wait approach and make Tommy John the last option but all it does is waste time. He could’ve been on track to at least be back at the end of the season they had done it already. Just like Garrett Richards.
At some point will the Angels look at their trainers? Or is it just a coincidence that their pitchers can never stay healthy?
Get. A. New. Health. And. Conditioning. Staff.
Smiling and laughing is more appropriate than out right sobbing.
And…here…we…go.
At a certain point, you have to fire everyone involved in strength and conditioning. This just shouldn’t happen year in, year out.
Many people have been saying this for 2-3 years now. It’s a shame not much has been done other than a new pitching coach every season.
Well in Cannings case, it was widely known that coming out of UCLA he was overworked and was a prime candidate for Tomi John when the Angels selected him. I just wish that the first sign of trouble these teams would just do the surgery instead of waiting a whole off-season. Same thing with Severino
LA Times reported that Canning went over 100 pitches in his last 11 starts at UCLA, which lowered his draft stock apparently. one start was +120, and another +130.
Should have played for USC
Ouch! Teheran was a nothing burger type of injury, but this is serious. Can we at least get to opening day without losing starters for the season?
Dillion Peters may be our #1 starter by opening day.
This year isnt “the one” for the Angels. Theyll have to restock their pitching in the offseason or the one after that. Trout will be 30yo before he hits the post season again.
And even then they have the rest of the AL West to deal with
I said it after the season ended , he will NOT pitch an inning . know him personally , and said tj is coming . sad
I thought this was a Yankee for a second…they have worn out that MRI tube
Here we go again. Hey, injury prone Aaron Sanchez is available, let’s give him a shot rather than complete a trade for Stripling that was an all-star caliber player before being forced to the bullpen by an overloaded dodger team.
Dodgers said the trade was contingent on the Betts trade going through as planned. It didn’t, they had to adjust it a bit, and they then called off the trade to the Angels as a result. Moreno just basically pulled a “you can’t quit, you’re fired!”, but the Dodgers already called the deal off.
That makes zero sense. One thing we knew for sure is that LA was getting Rengifo back from LA, who is a SS/2nd base prospect. The original deal called for LA to give Verdugo to Boston and that was it; Graterol was coming from Minn. so the new trade required LAD to give up a promising 2nd Base/SS prospect and LAD acquired another pitcher from Minn, so the Dodgers should have been even more motivated to make this deal with LAA to replace the IF prospect they lost in Downs and Stripling was even more expendable after getting Graterol as part of the Minn trade. It all came down to the fact that the LAD wouldn’t get under the CBT by making this deal with LAA (the extra $10M paid by LAD to Minn for Maeda killed any chance of that) so they decided to keep Strip & Joc to help them go for it all in 2020 rather than trade valuable bench pieces for potential lottery tickets. The change in the BOS-LA prospects (Downs & Wong) actually made the LAA deal more appealing to the Dodgers if the financials would have worked in their favor.
bartolo Colon is still out there
No he’s not. He’s playing in Mexico.
So he’s still out there
I like Cheerios. If I ran their front office, I would have not signed Rendon and signed at least 3 quality starters instead. Like Boston, the Angels have young offensive talent that along with 3 new quality starters would have made a bigger impact on this season than one really good offensive addition and a couple lower end pitching fill in’s. Eppler has done a great job with the farm system, but not much in terms of the big league club.
I agree, Greg. They should have signed at least two of the Wheeler, Mad Bum, Ryu, Hamels FA class along with Teheran. Then they could have signed a decent ‘tier 2’ offensive player as well. That would have set them up much better than where they stand today. That said, I am excited to see what Rendon does with Trout protecting him in the lineup but we all know that pitching wins championships and the Angels will need to get career years out of everyone of their pitchers to have a chance just to make the playoffs let alone go deep into them.
I’m more of a Crispix guy
Understandable. Crispix *is* crispy… times two.
Adding a 5.7 WAR from a position player is the same as adding a 5.7 WAR from a starting pitcher. Value is value no matter where it is on the roster. You can’t force players to sign. They all went where they wanted to go. The Angels offered Gerrit Cole the largest contract ever for a pitcher and still got outbid. And Cole has his eyes on the Yankees the whole time.
Krol,
“Adding a 5.7 WAR from a position player is the same as adding a 5.7 WAR from a starting pitcher.”
I disagree. If a 5.7 WAR pitcher is replacing 30 starts from a teams weakest pitches, it can easily be a net gain of 7.5 WAR.
It’s a lot easier to find replacement value position players than replacement value pitchers. Not to mention, the pitcher going innings makes the bullpen better.
That’s exactly true. In the angels case, pitching is so poor, you’re right, it’s probably a net gain 7.5 war. But adding rendon certainly helps, but we already have a competent second basemen who is probably a 2-3 war player in Rengifo, as well as La Stella and Fletcher who would have been the starters at second and third, and they’re probably 2-4 win players. Adding Rendon means less AB’s to Rengifo, and possible Fletcher or La Stella. Where as adding a pitcher would have meant less innings for a guy like Dillon Peters and/or Andriese/Cole, etc. I’d rather replace the innings rather than replace the AB’s by Rengifo and Co.
Ohtani’s gonna shatter like glass.
What are you basing that on?
God Bless you
hope it is a minor injury and hope he come back soon healthier and better!
Seriously. Glad Artie got the player he WANTED and NOT what the team so desperately needed. Hope that keeps him warm at night
Anytime a pitcher is diagnose with a TIGHTFOREARM 90% of the time is a TJ .
I think the Angels have enough prospects in their farm system to put together a package for an arm like Jon Gray that would fit into their rotation nicely. There aren’t a ton of teams completely in the rebuilding stage so it would be hard to pry away a solid arm from teams that think they’re going to contend this year.
Jon Grey is the pitcher, I wanted and want the Angels to get in a trade. The Rockies want to wait, because they don’t want to sale low on him. Which I don’t blame the Rockies for doing. The Rockies might go into full sale mode by June. Now I would consider taking on taking back Desmond to give up less for Grey.
LAA might want to reopen negotiations with LAD for Stripling now.
Is that a grade 1 or 2 issue?
“suggesting that he feels the injury is little more than “normal wear and tear” and likening the issue to one that sidelined him last August”
When something keeps you off a competitive field for 7+ months, I don’t know if “normal wear and tear” is the appropriate label.
You’re counting the offseason, thats dishonest
If anything, that he’s had an entire offseason to rest from this supposedly “normal wear and tear” is to his benefit in this. That is, of course, if it were infact merely normal wear and tear.
This issue has plagued him since July of last season. He should have missed all of Aug, did miss all of Sept, did not play in any offseason leagues to make up for the missed time, and now can not go in this Spring Training. To dismiss this as “normal wear and tear” is the only dishonest move present
darkstar, you are right. If a pitcher takes 8 months off and then his arm is bothering him two innings into spring training, there is cause for concern.
Sounds more like a Mark Prior type of issue
nothing cute about it!! Just a little PT humor, good luck to him hope he’s on the mend soon!
Immediate TJ surgery should just be protocol for all pitchers that the Angels draft.
I see a PRP injection in his near future…the last ditch effort before TJS.
Naw, its actually a more extreme best case worst case. It either gets better w/o surgery or its as is. Its a chronic problem, not a tear. TJS is literally tear repair.
@hiflew. I would have disagreed with you. However, given Cannings latest UCL issue and Heaney’s propensity to get injured, you’re probably correct. It would take a trade to get one middle tier starter to right this ship to get above sea level.
Ch-ch-ch-ch-changes
Chronic changes, I believe we heard that after the Otani MRI.
They knew full well Ohtani had a tear before he even landed in the states. That they tried to downplay that, and insisted TJ wasnt needed, was the issue there. It meant he developed a second tear even
Griffin is possibly suffering from Tennis Elbow, based off his claim of it being tight. If that is the case, it is anywhere from 6 months, and up to 2 years, to recover
The MRI on Canning showed no tear. We don’t know much, but we know they shut him down 8 months ago. This isn’t good. I don’t expect him to pitch much this year.
News on Ohtani when he signed.
According to a report late Tuesday by Yahoo Sports, which cited the results of a physical exam Ohtani underwent in Tokyo in late November, the injury is characterized as a first-degree sprain of his right (throwing) ulnar collateral ligament. Although a first-degree sprain is considered mild, further damage could require Tommy John ligament-replacement surgery.
Oof!
I can say for almost certain a few things will happen. Heaney will have a few great games and be sub par for the rest, until he gets hurt and one of a few prospects takes over. Upton looked great in Arizona, but will probably get hurt a few times this year, since he has tendinitis and that tends to flare up often. Lastly and least popular is Simba; as good as he is, he’s never made it through an entire season, and that’s were Fletcher and Rengifo will get more time. I think La Stella is a better trade chip if he gets off to a fast start, but Eppler loves the guy and probably would move Rengifo before parting ways with La Stella. Speaking of La Stella, he looked bad on defense and offense in the three spring training games I saw, and I know it’s only spring training, but the dude looked lost. Fletcher saved his @$$ a couple times. I am hoping Barria can at least be a 13 win guy with a mid 3 era, he has the stuff.
La Stella = 31, coming off 80 of the best games of his career/a terrible injury, previous to which an unremarkable infield depth piece good for 200ish PAs, FA in 2021
Rengifo = 23, coming off rookie year with some nice upside, ARB-eligible 2023, FA 2026
Feel like Rengifo takes it pretty handily, Trade Chip-wise.
Man the Angels can’t catch a break with pitcher injuries. It seems every time theyve got a decent young arm they wind up hurt. I wish him the best maybe he’ll get lucky and will heal on its own!