DEC. 29, 10:07pm: Both teams have announced the trade. The Cubs will pay $3MM of Darvish’s remaining money, per Jordan Bastian of MLB.com and Heyman. Darvish has $62MM left on his contract – not the previously reported $59MM – because of the incentives he reached for finishing second in 2020 NL Cy Young voting, Bastian notes.
DEC. 28: The Cubs and Padres have agreed to a deal that will send right-hander Yu Darvish and catcher Victor Caratini from Chicago to San Diego, Mark Feinsand of MLB.com reports. The Cubs will receive righty Zach Davies, shortstops Reginald Preciado and Yeison Santana, and outfielders Owen Caissie and Ismael Mena in return. The trade is done pending medical records, and the sides could finalize it Tuesday, per Jon Heyman of MLB Network. Chicago will pick up “a minor portion” of Darvish’s remaining money, Bob Nightengale of USA Today adds.
This deal does not come as a surprise, as the two sides had been in deep discussions about Darvish throughout the day. It’s the latest bold strike for the Padres, who are coming off their first playoff season since 2006 and clearly plan to vie for their first-ever World Series title next year. Even before landing Darvish, they made a huge addition to their rotation Sunday by agreeing to pick up left-hander Blake Snell from the Rays. They also agreed to sign Korean infielder Ha-Seong Kim on Monday, making for an epic 24-hour period of dealmaking for GM A.J. Preller.
The Cubs, meanwhile, are losing perhaps their best starter in Darvish – a 2020 National League Cy Young finalist – as well as a quality catcher in Caratini. Although the Cubs are just a couple months removed from their fifth playoff berth in six years, ownership entered the offseason unlikely to spend after a pandemic-shortened campaign. Indeed, the Cubs previously saved money by saying goodbye to Kyle Schwarber and Albert Almora at the non-tender deadline, while pricey third baseman/outfielder Kris Bryant has been the subject of trade speculation. It’s unclear whether the Padres will take on all of Darvish’s remaining contract, but if they do, that’ll be $59MM on their books over the next three years. Caratini’s much more affordable, as he will earn a projected $1.2MM to $1.6MM in 2021. Caratini isn’t on track for free agency until after 2023.
In heading to San Diego, Darvish will reunite with Preller, who was part of the Rangers’ front office when they signed Darvish out of Japan before the 2012 season. Darvish, now 34, has since enjoyed a terrific career divided among the Rangers, Dodgers and Cubs, and last season was likely his best yet. He ended up with 76 innings of 2.01 ERA/2.23 FIP ball, posted 11.01 K/9 against 1.66 BB/9, and averaged a personal-high 95.5 mph on his fastball. He’ll now slot in near the top of a rotation that lost Mike Clevinger to Tommy John surgery but will still feature Snell, Dinelson Lamet and Chris Paddack as locks for rotation jobs (barring other aggressive moves). The Padres also boast multiple high-end pitching prospects, including MacKenzie Gore.
Caratini, 27, was Darvish’s personal catcher in Chicago, but he was a reserve behind No. 1 backstop Willson Contreras. Caratini debuted with the Cubs in 2017 and has since offered passable offense relative to his position, having batted .250/.327/.372 in 677 plate appearances. Caratini was also a well-regarded defender in Chicago, including when he ranked in Statcast’s 98th percentile in the pitch-framing department last season. He’ll join Austin Nola and Luis Campusano as catchers on the Padres’ 40-man roster.
For the Cubs, this deal represents their first blockbuster trade under new president of baseball operations Jed Hoyer, their former GM who earned a promotion after Theo Epstein stepped down in November. Losing Darvish and Caratini may not go over well for their fan base, but the Cubs are banking on Davies helping replace Darvish in 2021 and the young talent they received emerging as cornerstones.
Davies was somewhat quietly a top-tier starter in 2020, his only year as a Padre, as he recorded 69 1/3 frames of 2.73 ERA/3.88 FIP ball with 8.18 K/9 and 2.47 BB/9. He should look good alongside Kyle Hendricks as the Cubs’ one-two in 2021, though the 27-year-old Davies isn’t controllable beyond then. He’ll earn a projected $6.3MM to $10.6MM via arbitration next season.
The rest of the Cubs’ return doesn’t consist of any elite farmhands, but Kyle Glaser of Baseball America notes that BA was planning to rank Preciado (No. 15), Mena (17), Santana (18) and Caissie (20) among the Padres’ 20 best prospects in its upcoming Prospect Handbook.
Just 17 years old, BA rated Preciado 23rd in the Padres’ farm system midway through last season, writing that the 6-foot-4 switch hitter’s “frame provides hope he can grow into 20-plus home run power as he matures physically.”
Mena, 18, signed an expensive $2.2MM bonus with the Padres out of the Dominican Republic during the 2019-20 international signing period. BA lauded Mena’s speed, range and potential 15- to 20-home run power earlier this year.
The 20-year-old Santana put up impressive production in rookie ball from 2018-19, when he combined for a .306/.418/.425 line in 365 plate appearances. The Canadian-born Caissie, 18, was a second-round pick (No. 45) of the Padres last summer. BA wrote before the draft that Caissie possesses “exciting upside,” though there are “some significant swing-and-miss concerns” in his game.
All things considered, this looks like a trade between two NL playoff teams going in different directions. The Padres appear to be all in on playing for a championship in 2021. It’s hard to say the same for the Cubs, who seem to be a club in retooling mode.
Salary dump. Cubs have thrown in the towel like the rest of the NL Central
Towel Throwin’ Tom Ricketts! Holy “S” did Jed get FLEECED on this one! Maybe Theo would have fared a little better had he not jumped ship from this disaster!
Oh god you’re still around?
@ncaachampillini
LOL Illini champs? Of what? Women’s Volleyball? Bowling?
They have never won a championship in any major collegiate sport. They rarely ever win the Big 10 division in any sport (maybe once every decade or so).
Cubs did great. Top 20 padre prospects are top 10 for some teams. The cut a huge chunk of salary. They could take that money and sign other pitchers this year or later. Davies is a good arm for right now.
I believe Cubs are going for it one more year. They would love to trade bryant rizzo baez, they just don’t have enough value for the Cubs to move them. Unless the padres decide they want them.
Those prospects the Cubs got won’t be in their top 10 this winter. Maybe they’ll improve in the future (they are all at least 3-4 years away), but right now I’m not liking this trade. So much for “threading the needle”.
And geez, it gets worse, they’re even picking up some of Yu’s salary.
If the Padres aren’t taking on all of Darvish’s salary, then I don’t like this trade either.
And they threw in Caratini, too.
Are you new here @YourDreamGM?
They also gave Caratini up as well. Who’s going to be their C once Contreras is gone?
Amaya
No Morejon. No Weathers. No Lange. They didn’t get any starting pitching prospects, which is easily the weakest part of their system. I don’t think there’s any guarantee Marques, Azolay, or Franklin become starting pitchers in the Majors (I hope they all are).
When reading that neither Abrams, Hassell, or Campusano were going to the Cubs, I figured they’d at least get Morejon and Weathers. This trade did not address their organizational weaknesses, and for a team supposedly competing for the NL Central, this is a suspicious trade. Getting Weathers and Morejon would constitute a “retool” for 2021-22, filling out the rotation with cheap, cost-controlled pitchers with upside potential. But this return tells me it’s going for a “heavy rebuild.”
I like the return the Pirates got better for Josh Bell, getting Will Crowe and Eddy Yean, who were probably the prospects the Nationals were offering for Bryant. Those two are at least young pitching prospects with upside.
Hopefully the Cubs’ pitching lab gets going with some starting pitching results!!!!
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No. Just been haven’t commented much until these last few days of trades. And just added a avatar tonight.
All 4 of our best players? I can see Bryant getting traded, But Rizzo? Mr. Consistent? Javy? after 1 off year?
@cubs2016champs they are all free agents in a year. Would you rather get something for them now or lose them for nothing?
Justify “huge chunk of salary”….For me and you as employer and employee astronomical. For a 3rd largest market team to pay $20 Million for a Cy Young candidate and a generational player is dirt cheap for this front office.
We get in return when we have the best young one in the game and they were supposedly high on Ed Howard. Horrible move. Can’t wait to hear what Kap has to say on this one.
Baez isn’t the best shortstop in Chicago, let alone the game.
Cubs need to make some tough decisions and lock down 1 or 2 of these guys. At this point I could see a scenario where Bryant might even accept a qualifying offer or at least think hard about it. I am very interested to see what they do to address the outfield. The cubs now have to be in the bottom half of the league in payroll. If they can sign Brantley and a few pitchers to 1-2 year deals they could be competitive. As of right now they have 2 outfielders and 2 starting pitchers that they can count on for 150+ innings. The major league ready pitching in the minors is non existent. Marquez might be a late season call up and a big pitching piece for 2022
You dont trade your top SP, IF you are going for it… Esp after losing another SP to FA.
Trading the guy who finished second in the Cy Young is never great
Alzolay looked very good in his last few appearances. What stuff.
TomL, who is the generational player in this deal? Darvish? Cy Young candidate I’ll accept, generational player, NO SHOT!!!!!!
lmao
It’s a step in their rebuild as they waited too long to retool.
Cubs gets Dabies plus SD’s #11,#13, #15, and #16 (per MLB prospect ratings)
It is amusijg when we try to grade a trade within a week of the deal when prospects are involved.
One team is getting immediate value, one is cutting payroll and attempting to get value that plays out a few years from now.
@Chitown
I don’t know about Fleeced, abd who’s to say it’s not golden?
The point of my question is that these prospects are young enough that you will not be able to evaluate this trade. three of the four prospects are either at the rookie ball or A level and are 20 years old or so which means they have physical growth ahead of them that wil vastly change their prospect value. In 3 or four years when these player mature they will provide cheap controllable production for their team. Who much remains to be seen.
Maybe Theo jumped because he knew his orders were to dump salary no matter what.
And There It Is!
Exactly why he left.
Obviously. A few goofs thought the Cubs would get a haul for some reason, but if they are reloading they should just be glad he’s gone.
Davies is a huge get and arguably the same as darvish. This is a lateral move with padres taking on additional salary in the process.
Being a Padre fan,I can assure you that Davies is not the same as Darvish. Davies got exposed against the Dodgers in the playoffs. Any team that lays off his pitches outside the strike zone and gets ahead in the count, hammers him He loves to give up the long ball. His fastball averages 88-89 and absolutely
Can not be effective pitching behind in the count.
Jmac2020, you must be living in an alternate reality because Davies isn’t as good as Darvish, it’s not even close. Darvish (2.7WAR), a power pitcher, versus Davies (1.7WAR on a better team) a soft-tosser. Davies is the same as Hendricks and Mills. The Cubs’ top 3 pitchers are Hendricks, Davies, and Mills. The average fastball velocity for those three is like 89 MPH. They couldn’t break a pane of glass.
This trade by itself is hardly an indicator that the “Cubs have thrown in the towel”. They traded their 34-year old ace and a backup catcher for a 27-year old mid-rotation starter and 4 solid prospects. The Cubs retained their starting catcher Willson Contreras and his two years of arbitration eligibility and still have all their other star quality veterans with a single season of control on the roster as well. If they follow this deal with trades of Contreras, Kris Bryant, Javier Baez and Anthony Rizzo that changes the narrative. At this point in time the trade would qualify as a retool and not the beginning of another rebuild.
Well said.
I actually would argue the opposite for the reasons you laid out. If the Cubs traded; Rizzo, Bryant, Baez, and Contreras. I think that would be more of a retool. All those players have 2 years or less of team control, will likely cost lots of money, and the Cubs have thus far shown an inability to develop pitching. Trading even the first 3 I mentioned for say 2 players each that were between double A and the majors would be the retool. They could fall back this year, be better in 2022 (in another shortened season) and be right back into a contention window by 2023. They now have less depth at a position that is the hardest in your body, not to mention more innings to eat over the next 3 years. To me, this signals that between now and the end of the contracts of Heyward, Hendricks, Bote, and Happ, (2024) they might not be much better than .500. Which for that team, with that payroll ability, in this market here, is absolutely embarrassing.
We still don’t fully know the cash exchange, if any, between the teams as we post our comments. If the Padres incur the full brunt of the Darvish contract the Cubs could potentially use some of those savings for free agent acquisitions this offseason, some in subsequent years or even utilize them in an extensions to help keep Bryant, Baez or Rizzo beyond the 2021 season.
What purpose does keeping Bryant, Baez or Rizzo do? If you are going to rebuild …. then go all the way.
I don’t get it. Last years Bryant, Baez, and Rizzo didn’t get the job done. They are great players but they need more than 3 guys. If they spend the majority of money on the 3 then that will take away from the money they will be able to spend on starters and bullpen along with other position player needs. I say keep 2, I would prefer if I was a Cub fan Bryant and Baez to help save some money to be spent on other needs in the coming years.
That is also true. And after listening to Effectively Wild this morning, it sounds like these prospects are much better than most people in this thread think. However, they are still 3 years away.
However, they are still PROSPECTS!!!! None of which is rated in the top 100 prospects in MLB, top 10 prospects in the Padres farm system, nor have reached AA. What the Cubs received is a huge stretch.
Aaron – good point on Contreras because the Cubs would need him to mentor Miguel Amaya (if he makes the 2021 team).
I agree. Since 2016-2020, Darvish and Davies have surprisingly close stats. Davies having a better record, and Darvish having a slightly better ERA. If this is the only trade the Cubs make, I think they are still the favorite in the division.
Having Darvish for 3 years rather than Davies for one, is a huge advantage, but the Cubs got 4 solid prospects.
I agree. I think that the Pads definitely won, for now, but j think it’s being overblown. If Darvish continues putting up dominant numbers, but who can say that he won’t get injured or return to his 2018 form. In that case Davies is the better option, cheaper and just as good if that situation plays out. (It may not, Darvish still could be an ace, not saying his great recent run is coming to an end as he is still very talented.)
4 solid prospects all outside the top 100
Interpreted as: 4 solid prospects that you never heard of.
Ok but does anyone honestly think they compete with the elite teams outside of weak looking NL Central for 2021?
NL Central so weak they could still win it
Say it with me. That’s it!!!! Stop pretending like you know the value of players in this market place and just realize Lindor, and anyone else will be traded for significantly less than most people here think they should be.
Pathetic move and return. Davies?! Yuck. Time to keep goin and dump Hendricks, Rizzo, Bryant, Heyward, Baez, Contreras etc, etc
Do you people that constantly say one team gets fleeced ever go back and read your own reactions to trades because I see the same people constantly shocked at the lite returns. That’s why I make fun of you by saying that’s it! Every trade.
Cubs are stuck with Heyward. They are going to have to wait until the contract expires or give away an asset to just get rid of him.
It depends on what the Cubs do with the money they just freed up. If they reinvest it in more pitching, then alongside Davies it could very well make them an overall better team considering their current severe lack of pitching depth.
This is a horrible trade for the Cubs. Not a single prospect in the Padres top 10, are you kidding? The Padres are “geniuses” I guess… they get Darvish and Clevinger (even though Clevinger won’t pitch again til 2022) for like 12 mediocre players, and not a single one of their top prospects. That’s hard to believe. I don’t understand these trades from the Indians and Cubs standpoint, but great for the Pads.
Padres are going to be the best team in the NL for several years I think. I like their team over the Dodgers. In 2022 when Clevinger returns, geez.
just speculation, but I’d assume that is the best offer both teams received. Doubt many teams wanted to take on Darvish’s contract, especially with uncertainty on what darvish you are getting. and you lose clevinger for an entire year right off the bat.
The Clevenger loss was painful. Nice to see Pads management not cry in their beer and instead go out and nab two Cy Young contenders to fill the void without increasing overall payroll and without parting with any of their top 10 prospects.
How did they not increase payroll?
This is Clevingers’ 2nd TJ surgery, not his 1st. Who knows how he’ll return.
Padres system is top three of all MLB. Their 11-20 prospect range are 1-10 in many other farm systems.
That’s getting carried away. They had a top 3 system primarily because they had 3 of the top 25 prospects in baseball in it, not because their system is so incredibly stacked with elite talent that their 11th best prospect is ranking as any team’s #1, or even as most teams’ #5. At best, their 11 might be a 3-5 in a really bad system like the Astros or Red Sox.
hittingnull, that isn’t necessarily true. None of those prospects is top 100 in MLB. Depth pieces for a good farm maybe, but don’t overstate their talent because of the system they are in.
Will we see the Cardinals clinch the division with 69 wins?
Watch out Dodgers! Here come the Padres!
An excellent move by the Cubs. Darvish has zero chance of staying healthy and in return they get a pitcher, Zach Davies, who will win more than Darvish not to mention some reasonable prospects. One thing the Padres do lead MLB in is over-paid players…Darvish, Myers, Hosmer, Pomeranz, Pham and Machado.
Cards Fans can just fantasize of having Owners or even a competent president of baseball operations willing to invest in a potential National League Championship team.
Instead of setting their goal to just be a .500 team. Sure —- A .500 record could win the Central Division this year easily. But —- they can’t compete with the big boys for a National league Championship
Yu is a great pitcher who needs to grow up and get off Social Media. That said, SD is the team to beat now. LOL Great moves by that organization.
These prospects the Cubs got are young long way off. These are the types of trades that will help a team if the players develop. If all three of them hit the majors and have 20+ homerun seasons like projected then this trade will look genius for the Cubs.
The Padres are obviously going for it, great times to live on the West Coast
Holy crap. They pulled it off
Padres are going to be insanely good. Dodgers fans are sweating right now.
I agree the Padres are going to be incredible, but I doubt the Dodgers really care. They’re still riding their title high.
I would think that the Dodgers were striving to win an actual title, rather than riding the high of an asterisk.
The Dodgers win big every year and will continue to do so. Btw, where do you see an asterisk? There aren’t any in the MLB record book. Not one.
@Brewer88 If the Dodgers had not enjoyed such great success the past eight years, your post would hold some credibility. If the Brewers would have won the 2020 World Series, their accomplishment would be well deserving of an asterisk. But not for this incredibly talented Dodgers team.
the only asterisk is 2017
@Brewer88:
When you post something like this, you remind me of one of my favorite Mark Twain turns of phrase:
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt.”
Dodgers beat the National League’s other-best and the AL’s very best with virtually no off-days in a stadium half the country away from Chavez Ravine. Their WS victory is, in many ways, more impressive than one in a “normal” season (re: one that doesn’t involve playing against a team later found to have been cheating, etc.).
Silly comment.
I never said it wasn’t a great achievement? Just very different than a standard season I’m sure you agree. They overcame a longstanding playoff bugaboo and I was really happy for Keyshaw. My point was to the Dodger fans here reciting last seasons success as leverage over 2021, when in fact we don’t yet know who will be the best team next year. Maybe the Nats again or Cubs, who knows
Not really.
Yeah, okay.
Just hope his 2020 season wasn’t a fluke. If he regresses back to having control issues you guys would have been better off keeping Davies.
Darvish’s control has been excellent since about July of 2019.
Yes. Like I said hope he doesn’t regress to before that. What part didnt you understand?
I frankly don’t care about either team, but the Dodgers are the best team in baseball by about ten miles. And the Padres rotation is still terrible in my opinion despite these two additions. They basically just added another often injured starter when they already had one of those.
10 miles? ok
David Price, $30 million, IR
I don’t mean this as an insult, but how is it that you don’t understand that Price cost the LAD $0.00 in 2020?
Are you not aware that Price chose to sit out the season? Y’all need to try to keep more current with BB issues if you want to comment.
Context is everything. Yes I know he sat out but my point is that they paid him $30 at age 35. So Pads paying $20 for Yu isn’t so expensive as folks seem to be implying here.
Of course Yu is not expensive. If he wasn’t worth $20M, the return for him would be -0- or less. So why post Price & the IR?
My point: good teams are willing to pay extra to get the edge. Dodgers signed Price for $30m. Pads just nabbed Yu for $20m. Risks worth taking, sometimes.
Flags fly forever.
Dodgers fans aren’t sweating at all. The Padres have likely improved, but the Dodgers are still easily better. Padres fans predict they will win the division every season, it seems, and they never really come close in the end. The upcoming season will likely be more of the same.
Amazing though how many Dodger fans are posting on this Rumor that has supposedly nothing to do with or concern them.
Nothing to do with the Brewers either …. yet here you are.
Brewer88 has nothing to do with baseball or Milwaukee Enrico.
@Brewer88:
Amazing? Really? I think most Dodgers fans recognize that SD is, along with Atlanta, one of the two real threats in the National League, and the additions of Snell and now Darvish make a potentially great team in SD potentially even greater.
And unlike ATL, the Padres are LA’s direct division rival.
And this is literally a site that exists for folks to come to the comments section and discuss the moves aggregated for our reading pleasure and informational enjoyment.
What about Dodgers’ fans coming here to discuss a big move by their direct rival is…amazing, then?
Should they all just gather somewhere else, then, to continue to celebrate their team’s championship?
Or…………
Yes this is a site for everyone to comment. You missed the point – I responded to a LA fan who thought to come in to the article and say they weren’t concerned about Pads 3 big signings because the Dodgers were still so ultimately superior. That might be a valid point, but to say you’re not concerned at all, while at the same time going to great lengths to take the time to post that here, exposes perhaps some insecurity.
Gotta love the Dodgers fans who think they’re still a 100 win team, as if they’re not even aware that they’ll be playing 19 games against the Padres. These are what we call bandwagon fans. Let’s see how many of them stick around after the Padres leapfrog their team in the division.
Far beyond driven, we will all still be here will you? Last year there were several padres homers like yourself claiming the nl went through them and guess what? 3 game sweep! Magically all the padres trolls disappeared until there team makes a few moves and boom as if we forgot last year….last time I checked padres scored 6 runs over 3 games against dodgers chalk it up to injuries? Everyone on padres roster played except Yates and lamet. Neither Clevinger, lamet, darvish or snell help you score more runs lol
Every team has those Trolls, real fans of the game know who they are. I have friends who are great Dodger or Padre fans that I respect. It’s just good fun.
You know the Dodgers won the World Series a couple months back, right? And did so while going wire-to-wire and winning at a .717 pace? And when every bandwagon-hater screamed “small sample size!” and “watch out for SD/ATL/TB!.” it…didn’t matter?
It’s not that we think our team is still a 100-win ballclub; it’s that we literally JUST WATCHED THEM be much better than that.
Oh, and we’ve gone to three of the last four WS, and are one of the great franchises in MLB–and really, American sports history.
So…bandwagon?
Ummm.
Sure.
Oh, it’s more than insecurity; the Padres were a tough out two days ago, and now are every bit the equal of the Dodgers at the moment.
I have to think that there’s a Dodgers move or two coming, if only for the arms-race aspect of it all.
If we don’t add a bullpen arm beyond the projects (cough, cough Liam Hendriks cough) and, frankly, another starter–because if we’re being honest with ourselves, Kershaw could be cooked at any moment and Price may or may not be a thing and who knows what Gonsolin/May/Urias really REALLY are, then…SD will have definitely won the offseason.
I’d still rather win October though.
@Jmac2020 I’m a Mets fan. Bandwagon fans just aren’t hard to spot.
Dodgers fans are just responding to Padres fans singling out the Dodgers fan base…you are a Brewers fan pandering to the Padres fan base. Hate to use the out-dated reference, but get a life, man.
Those are just responses to people calling out the Dodgers. That should be obvious
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I live in CA and am a lifelong Padres/Giants fan. Brewer88 has nothing to do with baseball Chief Troll Hands
Far Beyond Driven, Dodgers fans aren’t worried.
The cubs got fleeced
How? If they,sent,cash too, then you might say that. That would defeat the purpose though. If the Padres are,paying,full salary then the value,back goes,down.That is generally how these trades,work.
As a Cubs fan this was a terrible trade. They got no prospects of value. How do you deal an ace and not get at least someone like Abrams or Campusano? Those 4 prospects they got are garbage.
How do you know they got no prospects of value? And what makes you sure that Darvish at 35 will pitch better than Davies?
Welcome to the show, Jed Hoyer.
The Cubs bottom five farm just moved to average. Padres have a top five farm. Something good will come from these kids in a few years, … unless the Cubs hire Dave Dombrowski.
Davies is a good pitcher, sorry to see him go.
I wanted to keep Davies
You can have him back
Seriously. Plz, take him back. I cant watch that loser all season.
I assume you know nothing about Davies.
Yeah not sure why you’d even make a comment like that ♂️
I’d love my Brewers to take him back so I don’t have to see him pitch in a Cubs uni lol.
Davies was our best pitcher during the playoffs
None of the SPs were any good in the playoffs.
Got a feeling you’ll like Darvish and for sure Snell a lot more
Didn’t the Padres get swept by the Dodgers?
Yes they did
That this is the last year of his contract played into it. But I agree, he was the glue of the rotation last year
They can get him back, because he is just for one year.
Nothing but flyer prospects. Jed is an absolute moron even if this doesn’t pan out in 2025 when any of these teenagers will be ready.
Yu have to be kidding me!
This genuinely made me laugh
Me too.
Dad jokes are always appreciated
The other day I was washing my car with my son and he said “Dad, can’t you just use a sponge?”
Lmao
Padres have a scary rotation if all pans out. Look out Dodgers.
Trembling.
The Braves are Trembling also
Braves should always be trembling. They are vastly overrated.
What?!? So sad!!!
What are the Cubs doing??
Their owner is being a cheapskate, dumping Yu’s remaining salary.
And he’s been that way since the cubs won the world series.
Yep. He’s expecting to cash in financially for another decade off sentimental Cubs fans for that 1 long overdue championship.
I think he’s parring down payroll to sell the team.
Not quite, sounds like the Cubs will pay part of his salary too.
Cubs are cutting salary while still providing a solid replacement in the rotation, and picking up 4 good prospects to help build a future contender.
Those are not good prospects. How do you not get a single top 100 prospect in return for an ace? Idiotic trade by Jed.
Maybe? Just maybe, and this is obviously true to anyone intelligent, you don’t know his value and all the gms in the league do?
When your ace was only a ace for 2 months and is in his mid 30s. And you decide you would rather have quantity over quality. And teenage international players don’t make top 100 list unless they are huge signings.
I don’t see how this can be viewed as anything but a huge win for the Padres and a pathetic return for the Cubs. Giving up three years of a relatively cheap Darvish plus four(?) years of control of an excellent back up catcher should have gotten the Cubs WAAAAY more.
I don’t see how a package of Knowles, Barria and Kohn didn’t get this done for scary perry amd the halos. Speechless.
Give it four years. These guys are too young to truly evaluate besides broad projections. I imagine all four of the prospects will be in the Cubs top 10 since they were all in the Padres 10-20 range.
Agree, what did the pads have 6-8 top 100 prospects. And these guys are pretty young and raw. Not a bad haul imo.
After the Snell trade they had 4 not 6 or 8.
Cubs fans don’t have the patience to wait 4 years.
Most Cubs fans lack the patience to wait 4 months.
Most Cubs fans lack the patience to stay two hours at the ballgame
What are you talking about? Cubs fans waited 108 years for a championship. They’re the most loyal fans in baseball.
You’ve clearly never been to a game at Wrigley.
Lol
In four years if any of these guys are any good, the Cubs will trade them off for a declining former all star.
Likely to rank 9th-11-15th and 16th with the cubs the Padres lost alot in last summers and the Snell trades in guys in 3-15 range. Now other then the Top 5 the Padres Top 20 is weak.
It took hard work and a few years but they were 40-deep, and why assume the elite farm system won’t continually replenish? Their top 10 players (Patino aside) are still intact. Scary to think, but they’re in position to use the prospects to get much better still, and this process is developed for the long-term.
Apart from their top 4 they drop off sharply from 5 onward now.
If Darvish is relatively cheap how come Cubs fans were hoping… no… praying that he would opt out of his contract a year ago?
No we weren’t.
Uneducated comments, love em
Because….Cub fans
You mean the best fans in all of sports?
They weren’t. Not sure where you heard that.
20 plus mil a year isn’t too cheap
No, but by comparison LA signed Price for $30 million at same age as Yu. Didn’t work out but teams at the top are looking for any edge.
No way with Padres taking on Big Bucks
You have no idea yet. It absolutely looks like the Cubs got a lesser prospect package because the Padres ARE picking up the Darvish tab.
Darvish is “waaaay” overrated ate this point. Wrong side of 34. Pretty inconsistent over last few years. More of a name than a true ace.
Jah, those ’20 numbers were waaaay overrated. “More of a name than a true ace”: them’s some savvy analysis.
Fact is he was rated as being worth Davies and a bunch of teenagers, even though he finished 2nd behind Bauer for Cy Young in 2020.
It’ll be 2-3+ years before a winner/loser can be realistically argued. It could be a win/win, who knows. Obviously the Padres get the early lean because their move is for the next couple of years, and those prospects won’t be up until Darvish likely retires. As for Davies….the deal could be a fair 1:1, so then prospects turn into lotto tickets. It’ll be a minimum of 2-3+ years folks.
Zach Davies pitches very similar to Hendricks. I wonder if the Cubs preferred Davies over Paddack, or the Padres didn’t want to include Paddack.
They preferred 1 year of Davies to multiple years of Paddack? If the cubs preferred Davies they need to fire everyone in that front office.
I have to agree with you. Davies was likely chosen in part to offset some of the payroll for one year.
No Davies was not included as a salary offset smart guy. If the Padres wanted to get rid of him to offset salary he would have been non-tendered.
I said, in part. The cubs would have to send some salary relief, if they hadn’t taken on salary. If not they would have gotten a fringe prospect.
Taking Davies isn’t sending salary relief. He is more than worth what he is making. If he wasn’t, he’d have been non-tendered.
Not necessarily. It gives AJ some salary room to manuever. It sure fit in with the Ha-Seong Kim signing.
1. It really doesn’t. He is only projected to get around $7.2m
2. If Preller wanted to get rid of Davies to have “some salary room to maneuver” he would have non-tendered him. Preller wasn’t the one who asked for Davies to be in the trade, Hoyer was. What’s not obvious is why.
No, I never said he wanted to “get rid” of Davis. I said “in part”, not a salary dump. Sorry, you’re trying to parse it into something that wasn’t said. It fits, Davies and Kim are projected to make similar salaries.
Not even one bit as a salary dump. Only players with underwater contracts can be salary dumps.
Paddack makes more sense for control reasons. id imagine its the later.
If I were the Padres, I would have rather traded Paddack and kept Davies. Paddack may have the brighter future next season I would take Davies all day. Not to mention, Padres have the high ceiling pitching prospects in Gore and Weathers.
but next season*
I wouldn’t touch Paddack. We will see.
With Darvish they can’t have both Paddack and Gore unless they go to a 6 man rotation. They will probably trade him during the season or next offseason.
Darvish-Snell-Clevinger-Lamet-Gore is going to be so nasty though. Gore might move from back to the front too.
Clevinger had TJ so there is a spot open in the rotation.
*Adrian Morejon has entered the chat*
No Clevinger … he had TJ surgery
Clevinger is out for 21 with tommy john surgery
The trade seems a bit odd. If I were the Cubs I would have preferred Paddack given his control and ceiling. If I were the Padres I would have preferred Davies next season given his health and consistency. With next season being an all-in for the Padres, Davies seems like the better bet. Gore and Weathers will likely step into the rotation after 2021 anyway.
If Cubs were interested in paddock I would rather trade him and give up less prospects.
I agree but the Padres wanted to dump some money I’m sure.
Davies had just one year left on his contract, and is due a big raise in 2022. So of all their SPs they had to let him go. Paddack (who desperately needs a 3rd pitch and to regain location control over his fastball), they will nurse him along again next year on a $700K salary, hoping he can turn it around.
no rush to get Gore up anyway with their 40 man crunch
How do people still not know Clev had TJ?
Prob same people that think Davies is as good as Darvish
That is a *filthy* staff. I have high hopes that the Mets can do something similar (e.g. pick up a mid-rotation guy and an even better TOR caliber starter), but SD can make these moves and not put much of a dent into their farm. The Mets will need 3+ years to rebuild their farm to even be in the top 10-12. I’m concerned about that staff for the playoffs (as a Met fan), but I LOVE that LAD needs to contend with SD now and they can’t just steamroll the division and have it locked up w. 30+ games to play.
I doubt Paddack was ever on the table.
Davies is a better pitcher than Paddack. At this time.
That ain’t saying much though. Morejon and Weathers are better than Paddack at this point. The Texan needs to figure out some things.
Hendricks and Davies is a competition of who has more mediocre stuff
After facing Hendricks (average 87.8 mph FB velo last season) and Davies (87.3), hitters will be blown away by Alec Mills’ 90.2 heat.
It will be a competition to see who can be more Maddux-like.
Amazing!
AJ Preller ladies and gentlemen. Got Snell, Kim, Darvish in 24 hours, holy wow.
and they still have Abrams, Gore, Morejon, and several other good youngsters.
I wonder if Preller makes a separate side deal, off the books with the other GMs. Kind of like Dwight doing Michael’s laundry in The Office.
Bro you’re implying he does what got the Braves GM fired and exiled a few years ago. Cmon
Lol. He got Snell and Darvish without giving up Cronenworth, Paddack, or any of the top 5 prospects. I dknt know if Preller has ever traded a top 5 prospect.
Where did Patino rank?
Some sites put him at top 15, others 20-30 range
@Randy Red Sox – I forgot about Patino. I think he was the Padres 3rd ranked prospect. My bad.
Patino no longer a prospect after his rookie season?
Campusano also still a Padre
The roomates (Jon Daniels and AJ) are having a nice offseason haha!
Merry Christmas, San Diego.
FFS, couldn’t they have also thrown in the bat boy and the groundskeeper?
Geez! Padres have GOT to capitalize on this…
But, like… as a Jays fan, please don’t capitalize on this while we’re trying to put our final pieces together.
Please.
Thanks.
You guys were the kindle that got the hot stove starting so that should be something to be proud of.
Cubs got fleeced. They just gave away Darvish.
Darvish and Davies had identical splits last year and Cubs got 4 prospects in padres top 15. Keep trying though you were the same guy saying darvish is bad last night
Remember when you said Darvish would cost more prospects than Snell. Pepperidge farm remembers. My how wrong you were.
Also, I said Darvish wasn’t worth giving up top tier talent at his current price tag. Nobody was going to give up cheap control of players to pay him. Hence why the cubs only got prospects 4-5 years away.
Lance Lynn at 8 mill netted Dane Dunning the #98 prospect. A fool like you thought Darvish at 22 mill, 19 mill, and 18 mill would net more.
Here’s my exact argument from the thread.
Padres, nor any team, are interested in:
1. giving up top prospects
2. taking on 60 million when teams are slashing financial commitments
3. taking a gamble on Darvish at his current price.
For a pitcher that
1. is 34
2. his 2 most recent seasons he was injured and pitched like a #3.
Hopefully your 2021 new years resolution is either learn how to read or get better at trolling. Cause you’re pretty bad at both.
The same dude that was saying darvish has a 110 ops+ is now saying he is a cy young caliber….ahahahahaha Davies is better than gore this upcoming season and actually helps major roster and can be flipped for additional assets in addition to what the Cubs got 4 top 15 prospects that could very well appear in the top 100 in a year or 2. Nice try but so far you are a liar and a moron. In your world though padres are perineal nl west champs with multiple titles oh wait
You: YoU cAlLeD dArViSh Cy YoUnG cAlIbEr
literally the article you’re commenting on: The Cubs, meanwhile, are losing perhaps their best starter in Darvish – a 2020 National League Cy Young finalist – as well as a quality catcher in Caratini.
Uh huh. Guess you missed where I said “taking a gamble on Darvish”
Never once said he was a bad pitcher. I did say his most recent seasons weren’t impressive and not worth the money.
Twisting my words to make you look smart isn’t working. Liking your own comments is just downright sad. I feel.sorey for you man. I really do.
How do the Padres keep making these trades without giving up their top farmhands?
$$$
They did give up a top farmhand in the Snell trade. Darvish was never going to net a top farmhand with his age, salary and 3.60 ERA in the last 3 years.
Another uneducated comment
And yet….this trade confirms it’s not “uneducated”
The reason why preciado and caissie were not rated higher is because how young they are. If it was 2022-23 they would both be Padres top 5 prospects. It’s a great haul for Cubs, in a couple years even better
Patino was a major leaguer, not a farmhand
Patino is technically still a prospect, only has like 20 MLB innings and has like 2 or 3 starts at AA level or above. He’s still listed and tracked as a prospect and he hasn’t exceeded rookie limits yet.
Honestly he’s pretty raw and even though his pure stuff is nasty his control needs work and he could probably could use some more seasoning in the minors before playing in the bigs next year.
No he will likely start the year in AA.
They are trading all their farms depth as opposed to the top guys
Dodgers will finally have some competition this year…:maybe
Wow. AJ Preller is nuts.
Padres are going for it
They’re reaping rewards of their farm system and scouting. Hard work, investment, dividends. Preller gets the credit but it’s an organizational achievement and not a short-term process.
Man. Out of everyone traded away this weekend, I think I’ll miss Davies the most! Been a fun few days though!
He seems solid. Also could be a decent deadline flip for Cubs.
He did well for a max 85 Mph heater
As a Cardinals fan, I enjoy seeing the Cubs get absolutely ripped off, but there should have been at least one San Diego Top 5 prospect going to Chicago. Absolute steal for the Padres
Not if the Padres are taking on his full salary.
The Cubs are paying part of Yu’s salary.
I would rather have 4 top 20 then a top 4 or 5 most times.
wait did preller really just pull a fleece job?
WTF! How tf did the Padres manage to pull off that minuscule of a package!?!? Terrific trade!
I know, right? While I didn’t expect Darvish to get Gore or Campusano, I expected at least 1 top 5 org prospect. They got back 1, top 10 org prospect, but that’s about it. I’m honestly shocked about Cronenworth not going to CHC though. Now that they have Kim, it made sense.
Does this make the chances for a good Musgrove return better or worse? He is way cheaper than Darvish.
Better I think. In terms of who’s been traded, he’s closer to Snell than Darvish considering age, controability and cost. I ovbisously don’t think he’ll get as good of a package as Snell, but might get a bit more than Lynn. I think Musgrove will get back a prospect in the top 50-100 range as a headliner and then another top 15 org prospect. Maybe a third piece like a throw in.
So a Rangers’ trade would start with Huff huh? Idk, I think it’d be fair if a trade with Texas started with Acosta and maybe two more top 15. Your thoughts? Acosta will be top 100 soon.
Worse. The 3 best prospect hauls of 2020 were given out by the padres. So unless they are in on Musgrove?
Why worse? I think Snell got back fair value. Why can’t Musgrove? He’s super underrated just because he plays for the Pirates and doesn’t have a great ERA. He’s fantastic once you take him off the team who’s been the 2nd worst team defensively in baseball since 2018.
To me, yes it would have to at least start with Huff, possibly Jung. While Acosta wouldn’t be bad, he’s a shortstop prospect and the Pirates have like 5 of thsoe already. The way Ben Cherington trades, we’re going to get back another RHP starter. I don’t think the Rangers have the pieces to get Musgrove though. For example if the Giants start going after Musgrove, I would expect at least Heliot Ramos as a headliner. If we’re talking about the Jays, then SWR. The Twins? Trevor Larnach. It shouldn’t be cheap to get Musgrove. According to my sources, Musgrove is highly touted throughout the industry.
Also, while the Padres have given out the most prospects, Lance Lynn was traded from the Rangers to the White Sox. Not Padres.
Woah, you have sources mlb1225? That’s cool. I want to be able to say that.
Lmao, yeah. Like I’ve said to you before, reach out on Linkedin, get more involved in stuff like writing articles for websites, like I am doing now, and you can make some of those connections.
I’m gonna dedicate this summer to getting my name out there. I want to really make my name known in the community. Take a good first step.
BTW… how juiced was the ball in 19′? lmao
You mean in the first half of 2020 as well
His k/9 last year was 50% higher then careers norms, No GM will be fooled by that over a 60 game season.. Steamers and Depth Charts project a 4.20 FIP that is a #4 on a good team. Cherrington will market him as a #2 but rival GM’s won’t bite. He will not get a 50FV pitcher like SWR .
Never implied anything about Musgrove value. To break it down more. Out of the 3 best pitchers traded. The padres aquired all of them. If the padres are not interested in Musgrove, I don’t see him getting the return of Snell. Probably closer to the return of Yu. Except 2 less players. Of course the trade also involved a solid catcher.
He probably gets something closer to Lynn. Similar numbers over the past 3 years but has more control, is younger and is trending upward. Darvish is owed way more than what Musgrove is projected to make and has been much more inconsistent. The only similarities between Musgrove and Darvish is that they’re right handed.
All of these guys are immediately in the Cubs top 10. They had good pedigree and good performance on the field, and are 20 or younger
When the dodgers acquired Jeter Downs and Josiah Gray, neither were top 100 talent. One year later they both were top 50. Think people are looking at this way too shortsightedly and claiming the Padres scammed them
Add in Davies prolly gets 2 good prospects in his own right, Darvish likely got a barren system six decent prospects, while clearing most of the 60M left
You lost me at Davies gets 2 good prospects. He was literally traded last year with Grisham for Lauer and Urias and now Davies is in his last year of Arb and making more money as a rental so his value isn’t going up.
He does not get 2 good prospects on his own. He’s basically in this deal to offset salary and eat innings.
He threw 7 less innings than Darvish with a 2.73 ERA and 1.4 WAR. Only making 7M
Last 2 years he was at least a #3
If traded now, new team can QO him in offseason. I do not see why he wouldn’t have trade value
2 will be bottom part of the top ten, the other 2 will be mid teens.
Laughing@you is the only one with a brain on this forum!!!!
No Davies is not in this deal to offset salary smart guy. If the Padres wanted to get rid of him to offset salary he would have been non-tendered.
And after this trade Padres still have top five farm system dam!!
A+ trade by the Pads. lots of lottery tickets but nothing more.
well plus Davies, but he’s a rental, as good as he is.
You have no way of knowing that.
Oh Yu!
Why couldn’t we get any good prospects exactly? Hoyer wasn’t cut for GM….major disappointment from a huge Darvish and Cubs Fan.
You got 4 plus a possible Davies trade or comp pick.
You could argue the Rangers got a better deal for Darvish at the trade deadline for only a half a season than what the Cubs got for him
Interesting comment. Going to have to think on that for a bit, but you’re right it’s a fun argument to think about
Cubs went for depth of minor league system over quality. Just looking to rebuild that system for when they need to make dumb trades like Eloy for Quintana again.
This
Boo Yaaaa!!!!
Jed making up for the shadiest trade in mlb history
Well dam best team in NL West?
Not by a mile.
Clearly Pads are equal to Dodgers in 21, favored in 22
Lay down the bottle
If everything goes perfectly, with no regression from the 2020 highs while also counting on guys like Pham to magically recover… you’re still the #1 wild card team
I would agree if Campusano sticks as the #2 Catcher.
Hey Brewer88, you’re leading the league in dumb comments.
Brewer88 is just a salty giants fan, don’t mind him, his team will emerge from the cellars at some point!
By at least 5 miles
This is going to be the most interesting division in baseball hands down. Even Arizona has some interesting players and you never know about the Giants. Kinda glad I’m not a Rockies fan though, sorry guys, love your state.
Lot of money the pads taking on, wish they would have got some back in return.
Actually the SD team salary in 21 will be about equal to that in 2020 which is extraordinary.
Almost like Padre fans need to stop pretending their team doesn’t spend
You are not counting the salaries off the books from last year. Get the facts.
Hey troll. The Padres approaching 180M with no bullpen. They are likely to be at or above this level for the next several years. Stop complaining about money. The Padres have had it for a long time. They just now are opening the purse
Very uneducated comment.
Padres don’t need to spend huge money on pen arms.
Morejon, Snell, Darvish, Paddack, Lamet are most likely the starting 5.
Wingenter and Castillo are back and Lucchesi may make a move to the pen.
They have their core in Strahm, Pomeranz, Johnson and have other arms to work with.
Theyll get some cheap options for camp and figure out who will fill out the pen.
They have options for the pen and don’t need to spend big on it.
They could also utilize Weathers and Gore out of the pen as well.
Very uneducated? Hahaha
The dodgers played at a 116 win pace and are adding David Price for free essentially
You are hoping for the Padres to rely on 2 very young, albeit talented pitchers, a guy who didn’t make your playoff rotation.. and then you are projecting based on the best of Snell and the best of Darvish, even if it’s unlikely either repeats those levels
Oh. And you want your bullpen to be mostly inexperienced, young arms. Jeez. What could possibly go wrong with that?? But I’m the uneducated one. Gotcha
Now the Dodgers sign Bauer and the Padres are just a playoff team. What are the Cubs thinking??? They most love Davies (or his salary).
Who is next out the door for the Cubs? Bryant?
No chance. They’ll save him for the deadline after he hopefully starts out hot.
That would make sense. But getting a top 50 prospect for Yu would have made sense. Getting a top 100 prospect should have been a no-brainer.
Dogshit return for the Cubs. Fire Jed Hoyer
More like a Dogbone return. Amirite?
Either works, to be honest.
Its impressive how Bad that is. Amazing work by Jed Hoyer to set a new low bar
Your name says it all
Everyone trying to throw heat nowadays. Meanwhile, the cubs will roll out davies and hendricks for BP. Btw, i love hendricks, but idk how effective two slow tossers in same roto
Don’t forget flamethrower Alec Mills
3 now. Davies, Hendricks, and Mills.
I can’t believe they didn’t get another even fringe major league player. This is just wow.
To trade Darvish AND Caratini and NOT come away with even one of SD’s top 5 prospects?!!!! The prospects they did get back won’t be ready for the Majors for like 4 years if ever. Disappointing unless you look at dumping Darvish’s salary as a win.
I would agree with you if the C sent was Contreras
We don’t need Carabiner, he will be out #3 catcher
This has to be a complete gut job rebuild unlike the retool we have been hearing about for 3 years. You don’t go after all teenagers and replace an ace with a 4 and try to win. Not to mention they didn’t get 1, not 1, fricken minor league pitcher. This trade makes no sense, none.
iml12, I agree, to not get one starting pitching prospect is terrible. I mean, make it a lesser return in terms of numbers of players by making the Padres keep Caissie and Preciado. Take a return of Mena, Santana, and Weathers. Or Morejon. Not even getting one of either Weathers or Morejon is inexcusable.
Dodgers better makes move in response
Haha no they do not need to “respond”
Because they got their title? Albeit just an asterisk
Enough with the asterisk. You can’t just keep saying something and make it the truth.
60 game season is truth
Again. Longer playoffs with fewer off days than ANY former champ. Best record in baseball with an offense on Historic paces in some regards
They beat the 2nd+3rd best record in the NL, and the best record in the AL. how much harder can it be?
You’re just a bitter troll to claim the title is illegitimate
The Cubs didn’t receive one prospect ranked in the top 100. A total salary dump and embarrassing for the Cubs organization.
Thus the reason why the return wasn’t that great. Pads took on all the cas.h and also gave a proven starter
Davies only has one arb year remaining.
Yeah, I caught that and edited.
Turns out the Pads didn’t take on all the cash, Cubs will foot some of Yu’s salary!
“A minor amount”
Sounds inconsequential
You’ll get over it once Darvish goes back to being his usual injured crap self in a Padres uniform. This was a massive win for the Cubs, just not in the way you and the rest of the fanboys had hoped.
Wat you smokin ?
Now let the Padres send C Luis Campusano & SS CJ Abrams to the Tigers for RHP Spencer Turnbull & SS Willi Castro.
That’s WAY too much to give up by the Padres. And they don’t need either of those Tigers players.
Will this finally get the Preller haters to stfu?
Winning more than a WC will
How about being competitive every year. And building on the playoff experience.
Trade summarization brought to you by 14yearoldbaseballfanatic:
Padres get: Yu Darvish, Victor Caratini
Cubs get: Zack Davies, lottery ticket, lottery ticket, lottery ticket, lottery ticket.
First reaction: Hope one of the lottery tickets pays off… or the Cubs got absolutely fleeced.
Cubs dump aging pitcher with 60MM contract, and now have room to add in their budget. Not that much difference in expected results of Davies and Yu. Wouldn’t surprise me to see Davies start more games than Darvish in 2021. Plus four prospects added to the farm. Not bad for a salary dump.
Yu was a top 10 pitcher last year. Top Ten how can you compare him to Davies?
Because Davies posted a 2.73 era himself and there are reasons to believe Darvish could regress. Could.
Davies also pitched well in the playoffs, not that the Cubs need to worry about that
They aren’t having a fire sale to “have room to add in their budget”.
“Room to add in their budget”: you realize there’s no salary cap in baseball? Since when did the Cubs become a small market team?
Harry Caray just threw up in his grave . Let’s just hope this is another Dejesus for Bowa/Sandberg.. No wonder Theo quit
Ewwww
To be honest, I was expecting Wil Myers to be in the deal to fill the hole of the non tendered shwarber
Cubs were shedding $$$$ not taking back $$$
time for the angels to get grey or musgrove
Then Bauer
lol
I’d rather have had Darvish for what could be a comparable price. Musgrove’s stats can be had on the free agent market.
Or Carrasco or Marquez.
2021 is Davies’ walk year. Unless the Cubs can extend him, it’s a waste. I don’t understand this at all from their perspective, except as a salary dump.
4 prospects. The return wasn’t about Davies
4 lottery tickets, arguably all lesser then the prospects TB got.
Tampa traded a younger and cheaper player. It should be less, because Dervish at his age, price, and inconsistent history, is the lesser player.
You have no way to know that.
so you do understand
Finally, I’ve been waiting all day
This must be revenge for Rizzo.!. I still hate the padres and Steve Garvey.
Nola-Caratini…that seems like an exceptional catching tandem
Campusano, Nola, Carabiner as the 3rd catcher
No one even close to major league ready. Crazy.
Who was the genius that was saying Darvish would cost more prospects than the Snell deal?
Lol
Davies had the same stats as darvish is younger and 15 million per year cheaper in addition Cubs picked up 4 prospects in padres top 15, go Lose some weight.
Yeah, that was total insane thinking. Young good pitcher, old good pitcher who gets paid a lot more. Hmmmm? Lmao
Precaido and Mena could be any kind. It is going to take some time, but they could end up being top prospects.
I mean, it’s easy to be intimidated when you see what your NL Central rivals are doing. Totally understandable move by the Cubs.
Underrated comment
2020 NFC East – we are the worst divison in pro sports
2021 NL Central – hold my quality talent
Hoyer should be completely embarrassed…..To not get even 1 of the Padres top 10 prospects for Darvysh? WTF was he thinking
His age 34+ and 3/$62 had a lot to do with it.
Agree with 5tool
He surely passed on a couple to headline preciado in the deal. A 17 year old already playing professional ball and a shortstop. Not sure how you’d expect much more than that ?? Comments here crazy
I like all 4 of the prospects that the Cubs are getting. All 4 of them very well could end up being top 100 prospects in a year or 2. Disappointing that not a single one of them is a pitcher though.
Reports are Cubs are eating some of Darvish salary also. Don’t forget Caratini is under control for 4 years. This is Nucking Futs.
I called it, said people would be shocked at how little they got back in the way a big prospects.
Diehard Cubs fan and really disappointed in this trade, top 3 NL pitcher and very controllable salary, and we couldn’t even get a top 5 prospect, come on now. Cubs were quick to give up top prospects in Soler, G Torres, E Jimenez, among others and this is what they get on the opposite side. Extremely disappointed, just goes to show it’s simply a salary dump.
Very good point. Look at what we gave up for 3 yrs of Quintana. Yes, more affordable but clearly less talented pitcher- still got a top prospect in Jimenez and solid arm in Cease. Disgraceful salary dump.
Your comparison is awful. It’s a totally different economy. Not to mention Quintana was far more reliable. Who knows what you’re going to get from Darvish
I can’t wait to see what the Reds get for Castillo/Gray/Saurez
Hopefully 3 low level prospects from the Angels.
They better have 3 separate trades lined up w 3 quality top prospects headlining each trade w good backup pieces. If not, reds should keep all 3
Must be nice to be a Padre fan this week. Wow. As an Angel fan all we’ve got on MLBTR Angel page has been “Howie Kendrick Retires” for a week. ZZZZZZZ
Your team won a World Series in 2002; don’t be greedy. Some children in the world will never have their team win a World Series, and many of them have to eat sand for dinner and drink dirty water.
Well this escalated quickly
Cubs get 4 high risk, high upside prospects. Those saying they got fleeced know little about baseball. Stocked farm system, building for 2023/2024. It worked last time.
Fire sale
Simple as that
Darvish wasn’t getting that return last offseason. Less simple than u think
Great return.
Cubs just saved me a few hundred bucks to not have to get Hulu Live next summer.
Kyle Davies is pretty good though.
Underrated comment. I think Hulu is actually dropping Marquee too
Padres got Darvish, Snell and Caratini for
#3 Patino
#7 Wilcox
#11 Preciado
#13 Caissie
#14 Hunt
#15 Mena
#16 Santana
+ Davies and Mejia.
Massive improvements and the original top 10 is still 80% there. SD has such a massive farm it barely dented it. Terrifying what else they might do with all these prospects that they don’t really need because they have positions spoken for long term.
Lindor. shove him in the OF if you need to.
Hader might as well book his flight to SD now.
Maybe if he does you can get all emotional and feminine about it.
They did the same thing on the Clevinger deal earlier this year too. All quantity over quality.
It’s absolutely crazy that they were able to get multiple years of control over Darvish, Snell and Clev and only gave up 1 top 100 prospect in the process.
Pure salary dump. Pitiful return for an ace with 3 years of control. Can you say punting 2021??? Sad thing is as bad as the brewers, reds and deadbirds are the Cubs may still squeak out the division since they still have far superior talent compared to the rest.
Darvish at age 36-37 could be a 2/$40m mess too.
Anything is possible, but what’s the point?
If he wasn’t pitching so well these last several seasons I’d agree with you but this guy has it working right now and worth every penny.
WOW… you can tell Theo took all the algorithms and formulas with him. Aside from Davies, I’ve never heard of the “prospects” the Cubs acquired.
Does anybody have some sabermetrics or advanced statistics on them? Please leave out old stats like batting average/HR/RBI, or wins/ERA/IP. Only sabermetrics please.
General scouting report on Mena I believe is average hit and power, plus speed, defense and arm, athletic but imposing, good instincs. Overall could be a goon if it pans out. That’s the only prospect I think I have any info on.
If you never heard of those prospects then sabermetrics aren’t going to help you.
Little theo epstein caused the cubs implodio
Surprised they havent dumped Bryant yet
Can’t get anything for him with that salary. The only hope there is if Bryant has a great first half and gets traded for something at the deadline.
Stupid question, but what exactly is the reasoning for the Chicago Cubs, one of the most iconic and recognizable sports brands, to clear their payroll? It’s not like they can’t afford to put out a good product on the field each year. Selling low on Darvish and other core players won’t result in a successful squad. Am I missing something about the financial state of the franchise currently?
The pandemic has ruined everything and every team has suffered catastrophic losses. Sadly, the game will likely never return to its pre-2020 ways. Vaccines won’t be available to the public until July or August, and over 50% of baseball fans aren’t going to take it anyway so it’s another lost year.
Yet the Padres can afford to spend…
My thoughts exactly. Cincinnati’s attempt to shed payroll at least makes sense given their small market status, but the Cubs? I know the pandemic has negatively affected each club’s finances, but if San Diego can add ~$50 million to their payroll, I don’t understand the Cubs motivation to clear the books just to mitigate their financial losses. They still had a very competitive team in a faltering division!
Ricketts has spent billions on the stadium and neighborhood, and the loot that was supposed to come from Marquee network hasn’t shown up yet. Gotta save some money until the people can come back.
As it stands at this point in time after today’s transactions the Padres payroll for 2021 is no more than $5 million more than 2020.
They had the 3rd highest payroll in 2020 and 2nd highest in 2019 with nothing really to show for it.
With $150m tied up and 5-6 holes to fill this offseason, they’re either committing to top $200m again, or somewhat conceding to LAD/ATL and find some savings while committing to make playoffs instead of win playoffs.
Heyward and Kimbrel are huge handcuffs.
They’re now projected around $120m and can add a few pieces without limiting themselves from making a trade deadline splash if they feel confident about playoff chances.
Does any combination of adds give them confidence to get through Dodgers in playoffs? Tough to commit to spending.
Just checking instead of going all in for now.
The Cubs will still be able to field a competitive team in a very weak division.
Or using the pretense of the Pandemic to Huizenga the roster, having already benefited from the massive appreciation of the asset due to WS’ 16. Ready to peddle false hope to a new generation.
I don’t believe that the Cubs have $50MM in space below the tax threshold. It may not be a CAP, but it works like one.
But….but….Cubs not a small market team. Unless Cub fans have been Huizengaed!
Selling “low” on Darvish..? No, the took the opportunity to dump a hot stock at its peak. I wish they would’ve landed more, and I would’ve been happy to keep Yu and retool around him. But make no mistake, he has been peaking the last year and a half. How long can he keep it up..? Who knows. But a good time to sell.
I agree. 1 year ago YU was considered a sunk cost. Sell high.
Being able to afford a mega payroll has nothing to do with it making sense. With 3 aging, declining, expiring players. 3 teams that right now should destroy you in the nl playoffs. And little likely hood of needing to fill wrigley this year. It makes perfect sense to cut salary and stock up on prospects.
Not an even one American in the prospects from the Padres. It’s an international game.
Truth be told, international prospects are more volatile. Bigger bang/bust potential. US prospects have been scouted inside out and are better known commodities. Just adds to the “lotto ticket” nature of these prospects. Not top draft picks, just international signing $.
Trader Jerry Dipito has some company. Preller is got that itch. The Padres didn’t really have to give up much it seems and they got Caratini too!
I feel like kramer test driving that car.I don’t want this ride to end.
Forgive me for being ignorant but is the return for the Cubs that bad (I’m not familiar with the Padres’ farm)? Darvish has all those innings on his arm from before coming to MLB and has been terrible outside mid-2019 and on. If you compared it to the Snell trade it should be about 65-70 of his return. Is this worse than that?
They traded a top of the rotation arm for 4 magic beans and Zach Davies. Trade might look awesome in 4 years but it’s not going to help them win any time soon.
Fernando Tatis was nothing but a magic bean when the Padres picked him up.
That’s a fair point but none of these guys are going to help the cubs win a very winnable division in the next 2-3 years. My only hope is somehow Davies outperforms Darvish next year. Hoyer will then look like a genius but I wouldn’t bet the house on it.
Here’s the reality, committing to winning the central isn’t really committing to winning a title. Are you going to be happy with a LDS appearance? Maybe LCS? If they got lucky
They’re committing to building a legitimate next contender. I can respect that
No you can’t.
Hey nonsense. WC or weak division champs often go on to win WS as recent history has shown.
Your name is lolz. No one cares what you think
Majority of fans will use terms like fleeced etc if a trade doesn’t involve a star or some websites top 100 prospect. Cubs didn’t receive any elite highly regarded prospects. They aren’t major league ready for years. But could be in few years. You want one elite prospect that could be ready in 2022 or 3 or 4 with less pedigree but still have high upside but won’t be ready until 2023 2024?
Wow 2 solid pickups for the Padres. Just glad darvish is on the Padres and not my Dodgers come playoff time.
They traded a 34 year old “ace” that has injury history and a ton of money left. If Cubs didn’t retain any of the contract, I’m okay with it. They needed to restock the system. Davies will slide into rotation and those kids will all probably be in the Cubs top 10-12 prospects. Cubs system was not stocked well at all.
The Cubs are paying the Friars some of his salary.
“Y’know, the offseason has seemed a little slow…”
-San Diego Padres
Good day (on paper) to be a Padres fan. I’m trained to be skeptically optimistic, but can’t help but feel excited today!
This shows just how much pressure ownership put on Theo, now Jed to cut payroll NOW….there has got to be more cutting….errr…trades coming….
A year ago the Cubs couldn’t trade him for a bucket of baseballs because of his big contract, mostly poor performance and injury history. Yes, he was great last year in an unusual short season with no fans in the stands.
I’m not crazy about the return, but I was always waiting for the other shoe to drop with him. I feel like the Cubs saw an opportunity to get out of that contract while they could and took it.
I’d say this is the most fair and unbiased opinion on the matter I’ve yet seen
The Cubs got 4 of the Padres top 16 prospects (11, 13, 15 and 16) from the #2 ranked farm system and a decent starter who they may be able to eventually flip. This doesn’t sound all that bad to me.
And they could flip all 4 of those prospects in a few years for the next Jose Quintana. Genius.
#2 according to who? After the Snell trade lucky if they are Top 10
100% agree. Nice take.
He was really good in 2019 too.
Darvish was “really good in 2019” in the second half. His ERA was 5.01 in the first half.
Brewer88 since when is a 3.98 era really good?
230 Ks in 180 innings in 2019. Very strong second half when health improved. His numbers are elite over past 35-40 starts.
Over the last 3 years an ops+ of 110 I’ll pass thanks. According to you the asterisk season means little to everyone other than the dodgers but yet you site numbers from that season to one sidedly support your already weak argument
What a terrible trade by a terrible GM. Jed never was meant to be anything in life other then Theos gopher. Ricketts sees it as just a big salary dump for him and his family
Great for the Padres. I’m so happy that we didn’t have to give up any top prospects for this. Darvish is a legit ace, and Caratini is a capable backup catcher. I feel really bad for Cubs fans right now, as this move probably pushes them out of playoff contention next year, though all these prospects could end up becoming great players in the future.
oof.
Yes?
No horse in the race here, but really like seeing a rotation Maddux broke out in yearssss ago that sees control guys Hendricks, and to a lesser degree, Davies taking the ball. If you’re not getting Gore (and they never were) Davies is a really great consolation building block to go along with the newfound financial flexibility.
Except he’s only controlled for a year and then hits FA after 2021
Someone let the Mets and Blue Jays know that Padres didn’t receive the memo that they were getting every player. If they don’t get that memo over to the Padres, they may end up signing Bauer, Springer and Realmuto next, along with trading for Lindor.
But the Mets are still better according to Metsfan22.
Hahaha
So true. We have to remember that all of the Mets OFs are better than Marcel Ozuna; the Braves aren’t as good as everyone thinks; the Nats and Phillies aren’t as good as the Mets; and the Marlins are so bad that, even in a 60-game season, they’ll finish 15 games out of fourth place – 25 out of first because Brandon Nimmo and Amed Rosario are better hitters than all of the Marlins. It’s proven in Nimmo’s OBP (but batting average is antiquated according to MF22) and in Amed Rosario’s batting average (but with an OBP that MF22 will not mention).. And Syndergaard and Stroman are studs whose absences this year was one of the many excuses…I mean…reasons why the Mets finished in last.
Mets are still best team in baseball. Maybe the dodgers are better. You is old, had 2 good months. Snail can’t go more than 5 innings. Lamant was a fluke. Just wait, the Mets have the richest owner in baseball. We are going to get Baur and Springer. Probably Hendrick.
Put the pipe down and back away
lol The Mets are still in the conversation with Pirates, Orioles and Tigers until they show differently.
“Snail” CAN go more than 5 innings, he just wasn’t allowed to by a manager who was too deeply attached to sabermetrics and wouldn’t deviate from it regardless of how dominating Snell was in any given game. As Hall of Famer John Smoltz said, “Never make a move that makes the other dugout happy.” Every Dodgers fan was ecstatic when Kevin Cash removed him from Game 6 of the 2020 World Series. Thank you sir – thank you so very, very much!
@letsplaytwo
You could argue that Cash’s (TBs) devotion to sabermetrics is what got the two bit Rays deep into a WS in the first place? Did I think it was a good decision at the time? No I don’t think any of us did. He stuck to the play book and got bitten in an elimination game.
As for John Smoltz – HOF player – but as a commentator? OMG – I don’t want to hear if Yogi Berra told him to fork off to the left in 1978. For every Smoltz pearl of wisdom you have to wade through a morass of verbal doo-doos. And he never called Auntie Marjorie back neither…
I think we may need to consider that @MetsFan22 is the secret account for Anthony DiComo, Matt Cerrone or Mike Lupica. Or it may just be one of the most skilled baiting troll accounts on this site. It’s starting to believe that someone is really as delusional as that person is…At least an adult, but he doesn’t sound like a little kid, other than being gullibly and naively delusional.
That’s awesome! Maybe, the padres are in the same level as the Dodgers, Braves, and Mets now.
But there still 4th in the NL
Let’s just wait before making rash judgments. It would be nice to have FO explain what they are trying to accomplish. If it’s a salary dump, then let us know. Bryant next, no matter what the return.
Blah blah Cubs fleeced signed Darvish he sucks blah blah injured 4.00 e.r.a. Pitches in 60 game season with now fans in stands so the mental midget wasn’t hurt. 162 game season and age 36 age 37 seasons we shall revisit your comments . Davies will have better stats next year
I honestly thought the Cubs were going to get back Cronenworth.
No you didn’t.
I did though. In the “Padres, Cubs Nearing Yu Darvish Trade”, I said that I thought they would send Cronenworth+Pham and a mid-tier prospect to CHC. Now with Kim, they have a crowded midde infield sceen and Pham would make a solid LF for the Cubs after NT’ing Schwarber. I also talked with my friend around 5:45 Eastern Time that I thought Cronenworth would be going to CHC.
Ok why? That would have been so dumb from a padres and cubs perspective. Padres for dealing cronenworth – I mean cmon they were never going to do that! And cubs for taking Pham who is not cheap and a poor fit altogether. You were way off on this one, pitt guy.
I think it’s pretty clear why Theo pulled the rip cord one year early. Ownership gave him the number and he knew what would have to be done to get to that number and didn’t want that on his ledger. Hey Jed, congratulations on the promotion…by the way, wear it.
Padres are looking very scary
And still won’t beat the dodgers lol
Surprised Myers wasn’t sent to CHC as part of the trade.
Chicago was that desparate to unload salary
I bet they were desperate too!
It made no sense for the cubs to take on Myers $$
I like owen caissie but man he’s maybe 4 years away. Never heard of the other guys, guessing international signees!? I wonder if Campusano would have been included had Contreras been the catcher instead of Caratini. Tough to judge this deal but I’ll take the ace all day everyday so I love this for the Padres!
Darvish
Snell
Lamet
Paddack
Gore
Straight nasty rotation!
Gore has 5 games at AA. Wouldn’t count him this year.
Gore is absolutely in the mix for 2021, you watch!
Morejon and Weathers are better than Paddack
I think not. Paddack has struggled but also flashed ace potential.
Padres rotation still not up to Buehler, Kershaw, Price, May, and Urias and the Dodgers day-to-day lineup far superior to SD
But of course
I’d argue it’s better and throw in clevinger next year and gore with a year of experience, nasty.
Says the totally butt-hurt LA Dodgers fan.
Yeah, I’m hurt over all those Padres World Series championships and 13 winning seasons in franchise history. Darn Dodgers. All they do is win 100 games every season and make deep runs in October.
Yeah ok and then choke in the playoffs with one of the highest payrolls in the entire league. But hey you won the covid title, the little softball tournament of 2020, you be proud of that right there.
Man, padres stans are so salty it’s always so evident that we live rent free in there heads and won’t ever leave. Just head down to petco during a dodgers away game and you will see that it’s dodgers stadium south. Such loyal fans of 13 winning season 2 ws appearances (both losses) including last years 62 game season in which madre fans said the World Series went through them….sadly only scored 6 runs in 3 games without winning a single game!!! Theylooked more like (sham diego)
I’m not a Padres fan at all, I just like that they are making a full court press at your beloved dodgers and you’re so threatened by it that you had to come into a Padres thread and comment about it. Who is living rent free in who’s brain?!? Asterick champion dodgers.
Lmfao you’re such a bitter hater
La was on a 116 win pace. Think we’ll be fine. Enjoy the Padre bandwagon
Not that bad of a return for the Cubs honestly… they are getting a lot of heat but Davies isn’t that bad. My complaint here is you got a lot of decently ranked prospects in a strong farm system but they all have like 4 years to go before possibly hitting the pros. It’s one of those, well you might have just stolen the next Ronald Acuna who will develop into a superstar, or you just traded away your best cy young like pitcher for guys who will never see the show. Idk. High ceiling guys never hurt
They didn’t get a ronald acuna jr level prospect in this deal.
Or Tatis. Because you know….Acuna and Tatis were once 17….
Right, and every 17 year old turns into the biggest stars in the game. Of course they got those guys in this deal, how could they not!?
Cubs management realizes something that Cubs fans wont ever admit…. their window was over and their farm system is terrible. Even with the Cards cutting some payroll, the division is all but ours before the first pitch is even thrown.
Dogbone’s hairy mother doesn’t even like this deal.
Yeah, now that you mention it, where is the loquacious Dogtroll? Crickets.
So no word on the cubs sending cash to San Diego.
Not sure why folks are shocked by this return at all. Dude is injury prone and is owed over 60 million during a pandemic. If he was a free agent today then 20 million/per year is around what he would net. Not sure why people thought that a team was gonna eat that contract AND give up top prospects. I can’t wait til the Indians trade Lindor and people get their panties up in a bunch again when the Indians get a bag of peanuts. Dude has 1 year remaining at 20 million before free agency while there are currently three all-star caliber shortstops on the market who would cost less in dollars and no prospects. Yet I have Indian fanboys swearing they are gonna get a kingdom for that dude lmao…..
I look at it as two trades:
The Cubs trade three years of Darvish ($60M) for one year of Davies (pre-arb $5.25M).
The Cubs trade their backup catcher for four prospects.
I’m not seeing how the Cub s got fleeced. If Davies pitches well and they don’t contend, he can either be flipped at the deadline or turned into a draft pick. As for the four prospects, the worst they’ll do is get some badly-needed organizational depth. Four prospects and a draft pick (or an additional prospect or two) is pretty good considering where the Cubs now sit.
Darvish is a good pitcher, but people shouldn’t put too much stock in his (or anyone’s) stats during a 60-game season. The guy will turn 35 in August and the Padres are looking for a big-time return over the short-term. They’ll kick themselves if the Reds wind up trading Castillo, who is more desirable at this stage, even though he’d cost more in prospects. I’d rather have Castillo than either Darvish or Snell. Whether Castillo is truly available remains to be seen. But if he is, he is absolutely worth surrendering prime prospects if you’re serious about winning a championship,
Castillo will net a nice package due to his decent health history, age and small financial commitment. The Reds are under no pressure to trade him. The Cubs situation with Darvish was dire
Castillo will surely net a nice return. As a Dodgers fan, I am bullish on not trading Ruiz, Lux, and Gonsolin but would make an exception for Castillo (May is untouchable). Two of them for sure, maybe all three and someone else if the trade also brings Garrett.
Cey Hey Hey… I’m shocked by your response.
Still a wide gap between the Dodgers and Padres.
Cey Hey, no, I disagree. I don’t believe the Dodgers are that far behind the Padres.
The Dodgers average 102 wins a season and are still improving. We have no idea how the Padres will do over a full season.
Cey Hey the gap has narrowed considerably if there is much of one at all. It’s not hard to see a situation where the Padres beat the Dodgers this year but 2022 and 2023 should be completely wide open. My guess after this year the Padres with Snell, Darvish, Clevinger, Lament and a guy who I’m guessing is going truly special Gore. That will be a truly scary Rotation.
We have no idea when the Dodgers will ever win a WS in a season of more than 60 games.? What’s your point?
Ohhh yeah, it’s the Dodgers who need to prove they can be competitive for a full season and a playoff run
Totally
Bruin1012 padres scored 6 runs in 3 games in Postseason and were out scored but 21 runs last season. Last time I checked the offense is the exact same, how exactly do darvish and snell improve hitting?
Young guys such as Tatis, Crone and Grisham could all get better
i’m not necessarily saying it will have the same outcome, but remembered what happened the last time the Padres went all out?
Jmac small sample size sometimes it just doesn’t work out in the playoffs. The Padres offense is plenty good enough to win it all with the pitching they have. Really Jmac you trying to argue that the Padres offense isn’t good because of three games. Let’s be better then that show some intelligence.
@ Cey Hey – in order for the Cubs to get a draft pick for Davies they would have to offer him the qualifying offer which could be around 19.5M after this season or at least the same as 2020 which was 18.6M. In that he is only receiving pre-arb 5.25M I am sure he would jump at the QO if the Cubs choose to offer, just sayin’
Agreed. There is little chance a guy like Davies doesn’t jump all over QO. He probably is a good candidate to extend for a reasonable price.
True. He’s flippable though, and preferable to paying for Darvish’s age-35, 36, and 37 seasons.
Agreed no way they do a qo offer he is not good enough for that…more likey he is a cheap decent pitcher who can be flipped at the deadline for some more mid level prospects or more young guys like that got with upside to continue to rebuild the farm system
Price and Darvish are the same age but the Dodgers pay Price $30;000;000 to sit on IR, what’s your point?
Brewer88 are you just sad because you can’t say dodgers havent won since 88 anymore? Dodgers are only paying 16 million per season for the next 2 seasons and price is much better than darvish at this point in there careers. Dodgers also didn’t pay price for opting out, if you gonna talk smack at least know what you are talking about
In which case, they’d be throwing more good money after bad, potentially stuck with a journeyman for essentially the same price as their “overpriced” inconsistent ace
Price and Darvish are the same age but the Dodgers pay Price $30;000;000 to sit on IR, what’s your point?
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This thread has more stupid comments than any article I’ve seen in MLB-R, but this is easily the stupidest comment.
1-If you don’t know that the RS are paying half his salary, you are not qualified to make comments.
2-He is not on the IR; he is on the Covid list. The LAD not only won the WS, they did not pay Price a dime, let alone $30M.
Get a clue dude.
The dodgers pay price 16M you troll
Cey Hey if you understood baseball you would know the Cubs are not getting a draft pick for Davies without a qualifying offer and the chances of him being worth a QO are slim.
Thus there goes your entire analysis rookie!
wordonthestreet- don’t spend too much probing Cub Nation for deep analysis. Its a futile pursuit.
@ Willie – That sounded really rude until you reached the “ysis” bit.
Yea because Gausman was such a lock for a QO before last year? Or Hellickson the year before?
Davies has been WAY better than either their prior 2 years leading up to their platform year.
You’re talking so much hate WordOTS, but you’re pretty dumb if you can’t see a way Davies gets a QO
Feeling pretty good about this if I’m the Padres, feeling very unsure about this if I’m the Cubs, and am still not afraid if I’m the Dodgers.
Feeling great if I’m the Cardinals because no one else in the division is currently trying to win. This means they can fill out their roster with October in mind. That’s something they can do either in the winter, at the July deadline, or both. I’m not saying they will topple the Dodgers or Braves, but their advantage in the Central should last for more than a year. They can afford to be patient and smart, which is always better than desperation.
Thank you AJ. 2020 going out with a bang. Let’s get Musgrove traded to cap the year off, or ring in the new year.
Gotta debate my grade for Cubs but should be at least a B. Padres at least a C. They paid the price.
Ps. So much for gore lol
This is 2014 corrected. Really impressive.
I will miss YD, however his contract was extreme. they got prospects and an okay pitcher. Big question is how much the Cubs will eat his salary if any.
Amazing amount of comments about the prospects the Cubs received, and I’d bet 90% of the commentators know exactly -0- about them.
The fact that nobody’s heard of them IS the problem.
It doesn’t actually mean anything. Most fans might know one or two top prospects from a team. That’s all.
All these guys are well-considered. All four might be 45+ or 50 FV prospects. I’d bet all 4 rate as at least 45. This reminds me of when Cincy traded Gray & Downs when they were likely in that #125 territory. Some of these guys are likely to develop.
Or thought of from another perspective, three of these guys ranked high enough to get $1M++ signing bonuses.
You’d be surprised. A lot of fans follow the top 100 prospects and definitely know who are in their own teams top 10. So people are very aware of the talent that’s out there. The problem was last season there was no minor league season so no one got a look at this last draft class in action as well as all the INT signings. So these are newly minted prospects which is why no one has a handle on them.
So these are newly minted prospects which is why no one has a handle on them.
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I agree, which is why it annoys me when posters criticize guys they nothing about. Cassie was just drafted in the 2nd round. Of course he is not highly touted yet. Preciardo is 17, with the highest bonus ever paid to a Panamanian prospect. Mena just turned 18 with a $2.2M bonus.
I don’t blame fans for not knowing much about them, but I do blame them for bashing prospects that they know nothing about.
They aren’t bashing the prospects, I think they’re more upset that they got a bunch of teen depth pieces for their ace pitcher! No one knows what they will become but what we do know is that the big club no longer has a cy young contender pitching every fifth day and did not return a known commodity for him. Hope it works out, 5 years from now.
We know they’re 4 years away. Minimum. Unless one of them goes insane and turns into Juan soto/Eloy Jimenez and Mike Trout all in one .
I have trouble seeing what’s wrong with this return. Cubs are on the downswing and headed towards a mini if not full rebuild and got rid of a guy that gets that’s expendable to that type of mindset. They made their farm stronger and won’t have to eat any of the salary. Lottery tickets are fine. That’s what every prospect is. Even the highly rated oh so coveted Top 100 you all seem to cum in your pants over. Maybe just maybe Hoyer is smarter than you all. It’s possibly a great deal for both sides. It’s possibly a terrible trade for either or. We don’t know because paper can’t throw, catch and hit a baseball. Pads are win now. Cubs are attempting to replenish (and shed money). Nothing wrong with the deal at all.
A big part of a rebuild should be building organizational depth, which the Cubs have done. They also get a draft pick for Davies if they don’t re-sign him or trade him at the deadline for more prospects. Also, they still have more solid veterans they can trade. Horrendous division. If Hoyer does this properly, they can be back in the post-season in relatively short order and be there annually. Expanded playoffs are coming.
Cey Hey I see baseball is not your thing.
The Cubs are pretty much in the playoffs annually now. Did you not know this?
Keeping Darvish instead of trading to just dump his salary would have kept that going.
Cubs are a big market team. They should not have to trade for 17-18 year olds to “restock” – restock for what 2026?
Expanded playoffs who cares. Expanded playoffs lead to teams that are .500 or worse getting in. That does not make them contenders.
The idea is to WIN championships. Not just squeek into the playoffs!
Get it now?
But wordonthestreet, you discount the value of selling all those 2022, 2023, 2024 playoff swag to all the tourists in Wrigleyville. Who wouldn’t want a Wildcard round champions cap you can flip on backwards at the next Dave Mathews Band reunion. Stylin’
“The Cubs are pretty much in the playoffs annually now. Did you not know this?
Keeping Darvish instead of trading to just dump his salary would have kept that going.
The idea is to WIN championships. Not just squeek into the playoffs!
Get it now?“
You’re such an idiot. You contradicted yourself in less than 4 sentences. The Cubs with Darvish would be a squeak in team. But you’re mad they aren’t happy being that? Holy hell you’re dumb word on the street. Wow.
AND you have the brass to insult others. Just give up
You’re correct, can’t really fault the Cubs in this deal, but one can question the series of management actions that brought the Cubs to this embarrassing place in time. The big losers today are the many pennant contenders out there who could have improved their chances next year by trading for Snell or Darvish, but didn’t.
The Rays got a lot of grief in the national media for supposedly tanking the team in 2021. Glad the Cubs decided to step up; we’ll gladly hold their beer.
The Difference, dear ole Ray friend: Rays truly a small market team with a whip smart management team with a plan that continues to flip assets for buildable foundation pieces for the next wave of contending teams, and seem to hit on found value at a staggering pace. The Cubs: not so much.
I honestly like the return for the Cubs. Preciado and Santana, the two shortstops are gonna be studs. Preciado is still young, 17 or 18. In 2 years he would of been top 3 in the Padres system. And Caissian the same thing, would be near the top in the rankings. I really like this return and gives the Cubs a chance to win now and to add some really good players in a couple years to the roster, I like it
They didn’t land 1 blue chip prospect, not 1. None of these guys will be major league stars, they’ll be lucky if any make an impact at all. Organizational Depth, that’s all it is. It’s also a sign that the team is about to be blown up in a big way. Hopefully they can get something good back for bryant but I wouldn’t bet on it!
Moneyballer- like the 2 rednecks in the old SCTV skit- this team is going to be blown up , “blown up real good!”
Dear Mister or Missus RyanEmery, I don’t think even Preciado and Santana’s guidance counselors know how this will all end, but appreciate the unfettered optimism. Sincerely, Baseball Blog management.
I do
Even with these two trades giving up so many prospects. Padres could potentially still trade for Luis Castillo if they wanted.
didnt even get out of all the money too. what a joke.
A 17 year old, two 18 year olds, a 20 year old, and a rental. Most of us will be dead by the time any of these guys are even semi-ready for the bigs, and the law of averages tells us that AT LEAST two of them will flame out or be traded long before then.
Which is why they got 4 guys back. Who knows, maybe they all flame out. Organizational depth pieces aka, what the heck are you doing?!?
Now just need San Diego to trade for Gincarlo and we’ll be good.
Very strong trade by the Padres, who have crushed it the last 24 hours.
At this rate half the league will have .700 records to the other half’s .300.
Ugly- ugly upcoming year for MLB.
Not necessarily, there will still be some parity.
this is moving an asset while it still has value…possibly max value at that. good move and i guess we shall find out about the return in a few years. high upside lottery tickets might surprise….
Thank you San Diego for breaking up the monotony. It had gotten so boring and all we had was continuous headlines of players I never heard of signing with the KBO.
Once again thank you San Diego Padres for heating the hot stove this year.
So while the Padres take the lead, will the Dodgers rest on their laurels waiting for their next championship in 2052 after spending billions more dollars? Maybe that one will be in a season longer than 60-games.
I know is hard for NL west teams not to think of the Dodgers after 8 straight years. But what the Dodgers had to do about this article. This will make it more fun at least.
The Dodgers have the better roster and a recent history of success. While they’ve been winning 90-plus games a year, the Padres have been losing 90.
Aaannndd…
Speaking of 60 games, when was the last time the Padres had a winning record over a full season? The Dodgers averaged 100 wins per season over the most recent three full seasons and have eight straight division titles. The Padres haven’t posted a winning record since 2010 and have just 13 winning records in their entire history. How exactly have the Puds taken the lead? And how many years has it been since the Padres’ last championship? When was that Padres’ championship again? I can’t remember the year. Can you? Surely you must have attended the parade.
Lol. Padre fans so obsessed with LA, you’ve convinced yourself LA fans are obsessed with you
Living rent free in your head
I’m more concerned with the Braves. Fried and a healthy Soroka are better than any Padres pitcher.
Dont forget to add Anderson
Yeah because that’s 2 guys! I’ll see myself out.
@Cey Hey
Boy baseball is not your forte.
Padres now have 2 of the top 4 pitchers in the NL Cy Young voting in NL (Fried is was 5th).
So they have two pitchers better than anyone in Braves rotation right now genius.
Get it now?
And Gore joining the rotation at some point in 2021 too.
gore has 5 AA games under his belt. Expecting him to come up this year and be some savior is quite dumb really
That’s a godsend if he does that. Shouldn’t be the expectation.
I’d be pretty upset if I were a Cubs fan. More than that, demoralized and crushed.
Winning the WS in 2016 carries a lot of weight but it only goes so far. And waving the white flag by trading your best pitcher before the season starts, during a pandemic when all we have is hope, is something a lot of fans will never forget.
I think the Ricketts need to sell this team because this is the type of thing the Marlins do, not the Cubs. Find a steward who will run the team, ala Steve Cohen style.
Here’s the truth the Cubs should have committed to the rebuild 2 years ago.
They could have traded Kyle Schwarber, Kris Bryant and not be on the hook for that Kimbrel contract because they would have been rebuilding and not competing with a flawed team.
And now Baez and Rizzo have lost a ton of value so if you do trade them you’re only gonna get pennies on the dollar for them. So really In some cases you gotta hit the reset button and start over. But they hung on to their guys for too long because of sentimental reasons because they broke the curse and they wanted to hang on to those guys as much as possible which I cant fault but at least they got a WS unlike Cleveland fans who dont even have a team name at the moment.
What has Steve Cohen accomplished as an owner?
@ Cy Hey. You just do not understand baseball.
Well Cey Hey Steve Cohen has not been an owner for about a month now genius. What is he too accomplish by then?
Oh well he put a new front office in place. A real front office with experience and structure and landed McCann as FA picking up a catcher which is a premium position.
Get it now?
So he signed a catcher who was a backup his nearly his entire career and got, what, his 15th choice at GM?
Go Cohen!
See how that’s really nothing? Get it now?
Wonder if the Cubs now trade Bryant and others? I’d love for the Yankees to make a move for a pitcher like Hendricks
Please they aren’t dealing Kyle Hendricks – give me a break!
*Anyone* is available for the right package. I doubt it happens, but if the Cubs were blown away with an offer, they’d be foolish not to trade him.
Ok Mets the ball is in your court now. Time to make some moves.
Why do people keep bringing up the Mets lol?
More like in the Pirates’ court. With Darvish and Snell being taken off the table, they have one of the most valuable SP’s avaialbe once you consider salary in Musgrove.
You would have thought a good baseball executive would have gotten at least a top 5 prospect from the Padres system. I guess Jed is just a second rate executive.
Yea but Darvish was sorry in 17, 18 and half of 19 and has a big contract. He did great and was a top 10 pitcher in the NL last season but its not like they traded for deGrom. So I think the Cubs got a decent haul. The Cubs are just punting on the 2021 season is all.
Joedirt I think they are punting more than a season. They picked up a 17 year old. Two 18 year olds and a 20 year old.
The only major leaguer they picked up will be a free agent after next season.
The others, if they pan out, are 5 years away from helping.
Pure salary dump in my opinion. I feel it is obvious that winning the world series the next few years is not a priority for the Cubs and with these very young prospect you are looking at a long rebuild.
You don’t understand how baseball works. Just a guess that Hoyer knows more about being a baseball executive than beer-belly fans. Btw, what are your qualification for running a Major League team? Be specific.
The only thing to understand is that the Cubs owners have no money and it’s a salary dump. Nothing more than that.
You go Cey Hey! Confront the bully. This is fun!
I cannot wait to see the MLBTR poll for this!!!
Dumpster diving Jed
How is trading for prospects dumpster diving? Explain.
He (WillieWildkat) cannot explain
We can watch Cey Hey and wordonthestreet go at each other all day. Fun!
Action AJ is at it again I see. Nice move again and it looks like the Padres won this trade (better than the trade for Snell for sure.)
I was ok with this until i seen they are paying part of his salary that makes this look real bad..davies is actually a suitable one year gap fill…and the four young guys at least seem to have upside…even if it will be a few years till they ready its ok cubs will have a couple guys from there system ready this year and next so waiting isnt so bad if they pan out…my original thought was they will now probably invest the money to resign javy..but if they threw in cash as well then this makes no sense..for years everyone screamed about draining and not restocking the farm system so this made sense if they would of used the money to resign one of there own but..throwing in cash and caritini just stupid…cartini had some value that could of netted something in a seprate trade
I mean in a way this is how baseball should be run from a cubs perspective. Cost them nothing in prospects to get Darvish, returns a good chunk to see him exist. If all teams could flip free agents this way, these big money deals would be easier to take on! It’s like investing in the present and the future!
You make a valid point about free agent swap but they threw in cash and carintini so for me that down grades this
Caratini is nothing (literally a light hitting backup replacement level catcher) and the cash was minimal I hear.
Likely to rank 9th-11-15th and 16th with the cubs the Padres lost alot in last summers and the Snell trades in guys in 3-15 range. Now other then the Top 5 the Padres Top 20 is weak.
Can Preller now pull off #12, #17, #19, and #20 for Castillo from the Reds?
No the reds aren’t that desperate!
Typical Cubs trade (middling returns). Not sure how you end up paying partial salary trading away a Cy Young finalists. Seems kinda dumb.
Pretty sure Padres are paying the rest of Yu’s salary. Cubs are off the hook for 60mil.
It’s still dumb. They’re giving Darvish away for peanuts. Cubs fans should be pissed at the return, but they gots the special magic kingdom koolaid, so it’s all good.
Tatis, who you remember the White Sox traded away, was once a peanut.
Jesus, how toxic are Cubs fans in these comments lol. Realistically what type of return did you really expect for a 35 year old being paid 18-22 million for each of the next 3 years? He’s been above average for half of 2019 and a 60 gm pandemic season. The last few years prior to those he was either hurt or extremely inconsistent. More than half of the teams in the MLB are cutting payroll because of the the uncertainty of what the pandemic holds for the financials of teams. That only leaves a handful of teams with the means and desire to actually take a gamble with someone like Darvish. Yet Cubs fans expected to obtain Top 100 type prospects? Really?
Yep. Did you see him pitch last year? Controlled ace level starter should easily net a top 100 guy or two.
Padres bought a lot of fools gold in Darvish. Good job by the Cubs to dump him off the shortened season while at his peak value. 1 or 2 of the prospects turning into something is gravy. They’ll be Chicago’s second baseball team in town next several years anyhow while they remake their roster following 2021.
They’re still the #1 team in Chicago no matter how good the white sox end up being. White Sox aren’t even the 3rd best team in Chicago.
Sure. Ignore results no matter how it turns out. Lot of Cub fans or so-called start that way based off the superficiality of being more popular.
Pathetic.
#1 team among 13 yr olds from Naperville and the hordes of tourists from Nebraska and Iowa. The ones who casually flip racist taunts while touring the friendly confines and consuming that fine deep dish pizza. Not #1 among city residents that are actually from the neighborhoods , knowledgable baseball fans (the ones who know whats going in-game and don’t just show up for the 7th inning celebrity conductor, Go Cubs Go!, and Murphys), and recent grads. Why do you think Len Kasper jumped ship from Cubs TV to White Sox radio? Tired of all that nonsense.
I’ve been saying for years that you could trade away almost any free agent, halfway thru his contract, and be better off. I like Darvish, but a year ago, you couldn’t get anything back for him. He was starting to pitch well after his injury, but no one would’ve taken on that contract, at that point.
And many fans were castigating Theo for the signing. IMO, the Cubs were smart to capitalize while they had the chance.
Signing Darvish was a bargain from the start. It was never a bad move.
Hahaha white sox could win a championship and the Cubs would still be more popular. You’re the ugly sister of the family, white sox.
Don’t you see what he’s doing? Potter’s buying, not selling!
jleve618
Love it, Lol!
Rough day for Shatkins in Toronto: Snell, Kim and Darvish all gone. So far they’ve resigned Robbie Ray for less money ($8 million vs. $9.34 million last year), claimed Antony Castro and Walker Lockett (who?) off waivers, lost Lockett to the KBO, and added five young prospects to the 40-man… not inspiring the fan base after promising impact talent would be added.
Still early, lots of deals left to be made. They’ll get their big Joe Musgrove deal done, just you wait!
Rough day for Shatkins in Toronto: Snell, Kim and Darvish all gone. So far they’ve resigned Robbie Ray for less money ($8 million vs. $9.34 million last year), claimed Antony Castro and Walker Lockett (who?) off waivers, lost Lockett to the KBO, and added five young prospects to the 40-man… not inspiring the fan base after promising impact talent would be added and rumors have linked them to almost everyone not named Bauer.
Cub fans should be furious. If it wasn’t clear before, it should be now that the Ricketts are only interested in the team as an ATM. The family had 100 million for election contributions and then claim poverty for payroll. Pathetic.
Don’t forget they quadrupled the value of the Cubs in less than a decade. I wouldn’t doubt it if they sold off everything and then sold the team for a massive profit. They’re fake fans anyway. Especially Tom Ricketts. You just tell he was always at the front of the class in school. Got to class an hour early. Probably sat in a lecture that wasn’t his class.
I’ve said it before. You can’t just become a fan overnight like he did. 1 game in 1984 in the bleachers does not make you a fan. Especially when you’re 21. 99% of cubs fans have it in their blood. They’re born into Fandom. I guess that could be the case for all fans of all teams and other sports.
Me personally I’m a 3rd generation cubs fan. I’m so much a cubs fan. I wore my Kris Bryant jersey to Rockies and Padres game. The Rockies mascot looked at me like what the heck are you doing. I did get a high-five from him though.
This. Sad feeling the Ricketts, reflecting the corporate titan mindset in their DNA, are Huizengaing the franchise. ’16 was great (thanks Theo!), but now would be the time to flip the franchise at an all time high. Think how much the team appreciated post-Tribune company. Hope that’s the case for Cub fans. Worse would be if they simply hold on to the Cubs and peddle false hope without a plan…a la the McKaskeys.
I actually like the deal for the Cubs. Darvish has really only been good for his last like 24 starts with Cubs and with his age and salary was never getting top prospects in return. They shed his salary and restock a barren farm system. Yea they didn’t get 1 top 100 guy but got 4 high upside lotto tickets. Davies isn’t flashy but gets results. He helps keep them competitive in a weak division or is flipped at the deadline. Caratini is a great backup but can be replaced for a season until Amaya is ready.
Ha! Padres still end up in 2nd place maybe even 3rd. Snell, Darvish, Lamet, Paddack, and ?? They don’t have the pitching depth of the Dodgers and in a full season I don’t see Padres offense nor pitching keeping up with the Boys in Blue. That 60 gm sprint was nice but guys like Cronenworth, Nola, Myers, & Grisham have been overated thus far in a small sample size. Darvish, Snell, Lamet, Paddack have all been injured at some point within the last 3 years. Darvish had TJ in 18, Snell had elbow surgery in 19, Lamet had TJ in 18 & missed the 2020 playoffs because of injury, not to mention Clevinger is out with TJ in 21. Paddack was supposed to be the guy but he took a huge step back in 2020 with his lack of a 3rd pitch, reliance on fastball, and overall lack of experience . I just don’t see them unseating a team who just won a world series and will probably only get better next year. Dodgers will be king once again in a full season in the NL West.
You forgot the * next to “just won a world series”
I love how the padres just live rent free in dodger fans heads
Plus its funny, cause out of the dodgers n padres, the only team that improved for 2021 thus far are the padres. Dodgers are losing a handful of guns. But hey, keep sweating, its funny
LA was on a 116 win pace, are adding Price and likely not losing Turner. Anyone else will be replaced
We really don’t care what you do. It’s pretty freakin funny how obsessed you are with thinking we do tho
Some of the teams that haven’t won in a really long time, think they can talk like a champion before they win. I think the SDP are really good, but until they win, the LAD are the champs.
Bingo
NL CENTRAL is the worst division in baseball.
I think it’s safe to say we will see the Padres in the Playoffs at least
So, Davies and 4 $20 Cal lottery scratchoffs. I can already see the Ricketts fam gather around while Tom breaks out his last, er, “lucky” quarter.
Well said, Dbird. Why Davies then? Better off settling for 6, or 11 $20 scratchoffs. If youre going to tank, go all in. This smacks like a Jose Guzman to sate the memory of Greg Maddux kind of thing.
What’s next? They trade Bryant?
It’s Official. Hoyer’s tearing the Cubs apart.
I was hoping the Cubs would have gotten better prospects then what they got but as a Couch GM what do I no , That said Cubs have done well with international players and I always wondered why they found some great international players but couldn’t do anything in the draft . Maybe Jed was the guy in charge of International signings and if so then maybe this turns into a good deal then again maybe it won’t . What does get me upset is how the Cubs shoot seems like every Chicago sports teams seem to let players walk and end up with nothing therefore I’m happy the Cubs were able to look ahead and get something this time. They may even get more if Zach is doing good at the trade deadline maybe they deal him.
It does seem like only yesterday that Cubs dynasty was beginning.
Yesterday. All their troubles seemed so far away.
At least Preller woke us all up by turning up the gas on the stove! This is fun. We’re all living in the real world and the guy is playing dynasty fantasy baseball with a real franchise! Chips are in the middle. I love it! Way to go dude, keep at it!
So how many top prospects are still in the Padres system after these trades? Or did they trade guys that were blocked by the loaded team they already have?
Not counting Tatis, think there are 3 main guys who don’t have legal issues still Around
I thought the list was 5 deep, then they lost Patino and that catcher is still in some deep trouble, until he’s not. So 3? I could be missing one
They still have four top-100 MLB prospects in Gore, Abrams, Campusano and Hassell. Plus Tatis Jr., Weathers and Morejon are only 21. Grisham and Paddack are only 24. Cronenworth is 26. Machado, Lamet and Snell are only 28. Oh, and they just added 25 year old super-utility infielder Ha-Seong Kim… they also have multiple excellent playoff tested veteran leaders like Hosmer, Myers, Machado, Pham, Pomeranz, and now Darvish and Snell.
A whirlwind last 24 hours for Preller and the Padres. Snell, Darvish, Caratini, Kim, and all it cost was Davies, Patino, Mejia, and a handful of lotto tickets.
I love seeing a padres thread and the common trend is “dodgers should be scared” “they won’t win a ring in a non shortened season” all while missing the basic point. The dodgers live rent free in almost everyone’s head in the nl west and for good reason, you can use weak retorts like “they always choke” “they always buy chips” much to the dismay that padres are doing the exact same things as dodgers yet get no flak. Padres will never be dodgers sorry to burst your bubbles. Padres improved but dodgers were in a class of there own last year and likely for years to come. All this comes with the territory of being top dog in the west, all you sad padre stans just further prove the point, you mention us in your own threads and try to insight a rivalry when there has been one (padres are bottomfeeders outside of last years shortened season) 13 winning seasons in 65 years 2 ws appearance losses says it all! Just know we don’t care about you guys, but I will say thank you to friar faithful for allowing petco to be Chavez ravine south every season.
On a trade about Padres, you are here bragging about Dodgers. Insecure, much?
You can feel free to filter through the comments and see padres talking smack about dodgers on there own thread!!!! Nobody needs to mention dodgers just be happy with your own team success. Just proves we live rent free in your head!!!
This is probably the most unintentionally hilarious comment that I have seen in a while.
Clearly not even aware of how ironic it is for a Dodgers fan, who is here commenting on a Padres trade, to be saying that the Dodgers live rent free in the Padres heads.
Saying “you mention us in your own threads” doesn’t count when you come to that Padres thread and then start mentioning the Dodgers lol
Huh. It’s funny how many Dodger fans have been on these Padre trade comments
I think you guys used to not care, because the Padres were so bad for so long. Now, you can’t resist coming on here. You’re a little uncomfortable. It’s easy to tell.
“ You’re a little uncomfortable. It’s easy to tell.”
Holy hell you’re so full of yourself. This is literally the ONLY THING HAPPENING IN BASEBALL
It could be the twins or the white Sox and dodger fans would still be commenting
You sound like the guy who lost out on the hot girl and then dissed her saying “eh, she wasn’t that great.”
No dodger fan wanted Darvish back here… nope. Especially not above the 6 guys we already have in house
Your analogy kinda blows up when you consider basic facts. Jmac never wanted him. How could he be upset he “lost” Darvish, when LA never cared?
Yet you’re here investing a lot of time and energy into saying LA doesn’t care
I’m here to talk baseball. Spoiler, Padre posts were the only things going on the last two days. Not many other places to be
You and many of your buddies insist on making every Padre move about the dodgers. And If you say stupid things and I happen to see it, I’m gonna reply. And many others prolly feel the same
Still doesn’t mean the Padres scare dodger fans. Just means we call you out on your BS
What’s crazy is the Padres could conceivably go after Bauer too if they’re able to salary dump Myers by getting rid of him and a top prospect like Weathers (who is expendable) for a mid-tier reliever. Backload Bauer’s contract so it really kicks in after the 2024 season when Snell and Darvish’s contracts come off the books. Bring on Pillar for defensive depth on a cheap multi-year contract until Hassell and Abrams are ready (with Kim and Cronenworth taking up most of the ABs).
Imagine for the next 3 seasons:
1: Bauer
2: Darvish
3: Snell
4: Lamet
5: Paddack/Gore/Morejon
With Clevinger slotting in just for the 2022 season &:
C/DH: Nola/Campusano
1B: Hosmer
2B: Cronenworth
3B: Machado
SS: Tatis Jr.
LF: Pham
CF: Pillar
RF: Grisham
Super Utility: Kim
Still not beating dodgers.
Not once did I mention the Dodgers, just said it would be an exciting team to watch.
They didn’t sign Kim to be a super utility guy I can tell you that much. He will be an everyday player and the 8 mil a year he got, indicates their intention there.
I foresee the Padres being in a full rebuild in 3 years. They unloaded a significant portion of their farm system for Clevinger (out with arm surgery), Snell (2 years removed from arm surgery) and Darvish (a pressure-situation choker who cannot function unless the temperature in the water is just right). They should have been patient and built up like the Braves. The Padres still have a weak bullpen and offensive holes in their lineup. An injury or two to a pitcher and they might not even make the playoffs. People keep forgetting that last year was a 60-game sample. There is a reason why production changes over 162 games.
I would place Snell at #1, all he’s ever done is excel.
Not a popular opinion, but I think they need Myers’ bat (or the equivalent) in that Slam Diego lineup,
And I have to wonder if they should solidify the backend of the bullpen rather than get Bauer. At this point they have no closer, but the Padres emphasize bullpen strength and I’m guessing they will shore things up.
the truth is no one really knows if it a great trade or bad. the cubs got really young prospects and remember the kid the got in last year’s draft. So the jury is out . Maybe in 4 years they will all of these young players and be the envy of baseball or the won’t make it and the cubs will, be awful. i don’t know. The padres got a great pitcher now and the cubs may have something years from now. For anyone to say this a great or bad trade. No one will really know until years from now.
One has to admire the impressive efficiency of the Padres today. They’ve gone to midlevel contender to potential Western challenger.
Wait two SS prospects when we have the best in the game and they just (now effectively) wasted a first round selection on Ed Howard?!
Anybody else feeling horrible for Yu? He comes off as just this genuine down to earth good person and chose not to exercise his opt-out close because of how much he liked the Cubs and was comfortable in the organization.
Not just down to earth, but fun. Rivals Trevor Bauer as the sharpest and wittiest social media presence in the game. Something you figured a media conscious club like the Cubs would be able to build on. Guess that’s all fading away, post Marquee deal. The Ricketts are turning into the McKaskeys
Yes very fun, in a different but complementary way than Rizzo and Javy. He had less of the baggage to an employer that Bauer carried too.
I mean look at how Yu handled a potential twitter attack last year from a convicted(maybe?) Yelich. He was diplomatic but put him in his place and struck the jerk out in the field too.
Besides all that he was literally a pitching machine you could almost program. Really really surprised the guy didn’t ever have a straight up knuckleball in the back pocket. Vic could’ve caught that too.
I just do not get getting back MORE shortstops in return! Are they not in on Javy? Not sold on Howard anymore?
I also feel a little bad for Darvish but I think every baseball player knows it’s a business.
As far as the two shortstops, perhaps you forgot that the Cubs had three of the best shortstop prospects in all of baseball at one time (Russell, Baez and Torres). Shortstops are always extremely valuable because they are athletic enough to play anywhere on the diamond and they have tremendous trade value.
Too bad they most likely won’t have a fan convention. That’d be an upbeat event.
Yeah, would love to hear the booing when they pitch the Marquee network this time.
I hope they go hard for Bauer.
Why did the Cubs want Zach Davies? They clearly aren’t trying to contend in 2021 and he be a FA after 2021. They should be trading away rentals. Not trading for them.
Just because you aren’t trying doesn’t mean you can’t contend in the central.
They could easily flip him. Flipping rentals is in part how they built their World Series roster.
@Sky14 Zach Davies is not a fix-and-flip candidate. He isn’t coming off a down year like Scott Feldman and Jason Hammel were when the Cubs signed them. The Cubs will actually get less than they gave up to get him because he’ll only have 2-3 months of control at the deadline rather than a full year.
I think he’s in the deal because SD needed to offset some salary and it was the way Chicago could get the most value in the trade.
Its kind of weird because at $7-8M and with his production as a mid-rotation arm he’s not really a guy you “dump”, but I think this is a case of SD needing to free up money and the player being useful so the Cubs took him.
@CNichols ABSOLUTELY DAVIES WAS NOT A SALARY OFFSET! IF HE WAS, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN NON-TENDERED! SALARY OFFSET GUYS ARE ONLY GUYS WITH UNDERWATER CONTRACTS THAT TEAMS CAN’T SIMPLY OPT OUT OF!
I’m tired of people constantly referring to guys who are still in arb like Zach Davies and Tommy Pham as “salary offsets.” If the Padres needed to get of them to offset salary, they would have been non-tendered.
Because someone has to take the ball every 5th day contending or not.
Darvish, Lester, Quintana, Chatworth is quite a lot of starting pitching to lose. Someone has to throw those innings
So call up their best starter from AAA. There was ZERO reason for them to waste valuable assets trading for a year of Zach Davies.
Amazing how convinced and then angry you are that Davies is here to stay. He could be traded tomorrow
@Laughing@You
They better trade him now. His trade value drops every day they don’t.
That’s an even dumber assertion than the one you made above that you know without question the Cubs, not the Padres, 100% demanded Davies be included
It’s quite easy to see the Padres saying:
“No, the Cubs have to take Davies or else we won’t take 59 million of Darvish’s 62 million left. We don’t feel like taking the Time to move that money, we’d rather invest our time in fixing our bullpen. If you want Davies great! Or if not, there’s another Mlb caliber 3 starter who had a 2.73 era last year and a solid postseason. Go get yourself some more players.”
With this other assertion, wtf!? He’s making 7M and had a 2.73 era. NO ONE on the pitching market with those numbers is signing for 7M. He’s a HUGE bargain, and therefore has significant trade value
So they likely will wait till Bauer signs, for 35M a year, then go to the losers and say “you can give Tanaka 20M a year, or Davies for 7M and maybe you offer him a QO”
You really think he has no value? Lmfao ok bud
@Laughing@You well we KNOW the Padres didn’t do that. Why would they say “Please take this good, cheap pitcher away from us. We don’t want him, even though he fills a need on our team.” The only reason the Padres would do that is if Zach Davies had an underwater contract which he doesn’t. Moving Zach Davies wouldn’t take any time. All they have to do is tell the other 29 teams “Davies is going on the block. Send in your final offers. You have 24 hours.” Then trade him to the highest bidder in 24 hours. That way at least get something for him. The Padres weren’t the ones who wanted Davies in the trade. The Cubs were. That much is obvious. What’s not obvious is why. He has no value to the Cubs because he’s a rental.
And I never said Davies has no value. What I said was that his trade value goes down with each passing day, not up. Since the Cubs don’t gain in terms of contending by having him on the roster, that means they need to trade him NOW.
Do you think Yu is the Yu you knew in 2020?
Do the Padres dare wish Darvish can swish ‘em at the dish?
Baseball trade history oddities include multi-prospect packages for a major talent where within short orders one of the occasional prospects rises and elevates over the major talent..
Sometimes injury or ineffectiveness is why. Zach Davies can excel in Chicago. Yu might or might not regress in 2021.. If he reproaches elite thate will surprise me more than if Yu backslides. Davies is not bad and I see double-digits in wins.
Good for both teams. Obviously it wasn’t the retired Ron Fowler who was the Padre ownership leader going for broke.
B-B-But, the Cubs can print money.
2026 Cubs might make the playoffs.
Yu never know, Darvish could get hurt learning how to surf.
It’s hard not to have mixed emotions regarding this trade.
The Cubs got some very high upside talent in return for Darvish but they didn’t get a single top 100 prospect where the Rays for Snell got Patino who is ML ready and a highly regarded prospect.
Darvish has the edge on Snell in track record, recent success and peripherals. Plus the Cubs sent Caratini over. So in comparison the Cubs did worse than the Rays.
What the Cubs did get however are 4 very high upside prospects. Santana looks like a guy who can climb up the ranking rapidly and with Percidado. Mena sounds very intriguing with his speed and opposite field approach… I cannot get mad with what the Cubs got in return here. I would give them a B as a grade due to upside vs. the bust potential.
Yahoo Japan is reporting that Darvish tweeted he hasn’t made up his mind yet. He may have a no trade clause to waive in order to go to SD.
Darvish would be wise to head to California and play for the Friars because the park is more suitable for him at his age…
I think he only has a list of 12 teams that he can block trades to and I’m pretty sure SD wasn’t on his NTC list, so the Cubs can trade him to SD whether he wants to go or not.
Cubs are still gonna draw 2.5 to 3.0 million fans. Rickets will make his cheese. I guess Bryant is the next guy to go. Pretty soon, Cubbies will be rivaling the Bucs for last place in the NL Central.
With all the dumping in this division, you’d think one team would step up and try to improve. This will be an easy division to win for someone. I’m most disappointed in the Reds looking to dump, as well.
The Padres may have one of the best 1 – 4 in a rotation in a long time. Barring injuries or Covid this team should in the world series.
The Cubs are dumping payroll. It was a good reload deal. Davies is an underrated pitcher. I could see them flipping him for a couple of more decent prospects if it is a true rebuild. Now it is a question of how far they go. Will anyone give them anything for Bryant or do they need him to rebuild value?
It is amazing that Gore didn’t go in either deal, especially for Snell. The Padres picked up some big pieces and retained the cream of their farm.
Darvish had a nice bounce back year and Snell has been mostly good but I don’t love the Padres rotation. They still have some question marks. Lamet is very young, Paddack regressed a bit last year, and Gore hasnt even made his debut yet. These moves could go sideways for the Padres quickly if Darvish struggles early and Snell doesn’t get back to 2018 form.
Things could go awry sure, all teams can say that. Look what happens to the Yanks lately with injuries?
Lamet will be 28 in 2021. By comparison Snell is age 28.
Re: Darvish bounce-back; Bauer bounced back from 6+ ERA in 2019, has a 9 season ERA of 4 and yet teams are lining up to sign him.
Young might’ve been the wrong word. Inexperienced is probably appropriate I guess. I like Darvish in that park but losing Davies is significant. He was good last year. I’d still put the Padres staff top to bottom below the Dodgers. Pretty close between them and the Braves depending on Soroka’s availability and how Anderson does in year two.
Many are knocking this trade but the Cubs got a Starter to replace Darvish in the rotation and obtained four prospects that can play the infield and outfield.
If the Cubs fall out of contention then they could trade the pitcher and obtain another prospect or two at the trade deadline.
Yes this was a Salary dump but it did not hurt the Cubs as much as some are claiming.
Next move is to trade Baez and Bryant and if they must and get a good haul then trade Wilson C. and retool the team for 2023 and beyond.
I give the Cubs a B+ on this trade because the prospects look solid…
Thank you for some sanity. IMHO, there have been more crazy comments on this article than I have ever seen in MLB-R.
1-For the Cubs fans that think the Cubs just forfeited the division, no, they are still the favorites. The drop-off from Darvish to Davies is not as steep as some think.
2-For the Darvish bashers, who always mention the 1st half of 2019, he was hurt. Since he recovered, he’s been really good.
3-For the misguided Cubs fans, who thought they were getting a top-tier prospect back, he’s good, but the value isn’t there. You have to think of it in terms of excess value. If Darvish was a FA, what kind of FA contract would he land? Think of Bauer, and then add 4 years of age, and some injury background. The ceiling, imo, is maybe $75M/3. At most, you are looking at $16M of excess value.
4-For the Cubs fans, and the Cubs haters, who insist that the prospects they received are no good, because they never heard of them, or because they aren’t in the Padres top-4, it doesn’t work that way.
Just for context, you can look at the FG prospect assessment. Last year, the SDP had 14 guys with a value of 45 or higher, while the RS had 6. That means that trading for the Padres #14 was the equivalent of trading for the RS #4.
And the younger guys are rarely ranked. One was a 2020 draft choice. One of the internationals had a $1M+ bonus, and another had a $2M+ bonus. They are all real prospects, even if you never heard of them.
YOU ARE HIGHLY DELUSIONAL.
YOU ARE HIGHLY DELUSIONAL.
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And yet, you chose to not dispute a single point I made. Let me know if you ever want to actually debate the finer points of baseball.
Otherwise, it is back to the basement with you.
Joe I guess you sent ChiSoxCity fleeing back to his basement! Lol
It was more like a timeout. I think he grew tired from watching the adults talk real baseball.
Yup my Cubbos have threw in the towel. Hello 106 more years of rebuilding.
I wouldn’t have minded if they’d gotten Morejon+. Yu is getting older and is expensive. To not have gotten a single prospect among their top 10 is a joke. For better or worse, though, I don’t see them doing a fullscale rebuild, just because the NL Central is so weak. The Cubs can afford to lose Darvish and still probably win the division, then they fool themselves into believing they have a legitimate shot at the WS. Until another team forces them to rebuild in order to get further, I don’t see it happening.
The Padres still have 3 very good to elite lefties on MLB’s door step, one of the top rated catching prospects on MLB’s door step, a soon to be MLB top ten prospect in Abrams and a young outfielder in Hassell who some considered the best pure hitter in the 2020 draft. Preller has proven that he knows how to build a farm system via the International player route and will add 4-5 very good international players the next two years. The Cubs got two very good, but young prospects in this trade and were able to shed $55 million in payroll. The Cubs were not going to compete for a World Series with their core, this is the right move. The Cubs should trade off the rest of their valuable players and stuff their farm system like the cross town Chisox did.
Padres are gonna be deadly in 2022 with Clevy back
It’s the Padres’ world. The rest of us are just living in it.
Jed, you got boned AF!
Prospects , wow , several may never make it anyway, as the world is full of should have but didn’t. The cubs at least received a pitcher back, and I feel other players should be dealt before this move was done , so I do not like it.
Looks like the Padres have their best rotation in franchise history right now.
That 1998 rotation was pretty good. Only down spot really was that they needed 24 starts from Mark Langston and Pete Smith
Kevin Brown and a bunch of waifs
Are yu kidding me?
Again baseball becoming the haves and have nots. Chicago doing the dump for draft slots.
Man, the cubs are dumping salary faster than the reds. Both teams look like they’ll be fighting with the pirates for the bottom of the devision.
cubs are dumping salary faster
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They moved one salary and took back one smaller salary. That doesn’t even move the needle.
They have at least 90mil after that trade to play with. Its now time to sign rizzo and baez to extensions sign an odorizzi or archie Bradley. Get a LF.. now they need a catcher. Contreras can play all 162.
Over 648 comments!
Is this a record?
I doubt it, but it is the highest I remember seeing, certainly in a while.
As a Giants fan, my hat’s off to the Padres. This is a remarkable offseason by anybody’s standards. When you are close and you have the resources, a team has to go all in. Of course, I will continue to root for the Giants, but I’ll be rooting for San Diego too—to crush the Dodgers.
The Cubs were wise to unload Darvish. It was not to long ago when Yu’s value was so terrible, that the Cubs couldn’t pay enough to trade the guy.
Ok, so you all know those ridiculous proposals thrown out by homers, often Yankee fans. Propsals like “Sanchez and Andujar for Lindor and Carrasco.” Our garbage for your star! How can you say no? This trade, right here, is the kind of thing that fuels these delusional hopes. Cubs didn’t get a single top-1o prospect from the SD farm? Seriously?
The Cubbies gonna Cub… it’s what they do.
How TF does a package of 17-20 year olds + a solid #3 mean your washed out 27 year old rejects from their own team have trade value? What an idiotic comparison
As a Cubbie fan I say thank god!
AJ “Force Trade” Preller
That is a really weak return in the present. Hoping for even one of those wild cards to come through seems like the strategy of an also ran team not the defending division champ. What was the big rush to get him traded? Seems like Sox trading Quintana to the Cubs brought together better prospects than these guys. Again, maybe they all become Tatis, Jr. as a wild card that comes through. That’s a big gamble for a big market successful team. They acquired zero pitching prospects and a regular that is a free agent after the year that is not known for his stuff. Truly a bizarre return.
While its a stark drop off after Bauer, the longer they waited the less teams may have had interest. Maybe this is why Theo left a year earlier than was originally planned, he didn’t have it in him to blow it up. Who knows?
You can’t compare the Quintana return to the Darvish return. Few teams are willing to take on salary and fewer teams are willing to give up prospects than was the case in the past. Darvish also had an 11 team no-trade clause so it limited the number of teams the Cubs could shop him to. Quintana did not have any no trade clause. Quintana was also on one of the most reasonable contracts in baseball (or so it seemed at the time) whereas Darvish’s contract was a slight bargain but still a risk given his age and injury history.
Yes, the haul was very light but comparing the two returns is apples to oranges.
Interesting haul. If the Cubs were desiring contention, you’d have expected a few major league ready pieces–seems like they’re content to retool and remain somewhat competitive.
Makes sense to unload Darvish, and Caratini was surplus. Why not just flip Davies at this point? He was stellar last year and is very cheap this year. Based on his performance, age, and contract (albeit only 1 year left), he should net a top 150-200 prospect. Or, sign him to an extension right away. He won’t command a ton of money and has been solid throughout his career.
Hedges
Naylor
Quantrill
Patino
Trammell
Mejia
Zach Davies
Reginald Preciado
Yeison Santana
Owen Caissie
Ismael Mena
Blake Hunt
Cole Wilcox
Gabriel Arias
Joey Cantillo
Owen Miller
Ty France
Luis Torrens
Andres Munoz
Gerardo Reyes
Hudson Potts
Jeisson Rosario
Edward Olivares
These are the 23 guys the Padres gave up in trades in the last year (might be missing a few). For as hyped as this team has become I don’t see how they will overcome depleting their farm system soo much. Once Gore is promoted that farm will probably rank near the bottom of all major league clubs. Darvish is 35 and has yet to prove something throughout a full season, Snell can’t get out of the 5th inning & will be at 100 pitches by then and be lifted for a pinch hitter, Lamet is hurt, Clevinger is hurt, Austin Nola is average, Cronenworth is overated, Grisham has yet to prove anything, Myers was atrocious until last year’s 60 GMs will he show up in 21? That bullpen was cheeks last year and Kirby Yates is no more. How exactly are these guys going to compete for a World Series ring exactly??? They aren’t even better than the White Sox’s and their moves last year. I predict a 3rd place finish in a full season, and Preller selling off multiple pieces in a few years when they realize they just aren’t good enough. Injuries, lack of depth, crappy farm, and overated players is what I see in the Padres. Machado and Tatis are the only locks on that squad. Paddack, Snell, and Lamet are intriguing pieces but they all have question marks Lamet hasn’t been healthy, Snell needs to go deeper into games and might not get that chance I’m the NL, and Paddack needs more time to develop maybe some more time in the minors might help to work on his 3rd pitch.
Thank you. Darvish and Snell are good pitchers. They aren’t Verlander/Scherzer/Kershaw. Jamie Shields comes to mind
Funny stuff, and you forgot a few. There are perhaps 4 or 5 guys on that list that are or will become quality MLers and after all the deals the Pads farm system remains top 5 in baseball, it’s that deep. 6 players still in Top 100.
Preller just stole 5 mil.
5 mil. About how much your Phillies bullpen is worth.
Next five years, the Cubs will have more winning seasons than the Phillies. Your long rebuild is inevitable, meanwhile the Cubs will do a quick rebuild of the roster and will still make the postseason next year.
Actually, Darvish is owed $62 million, not $59 million as his second place Cy Young finish triggered a $1 million elevator for each of the next three years. So, the Padres will be paying $57 million, not $54 million.
5 million was approximately the signing bonuses of all the prospects. In the grand scheme of things it’s insignificant.
off topic,,,, but what happened with Jeff Todd?
He bought a camping gear business in Roanoke, VA. He still writes part-time on Wednesday night. Did you know that kyleschwarbersmom was born in a Jeff Todd chat?
Oh boy, it looks Theo Epstein jumped got off this ship before it started to sink! Epstein dismantled the Cubs’ farm system with trades where it may take five years to even discuss the Cubs in any discussion as being a team on the rise. Bryant and Baez lost their values for any significant pieces for a run in a three years.
Baez is a top 10 SS. He has plenty of value. Except you extend him not trade him.
Cubs sign Springer; 5/100
Hey, they just freed up $20M. What do you do with $20 big ones?
Not quite. Darvish saved them 22 mil and Caratini 1.4 mil. For a combined 23.4 mil. The Cubs will essentially pay 1 mil a year of Darvish’s contract for the remainder of his deal. So now the Cubs have shed 22.4 this year once you add that 1 mil in for Darvish.
Then you have to take into consideration the money they will have to pay Davies who will earn 8.5 mil this year. So all-in-all the Cubs end up shedding 13.9 mil from their books.
Total this season the Cubs have shed somewhere in the ball park of 55 mil with shed not picking up Lester’s 25 mil option (had to pay 10 mil buyout), 23 mil fell off the books with Chatwood and Quintana, lost a project 10 mil more by non-tendering Schwarber, Almora, Tapera, and Martinez. There are some other salary cuts but those are the major ones. There is no reason why this team having saved 55 mil this year couldn’t give out a few major league deals. Even if they spent 20 mil they still will have saved 35 mil this season
The team will also be losing about 84 mil next year in payrolls with potential free agents Baez, Rizzo, Bryant, Winkler, and Kimbrel (if they decline the Club Option after this season). Now with arbitration for other players going up you would have to imagine they would have to use somewhere in the ball park 10 mil for additional expenses to those players. So in theory the Cubs could have 125 mil to freed up in the next two off season. How they can’t lock up 2 or 3 of the core position players long term is beyond me.
So where are all the AJ haters that haunt to this site? Back on the couch hub.
Hey AJ hater where are you?
Lawdhammercy, this is the slowest-developing trade EVAH!
Good luck to Yu and Vic in San Diego. Davies is solid and the Cubs should still compete for the Central. It’s unclear exactly yet what direction the are heading in but ths could be that they are threading the needle, so to speak like the have stated. We shall see what kind of baseball man Jed can be at the top now. He is being challenged for sure to put out a competitive club, better the farm system, and cut payroll. As a Cubs fan I hope the Owner aren’t going to completely throw in the towel. They should recover soon and have Deeeep pockets. Look I’m a Cubs fan and will certainly not act like I’m not thankful for the years since new ownership took over. It’s been a pretty good ride so far, since 2015 I’d so most any teams fans would sign up for the success they have had.
Thank you for this. I like it when rational fans can appreciate their own success. If you listen to some RS fans, Henry is the epitome of evil for not winning a WS every year.
IRT the Cubs, I don’t think they are throwing in the towel. My guess is that they recognize that they are the best team in the division, even if they swap out Darvish for Davies. But not competitive for the WS, outside of ‘anything can happen’.
So they are threading the needle a little, by continuing to be good, but cutting the time required for the inevitable rebuild.
So, how long before the entire coaching staff gets fired? 2022? 2023?
Love to see “small market” teams go after the big guys. This should be a fun team to watch, I hope they poop on LA.
Yu is a great pitcher who needs to grow up and get off Social Media. That said, SD is the team to beat now. LOL Great moves by that organization. I think this Cubs should have gotten more, but whenever Theo is involved in bringing in big names, he ALWYAS over pays and extends – that’s how he wins. When he leaves…well, look at Boston and the Cubs right now.
You is better than Snell, and look what the Rays got for him compared to what the Cubs could MUSTER for Yu. The Cubs seem to make bad trades at times.
Yu is better than Snell? How do you make that comment? Age, innings, contract, injury history, are all considered in better.
@ChitownSox2022
Yu is not better than Snell and Snell is 6 years younger (and in his prime) a coveted lefty and also around $40 million cheaper.
So Snells contract which is what is traded is worth more in trade.
That is how it works. Your welcome.
Needs to grow up and get off social media? Sounds you should take your own advice.
Lol I just saw that the Cubs are only covering $3MM of Darvish’s contract and I immediately recognized that the quants in San Diego are idiots. Nice try tho!
Plus the $8 mil for Davies of course.
This is likely meaningless. My guess is that the $3M was derived by the fact that Darvish was owed an extra $3M because he finished 2nd in the C.Y. voting, and SD figured that, since the Cubs got the benefit of the performance, they should pick up the cost.
Nothing mysterious here.
Oh Joe you figured it out? Well since the article clearly stated the $3million was for the incentives there really was no mystery. Yea I read the post.
Caratini: 2 oz Vodka, 1 oz carrot juice.
So the Cubs get two good prospects and an era champ contender for a backup catcher and one of the worst contracts in the last decade? Anyone thinking this is a bad trade for the Cubs are high lol
The Padres show the ineptitude of the Rockies and why fans can only hope the team relocates to Tijuana Mexico and the city can get an expansion club