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Royals Acquire Andrew Benintendi In 3-Team Deal

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The Royals have announced a three-team deal to acquire outfielder Andrew Benintendi from the Red Sox. Outfielder Franchy Cordero is part of the return going to Boston, along with righty Josh Winckowski, who’ll come from the Mets. The Boston org also receives three players to be named later, two from Kansas City and one from New York. On their end, the Mets will add K.C. outfield prospect Khalil Lee.

Benintendi is under team control through the 2022 season. He’ll earn $6.6MM for the upcoming campaign under a two-year arbitration agreement he made previously with the Sox. The Sox will pick up $2.8MM of the tab on Benintendi’s 2021 salary.

There’s no doubting Benintendi’s talent. He has largely produced above-average offensive numbers while delivering well-rated, versatile glovework across the outfield. Benintendi shone in particular in 2018, when he ran a .290/.366/.465 slash line with 16 home runs and 21 stolen bases over 661 plate appearances.

Unfortunately, Benintendi’s output has drooped a bit since that time. He was merely an average offensive performer in 2019, though his batted-ball figures (.330 wOBA vs. .348 xwOBA) suggested some poor fortune. And he struggled mightily in brief action last year, with a forgettable 14-game effort halted by what turned out to be a season-ending rib injury.

The Royals obviously believe a well-rested Benintendi can return to form. To reach his previous levels, the former sixth-overall pick will both need to rediscover his acumen at the plate and rebound from a multi-year decline in foot speed.

For the rights to Benintendi, the Royals will part with a package of potentially interesting but unestablished players. Cordero is 26 years of age, like Benintendi, but has only taken 315 MLB plate appearances over the past four seasons. Despite immense potential, he has been thwarted to this point by injuries and has yet to fully test himself at the game’s highest level.

The Sox will give Cordero a chance to find his footing in the bigs, though even if he’s successful he’ll only come with one more season of control than Benintendi. They’ll otherwise look solely to the future in this deal. Winckowski, whom the Mets acquired earlier in the offseason, has yet to crack the upper minors. He’s considered a potential back-of-the-rotation arm. It remains to be seen what names will be available in the PTBNL selection pool, but the Red Sox will have three chances to choose far-away young talent after getting a fresh look over the coming months.

For the Mets, it’s rather a straightforward situation. The club obviously preferred the future of Lee to that of Winckowski (and whatever PTBNL ends up moving in the deal). In addition to filling a void in the team’s prospect pool, Lee has some serious potential upside. He’s a certified burner, having swiped 53 bags at Double-A in 2019, but still has some developing to do as a hitter.

MLB.com’s Jon Morosi (via Twitter) first reported a deal was in the works. Jon Heyman of MLB Network tweeted an agreement was in place. Further details were reported by Robert Murray of FanSided (Twitter link), Jeff Passan of ESPN.com (via Twitter), Heyman (Twitter link), Alex Speier of the Boston Globe (in a tweet), MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand (on Twitter), Chad Jennings of The Athletic (in a tweet), and Joel Sherman of the New York Post (via Twitter).

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    • That’s what the “more to come …” part means dude

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        • Na, just a fan who pays attention to baseball and tries to understand what gms are doing. It’s a lot easier to figure baseball out that way instead of spouting nonsense like collusion and yelling fleeced every time some highly overpaid player is traded away for nothing but salary relief.

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        • It’s pretty sad you have to be such a condescending d!*khead on the internet all the time and proclaim yourself the all knowing king of everything cuz you called a move by sheer dumb luck. Come to think of it, you act like that all the time anyways. I’d hate to work with you or be your spouse or family member smh…

          As for the baseball side of things, I guess the Royals and GMDM are kicking things into gear and trying to move up to at least second place in the weak AL central, if not this year then next (banking on Benintendi being actually good).

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        • Iverbure – “ instead of spouting nonsense like collusion and yelling fleeced every time some highly overpaid player is traded away for nothing but salary relief.”

          Agreed! I rarely read the comments on MLBTR anymore as the average IQ is even below Sleepy Joe’s.

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        • Delusional a bit to think the Royals can get up to second place.

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        • A lot of people get speculations correct but aren’t so insecure that they need to point it out. Pretty sad, man. Given how often you get things wrong and do post nonsense, though, and are called out for it, I am not surprised that you felt the need to to pat yourself on the back, publicly), for getting one minor prediction right.

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        • Ironically, that is exactly what iverbure usually does…spout nonsense.

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        • Yea was gonna say someone called this in here or in a chat like last week. I rennet thinking at the time that makes a lot of sense. Good on u mate! Lol, well played

        • Iverbure reminds me of a certain someone whose name began with an X. When the cubs signed Yu Darvish, this X guy was pretty close to correct on the years and cash… and didn’t shut up about it for 3 months.

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        • Xabial. I remember that. Guy was awful. But yeah, he was pretty spot on with the prediction.

      • Submit it in your application to MENSA, because none of us care

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        • And that’s why you replied. Because you don’t care. Realistically they should ban anyone who has less than 12 right on the prediction contest. Obviously those people don’t know anything about baseball and are just clogging up this site with their nonsense. I’d be embarrassed and delete my account if I had less than 12.

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        • I’m glad you finally had something go right in your life. I’m proud of you.

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        • In not sure this argument holds any water since the people who run the site can barely get those predictions right at a 15% clip.

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        • Imagine if you put this much effort into something like, I don’t know, education or a career?

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        • Literally, more than 97% of the 4,268 entries have gotten less than 12 correct. Including 5 of the 6 MLBTR staff.

          The biggest spouting of nonsense I’ve heard in a longtime is the suggestion that correctly predicting a dozen free agent signings somehow correlates to whether someone “knows anything about baseball.” What a maroon.

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        • Come upstairs all of you!
          I’m tired of the fighting. Have some cookies.
          Mom.

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        • I purposely go bonkers with my picks, figuring if the offseason is insane, I’ll look like a genius. In reality, I just look like a moron, like usual.

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        • Someone mocking you for your awful attitude and then going about their day and never thinking about you does not mean you live ‘rent free in [their] head’.

          But imagine if they did. You’d be so obnoxious that a total stranger is spending time thinking about you. Not exactly something to brag about there, bud.

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        • @iverbure. I don’t know if I have ever seen a poster manage to alienate themselves from the rest of the commenters as fast as you did. All well. You at least have yourself to love and appreciate you. =))

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        • I hope you get less than 12 right then.

          You need to dig up a post you made however long ago and gloat. How obnoxious are you? Like seriously…

          If you had just said “I called this in an earlier post”, it would not have been so bad. But you had to do all of that work, unless you have like a file with predictions next to article links in a word doc or something, which would actually be worse.

          Idk man, I think you’re sus af.

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        • Out of how many? I have a feeling you’re the type that throws a lot of S at the wall to see if it sticks, then brags like you should get an award when you’re right.

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    • “The Royals are finalized a deal that to acquire outfielder Andrew Benintendi”

      Does this line make grammatically make sense?

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    • Honestly IF Franchy is healthy, and that is one big if that probably won’t happen, the Red Sox will easily win this deal

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      • That’s a HUGE if up to this point – but wouldn’t it be great to see him for a full season. Some of the bombs he hit with San Diego were beastly – big time power

  8. Noooooooooo. Was there wrong with Beni in the clubhouse, not coming from ownership cuz they lie!

    • Dayton’s been wanting a LH bat all off-season. Makes plenty of sense. Our lineup is sneaky good and Benentendi helps that even more. Bullpen has a chance to be dominant and Lynch/Kowar/Lacy/ will be joining Bubic and Singer in KC soon.

      • I understand that KC could use a LH bat, but it seems to me like they already have plenty of outfielders. I thought the Marlins would get him.

        • The Royals were thin at OF even before this trade. Cordero was an unproven starter, Michael Taylor hasn’t played well, and Edward Olivares has 100 AB’s in his career. .. Khalil Lee, Nick Heath, and Kyle Isbel were young guys that may have an outside shot at making the team. You add Benintendi and lose Cordero/Lee; the Royals were looking at the possibility of playing both Whit and Dozier in the infield but looks like one or even both will have to play in the outfield unless they get another outfield bat along with Benintendi.

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      • I wouldn’t be surprised if Bubic goes to Boston as one of the PTBNL.

    • Now that Franchy is going to Boston it makes more sense. That clears up the OF a little bit. Good job for KC.

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    • NC needs a CF. likely want to extend him and tey and steal a WC spot this year. that team is sneaky good.

    • Seems like he’ll slide in for Alex Gordon. Pretty straightforward.

      With their additions, Perez back as catcher, and the abundant pitching upside, KC is looking kinda interesting these days.

    • I think Bloom became very concerned with literally all of Bennie’s metrics trending downward the past 2 years. Dick Wagner (CIN) always preached it’s better to trade a player too soon than too late. Even without knowing the return, I think BOS did the right thing here.

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      • He did trade him a year too late. Forget his 2020 injury, the package pre-pandemic would have been far greater. That said, this is a Tampa type trade that in a couple of years Sox fans might be cheering about. Separately, hoping its win-win and Benny rebounds. Nothing not to like about him. I just felt for over a year it was time to move on. His salary had become too much for what I projected as his return.

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        • IF AB is healthy, a change of scenery might be just what he needs. Middle of the country kid going to a middle of the country club. I wish him the best.

    • Because this is as high as he’s going to get. Get out now while you can.

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      • I’m still wondering what Mets are giving up to get kcs 8th best prospect. Franchy isn’t enough to get Benny so I’m assuming Mets are sending prospect to Red Sox along with Cordero

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  13. would’ve been nice to make the move before Ozuna re-signed

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        • You don’t want Ozuna in left field, right field, or center field. Especially not in the championship series, you’d have 2 DH with Ozuna and JD

        • Left field in Fenway is the size of a postage stamp. It can’t be that difficult. Although I’d want lots of practice off the wall.

        • Not only the Monster but also the side wall with zero foul territory, the doorway and the angle that the shortstop has to cover while you go to the corner.

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    • The Red Sox were never going to sign Ozuna and definitely not for $86 million

      • Wow. I’m glad the Braves didn’t sign him for $86 million too. =D

        Ozuna isn’t as bad a defender as many posters say. For example, he has never posted less than 1 DRS. While he did post a -0.9 UZR, he has never posted so low before. Given that last season was shortened, I’m not going to make to much of that.

        • My bad. $64 million. The Red Sox still weren’t going to go that high. Maybe next year but not now

  14. Wasn’t a Benintendi deal going to be “done by the weekend” about a month ago?

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        • I don’t comment much but so many angry people on here. Good for you man for getting it right. As a fan that is part of the fun. Lots of smart people on here too, I wish the comments were more about debating baseball instead of tearing each other down. Make good choices people ;)

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  15. Makes me think another move is coming for a right handed outfield bat. Maybe just Pillar. Expecting no one coming back for 21. Sounds like a futures and money off the books now deal.

        • Pasha your obsession with Brock Holt says you might want to walk back your comment. And quick.

      • No thank you to both. Devers has improved defensively in each season and will continue to get better. Turner is at the end of the line and can’t accept that no one wants a 36 year old 3B for four years.

        • Sorry. but after his first year, Devers could only improve in 19 and while last year was short, he again looked mostly lost. He will have to improve or if he rains in Boston long term, he should be the DH after JDM.

        • “Devers has improved defensively in each season and will continue to get better. ”

          You don’t watch Red Sox baseball much. Devers is a complete mess.

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        • If he shows up in shape, he will benefit from Cora riding his butt. Stay tuned.

        • Cora can ride him to the oceanside. It won’t matter. Looking forward to the Jays RH bats torching balls down 3B and exposing him.

      • In what world does that make any sense for the Redsox? Put them over the tax again?

        • The world you live in doesn’t make much sense Iver. Winning is something you know nothing about. You have admitted it over and over again with your “never spend money” diatribe that does not work nor does not fly.

          Nebraska is looking for another fight. Go find him. Can’t wait for Lou Braille v. Helen Keller II.

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        • iverbure8 hours ago
          In what world does that make any sense for the Redsox? Put them over the tax again?
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          Just for fun, explain how getting rid of salary will put us over the tax again?

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    • One more 90 loss season wouldn’t be the worst for their future but at some point they need to make incremental steps forward. Win 75 this year, add a few top prospects, and who knows maybe they pass Cleveland and Minnesota in 2022.

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      • They have a pretty solid chance at passing Cleveland this year. The Royals have improved a bunch, and Cleveland took a step back losing Santana and Lindor. I see the 2 teams as probably pretty even right now.

        • every team in the central is mortal and I think the 2nd wild card spot is the Central’s 2nd place finisher’s to lose. (and if the Yankees pitching doesnt hold up the central’s 3rd team might even be in)

        • Lindor wasn’t even great last year and the Indians were still on pace to finish 25 games ahead of the Royals over a full season. The Royals haven’t done nearly enough to fully close that gap even with Cleveland taking a step back.

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  19. Pretty impressive move as long as it doesn’t cost KC an arm and a leg (or two top arms).

  21. We’ll see what the return is, but I don’t think trading him after a down year was the best move

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  22. Obviously depends on the players going to Boston but I love this deal for the Royal. Obviously coming off a down year but he’s still young and has had productive season in the majors. Definitely better than any of our current left field options. If there’s a starter or a high end prospect going back, I might change my mind but if it’s a B prospect or two I’m all in.

  23. What…? The Red Sox selling low on a bounce-back candidate with All-Star potential?
    I don’t get it. I don’t understand this move whatsoever if it doesn’t bring back a huge arm.

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    • I was thinking similar. A ROY runner up and future all-star to “traded for Franchy Cordero” in the matter of 3 years.

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    • We need to see the final deal but the OF mentioned hit a mighty .211 last year and the pitcher mentioned was a 15th pick of the Blue Jays a few years back. Looks like another salary dump by the Red Sox to me. Go back to Tampa Bloom !!!

      • It doesn’t remove enough money to be a salary dump. It’s most probable that Boston feels Benintendi is toast and wanted to get something for him before he went the Swihart route and lost all value.

        • Not sure Benny will become another BS (seems to fit with the overhype), but Sox fans need to be patient and wait before evaluating this deal. While Benny could have been a rebounding piece to either sell for more in July or to help steal a 2013 type championship, this deal creates a little savings that can put into another player that also could help either of the aforementioned, neither of which is likely.

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  24. Chavis came up as a third baseman so he makes sense for NY, am i on to something or crazy?

  26. Funny , do to recent events. Not surprised to see the “not yet a done deal”

  27. If it is a 3 way trade and the sox traded benintendi to the royals, then wouldn’t it make sense to speculate the sox return is from the mets?

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  29. I think this basically guarantees that Nicky Lopez won’t be the starting 2B. Outfield getting too crowded to have Whit on the grass, too.

    • I wish but the outfield really isn’t crowded. Benetendi is the only legit starter they have if you believe the Royals are wanting to play Dozier at 3B this year. Michael Taylor isn’t very good but will probably start in CF, so there is a good chance Whit starts in RF this year leaving Lopez to start at second.

      There are other scenarios where Hanser Alberto starts at 2nd or Alberto/Gutierrez starts at 3B with Dozier in RF and Whit at 2nd. Whit and Dozier could also play CF and RF with Lopez at 2B and Alberto/Gutierrez at 3B. We would need at least one more OF bat for me to be confident about Lopez not starting.

  30. Because this is as high as he’s going to get. Get out now while you can.

  31. Passan and Heyman saying Franchy Cordero to Boston, Benintendi and cash (from Mets) to KC, and Khalil Lee to Mets

  33. Who the F**K is Franchy Cordero? Boston is an embarrassment right now.

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    • He was a prospect on the Padres for awhile. He is extremely athletic, and is the type of player who can hit 40 homers a year while playing center. However, he stays as healthy as Giancarlo Stanton, so it remains to be seen if he can play well for a full season.

      • Cordero will not hit 40 home runs in his entire baseball career

        Chaim Bloom will be fired in September of 2022

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        • Like I said, Cordero’s only problem is that he can’t stay healthy. IF he was able to stay healthy over the course of a full season, he is definitely talented enough to hit 40 bombs.

    • Power/Speed guy – other players will be involved as well. Also, JBJ is likely coming back now as well.

      • John i don’t think so. Bradley’s 31 and wants a 4 year deal at this stage. Sox are kind of going younger and have guys in the pipeline to play center next year or the year after. Bradley is adios amigos.

        They only say they’re keeping tabs on him if he’ll take a one-year deal to patrol center before our young guys are ready to take over. I think a team that’s in the middle of the pack or better will give Jackie 3 years. It won’t be the Sox.

    • If Cordero could ever stay healthy he’ll be a huge contributor in the AL East with all those tiny parks. All the talent in the world just hasn’t been able to stay on the field long enough to show it.

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      • really raw. very fast in the grass but poor routes limit his range. he can hit 450′ shots but struggles to make contact with k rates near 40%. incredible poor and speed to dream on but so raw still and if he continues to struggle staying on the field he’ll be out of chances very soon.

  34. Billy C. passes away, Andrew B. gets traded…..not fun being Italian in Boston anymore…..

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  35. Khalil Lee to the Mets? That is who the Sox should have gotten back in this deal…

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  36. I am not understanding this trade. 2 K.C prospects heading out for a major league outfielder with no upside? I am totally lost on this move.

    • There are more parts in this deal – just not announced yet. Also, cash exchanging hands.

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    • I don’t know how you can say Benimtendi has no upside, he’s 26 and has three above average major league seasons under his belt including one very very good season. Last year was rough but it’s 14 games and he was playing through a rib cage injury.

      • Isn’t league average right around 2 fWAR? If so, 2 of those 3 seasons were exactly league average… One of them was really good though.

      • He’s only got 2 years left and is coming off 2 bad years. Depending on what Boston’s getting from NYM, they might have done pretty well given what value he has.

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        • I was going off OPS+ with 100 being average. His career triple slash is .273/.345/.435 he’s basically Alex Gordon. Doubles power, lots of walks, a few Ks, a little speed (more stolen bases than Alex) and good defense (under Rusty Kuntz could become an elite left fielder).

  38. I don’t get it, all they got back was Cordero? Trying to figure out this new regime, I just don’t get some of the moves they’re making

    • It’s hard to get when all the details have not been announced yet. Chill B

  40. Boston didn’t seem to get much in return….. What was this all about….

      • Betances or Familia or Ali Sanchez or Corey Oswalt. Salary dumps or second class prospects.

      • Like all of Bloom’s deals so far but he is simply following orders from John ” i’m so cheap I look OVER the top of my glasses to keep em from wearing out” Henry !!!

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        • The RS might be #2 in payroll this year, but continue with the ‘Henry is cheap’ idiocy.

  41. Are the Royals a WC contender now? This is a great move for them. BTW, what is NY giving up?

      • Implying that Yankees win the East and Minnesota doesn’t win the Central?

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  43. Boston better be getting something nice from the NYM. Khalil Lee is a much much better prospect than Franchy Cordero. Cordero is an all-or-nothing swinger who doesn’t hit very many dingers for all his monster power, and is a poor defender who plays corner OF. Lee is a young (and very small and fast) on-base machine who’s a great defender. He’s a fantastic get for a very CF-needy team in the Mets.

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    • Lee has a massive hole in his swing and is actually too patient early in counts. Could end up being really good but just as likely a 4th outfielder.

    • No September call up on 2019 and no major league action in 2020 tells you all you need to know. This does not surprise me at all.

  46. Are they extending him? I don’t see them winning anything in the next 2 years.

    • Definitely possible, but especially if we still have expanded playoffs we could actually contend this year.

  47. Cohen made a huge maneuver. Sox sold low. Royals shouldnt have had to give that much given the Sox were selling low.

    • It’s all about money… The RS are doing an old style salary dump here

    • Not really that much and Benintendi is miles away better than any alternative we might have run out in LF this season.

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      • new players in the deal now, but giving up Lee+ for him when it should be a buy low? I dunno. (that said, I mistook Franchy for Oliveras, so its not as much an overpay now imo)

      • I disagree. Cheap guys will end up on the market one way or another

    • DarkSide83011 hours ago
      Cohen made a huge maneuver. Sox sold low. Royals shouldnt have had to give that much given the Sox were selling low.
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      I’m not sure how the RS sold low, but KC gave up too much.

  48. I’m totally fine with Lee and Cordero for Benitendi. The fact that Lee hasn’t gotten a call up has made me suspicious for awhile that management didn’t think he was gonna be a big player.

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    • I agree, have no issues giving up on Lee. Nick Heath is 5 years older but is the same player with better production. Benintendi will enjoy the change of scenery.

      We all are waiting for the Erick Pena unleashing in a couple years. He is going to be a stud.

  49. Lee the Royals #8 prospect according to MLB.com, who gave him a 50 grade

    Winckowski the Mets #26 prospect according to MLB.com, who gave him a 40 grade

    • Yeah mlb.com sucks for prospects though. Lee a 45 at most, not even 45+

      • Lee is pretty well regarded, no? Only 8th given the Royals have some serious arms.

        • Fangraphs has him as a 45 late last season. #8 Royals prospect, sure, the Royals have some quality but there are a lot of holes with Lee at the plate. Still could be a quality guy, but he’s probably in the 150-175 range for prospects.

  50. This seems like a meh return for Boston so far. Hopefully for their sake, they get a bit more.

  52. Something isn’t adding up. We didn’t give up much (so far) for a prospect that would be like 5-6 for us.

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    • The Mets have 5 50 grade prospects, Lee would make it 6. He’s in their top 4-9 prospects now, depending on how you view him compared to the other 50 grades. Those don’t come cheap and I think someone big from the Mets MLB roster is going to either KC or BOS.

      • No player from Mets MLB roster is going. Multiple beat reporter have said it. That’s why I was confused.

      • Or there’s a valuation disconnect between MLB.com’s trash ratings outside of the top 100 and what GM’s think…..

        Kinda like when people blew up on the Rays for trading Nick Solak for Pete Fairbanks. Fairbanks has been pretty valuable for TB.

        If you’re a GM and you think Lee doesn’t ever hit—then what are you trading? A 4th OF type w/ bench speed. There’s serious holes in Lee’s swing. He has a major league floor bc of the defense and speed but there’s a strong chance he’s no more than Keon Broxton.

  53. Sox gonna do OK here. Report that five guys (including one PTBNL) going their way. Benitendi wasn’t worth that much.

  54. Mets are sending a PTBNL along with Winckowski, not Lee. The Mets are acquiring Lee.

  55. This seems like complete trash for the Red Sox unless the PTBNL is someone big. Also don’t understand how the Mets give up a bottom top 30 guy and get a much better prospect from a much better farm system?

    • They prob are sending money. I hope that is it w. a meh PTBNL, as moving JD or similar would be bad.

  57. I’m fine with this as a Mets fan, but what a weird trade.

  58. Market Mariners should have gotten him. They need a lefty bat and a fill in for the OF until the studs come up. Could have traded him for more if he turned it around by the deadline or kept him if injuries came about.

  59. Lee is apparently a bit of a project as a hitter (at least based on the scouting reports I’ve read) but he’s still a great get for the Mets given how embarrassing their prospect depth is at AAA and AA. The Matz deal looks even better for them now.

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    • Lee’s floor is fourth outfielder. Speed and defensive versatility basically insure he’ll make a living playing baseball. He’s gotta be more aggressive early in counts, takes a lot of early strikes and gets himself behind in the count. Lots and lots of swing and miss. If he adjusts his approach at the plate he’s got power potential to be an above average major league outfielder.

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    • that they got Lee+ effectively for Matz makes that deal even more absurd.

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      • Lets wait to see the whole deal, but yes. Fire Atkins and his obsession with overpaying for average swingmen.

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  60. I always thought you GO AFTER a 26yo solid defender who can easily go 275/320/375 over the last three years of his team control. Benny deserves another chance to prove himself.

    Bad trade.

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    • swanhenge11 hours ago
      I always thought you GO AFTER a 26yo solid defender who can easily go 275/320/375 over the last three years of his team control.
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      1-It is only two years of control.

      2-When did .275/.320/.375 become something good?

      • A .700 OPS for a corner outfielder is absolutely terrible. For a CF w/ great defense it’s still nothing to marvel at. Not sure Benny is going to provide great defense either.

      • It’s right in line for $6m/yr. And if JBJ put up that slash, he’d have already signed for 3/50.

        • Not quite. That’s the same OPS that Matt Joyce has averaged over the last three years and he had to settle for a minor league deal. JBJ is also a center fielder, and a good one at that. Benny is not

  61. I’m just registering my displeasure with a trade that hasn’t been officially announced concerning players we don’t know about yet. How dare these teams agree to such a deal! It’s garbage!

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    • That’s a RS ‘fan’ specialty. I can’t tell you how often I’ve heard RS ‘fans’ criticizing trades involving a PTBNL. Same with low-level Asian signings. Whether it is a signing, or passing on someone, some of these ‘fans’ will be critical, despite the fact they had never heard of the guy before.

      • Maybe somehow some way the Royals or Mets can acquire that little spark plug Brock Holt and he’ll be a PTBNL. Then it’s playoffs here we come!

  62. From the original post: “There’s no doubting Benintendi’s talent.”
    I disagree. There has been a large disconnect between Benintendi’s. perceived talent (MLB’s #1 prospect four years ago) and his performance. This trade happened BECAUSE there is a doubt about Benintendi’s talent.

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    • that would be like saying the Cubs dealt Torres because they doubted him. they dealt him because they believed he being around at some point in the near future didnt outweigh the benefit provided by winning a WS. if the Sox got, say, Lacy and Singer for Beni (not gonna happen, obviously) they could still have great faith in him and make the move.

      • That’s a pretty terrible analogy. Torres hadn’t even played in the majors yet and was traded as a win now move. Beni has been around for multiple years and was traded for meh return on a team that absolutely could have run him out there, had they believed he was going to rebound, if for no other reason than to get more when they trade him later.

  64. There are indeed “moving pieces” to the deal. I just had a movement waiting for the details.

  65. Franchy is giving me Wily Mo Pena feelings. That’s… not good.

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    • Franchy is an analytical dream and a coach’s nightmare. hits the ball hard and runs hard but those numbers dont translate and he cant stay healthy regardless.

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      • Dark side what doesn’t translate? He hasn’t had enough major league at bats to say anything about him. He’s been league average at the plate over 400 abs spaced across 4 seasons.

        That tells you exactly nothing about Franchy other than he hasn’t had consistent opportunities and he’s dealt w injuries.

    • I was thinking the same thing. I liked Wily MO though. Fun guy to watch

  66. FIRE I mean FIRE CHAIM BLOOM now!!!! Bought no name $10M pitcher, got Squeaky Kike 0.240 AVG, Japanese retread, garbage pitcher Andriese pleaseeeeee, Rule 5 pick from Yankees, $8M for Adam O saving the Yankees from tax ceiling – take Brian O”Halloran with ya. I saw the garbage they are getting from the Royals – Level A pitcher and a crappy outfielder – what other garbage is DOOM BLOOM going to pick up

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    • You are like all of the Jon Daniels haters in Texas…except for the fact that it took y’all a year to hate Bloom. Be patient my guy; I bet he will win you over in the long haul.

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      • Too many fans want to win now even when that’s not realistic. They can’t stand the good-natured ribbing at work when their team is losing. We probably all remember that dumb kid who stayed home from school the day after his team lost the World Series. Like me in 1974 when the Dodgers lost to the A’s. It was bad enough being the lone kid in my class from disgraced President Nixon’s hometown. Losing the WS in five games was yet another reason to be made fun of. Especially when I bragged all season about my team’s dominance. I was Metsfanb22 in the dreadful era of plaid sports jackets and “Seasons in the Sun.”

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      • Huh – Hunter Renfroe – plssssss- 0.228 AVG, traded Mookie last year: once in a generation player, came in last place behind the Orioles, threw out retread no-name pitchers last year, drafted a 2nd round pick in the first round to go cheap to buy a 3rd rounder for more $, Sale out until mid year, uncertainty with E-ROD and always on the IL Nate Eovaldi. Brought back Martin Perez – ugh.
        The only trade I liked was Embree/Workman to Philly. Bloom is gone cheap, clearing the books of long term commitments because if this year’s trash doesn’t work, then he can bring in new trash next year

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        • Bloom was instructed to trade Betts and got a good return. Red Sox fans would love to have Andrew Friedman and Bloom is cut from a similar mold. He inherited a bit of a mess whether the team’s fans want to admit it or not. Every year is not a year to pursue a championship. Red Sox fans should know that better than anyone. Following a baseball team is all about being patient and having realistic expectations. Bloom will be fine.

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        • Disagree. Red Sox mgmt says they want to compete for playoffs and championships every year. I get it that they are speaking out of both sides of their mouth (Sam Kennedy); however, we have the financial means and assets to dump/trade to maneuver and acquire key assets, It doesn’t mean you go cheap and bring in the trash: 2020 and 2021 (so far) or trade for the sake of trading. They dumped Benny (potential bounce back candidate) for 2 pieces of garbage, 3 PTBNL (garbage – whoever has amounted to anything as the PTBNL) and are paying $2.8M of Benny’s contract.

          What they are doing here is 1. Deliberately not competing by bringing in short term contracts 2. Riding out long term contracts to get them off the payroll all for the sake that Bloom will have his team in 2023.

          This team battles the Orioles this year for the Ultimate Battle of Loser Supremacy.

          Jury still out on Jeter Downs and Connor Wong

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        • Why all the negativity? Is your life really that miserable? The Red Sox are trying to build a championship-caliber roster, which is not something they can realistically have in 2021 and perhaps not in 2022. You’re typical of many fans who want to win now because you think it reflects on you as a person. It doesn’t. There’s more I can say. But judging by your reliance on words like trash, dump, garbage, and loser, I’m guessing you are relatively young and wouldn’t understand. Now finish your homework and go to bed.

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        • Your beloved Brock holy was a ptbnl. Also, money doesn’t buy you playoff berths, especially when your organization has no prospect depth or skill whatsoever. You idiots thought Michael Chavis was an all star after his first month of play

        • They let you on the computer after the 5:30 PM bedtime curfew at the retirement home. You rebel! It is shameful with ALL of your years of infinite knowledge that all you can come up with is your incoherent drivel..

          PS – I never called anyone a loser, but if the name fits, you are more than welcome to wear that badge of honor.

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        • soxshortstop10 hours ago
          Huh – Hunter Renfroe – plssssss- 0.228 AVG,
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          You probably forgot that HRs count, didn’t you?

        • Nope did you forget about his 0.290 OBP (0.289 in 2019 and 0.252 in 2020) and 154 Ks in 2019

        • What all these RS fan are failing to realize is that you can’t buy a good major league team. You need to have homegrown talent and the RS had exactly none of that when Bloom took over. There was nothing in the farm system to use as trade chips or to supplement the big league roster.

          If you believe this RS team is a serious contender w/ just Mookie on it—you’re out of your mind crazy.

          They’d have to sign Mookie for 300 million. Then spend another 100 on other players to supplement the team. The bullpen is atrocious. The rotation is Swiss cheese. At some point you have to face reality. The team had too many flaws.

        • Red Sox mgmt has to say they are competing, but we don’t have to buy it.
          It’s pretty clear 2021 and probably 2022 are tear-down, rebuild seasons
          Bloom is the designated hatchet man. same thing happening with Giants and Farhan Zaidi. Giants mgmt know they can’t say the r-word within earshot of their delusional fanbase so they fake-play at free agency and slash payroll…

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        • True enough. Chances were good that Mookie Betts was not returning to Boston had they kept him through his free agent walk year. That said, the Red Sox had every opportunity to replace his bat this offseason while adding an accomplished CF who bleeds Sox red in George Springer. The former Astro and die-hard Red Sox fan could also have been had for less than half of the dollars that Betts wound up signing in his contract extension with the Dodgers. Shame on the Red Sox for passing on such a great opportunity.

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        • Mookie wanted out not for money so the $300M which was below market WAS NOT why he left. Nobody wants to say it but racism and the long historic internal issue of diversity created his desire to leave. The Dodgers made a fair market value offer and he took it without free agency. Why? It was never about Free Agency in Boston it was about the issues at the top with diversity. Is it a surprise their top 2 black players were moved for below market value? Nope.

          Mookie wanted out because of ownership and the way he and others were treated. What a horrible way to lose a generational player. Pure ignorance. Then the fools hire a black female coach to make up for it and prove they don’t have issues? What a joke. What level of integrity exists in the owners to want a two time cheater back? They hired an unqualified manager for diversity purposes, he gets caught cheating and is suspended for what he did prior to Boston, then his team shuts up so a second nail isn’t put in his coffin so naturally these guys that ran Mookie and Price out of town hire the bum. It’s pathetic. It should be embarrassing to Red Sox fans to have such racially biased group of owners that completely lack integrity hiring a two time cheater.

          Mookie turned down $300M because it was below market value and he absolutely hated the environment created by ownership. He’s happy in LA and we should be happy for him because he was an ideal player as a member of the Red Sox. Classy, charitable, great team mate and one of the best players in the game. What a waste to lose him, especially after all the money he made the Red Sox. At 12 years he still would have been a huge profit maker over his career.

      • Although I never understood the Bloom Bloomers (fanclub) for this guy b4 he ever got a job, it isn’t his job that the BoSox don’t want to spend anything. DD maxed out the black card to win in 2018. They did. Now… the price is being paid off. It is what it is.

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      • Nope… trading for the sake of trading to supposedly restock a farm system that isn’t that bad doesn’t make sense especially with the trash he is getting back for Benny. Red Sox selling low on a bounce-back candidate.

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        • Soxshortstop – OUTSTANDING commentary. Bloom sucks at his new job and it’s becoming clear he didn’t have much say in the decision-making in TB because they’ve been dumping players and still look to be competitive while Bloom has gutted a Championship team that might have struggled while Sale was hurt. The team was in it’s prime and had a bad luck year in 2019.

          The money argument justifying the deals made is pure ignorance. First, the hundreds of millions of profits made by Boston over the last half decade, or decade or even longer should protect the fans from these type of tear downs. The ticket prices certainly suggest a tear down should never happen. The luxury tax is insignificant to owners with deep pockets, especially if they exceed the third threshold and still make huge profits. The Yankees, Dodgers and Red Sox are all in that boat but now ownership has gotten greedy and clearly they offended the generational player that should have finished his career in Boston.

          Firing DD was mistake because DD gets that owners want winning and if they have to dip in their profits a bit to win that should be no problem. Bloom borders on being George Halas-like. Tossing coins around as if they are man-hole covers.

          Just remember, if the Red Sox have six minor league teams with 40 man rosters there are 240 minor league players in their farm system. Only a small percentage of those graduate and the Red Sox are far above the average since JBJ and Bogaerts graduated. That’s what a good farm system produces not a high ranking to brag about. Championships come from improved skills that graduate your farm system or are acquired by using your farm system and finding talent in other organizations or free agency. DD was outstanding at that, Bloom sucks.

          DD trades for Sale and Bloom gives away Mookie and Price. Each one of the alleged super star minor league players he gets in a trade force out someone in the organization. Do we know for sure the new person will be better than the one no longer with the Red Sox? Nope but if a farm system rating says the Red Sox improved by the deal people are supposed to believe it. Remember, the rating services are the same guys who had Swihart at 61 and Mookie at 62 in 2014!! How’d that prediction work out? Wake up they are opinions that often come with politics behind the players being promoted by an agency or team.

          Giving up on Benny, Price and especially losing Betts are all huge mistakes that deserve someone being fired or the ownership selling to more baseball savvy owners for the sake of the fans. Bloom and Cora need to go and a big time GM needs to come in with an intelligent, experienced manager.

          One last point about Benny. OPS+ is a reasonable way to compare players. At 21 Benny had an OPS+ of 118, at 22 it was 103, at 23 it peaked at 123, at 24 (2019) it dropped back to 100 during a season Cora screwed up during spring training and injuries limited the success of the team. We don’t know who suggested to Benny to bulk up and be a HR hitter rather than the great contact hitter he was in college and his first two years but Cora was in charge so he should take the blame just like the way he impacted Sale after Sale had success under Farrell.

          Benny was due for a bounce back at age 25 but COVID hit and he got hurt. Many, many great players had bad 2020 seasons so everyone should be throwing out the results of 2020. Benny could easily be a 120 OPS+ player in 2021. Is Frenchy going to produce those numbers? Renfroe? Heck, we don’t even know for sure Verdugo will. What if his back acts up again? Benny is entering his 26 year old season and was still under team control and making very little money for a Red Sox player (yes it might be a lot for a TB player so Bloom may think differently) and he was a fan favorite, home grown budding star who played league average in 2019 after 3 excellent seasons. Yep, toss him by the curb like Mookie and Price. Makes perfect sense.

          Bloom keeps this up and he’ll have the first pick in the 2022 draft!!! I’m not sure but maybe that is his goal!!!

  67. Seems like a brutal bad deal as of right now, 4 total guts mentioned. Why would KC make this move anyways? Kinda stink out there. Not exactly a great rebuild move

    • I would assume the new ownership doesn’t think it will be as long of a rebuild as others or they aren’t interested in a long rebuild.

      This may be a homer take but they may look at it this way…

      You have a lineup that consist of Carlos Santana, Jorge Soler, Salvador Perez, Whit Merrifield, Hunter Dozier, Adalberto Mondesi(if plays to potential), and now Benintendi to have a solid lineup. You also hope that if he lives up to the hype, you may get Bobby Witt Jr around 2022.

      You have a solid bullpen with a decent amount of options.

      As for starting pitching. You have Brad Keller who has been pretty good, You hope for Mike Minor to return to his 2019 form and eat up innings. Duffy isn’t horrible but might not be in the rotation all year. You have Singer and Bubic who has low 4 eras in their rookie year so you are hoping they improve on that. With all that, you have Lynch and Kowar who should get a chance this year and Asa Lacy possibly next year if he pitches well..

      Like I said, this is a homer take and a lot of what ifs but if the the Royals young pitchers live up to the hype, I think they have a solid enough lineup to be competitive. If they are competing early and near the trade deadline, they still have plenty of ammo especially pitching depth to grab a starter or bat if needed.

      • Bubic might be one of the PTBNL’s going to Boston…just a hunch I have….

        • When are major leaguers included as PTBNL? Do you ever follow trades w/ PTBNL’s? If you paid any attention to how these work 99% of the time it’s a guy off the 40 man roster. It’s likely a list of players that they’ll choose from a couple months into the year. I’m sure Bubic isn’t on it.

        • I have seen a major league that got traded for a player to be named later only to be that player named later. At this point, its probably a fringy AAA/Major League player as roster spots is the name of the game before spring training. So that player to be named later could be a DFA guy.

          If the mets upgrade the bullpen maybe a gsellman from the mets at the end of spring training. You never know.

        • Bubic is not DFA fodder. And yeah, there’s obviously going to be one or two outliers over the course of history but that’s not how these trades work out. Spouting out you think it’s going to be Bubic is just complete nonsense. There’s a .001 chance it’s going to be Bubic.

  73. A 3-team trade featuring Benintendi sound exciting, but I don’t think swapping Cordero for Benintendi will make KC appreciably better nor the BoSox worse in 2021. The left-handed bat for KC will be nice for them, and Boston is suddenly light on lefties, but it’s a fairly minor difference in production for the two teams.

    And the prospects that have been named so far don’t sound like difference makers either. Lee seems like the biggest name, and he doesn’t even project to be an everyday player at this point.

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    • Idk — I think Benintendi is quite a big step up from Cordero. His 2020 was abysmal, but it’s tough to base anything off of 39 ab’s.

      • My assessment may not be the same as others, not so much because I am super down on Benintendi, but because I think Cordero can still tap into his potential and be productive.

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        • That’s fair; I feel it.
          Not to say MiLB stats are everything, but Cordero’s don’t leave tons to be excited about.
          For whatever reason I thought his minor league numbers were a lot stronger. He topped out at 17 homers and 23 steals.
          I remember an article somewhere about him a handful of years ago that raved about how much power and speed he had haha maybe that’s it!

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  74. Not high on Cordero. Winckowski is a solid get. But still more players to come. We don’t know the full return yet.

  75. Interesting that KC parted with Lee. He seemed to be a prototypical Royals player, but a decent move nonetheless.
    I still like Benintendi as a player — maybe he just needs a change of scenery. Although the Royals haven’t made any “huge” splashes, they’ve had a nice offseason.

    • Yeah, they really worked with Lee on the speed aspect of his game with those 53 steals in 2019. Not a bad trade for them, though. Pitching, speed, and some decent bats. A few smart moves and a team can rise quickly in a Central Division. If the young pitchers make a leap, they can be a bit of a surprise.

  76. This post is very confusing when trying to understand the Mets involvement. First, they’re not even mentioned in the title. And one piece says “The Mets are sending a player to be named later in the deal along with Lee,” but Lee is apparently coming to the Mets, so I guess it should say Winckowski instead. Hopefully it can be rewritten when everything becomes final.

  77. “Royals Acquire” is a phrase I haven’t heard in years.

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    • You must’ve added George Brett, Johnny Damon, Bret Saberhagen & flashback Greinke to your Royals franchise in The Show for that to be true.

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      • It’s not out of the question. The Royals have several players the Cardinals would probably like to have. The Royals might have the better starting rotation. We’ll see how Arenado’s shoulder responds.

      • Don’t need all of that to finish ahead of the Cardinals this year. Weak

        • Really? You think the Cards will geniunely be THAT bad? The Royals don’t get near .50p imho.

        • Davro, I know he was hurt, but watching Arenado last year against the Dodgers made me want no part of him. His and Goldschmidt’s contracts could turn into albatrosses rather quickly. They don’t have anyone like Mondesi, Merrifield, and maybe not Soler.

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  81. Assuming the Sox add on higher prospects, not understanding the Royals thinking 2 years of Benintendi will take them very far.

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  82. Salary dump and garbage for Benny – The Sox will receive three players to be named later in the deal, Alex Speier of the Boston Globe tweets. That includes one player from the Mets and a pair from the Royals.

    Bloom gone dumpster diving

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  84. Wonder who the PTBNL are also wonder who long it will be till we know

  85. Have to assume that NYM PTBNL is pretty good or else they fleeced KC

  86. 3 PTBNLs? I have no idea how to even evaluate that…

    I don’t think the Padres ever did this when they had Renfroe and Cordero but hypothetically speaking they would be a really good platoon combo. The Sox probably didn’t acquire them for that purpose though and Cordero/Verdugo/Renfroe is really not that inspiring of an OF.

    • KC PTBNL’s are probably trash. The NYM one is probably around the low 20’s in their system, someone Bloom really likes. If that’s the case, this is a pretty fair trade, albeit a really weird one. Doesn’t seem to do anyone all that much good, especially if the Mets are still hunting a MLB centerfielder.

  87. Why do fans tend to judge trades based on just that one move? Don’t they realize it’s part of a bigger plan?

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  88. Interesting. I assumed that Benni would be traded as a prelude to JBJ coming back. Now Codero comes in has the #4 OF.

  89. This… doesn’t make any sense. Are the Royals trying to ensure that the Tigers don’t beat them out for 4th in the division the next 2 years?

    • Are you sure Cleveland’s roster is better than Kansas City’s?

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        • Back it up. Both have good young starting pitching, edge to Cleveland. Kansas City has a stronger, more diversified lineup. It would not be stunning if Cleveland got off to a bad start, traded Ramirez, and wound up with 90 losses. After Ramirez, Eddie Rosario is their big threat.

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        • Done.

          Cleveland won 35 games in 2020, which in a 162 game season comes out to 94.5 wins. They traded Lindor who has averaged 6.1 WAR per 162 games for his career. So the Indians probably win 88 games in 2021. The Royals, on the other hand, won 26 games in 2020, which in a 162 game season comes out to 70.2 wins. They added Benintendi who has averaged 2.8 WAR per 162 games for his career. So the Royals probably win 73 games in 2021. It’s tough to predict how the rest of their rosters will shake out but at this point, even after accounting for both trades, the Royals have to make up 15 wins in order to catch the Indians.

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        • You talk about Kansas City having a stronger lineup, yet they scored the same # of runs in 2020 and that was with Lindor largely being a non-factor at the plate. I don’t like Cleveland either for 2021, but they are still head and shoulders above Kansas City.

        • Both have good young starting pitching, edge to Cleveland
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          Cleveland’s ERA was a full run better last year. Losing Carrasco will hurt that, but not come close to making up one full run.

    • Doesn’t make a lot of sense for any of the three teams, to be perfectly honest. Strange trade.

  90. So I’m confused…is Franchy part of the deal or are all (3) players Boston is getting back unknown (PTBNL)? If they do get Franchy, I don’t understand what Bloom is doing. Both Franchy and Renfroe are big power bats but low OBP guys who strike out a ton. Layer in Dalbec on top of that and Boston looks like they are going to lead the league in strikeouts this year if Renfroe, Cordero & Dalbec are everyday players. Something seems off with this deal. Either the Sox are going to get another OF from somewhere or they are going to move someone from the IF to the OF full time. Still, this doesn’t seem like part of a strategy at all, especially with Boston paying 1/2 of Benny’s salary. That doesn’t free up enough money to make a big move, so I’m thoroughly confused.

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    • The real fun fact about acquiring power hitters is that the league is taking the juice out of the ball so the low average, low OBP guys with power will suck even worse in 2021.

      • Any hitter moving to Fenway is likely to improve. Regardless of what they do to the ball.

    • Dorothy_Mantooth10 hours ago
      If they do get Franchy, I don’t understand what Bloom is doing. Both Franchy and Renfroe are big power bats but low OBP guys who strike out a ton.
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      My assumption here is that the RS are intent on acquiring a true CF, and that Franchy becomes the #4, I’d be very surprised if Franchy is our starting CF.

  91. So let’s remember PTBNLs can’t currently be on the 40-man rosters. So Bloom got 3 at least semi prospects, a 4th OF with some pop, and a minor league pitcher who looks to be effective with a Low K rate.

    Doesn’t look to be too bad. Bene for whatever reason never seemed to be a part of “the plan”.

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    • bobtillman, It’s interesting to me that this trade happened on the day Billy Conigliaro died. The two are similar in that they looked like the real deal when they first came up. Billy was done in Boston at 23 and out of MLB two years later. Who knows what will happen with Benintendi, but players often don’t pan out as we hoped. It’s a difficult game to excel at. The lifestyle with all that travel is awful. Hardly anyone makes the Hall of Fame.

      • What do you mean? Every young player only ever improves. The commenters on this site told me so.

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        • Ha. That’s why we always must evaluate trades immediately, even before all the PTBNLs are announced. What good is a trade without a “who-won-the-trade=poll” three hours later?

  92. say what you want but the Royals did well. Cordero sucks. Lee was never going to amount to much. They have a pretty good lineup. Young studs getting close to major leagues. And of the Sox Mets and Royals who was the most recent to win the WS? That’s right the Royals. Mets are getting close also but the Sox look like they will fight it out with the Orioles for last place to me.

    • What? Red Sox won the WS in 2018 knucklehead. I’m going to say this once and only once – Stay off the drugs!

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      • Forgot about 2018. Must not of been a very good series. Can’t even remember who they played. Anyway the Sox look like a very poor team. Not in the same league with NY Tampa and Toronto.

    • I think the Royals have made some decent moves this offseason and could be pretty good this year (with a lot depending on their young pitchers).

      But implying that the Royals 2015 World Series win is some indication of their winning culture is a stretch. The Royals have only made the playoffs twice this century (2000-2020) while having 12 seasons with 90+ losses during that span, including back-to-back 100+ loss seasons in 2018-2019.

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  94. So Bloom has obtained 2 OFers who may or may not have value without the Super Ball, considering their K-rates. If the HRs Renfroe and Frenchy hit suddenly becomes fly balls…..tho I admit Renfroe’s defense is underappreciated. He’ll need the “D”; Codero is awful in the field, and Verdugo is passable, and only on a corner..

    But again, we’ve got to see who the PTBN are.

      • Verdugo is more than passable. His UZR/150 in LF last year was higher than Betts was in RF. And his DRS saved in the past two years in LF, is 14 in 295.2 innings. I don’t place to much emphasis on fielding stats, which vary a lot, but these stats are almost impossibly good,

        The only reason I mention it is because I think this is the ultimate reason that we traded Benni-to put Verdugo back in LF.

  95. This guy Bloom is truly horrible. No wonder Tampa got rid of this idiot. The deals this guy has done are truly pathetic

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    • Yeah, I take back my defense of him. Now that the terms are Final…. this is a HORRIBLE trade for BOS. Basically just gave Benny to KC for nothing and kicked in cash to sweeten it. However if you’re the Royals — this is a great trade.

      • i too was in Bloom’s corner until this went down, but this is absurd. salery dump very good player you coulf have just non tendered and effectively trade Khalil lee for some random SP no one’s heard of. a joke to be sure.

  96. Renfroe in LF, Cordero in CF, and Verdugo in RF looks like it could be the Outfield alignment.

    • I would say Renfroe – RF, Verdugo – CF, Cordero – LF unless they bring up Durran. Durran – CF, Verdugo- RF, Renfroe -LF.

      …but who really knows what the thought process is with these front office goofballs

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      • The NL West migrated to the Sox. Padres/Dodgers outfield 2018/19

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      • If your choices are Verdugo or Cordero in CF you definitely want Verdugo, he’s a much better overall defender.

        Franchy is really fast, but his routes are sketchy and even though he’s 26 he hasn’t logged a bunch of game innings in the OF because he was converted from SS in the minors. I think he started playing OF like 5 years ago and he’s been hurt most of that time. He’s athletic enough to do it, but also you’re going to get bonehead plays like the time he misjudged a ball and broke up Tyson Ross’ potential no hitter.

      • I would like to take a shot with Duran out of the gate, and they might, but they can sign Pillar for one year at cf until Duran is ready.

        Cordero and Renfroe match up nicely as a platoon.

        No JBJ….

  97. DOOM Bloom should have traded JBJ while he was hot last year and could have gotten some of his farm restocking tools, but for some reason…..he didn’t. Sigh!!! Now look what he has….a new garbage OF from KC, low A pitcher, and 3 PTBNL (which means more trash). Happy dumpster diving day Chaim DOOM

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        • Not at four years, but he was worth trading last summer. Either we asked for the moon or given last summer’s situation they didn’t feel compelled to trade – PR.

        • bosoxinjection.com/2020/09/01/red-sox-exploring-ja…

          Contrary to your comment:

          According to Bradford’s report, there was interest around the league so they could have gotten something for him. Instead, they held on to him and might lose him for nothing after the season.

          I’ll take this reporting…honestly where do you guys come from….are you following the Sox or just make this stuff up

        • As soxshortstop pointed out, there was interest. I doubt they would have gotten any top 100 prospects but literally anything would have been better than the nothing they ended up getting for him.

        • soxshortstop2 hours ago
          bosoxinjection.com/2020/09/01/red-sox-exploring-ja…
          where do you guys come from….are you following the Sox or just make this stuff up
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          They are not only NOT RS fans, it doesn’t sound to me like they are even BB fans.

          90% of MLB players have value, maybe more. It all depends on how much salary you want to eat. And JBJ’s full year bWAR projects to 5.67.

          The idea that the RS could move Pillar for Wallace, but couldn’t move JBJ, is beyond laughable. I assume that the reason Bloom didn’t want to trade him was because he wanted to make an off-season offer, but no one knows for sure.

          But, if history has taught us anything, we know that Workman, Hembree, Pillar, Moreland, and Osich are moveable. And JBJ is a lot better than them.

        • @JoeBrady nice try. Trading JBJ wouldn’t have stopped Bloom from making him an offseason offer.

        • No, but it might’ve made it more uncomfortable for JBJ to return. This was the issue in 2014 with Koji. He’d have commended a king’s ransom, but the RS wanted to extend him, so they kept him.

        • @JoeBrady Do you have any actual evidence that trading a player makes it more uncomfortable for him to return? Or is it just something you like to say? I mean the Red Sox aren’t exactly having an easy time signing him this offseason even with not trading him. And JBJ has been pretty explicit about what it is he wants. Do you really think that, if the Red Sox trade him and then offer him that, he refuses to sign?

      • Bloom literally could not get a lotto ticket and a bag of sun flower seeds for JBJ last year. There is a reason he is still a free agent and it’s not because everyone wants him

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        • If people looked at other teams’ rosters and considered Boras’ apparent demands, they would see this. Bradley is not good enough to start for a contender and too old and costly to make sense for a rebuilding team. The legs will go eventually and when they do, he won’t be worthy of a roster spot at any price. Teams don’t make these kinds of signings anymore.

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        • See above…actually I’ll post it here.

          Contrary to your comment:

          According to Bradford’s report, there was interest around the league so they could have gotten something for him. Instead, they held on to him and might lose him for nothing after the season.

          I’ll take this reporting…honestly where do you guys come from….are you following the Sox or just make this stuff up

        • Rsox
          There is a reason he is still a free agent
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          The reason is that Boras is hinting at a 4-5 year contract, while the market is probably looking at a 2 year contract.

  98. Bloom underwhelms again! Those PTBNL’s better not be terrible cuz right now this is a boston give away! They really wanted to trade benintendi! A fine trade for KC!

      • you’d have to be on something to bet Francy outhitting anyone.

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      • You have a bet! We get to the dog days and we’d be lucky if he hit his weight! Why do you like em?

  99. Bloom is just destroying the Red Sox and picking up garbage!!! Who is going to play Centerfield this year? Who are the 4th and 5th starters and who is going to close and who are the relief pitchers. Bloom underwhelming again

    • You know the answers to all of that. You are just here to criticize.

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  103. Glad we traded him. He was tapering off the last few years.

    I’m not sure about Bloom though… I didn’t care for Benintendi but what was Bloom thinking here?

  104. Horrible deal for KC. Lee could end up being the best player in the deal. Also feel like Cordero probably outperforms Benny

  106. Another Bloom Blunder. Is he trying to destroy that team?