The Rockies and infielder Ryan McMahon have agreed to terms on a six-year contract extension that will guarantee McMahon $70MM, tweets ESPN’s Jeff Passan. McMahon is represented by Wasserman.
Mark Feinsand of MLB.com reports the specific financial breakdown (on Twitter). McMahon will make $5MM this year, $9MM in 2023, successive $12MM salaries in 2024-25 and $16MM in each of 2026 and 2027. Should he finish in the top five in MVP voting in any of the next three years, he’d earn the right to opt out of the contract after the 2025 campaign. If he finishes in the top five in MVP voting in 2025, he’d have an opt-out possibility after 2026.
Prior to hammering out this new six-year pact, McMahon was arbitration-eligible for the second time in his career and projected by MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz to earn $5.5MM this coming season. The contract buys out his final two arbitration seasons and four would-be free-agent seasons. There’s no way of knowing exactly what McMahon would’ve earned in 2022-23 via arbitration, but using that projection and a rough estimate for the 2023 season, the contract is paying McMahon around $13-14MM per free-agent season. The terms fall roughly in line with some older deals we’ve seen for infielders with four-plus years of service time, including Brandon Belt (six years, $79MM) and Brandon Crawford (six years, $75MM — also negotiated by Wasserman).
McMahon, 27, had a the best season of his career both at the plate and with the glove in 2021. The former second-round pick batted .254/.331/.449 with 23 home runs, 32 doubles, a triple and six stolen bases (in eight attempts). Park-adjusted metrics like wRC+ (95) and OPS+ (98) both felt McMahon’s overall contributions with the bat were a bit south of league-average, but given the strength of his glovework, he still proved plenty valuable.
McMahon not only provided the Rockies with versatility, logging 368 innings at second base and 842 innings at third base — he did so while playing both positions at award-worthy levels. McMahon logged a whopping nine Defensive Runs Saved in just that tiny 368-inning sample at second base, and he racked up 13 DRS at the hot corner despite not playing a full slate of games there. Virtually any metric one might prefer agreed that McMahon was outstanding with the leather; he registered Ultimate Zone Ratings of 6.1 and 2.9 at third base and second base, respectively, while Statcast credited him for 10 outs above average at third base and another two at second.
It’s easy to imagine that with a full season of games at the hot corner in 2021 — Brendan Rodgers is expected to man second base, with free-agent signee Jose Iglesias taking the reins at shortstop and Kris Bryant playing primarily left field — McMahon might find himself taking home some hardware for that defensive excellence. He was a Gold Glove finalist in 2021 as it is, although the man standing in his way is a very familiar face: longtime teammate and five-time Platinum Glover Nolan Arenado, now with the Cardinals.
Like any long-term deal, the signing isn’t without its risks for the Rockies. While McMahon’s strong defense and solid walk rate (9.9% in 2021; 10% in his career) give him a high floor, the offensive gains made in 2021 will need to be sustained for the deal to pan out in Colorado’s favor.
McMahon buoyed his production by finally curtailing some pronounced strikeout issues that had dogged him throughout his MLB tenure. From 2017-20, McMahon whiffed in 30.8% of his plate appearances — including a career-worst 34.2% in 2020’s shortened slate of games. That rate fell to a much more manageable 24.7% in 2021. McMahon has always had power and a knack for making hard contact, so as long as he can keep the punchouts down, there’s good reason to believe he can continue to be a reasonably productive bat — at least against right-handed pitching. The lefty-swinging McMahon slashed just .229/.312/.353 against southpaws in 2021 (173 plate appearances) and is a career .239/.310/.433) hitter against same-handed opponents.
The Rockies underwent a front office shuffle early in the 2021 season, dismissing longtime general manager Jeff Bridich and elevating scouting director Bill Schmidt to the GM post on an interim basis. Rather than perform a search and look for external candidates, owner Dick Monfort instead dropped the “interim” tag from Schmidt’s title before the season even ended.
Schmidt, who’s been running the Rockies’ scouting department since 1999, quickly went to work ensuring that several members of the Colorado roster would remain in place. Trevor Story had seemingly made up his mind to move on before the year ended, and the Rox were unable to sway righty Jon Gray in extension talks. However, they’ve also succeeded in brokering long-term deals for Antonio Senzatela (five years, $55MM), catcher Elias Diaz (three years, $14MM) and now McMahon — in addition to re-signing first baseman C.J. Cron before he even reached the market (two years, $14.5MM). That group now joins the team’s marquee addition, Bryant, among a restructured Rockies core.
Congrats to McMahon. That is truly life changing money to do something he loves.
And he’s a good player. Should work out well for the Rockies.
Wow. What are the Rockies doing? Traded Arenado. Held onto Jon Gray at the trade deadline then let him go with no compensation via free agency. Irratated Story enough he wanted out as well but at least they’ll get a draft pick for him. Now it’s sign Bryant and extend McMahon?
This is actually the most logical move of the four. To be honest if they had flipped Gray and Story for prospects they might actually look like they have some semblance of a plan.
Did you even see the lack of quality prospects being moved at the deadline? What did the Rockies really miss out on by not trading Story and Gray? A couple of guys around 25-30 in a fairly weak system? Big prospects were not changing hands for rental players. The days of getting a prospect like Zack Wheeler for two months of Carlos Beltran are over.
Yeah lottery tickets sometimes pay off, and in hindsight getting one for Gray would have been better. But the Rockies truly thought they could re-sign Gray and figured getting a head start on the process would work. It worked with Cron.
And the compensation player for Story will be at least as promising a prospect as anyone traded at the deadline. For example, the guy the Yanks traded for Rizzo. All in all, it could have been better, but it was not the franchise ruining moment that everyone seems to make it out to be.
hiflew3 hours ago
Did you even see the lack of quality prospects being moved at the deadline?
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There was plenty of talent moved last trading deadline. I’ve posted before that it a great market for selling the vets. Among the guys moved were Crow-Armstrong, Austin Martin, Richardson, Gray, Ruiz, Madrigal, Alcantara, and a bunch of #100-200 types.
Whatever their reason, the Rockies missed out on a goldmine.
@JoeBrady;
OK – some supposed good prospects were moved. But here’s the thing…..
Can you tell me prospects that have been moved at the deadline the past 3-4 years that have panned out for teams? Sure, you trade a Max or Trea Turner, that’s one thing – but it’s hardly common.
I know there has to be some. But from teams I follow closely it seems that at most over the past 5-7 years prospects that they got at the deadline have never amounted to much, even when given playing time for extended periods. Consequently I view the trade deadline as nothing more than a salary dump by teams that know they’re losing the player, will not offer them a QO (usually for fear they’ll take it), and know that whether they keep the player or not their attendance is not going to increase one way or the other as their season is lost. So they save on the remaining salary.
Crow-Armstrong was injured AND the Cubs included cash and Trevor Williams to get him.
Martin and Richardson were traded for Berrios who was not a rental player, so they are meaningless.
Gray and Ruiz were traded for Scherzer AND Turner. And Turner was also not a rental player.
Madrigal was not a prospect, he was an injured player, And even so he was traded for Kimbrel, also NOT a rental player.
Alcantara? A gold mine? He was an 18 year old in the Arizona League. He is the very definition of a lottery ticket.
Can you tell me prospects that have been moved at the deadline the past 3-4 years that have panned out for teams?
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2017-O’Neill, Kaprellian, Teoscar Hernandez, Treinen, Cease, Eloy, Cooper
2016-Gleyber Torres, Luis Castillo, Felipe Vazquez, Frankie Montas,
2015-Pivetta, Josh Hader, Zach Davies,
Some of your points are correct. It all depends on the value of the player. A $20M 3 WAR player won’t get you much beyond payroll relief. But guys like Story & Gray had plenty of value.
Just looking at Story. The closest trade comp for Story was Baez-almost identical. Baez fetched the #19 pick of 2020. The Rox comp pick won’t be nearly that high.
@ JoeBrady;
Thanks.
Yes, the caliber of the player being moved dictates the return.
I’ve not understood what the Rockies have been doing for decades now. Monfort – the owner – has been there 24 years. He often lets his FO stay for extended time periods even though the team seems to have no direction. Part of it’s the way Coors Field plays – far differently than any other MLB park in America (Denver has teams in pro football, basketball, and hockey – but the altitude / thin air doesn’t affect them). It’s sort of amazing that the Rockies franchise has been in existence for almost 30 years, yet the Baseball Ops people haven’t figured out a way constructing a team to play half their games in that park, and the other half around assorted parks. They just lunge from one thing to the other. Add that they’re in a division with 2 large market / excellently run teams, and another that throws big money at players trying to win.
I have no idea what they were offered for Story and Gray at the deadline. I think the people running the organization are snowed under with the circumstances they find themselves in.
I get a little annoyed when I hear the excuses. I heard it from Detroit fans over the years when they failed to capitalize on Fulmer and Boyd’s trade value. They said they never got a decent offer.
My response is always that everyone moves. Everyone gets an offer. To me, sitting on your hands is not an acceptable excuse. If you think you are going to extend a guy, maybe, but if they hadn’t extended Story or Gray by the end of July, it was never going to happen. Even Story seemed shocked that he wasn’t traded.
Crow-Armstrong is not a top 100 prospect. Neither is Richardson, Gray, Ruiz, Madrigal (he was no longer a prospect at all) or Alcantara.
Of the guys you listed only Austin Martin is a top 100 prospect and he was traded for a guy with a full year of team control beyond 2021, not one that would be a FA at the end of the season and could not get a QO if traded. That makes your argument an apples vs oranges situation.
100-200 means they are meh prospects that are fringe major league players if they make it. These are not the guys expected to make an impact.
What the Rockies missed out on was a fringe prospect because that is all that was given up for guys that were 2 month rentals.
Pads Fans
Crow-Armstrong is not a top 100 prospect. Neither is Richardson, Gray, Ruiz, Madrigal (he was no longer a prospect at all) or Alcantara.
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Ruiz is ranked #11 by BA
Gray #68
Richardson was #69
Crow-Armstrong is probably too soon to rank but was the #19 pick
Madrigal was ranked 40, but still has 5 years left.
@hiflew I’ll give you Story but they lost Gray for nothing after the season. A literal used jock strap would have been better than that.
And “getting a head start on the process” plus a quarter is worth 25 cents. Gray was always going to leave.
@Pads Fans No amount of your spin doctoring will convince anyone that that fringe prospect held less value than the nothing the Rockies ended up getting for Jon Gray.
6/$70 for a utility guy? Rckies fans can correct me on whether or not he’s basically a utiliy infielder, but that’s how I’ve seen him.
SDHotDawg
6/$70 for a utility guy?
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He had 596 PAs last year. He’s a regular.
You can actually look these stats up, and not have to ask people.
He played all 4 infield positions last season and the season before. He is a utility player. You can actually look these stats up.
Is Chris Taylor merely a utility player Or is he a player that gets every position and every day
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with not committing to a tear down but the Rockies issue is that they don’t sell off assets.
When you’re 25 games out of the playoff hunt there’s no reason to hang onto guys who are pending FA’s & lose them for little to nothing. Trading story last season probably gets you a T-100 prospect instead of a draft pick. Jon Gray brings you back something with more value than absolutely nothing.
You make those moves & then locking guys like McMahon up is a perfectly good move because you have other assets to use. But when you don’t do that—you wind up with this 75-80 win roster & a weak farm to join the team or to use to make additions.
Exactly. I guess Kike Hernandez is a “utility player” too.
To me, utility guys are bench players that see time at multiple positions and get in the range of 250 or so PA’s. Guys like Wilmer Difo or Hanser Alberto. Have some positional versatility, but just don’t hit enough to be regulars anywhere.
Definition of a utility player.
Yes. Chris Taylor is a utility player. He plays multiple positions. That is the definition of a utility player.
Great defense at multiple positions and a 98 OPS+. That was the best offensive numbers of his career.
Last season was mostly at 3B, but you have to hit much better than that to be a 3B with any value.
Not sure I understand this signing.
His glove plays above average at multiple positions and while his bat is average the contract isn’t stupid money it’s literally a hair over $11 million a year. What’s the problem? I could see if they gave him $20 million a year but come on.
You make a valid point, but he was under team control for 3 more years. They bought out his arb years for $26M. They’re paying $44M for 3 FA seasons.
I said this before, that the Rockies know him better than anyone, but I see that as an overpay. Not a huge one, but that and the 6 year length makes me think it’s not a great deal, unless he does really break out over the next few seasons.
*rockies trade McMahon at the deadline*
Beat me to it lol.
Rockies trade McMahon and Bryant at Deadline.. sign another meaningless high profile free agent next season lol
Oop. Colorado is a very interesting organization
Career .755 OPS and plays half his game at Coors. Rockies are idiots.
4war last year. Not a bad deal at all
If WAR is all you look at, sure. Hes an average hitter in his best years
He’s not even that. 88 OPS+ last year.
You got that wrong. The 88 OPS+ is for his career. It was 98 last season, which is better than the 95 wRC+, that Fangraphs has. Not sure why they felt they needed to lock up a below MLB average hitter.
Because he may be the single best non-SS infield defender in the game.
It’s almost like there are more facets to the game than simply hitting and WAR factors those in.
Bottom line is that if he puts up 2 WAR per year, the Rockies get their money’s worth. He put up 4 last year.
A great glove and average bat is still a valuable player.
How do you even apply league averages to a utility player? Wouldn’t this be based on the assumption that all SS, 3B, and 2B players have about the same average offensive numbers?
Still though… less ridiculous than WAR.
League average is position neutral. An OPS+ or wRC+ of 100 is the average for all players in the league.
So take every MLB hitter and McMahon was smack dab in the middle last year. While getting nearly 600 at bats and bringing a good glove to multiple positions.
Generally guys of his profile will be average to below average. Your bigger sluggers in the corners will be higher.
98 OPS+ last season. 88 career.
That’s a weakness for FG. They don’t do a good job o segregating by position. If you want to see how the Rox, for example, stack up against the rest of the league at 2B, it shows the Rox with 1,555 PAs at 2nd. Anyone that qualifies for the position will fall into that bucket. Mcmhon’s 596 PAs are included in CO’s results for both 2nd & 3rd.
I have a hard time buying him as the best non-ss IF defender. You can’t go by a single year with defensive stats
“A great glove and average bat is still a valuable player.”
I couldn’t agree more. But, was it necessary to make a 6 year commitment? The Rockies know him better than I do, so they must think he’ll be worth $16M per for the last 2 years. But to me, he’s not quite an average bat, and I’m not sure about that commitment in the length of the deal.
In a sense, the Rockies actually do what a lot of fans want to see their teams do.
They try to hang onto their homegrown players. Ownership believes their fans want to root for players as opposed to laundry. It strikes me as kind of honorable.
They do things pretty much the *opposite* of the Ray’s. Yet, instead of playing in an empty stadium the Rockies draw very well. So – in a (financial) sense – it is actually working. Rather well too.
Unfortunately, the on-field results are quite frequently rugged. It would be better for baseball in general if their model worked.
Alas. It does not.
Their model **could** work if they tweaked it a little bit.
Trade that pending FA when you’re 25 games out and get some assets back. Doesn’t mean you have to tank. Go sign the guy back in free agency or bring in KB (like they just did). but please DONT lose Trevor story for the 36th pick in the draft.
Get a higher probability asset. Continue to sign guys—& move some of them if you’re way out of it for future assets.
It’s a lot more than David Fletcher got last year. I’m both length and AAV.
Granted David went in to have a bad year, but their platform year and club control at the time of signing are close enough to compare.
Except one is coming off a 20+ HR season and back to back 20 HR seasons in the last full two years. And one had 10 total HR in 1200 total PAs.
Power pays. Right or wrong. Slap hitting and avoiding strikeouts do not.
Both have solid gloves and versatility but they could not be more different offensively.
The moneyball/Rays strategies seem to favor maximum flexibility when setting a daily lineup that matches up well against opposing pitchers. I don’t know what his splits are like but at the very least he opens up the door for a lot of cheaper platoon players that can give you 300-400 quality ab’s a year. Gonna have to figure out a way to beat the GIants and Dodgers on a smaller budget.
Way to only look at one side of the equation. He was the number one fielder in baseball last year according to the Fielding Bible genius.
Who cares, defensive first guys are a dime a dozen. 88 OPS+ when playing half your games at Coors is terrible.
Hey buddy your comments are filled with errors so before being a keyboard warrior maybe you should check some stats. First, he had a 98 OPS+ last year. Also, your whole ‘while playing half your games at Coors’ shtick means nothing because OPS+ is park adjusted. What it DOESN’T take into account is the Coors hangover effect. Get off the couch and breathe some fresh air
98 OPS + last year. And he’s only 26. He had his best offensive numbers last year, and is a star defensively. It’s a good deal, for both sides.
I like McMahon, but 2B isn’t a premier defensive position. I could see them extending him, but locking him up for 6 years seems unnecessary.
@jrap777 .755 career OPS/88 OPS+. Now shut your trap
Jeebus, please learn a little something about what you’re posting before you haul in your hot take. The “+” in OPS+ means it is already park adjusted. So to say he “only did 98 OPS+ despite playing in Coors Field” is meaningless. The reason why it is that low is BECAUSE of Coors Field. If he had had the same season for the Rays, for example, it would have been well into the mid 120’s.
He mostly plays third, and that will be his exclusive position with Rodgers at 2nd.
@mlb4lyfe
He is in his prime years so he could easily improve. And if you think people that have McMahons defensive prowess are “a dime a dozen” you are sadly mistaken. Your just upset no one agrees with your crappy take. It’s ok I’ve had many as well.
@seamholic Maybe you should learn to take your own advice. I provided both park adjusted and non-adjusted to illustrate my point, which flew over your head.
@dusty baker Upset? I stand by my point. But keep whining if it makes you feel better about it.
OPS+ is park neutral. Playing at Coors actually LOWERS the number. Because his real stats are lowered because of playing at Coors.
No it actually flew over YOUR empty head, as you clearly don’t understand that the “+” in OPS+ indicates that it is a park-adjusted metric.
@seamaholic … No, the “+” means that it’s indexed to a given set of players, with 100 being the mean (average). It has nothing to do with the ballpark. Those “stats” are “weighted” and and are precede by a lower-case “w.”
You can find good fielders easily. His offense just wasn’t there playing at Coors 81 times
Not THAT good — he was one of the best in baseball last year — and certainly not while hitting league average. He’s basically Matt Chapman.
“He’s basically Matt Chapman” lol and i’m the one with the hot takes?
Since you don’t seem to understand how to look this stuff up, here are the links.
baseball-reference.com/players/c/chapmma01.shtml
baseball-reference.com/players/m/mcmahry01.shtml
4.0 WAR 98 OPS+
VS
3.5 WAR 100 OPS+
Its an apt comparison.
Now try their career numbers. 88 OPS+ vs 120 OPS+. Apt my a$$. You know, “since you dont seem to understand.”
MLB4Lyfe is basically what the mute button was invented for.
hiflew muted
Whatever we can agree to disagree. It’s not worth arguing anymore. Your welcome to your opinion brother. All I’m saying is I’ve seen the dude play And i think he is worth the investment and will improve with the bat. I could easily be wrong. Adios.
Matt Chapman had a 127 OPS+ in his age 26 season. I like McMahon as a player, but that comparison is a bit of a reach.
Yeah I’m not comfortable with that comparison could he become like Matt Chapman? Possibly. But Chapman has a greater track record. Hopefully for rockies fans he will continue to be a great defender and bring up his offensive numbers. I believe in him, but, we will see.
@tad2b13 yup, seamholic isnt too bright.
Seamaholic is one of the brightest posters on here, unlike you.
MLB4Lyfe:
I couldn’t disagree more. I have a lot of respect for seamaholic’s balanced takes. We don’t always agree, like on this deal for McMahon, but that’s normal. I have given his posts numerous “thumb’s up”.
this is definitely THE MOST any one group of people has ever argued about Ryan McMahon. I hope he reads this as he counts his money.
@hammering hank maybe you two can get a room somewhere and you can “hammer” away at one another since you’re so fond. dont bother responding, youre muted so i wont see your drivel anymore
Since YOU brought up his 2021 stats, so did we all. Changing the parameters of the discussion shows clearly that you realize you are in the wrong.
he will only get better
The Rockies sign Kris Bryant.
The Rockies, “Hold my bear.”
I mean, this deal probably won’t be terrible, but the fact the Rockies blocked this guy for years just to give him $70 million after one barely above league average season is comical.
Worst front office in baseball by a mile. (No pun intended.)
Has your bear had its shots? I’m not holding it if it hasn’t.
He’s like the one guy they haven’t blocked. Has played regularly since he came up. They traded Arenado so he could get more time (among other reasons). My goodness this site goes overboard on the misinformed bad takes when the Rockies do something.
You would think they were all Trump supporters with all the mis info
Tell me you are an idiot without telling me you are an idiot. Turn off the TV.
liberals are absolute scum
Where are the Rockies getting money from wow
31 year old Nolan Arenado and his massive underwater contract. NOW do folks realize why they dumped that?
They had $199M/6 left on his contract, and they paid StL $52M to take it away. So the real cost to them, had they kept him, was a net of $147M/6. Then they paid Bryant $182M/7. So no, I don’t understand the long-term thinking.
They also are not paying Story or Gray. Arenado + Story + Gray easily equals Bryant’s salary + McMahon’s extension + Iglesias’s cheap deal + Chad Kuhl to take Gray’s rotation spot. The money equalizes.
You might not agree with it, but I don’t see how you cannot understand it.
Arenado never had any intention of trying to win in Colorado. As soon as he signed, he threw the GM under the bus, attacked his teammates, started pouting and whining about the altitude, among other factors. Now he showed up overweight this spring. The guy is a low life. Took the money, torpedoed the relationship, started recruiting other teams to trade for him, got zero quality hits in the playoffs. A class act would have been super rich, smiled, and tried to make the team better. Arenado? Good riddance.
So trading Arenado and kicking in $52M is okay because they also lost Story & Gray?
Or if you are just trying to line up salaries, then how about lining up projected WAR. Per Steamer, Arenado + Story + Gray equals 10 fWAR and The current four equals 5.9.
But none of that matters. Trading Arenado was a bad move. Signing Bryant is likely to be a bad move.
I can’t respond to hiflew bc it looks like he hit me with the mute. But it’s the typical non-rational junk he says. Just says something to disagree with you
How does Story + Gray even enter the equation of what you said? They swapped Arenado for Bryant and paid an inferior player more (net) money.
Because the Rockies FO stinks. It’s stunk ever since O’Dowd left the building. They’re light years behind everyone else in analytics and they let assets walk out the door for free.
I never said it was OK, not did I say it was a good move. But I also believe that the team shouldn’t fold and stop making moves altogether because they made a bad move. So getting Bryant and keeping McMahon is, in my opinion, a lot better than just punting the next few years like Baltimore or Pittsburgh.
Past fWAR means nothing because you are not getting these players three years ago, you are getting them now. No matter how much everyone wants to pretend that these metrics foretell the future. much like a gypsy with a crystal ball…it’s all just a show. These is no predictive qualities in the numbers, just coincidences or smoke and mirrors.
They paid the Cardinals $51 million. $35 million at the end of the 2021 season and the $16 million balance starting in 2027.
Arenado is coming into his age 31 season. He has declined in performance both on offense and defense as all non PED-user players do starting at age 30.
Trading Arenado was the right thing to do.
Why they signed Bryant to a long term deal is beyond me. He is also over 30. Playing LF, his declining defense will not be as noticeable as Arenado’s is, but his offense will go way down before this deal is over.
Great take Seamaholic. In 2021, Rockies got 4 WAR for $2.375 million from a 26 year old player just coming into his peak instead of 4.1 WAR for $35 million from a 30 year old player who has started to decline on offense and defense.
Plus they got 23 above average MLB starts from Gomber (105 ERA+) and 4 prospects including a former top 100 guy in Montero.
This is a head scratcher
Check out the defensive metrics.
Who cares, defense first guys are a dime a dozen. 88 OPS+ is terrible, esp. when yiou play half in Coors. Defense doesnt make up for that weaksauce bat.
Defensive guys on his level are not a dime a dozen. There are players who can field well and then there are players who are masters at their craft. Like him. Don’t downgrade his ability because you’re not happy with how Colorado spends their money.
OPS+ is park-adjusted (like all + stats) so strips out the Coors factor, which means lower numbers for Rockies hitters compared to their actual production.
@BBB … No, “all + stats” are NOT park adjusted. Park effect stats start with “w” for “weighted.” The + stats are “indexed,” which is just a number scale which tells you where a given player (or piece of data) falls among the average of all players in that category, with 100 being the mean.
Please don’t talk about stats if you don’t know what they actually indicate. Please.
Why do some people love to hate?
Good for the Rockies, and good for Ryan McMahon.
Agree with the latter at least.
Well the former was a question. Lol
MLB4Lyfe thinks that defense isn’t deserved money. He’s the best defensive player in mlb and he’s apart of an ELITE group of players which is maybe 15% of the league
The latter half of your statement.
GTFM
OPS+ of 98 last season, a bit below league average, which was his best: not exactly dynamite, considering Coors. The defense is top notch, but…. You can like the guy (he’s a pretty good all around player), but you can’t like him 11M/year’s worth.
BUT the Rox are loaded with money, and he’s fan-appealing.
Yes but he’s also entering his prime and is trending in all the rugby directions.
So does rugby direction mean…rough direction, hard nosed direction… but seriously my autocorrect hates me as much as yours
Oh for goodness sakes … OPS+ IS ALREADY PARK ADJUSTED. So you can’t “consider Coors,” because it’s already been included.
Even his plain OPS is subpar. You cant seem to get that through your thick skull..
Average OPS was .728 last season. For 3B it was .720. McMahon’s was .779. Its sad that you try to throw so much shade without even looking up the stats.
@padres suck for life he plays at coors, so you cant have it both ways. use OPS+ to adjust for park factors and he’s subpar. his OPS for a coors player is subpar. anyway you seem to take this personally, so ill just mute you. dont bother responding, i wont see your crap takes anymore
Says the king of crap takes
YOU said that his OPS was subpar. It wasn’t. AT Coors Field, the OPS average was .731 last season for both home and visiting players. McMahon’s was .779.
You are wrong, again.
PLEASE mute me. Discussions with someone that is wrong as often as you are and as argumentative and insulting as you are is not enjoyable.
Rox smart locking in hitters now. Coming in 1-2 years is targeted SP. I count 9 first or second round picks among their Minors SP candidates.
What’s the over/under on extensions before Opening Day?
Decent signing. IMO, a high floor of maybe 2.0 WAR, with maybe a ceiling of 3.0. I think some folks in here are under-estimating his age, while others have no use for fielding.
Will his ceiling at this point is at least 4 WAR. I honestly think he has the potential to be a 6 WAR player.
That’s an odd ceiling since he already did 4 bWAR last year.
2.5 fWAR. And my thinking is also impacted by the fact that he had 0.9 fWAR in the parts of 4 seasons prior to that. He still has a career fWAR of 3.4 in 1,554 PAs.
Have you noticed that MLB and this site use bWAR exclusively? What does that tell you?
This site doesn’t exclusively use bwar, so I have no idea what you’re talking about. I also highly doubt MLB uses exclusively bwar, teams likely have their own.
Pads Fans
Have you noticed that MLB and this site use bWAR exclusively? What does that tell you?
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I use them interchangeably. I like fWAR slightly better, but bWAR allows more math. Click on a players three previous seasons, and I can tell you total WAR, WAR/season, and WAR/650 in two seconds (on B-R). You just can’t do that on FG.
Doesn’t matter what you use, this site references Baseball-reference.com, not Fangraphs. There is a reason.
Please show me links on this site to Fangraphs. I’ll wait.
@PadsFans …. It tells me that they had to make a choice among one of the three different (and competing) methods of calculating WAR, and bRef won!
LOL!
I agree. This a a good signing. He played a solid 3b and has a good bat. Had some big shoes to fill last year with Arenado being traded and he’ll be more relaxed with a stronger lineup this year.
Nice! He already made $3.5MM in his 5 years so an extra $70MM over the next 6 years. Good for him.
I like this signing. Perhaps they can teach him to lower his strike out rate and with his hard contact rate, he could evolve into a steal.
Nice move for them tbh. Building around Bryant, McMahon.
As a Padres Fan, (Also NL-West)- I can say with certainty that a chill runs down my spine every time this dude is on deck and awaiting his at bat…
People all angry about this deal like he got $300 million over ten. He got about $11.6 million a year which is right on par for his talents. It’s okay for Texas to pay Corey Seager $32 million a year though right? How about the fact that Boston just gave a guy over $20 million a year when away from Coors Field his numbers are well below average. I have zero issue with what the Rockies are doing. They’ve been to the playoffs fairly recently which is more than I can say for a bunch of other teams making big moves. So what if they traded Arenado has anyone actually thought once that maybe Arenado wanted out? They have decent starting pitching but play in a park that works against them what else can they do? They’ve been burned by some signings that didn’t work out that’s the business at least they are still signing guys which is more than can be said of some other teams(Oakland Cincy).
I’m not angry in the least. I don’t like this for the Rockies, but I hope I’m wrong. I love great defensive players, and I like McMahon. Good for him if he breaks out, and the Rockies get a bargain.
I also would like to see the Rockies, like the Orioles, Pirates, etc. get back to relevance.
Seager’s deal isn’t comparable. he was a FA with exceptional hitting numbers. McMahon is still under team control. Story was also a FA, with multiple suitors, so I don’t know what he has to do with it.
I don’t know what the rush was. He had 3 arb seasons remaining. 6 years is a lot for a guy that hasn’t been an average hitter yet. It seems like a gamble to pay 3/$44M for a future FA, on the hope that he becomes what they think he will.
I could be wrong, but, still, it’s a valid question, that I don’t think is out of line.
Jays should have asked about him before Chapman
Why? Not sure what the hype is with him. Seems pretty average at best.