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Juan Soto Talks Between Padres, Nationals Reportedly Gaining Momentum

By Steve Adams | August 2, 2022 at 10:33am CDT

10:33am: There’s growing momentum in talks between the Padres and Nationals, according to Mark Feinsand of MLB.com and Jim Bowden of the Athletic. No deal has yet been finalized, but Jon Heyman of the New York Post hears similarly that there’s “optimism” the Padres can pull off a deal.

7:41am: There is a “growing sense” that the Padres are the likeliest landing spot for not only Soto but also Josh Bell, tweets Barry Svrluga of the Washington Post. There’s some momentum in those talks, he adds. Similarly, the Post’s Jesse Dougherty tweets that the Nationals are beginning to narrow the field.

San Diego, of course, already has Eric Hosmer installed at first base, but they’ve been trying for more than a year to unload the remainder of that contract. Speculatively speaking, if the Nats truly want to maximize the return on Soto (and perhaps Bell), they could be the ones to absorb the remaining three years and $39MM on Hosmer’s contract themselves. The trio of Hosmer, Patrick Corbin and Stephen Strasburg would be a lot of underwater contracts for one team, of course, but the Nats have little else on the payroll in the immediate future.

7:12am: Major League Baseball’s trade deadline is now under 12 hours away, and the Juan Soto trade possibility that has captivated the entire sport and its fanbase remains unresolved. As of yesterday, the Soto auction was generally believed to be a three-team bidding war, with the Padres, Cardinals and Dodgers all reported to be heavily involved. That doesn’t preclude another team (or teams) from jumping in to make a late push, of course; it’d frankly rate as something of a surprise if that didn’t happen, in fact. Teams will miss out on other targets, priorities will pivot, and stances on “off limits” prospects will soften.

Up until this point, a sticking point for the Cardinals has been their unwillingness to include young outfielder Dylan Carlson and their very best prospects, Jon Morosi of MLB.com tweets. The 23-year-old Carlson is known be of interest to the Nats as an immediate outfield plug-in, and as a former first-round pick and top-10 overall prospect (per Baseball America), that’s not surprising — even if he’s been more of a solid regular than a star to this point in his young career. The switch-hitting Carlson is batting .260/.334/.426 dating back to last season, and he’s cut down his strikeout rate considerably this season.

Carlson can be controlled another four years beyond the current season and is capable of handling all three outfield spots. There’s perhaps a sense that given his youth and pedigree, he has another gear that he’s not yet tapped into. Further clouding the Cardinals possibility, Jon Heyman of the New York Post suggests that Washington may not be as high on lefty Matthew Liberatore as others in the industry; The Athletic’s Jim Bowden wrote something similar a couple weeks back.

Turning to the Padres, the health of one of their own top young arms, southpaw MacKenzie Gore, is a potential complication. Gore has been shut down with with an elbow strain. He’s expected to avoid surgery, but the specter of an arm injury for a potential key pitcher in the deal has surely altered the Nats’ valuation. The Padres, meanwhile, are now over the luxury-tax threshold after their stunning addition of Josh Hader yesterday. They’ve reportedly been loath to cross that line for a second consecutive season. However, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale suggests that if it means acquiring both Hader and Soto, the Padres “won’t mind blowing completely past” the tax line.

Over in Los Angeles, the Dodgers have become increasingly optimistic about their chances over the past couple days, per Jack Harris of the L.A. Times. The Dodgers’ perennially deep farm system is rife with top prospects — they have seven of Baseball America’s top 100 farmhands at the moment — and they also possess controllable young big leaguers of potential interest. Both Harris and Heyman suggest infielder Gavin Lux (four more years of team control) and righty Dustin May (nearing return from Tommy John surgery, with three more years of control) as potential targets for Washington.

As of yesterday morning, the Yankees were reported to be a “long shot,” the Rangers weren’t said to be particularly aggressive, and Mariners president Jerry Dipoto had gone on record to suggest his team is unlikely to land Soto. Adding to that list of teams that inquired but seems unlikely to be a serious player, Paul Hoynes of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that the Guardians looked into Soto but talks never gained traction. Washington was interested in top Cleveland pitching prospect Daniel Espino, but health was again a factor in talks, as he’s been out since April due to a knee injury.

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  1. Whopper Head

    8 months ago

    Gonna be an interesting day!

    Reply
    • stymeedone

      8 months ago

      Will the Padres move a ridiculous amount for a young Adam Dunn?

      Reply
      • David Barista

        8 months ago

        Is that an Adam Dunn Juan Soto comp? I’m good on handing out 400mil+, but he’s way better then Adam Dunn

        Reply
      • Goku the All Knowing

        8 months ago

        will the Padres make the playoffs after a laughable amount of moves and money spent?

        Reply
        • 17dizzy

          8 months ago

          Questionable for sure. Too many huge ego’s in one basket.

        • 17dizzy

          8 months ago

          That would be fine if O’Neal’s legs hold up. He’s had to open his hitting stance just to somewhat get his legs into his swing.

    • Francys01

      8 months ago

      Oh man, poor farm system of the Padres. Preller will trade the most promising prospects that they have left. It’s fine with me that Soto can get traded to the Padres.

      Reply
    • 17dizzy

      8 months ago

      The Cardinals Front Office have Officially lost out on all of their main Deadline Trading upgrades!!!! However they have obtained some worthless Low Hanging Fruit as usual!!

      It’s been a frustrating 8 years at the Trading Deadline for the current Cardinal players and their fans!

      Reply
      • gbs42

        8 months ago

        Weird capitalization choices.

        Reply
  2. #1WhiteSoxFan

    8 months ago

    Dark horse White Sox!

    Reply
    • cubs2016

      8 months ago

      Not a chance. And it’s not because I’m a Cubs fan, it’s because their system is horrible and they’re not trading Robert and Cease for Soto

      Reply
      • keysox

        8 months ago

        Thinking more of Giolitto, Moncada, and Pollack

        Reply
        • jjd002

          8 months ago

          And they would get a new GM in Washington if he traded Soto for that trash offer

      • #1WhiteSoxFan

        8 months ago

        Robert was offered for Ohtani.
        Among others.

        Reply
    • keysox

      8 months ago

      Thinking more of Gio, Moncada, and Pollack

      Reply
      • tbonenats

        8 months ago

        Not anywhere close to enough

        Reply
      • rememberthecoop

        8 months ago

        Seriously stop it. That wouldn’t even make Rizzo pick up the phone. They wouldn’t do this, but here’s what it might take: Dylan Cease, and their top prospect whose name escapes me but his first name is Colston I think. Also, add in either Eloy or Robert PLUS more.

        Reply
        • David Barista

          8 months ago

          The Nationals can ask for whatever they want because they can simply hold onto Soto if the price isn’t being met….The urgency to make a move in his free agent season will create a competitive market

        • MikeJ838

          8 months ago

          Montgomery I thinking

        • Luke Nowak

          8 months ago

          Trading cease and Robert alone wouldn’t make sense for the Sox unless it was absolutely guaranteed that Soto would be extended and even then it’s not very good. The point of trading for Soto is to boost your team to a world series winning team and getting rid of a top 5 mlb pitcher and a rising star outfielder for Soto would not improve there team. Cease this year has been just as good as Soto.

        • DragBunt

          8 months ago

          Key term being “this year”.

        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          8 months ago

          Who’s Colston?

  3. Bigpoppapuff_34

    8 months ago

    “Not as high on Liberatore” lol… Good for you Washington, not many are…

    Reply
  4. looney1

    8 months ago

    SoTo which team will Soto end up with?

    Reply
    • David Barista

      8 months ago

      Nationals

      Reply
    • #1WhiteSoxFan

      8 months ago

      Padres

      Reply
  5. JimtheEsquire

    8 months ago

    Not wanting to give up a 23 year old utility outfielder for a 23 year old superstar is beyond my comprehension. I get him PLUS all of our prospects, but it sounds like they won’t even put him in with some of the prospects. I’d rather keep Gorman than Carlson. Walker should be the hold up for the Cardinals, not Carlson.

    Reply
    • Codeeg

      8 months ago

      Apparently you haven’t followed Carlson enough. He’s definitely someone with more ceiling than he’s performed.

      Reply
      • guest678

        8 months ago

        Have you actually watched him? I’ve seen nearly every game and he is what he is. His ceiling is Stephen Piscotty. Nothing wrong with that, but far from untouchable.

        Reply
    • gdunks

      8 months ago

      Agreed, I think I’d rather keep Gorman. You run into the “where will he play” argument but if the long term goal would be to extend Soto and rework Arenado, you can’t keep Goldy and Gorman just moves to 1B. Plus, if Jordan Walker is one of the key pieces of this trade, I’m not sure if the Nats really want to assume a 3B bottleneck themselves in taking Gorman too.

      Reply
      • FrontOfficeStan

        8 months ago

        Gorman is not a long term fixture. He is not going to move to 1B because Walker will be 1B after Goldy. Gorman is getting moved eventually, might just be in the offseason, maybe next year’s trade deadline but he is not the 3B of the future, or 2B, or 1B. Those spots are spoken for unless Mo sends away the farm, which is uncharacteristic of how the Cardinals have handled trade deadlines in over a decade.

        Reply
    • dmarcus15

      8 months ago

      Until Bader comes back Carlson is our CF. Unless you put Edmans there and DeJong at SS.

      Reply
      • Baseball Babe

        8 months ago

        The Nats send Soto AND Robles to the Cardinals.

        Reply
      • guest678

        8 months ago

        You can put O’Neil in center and be just fine.

        Reply
    • CJ81

      8 months ago

      I would much rather have carlson than gorman. A below average defender and a low hit high power bat are both more easily replaceable than a guy that can play all 3 OF spots with decent defense and a higher hit tool. Major league pitchers havent had time to figure out gormans weaknesses at the plate. He could be the next joey gallo but without the defense. And Walker may be one of the best all around bats in the minors. Im not saying dont trade walker or carlson. But id have a hard time trading walker and carlson together plus 3 other top 100 prospects.

      Reply
      • CJ81

        8 months ago

        All that being said, Cardinals have Carlson, Gorman both playing mlb, then Walker who is maybe the best all around bat in the minors, plus 6 other top 100 prospects. Between those 9 players they shouldbe able to find a decent group of 3 to keep while giving the Nats a package that blows the dodgers and padres away.

        Reply
    • meangreandancingmachine

      8 months ago

      Carlson can play CF. Gorman can’t do that. Walker can’t do that. Hell, Soto can’t do that.

      Reply
      • Baseball Babe

        8 months ago

        Carlson has less control. Rizzo should be fired if he trades Soto to the Cardinals without getting Walker as the centerpiece.

        Reply
    • FrontOfficeStan

      8 months ago

      It’s not that Carlson is the hold up, it’s that they want Carlson + Walker + others. Cards don’t want to send Walker with Carlson. It’s an either/or package. Also Carlson has so much higher trade value than Gorman.

      Reply
  6. Lloyd Emerson

    8 months ago

    Jim Bowden actually wrote something that wasn’t just a list of random crap?

    Reply
  7. Beavis was the Smart One

    8 months ago

    Last chance Mets. Alvarez, Baty, Megill, and 2 prospects ranked between 5 and 10

    Reply
    • abc123baseball

      8 months ago

      I think they would need to include at least six prospects in the 5-10 range.

      Reply
    • MichaelSallaFan

      8 months ago

      Nats probably require more to send him intra-division

      Reply
      • thelegendaryharambe

        8 months ago

        Why?

        Reply
    • MichaelSallaFan

      8 months ago

      Nats reportedly want guys closer to majors. SF best talent is in the lower levels. SF looks more like deadline sellers to me.

      Reply
  8. DongMaster

    8 months ago

    Ninja Cashman gonna steal Soto. Andujar plus Florial and a couple low level guys will get it done.

    Reply
    • Roy DeMeo

      8 months ago

      Lol.

      Reply
    • dobsonel

      8 months ago

      It would take more than that. Something like Florial and Schmidt on the 4o man combined with Dominguez, and either Volpe or Peraza mixed with a low level prospect or two. Might even have to throw in someone like German as well if they are wanting an MLB starter thrown in.

      Reply
      • MuleorAstroMule

        8 months ago

        In prospect capital, Florial, German, German, Volpe, and Dominguez combined are worth about 1/4th of Soto. I don’t think the Yankees have the farm to get it done. Although, honestly, it might be safe to say that about any team and it might be impossible for the Nats to get fair value for Soto regardless.

        Reply
        • dobsonel

          8 months ago

          You are most likely correct. The only interesting caveat to all of this is the story that the new owners what his situation dealt with before the sale is finalized. Not sure how much truth there is to those rumors but that could make for an interesting trade.

    • beyou02215

      8 months ago

      I can’t tell if this is sarcastic or serious.

      Reply
    • Ella B

      8 months ago

      Thanks for the laugh. It’s always good to inject a bit of humor into the thread.

      Reply
  9. abc123baseball

    8 months ago

    I’m curious how important it is for Washington to try to get a player who can immediately become a star for them. That’s probably why they want Carlson. Lux is probably the best option but maybe they’re high on Abrams too.

    Assuming Soto is traded, this will probably be the biggest trade of our lifetimes. Giddy-up!

    Reply
    • guest678

      8 months ago

      You are set up to disappointed. When he is traded, your reaction will be “that’s it?”

      Reply
  10. BigFred

    8 months ago

    Dodgers should stand pat and let another team overpay for him.

    Reply
    • Joe says...

      8 months ago

      I would say the Dodgers are the team that could afford the prospect cost and the contract cost. The only question would be how do they set their outfield afterwards.

      Reply
      • BigFred

        8 months ago

        I’d suggest they should focus on signing Trea Turner.

        Reply
    • alanofla

      8 months ago

      The Dodgers cannot trade Lux unless they are absolutely sure that they can resign Trea Turner.

      Reply
      • rememberthecoop

        8 months ago

        They aren’t planning on signing Trea.

        Reply
    • fox471 Dave

      8 months ago

      Agree

      Reply
  11. DM_Nats

    8 months ago

    I don’t get the hold up in Carlson just do Walker, Gorman, Winn, Graceffo, Hence and Burleson I think that gets it done on both sides. My gut tells me Friedman ain’t gunna let him go to the Pads

    Reply
    • cards04

      8 months ago

      That’s what I’m thinking. You don’t necessarily need to include Carlson. Just give them Walker. I don’t understand why people say that we can’t afford to trade him. Yes, he looks good but he’s still only a prospect and the likelihood that he ends up being better than Soto is like a 1% chance. We also have 3b blocked with Arenado. Give them O’Neil as an immediate fill in if they want him. Maybe O’Neil, Walker, Gorman, Graceffo and Burleson? Sounds like a good return to me, but I also don’t know if they are interested in O’Neil.

      Reply
      • meangreandancingmachine

        8 months ago

        They don’t want an oft-injured O’Neill. They want Carlson, 23 years old, who has a future in CF, a premium position. It’s why the Cards don’t want to give Carlson up, either.

        Reply
    • andyb

      8 months ago

      between Carlson and Walker, it’s Walker the Cards aren’t going to give up.

      Reply
  12. abc123baseball

    8 months ago

    Some pundit recently mentioned the Giants as a dark horse. Prospects + Yaz?

    Reply
    • Balk

      8 months ago

      Yaz is getting a little old isn’t he?

      Reply
      • slowcurve

        8 months ago

        True, they may have to throw in Mays.

        Reply
  13. WouldSettleForWildcard

    8 months ago

    Would love to see an Acuna/Harris/Soto outfield in Atlanta for the next couple of years, but when you add that to the Braves current infield and battery pieces it would mean I’d have to stop complaining about the Dodgers buying an all-star team every year. That cost is just too high.

    Reply
    • Howiedoin

      8 months ago

      Who on the Braves isn’t home grown? Dansby, Ozzie, Acuna, Harris, Riley, Contreras, Fried, Anderson, Strider. The only reason they traded for and signed Olson was their home grown 1B left to the Dodgers.

      Reply
      • WouldSettleForWildcard

        8 months ago

        Wasn’t focused on the buying part, just the all-star part. With Soto in left, the Braves would have had all-star caliber players in pretty much every spot on the diamond.

        Reply
  14. msqboxer

    8 months ago

    If Carlson is the hold up on this deal the Cardinals are fools. Other teams can offer young MLB talent that is better than Carlson and Cardinal position prospects are notoriously overhyped.

    Reply
    • tombenton

      8 months ago

      Carlson is going to be a Star, Best CF out there

      Reply
      • guest678

        8 months ago

        Ever heard of Byron Buxton? Mike Trout? Carlson is a merely average player.

        Reply
    • Roy DeMeo

      8 months ago

      I agree. Carlson is a good player, will probably have a nice career. Juan Soto is a potential HOFer and sure fire, franchise changing player. No way I let him go if I have the right package.

      Reply
    • Dogbone

      8 months ago

      Msqboxer, totally agree. Cardinals have been getting away forever, trading their vastly overhyped suspects. It certainly helps to make their young players look good, when they get called up to play against teams, in a weak division.

      Reply
  15. Henry Silvestre

    8 months ago

    Rockstar GM…get it done… I dont care what it takes as long as WOOD is the lone survivor .. #LFGSD!

    Reply
    • coup

      8 months ago

      haha. C’mon Henry, they’d be acquiring Soto and Bell!

      Reply
    • VermonsterSD

      8 months ago

      Yep. Wood or Hassell has to stay, all else can go……

      Reply
      • coup

        8 months ago

        Really? You think Washington would trade Soto AND Bell to us without getting at least our two best hitting prospects? I like fair deals and coughing up Hassell and Wood in this trade would be a good start to a fair deal. I’m guessing Merrill and Campusano go as well. Maybe Gore too. Gotta give big to get big.

        Reply
    • thelegendaryharambe

      8 months ago

      He’s gonna be the lone player the Nats won’t budge on.

      Reply
    • Brew’88

      8 months ago

      Wood will have a better HOF career than Soto, come back in 25 years and tell me no?

      Reply
      • coup

        8 months ago

        I’d take my chances with Soto. Wood is still in Single-A!

        Reply
        • Brew’88

          8 months ago

          Please reserve all responses for 2047

      • LordD99

        8 months ago

        Most likely scenario:

        1) Soto is a 1st ballot HOFer
        2) Wood is a bust
        3) All of the above

        3.

        Reply
      • VermonsterSD

        8 months ago

        There is zero way to know that. However, as long as the Padres win a World Series in the next 3 years with Soto, think anyone will care if Wood turned into a Hall of Famer.

        Reply
  16. LordD99

    8 months ago

    Soto will not be traded today.

    Reply
    • Cobby

      8 months ago

      I agree. Nats will overshoot their hand.

      Reply
    • Balk

      8 months ago

      I agree

      Reply
    • solaris602

      8 months ago

      Preller is insane enough to make it happen at any cost. If indeed Soto AND Bell are headed to SD, and WAS is expected to take Hosmer back in the package, the Pads will literally have to drain every worthwhile prospect in their system to do it. Pure insanity.

      Reply
  17. Old York

    8 months ago

    He’s past his prime. No team will want to invest in old players like him.

    Reply
    • benhen77

      8 months ago

      Lol. Spicy take.

      Reply
  18. dclivejazz

    8 months ago

    Still holding out hope that the Nats don’t trade Soto and revert to rebuilding around him.

    Reply
    • Questionable_Source

      8 months ago

      They were trying that. He won’t sign an extension. It’ll be the same for whichever team acquires him. They’ll get him for 2 years and a couple of months and a draft pick compensation when he leaves.

      Reply
    • therealryan

      8 months ago

      The Nats are the worst team in MLB with him and they have a bottom 10 farm system. If they choose to keep him and try and build around him, they run a very big risk of becoming the Angels with Mike Trout.

      Reply
  19. Yankeesforever

    8 months ago

    trade away the farm and then cough up the biggest contract in baseball history….what’s not to like?

    Reply
    • astros_fan_84

      8 months ago

      I wouldn’t want to extend him. Just enjoy three pennant races and the QO.

      Reply
    • abc123baseball

      8 months ago

      For an inner ring HOFer? You bet.

      Reply
    • guest678

      8 months ago

      He needs to win an MVP or he won’t even crack the top 5

      Reply
  20. astros_fan_84

    8 months ago

    Astros jump in: Tucker+Hunter Brown+Korey Lee+3 prospects in the 10-20 range.

    Or the Dodgers do the smart thing and get him first.

    Reply
    • Biscuit_Pants_wastheMAN

      8 months ago

      Oh. Okay. Done.

      Reply
  21. dave frost nhlpa

    8 months ago

    Not giving up on Carlson…are you kidding?
    Yanks package-Andujar Garcia Volpe Cabrera Sweeney Breux Dunham.

    Reply
  22. CJ81

    8 months ago

    I wish I knew what the offers were. The Cardinals, if you count Gorman, have essentially 8 top 100 prospects. They should be able to keep carlson, walker, and winn and still offer 6 top 100 prospects. How could washington turn down something like
    Gorman
    Liberatore (even if not fave young pitcher)
    Herrera (no nats catch prospects in their top 15)
    Graceffo
    Burleson
    Hence

    Reply
    • VermonsterSD

      8 months ago

      Not sure what you’re looking at, but the Cards barely sneak a 5th prospect into the top 100, at #98. Unless you’re adding in 3 more guys who are on the major league roster to bring it up to 8. And how could they turn it down? Simple, by being outbid by:

      Abrams
      Gore
      Hassell
      Morejon
      And 2 more……

      Reply
    • Senioreditor

      8 months ago

      No team has ever had 8 top 10 prospects.

      Reply
    • FrontOfficeStan

      8 months ago

      Most teams do not value Liberatore as highly as the Cardinals do. Herrera is unlikely to go anywhere. Burleson is essentially a DH in majors and Gorman isn’t exactly someone that Nats would value as a centerpiece for Soto. Your trade scenario is one of the only ones that I would be thrilled with if they accepted it. Cards basically would give up no one of consequence besides maybe Herrera.

      Reply
  23. thelegendaryharambe

    8 months ago

    Not particularly interested in gutting the farm for one player. The Padres do this and they basically have to win a title in their next 3 chances. Trading for Soto obviously makes that more likely and if they make the trade and it doesn’t happen Preller realistically won’t be around to deal with the fallout so there is no reason from his perspective not to.

    Reply
    • Brew’88

      8 months ago

      That’s seems to be the situation I agree. What a next 12 hours eh? But the fallout (on the diamond, not in Preller’s CV) of not getting Soto will be potentially a boon to next GM with Tatis, Hassell, Abrams, Wood, Merrill, Campy and Jarlin and Musgrove vying for CY. So I’ll stay interested. Sure beats being a Giants fan right now! Hope they keep Preller around to draft/scout though.

      Reply
    • VermonsterSD

      8 months ago

      Well, if its a total bust, then there is always the ability to trade Soto 2 years from now in the middle of his last year under contract to a contender and get at least 1 or 2 top prospects back.

      Reply
      • thelegendaryharambe

        8 months ago

        They won’t even get back 10% of what they gave up if they do that. No one and I mean NO ONE is trading for Soto to flip him.

        Reply
        • David Barista

          8 months ago

          There will be a super competitive market to acquire Soto at the trade deadline in his free agency season because it will be a more realistic and affordable asking price… if that equates to 10% of the current cost then it’s safe to say that Soto isn’t getting traded today

  24. lloyd_christmas

    8 months ago

    What a better way to lose Xander and/or Devers than bring in Soto?

    Reply
    • Biscuit_Pants_wastheMAN

      8 months ago

      The Xander that is going to opt out and the Devers that turned down a $20m AAV contract.

      Reply
  25. abc123baseball

    8 months ago

    Everybody Juants Soto. Everybody.

    If he stays healthy, we’re talking first ballot HOF. Heck, maybe 100+ WAR inner ring.

    Some may say “it’s only 2.2 years.” Well how about ONE HUNDRED years of 3D printed bobbleheads, endless NFTs, Ken Burns voiceover as the camera zooms in on a smiling face wearing a cap that features the retro logo of your favorite team?

    Everybody wants Soto. The Reds want Soto. The A’s Juan Soto.

    Reply
    • MuleorAstroMule

      8 months ago

      If you still think NFTs are the future you might want to look at their performance. Turns out people wised up to paying hundreds of thousands for ugly jpegs.

      Reply
    • David Barista

      8 months ago

      Sure everybody wants Soto, so the Nationals hold the entire league ransom… who is seriously in the market to pay the current asking price? Most teams don’t hold the assets to acquire Soto let alone make that trade a net positive in the aggregate

      Reply
  26. dclivejazz

    8 months ago

    My gawd. Once upon a time I liked Eric Hosmer. It would depend on the rest of the return, but it would be disturbing to take on his contract instead of extending Bell himself, say.

    Reply
    • CNichols

      8 months ago

      I don’t know how it would even be possible for SD to add enough value to the trade to make it possible to unload him while acquiring both Bell and Soto. They haven’t been able to successfully dump him for the last couple years, doing while getting the two best bats available at the deadline just isn’t realistic

      Reply
      • Brew’88

        8 months ago

        Hosmer aside, what could Pads offer to get Bell, in addition to Soto?

        Reply
        • VermonsterSD

          8 months ago

          Abrams
          Gore
          Morejon
          Hassell
          Wood
          Merrill
          Campusano

          They’ve got plenty of horses in the barn. Just might not be many left after this trade is done…..lol

    • steveng

      8 months ago

      If Soto and Bell are going to go to SD for Hosmer and most of their farm system….it is still not enough on the SD side. I would guess that they will be taking back Corbin with Soto and Bell. If that tilts the deal too much back to the Nats, then SD needs relievers and DC has at least 2 that are worth having. Finnegan even has a few years of control.

      Reply
  27. meangreandancingmachine

    8 months ago

    Well, the Cardinals have just tapped out. And as a Cardinals fan, I’m relieved.

    Reply
    • eatonculo

      8 months ago

      Me too. I’d rather keep all of those young players and prospects than have 2-1/2 years of Soto.

      Reply
  28. Jay B.

    8 months ago

    Blue Jays should trade Moreno #1 prospect and some of there top prospects a position player or two from roster.

    Reply
  29. Jason Sebol

    8 months ago

    Every year me on mlbtraderumors: Come on Mo, do something big!
    Me this year: For the love of God Mo, don’t do this……

    If the Cards were one piece away from the top echelon of the NL, then sure, I’d be all in. But, the Cards are not, and mortgaging the future on two what look to be legit stars is not the move. In two years Soto will be somewhere else and Walker will be hitting 40 bombs a season with Winn winning gold gloves.

    Get more pitching, and that should be enough to win the division.

    Reply
  30. Mystery Team

    8 months ago

    I honestly feel like the Cards are being used to up the return from someone else. I’m sorry but to claim that Dylan Carlson is the sticking point is absurd he hasn’t done anything since being called up except look like a fourth OF same for Bader. I don’t view the Cardinals as having a great farm system at all beside a couple of guys they seem rather pedestrian compared to teams like the Dodgers and Padres and even the Padres are borderline. They at least have Hassel, Merril, and Wood. The Cards have Jordan Walker, Jordan Walker, Jordan Walker, and maybe McGreevy. Baez has looked not so great I know he’s very young but still. I have to think that the fact that only those three teams being involved is greatly disappointing for the Nats but If they can get the Dodgers to give up Pages, Busch, and Cartaya plus maybe one more of those stud minor leaguers that would be quite the haul. With that said I doubt the Dodgers are going to do it they’re already loaded and Trea Turner is a much better player than Soto that’s where I’d concentrate.

    Reply
    • Simm

      8 months ago

      You have to add gore, morejon and abrams to that list for the padres. Maybe even a few dudes not mentioned.

      If it’s Soto and bell I would think it’s going to be something like.

      Abrams, gore, morejon, hassell, woods, Merrill plus perhaps another dude or two. Don’t think any team can beat that or would beat that. Those are 6 high ceiling controllable players.

      Reply
  31. GabrielJames

    8 months ago

    Imagine the Padres adding Hader, Soto, and Bell, and still not winning the World Series lol

    Reply
  32. JimmyForum

    8 months ago

    If the cardinals dont land Soto because of their refusal to include Dylan Carlson, they instantly become the dumbest organization in all of professional sports.

    Reply
    • 16

      8 months ago

      I really don’t understand the love they have for Carlson, maybe it’s negotiating, maybe they see something I just don’t with him, but too me, his ceiling seems similar to Bader without the plus speed. Doesn’t seem like one to ever get to 25-30 HR’s but can play all OF positions above average. Compared to a generational talent that’s also left handed, I’d give 5 Carlson’s for that.

      Reply
  33. Cooperdooper7

    8 months ago

    Washington Nationals go from WS Champs to Major League feeding system for LA Dodgers.

    Reply
  34. Brew’88

    8 months ago

    It’s now Padres vs Dodgers

    Reply
    • Gwynning

      8 months ago

      Trying not to get too excited here, real Scherzer/Turner vibes in the hallways this morning, but man this is fun! BIG deal details being hammered out over donuts and coffee right now, stay tuned…

      Reply
  35. Brew’88

    8 months ago

    ….and so I contemplate the “growing sense”

    Reply
  36. SWH*1972*

    8 months ago

    He is staying put. For this year’s trade deadline I vote for the Nationals for the #1 trade rumor.

    Reply
  37. FAILvyHasToGo

    8 months ago

    A super dark horse would have been the Twins. They would have to over pay for Soto but a combo(3-4) of Kirriloff, Larnach, Lewis, Miranda, Wellner, Steer along with Winder and Bazolvic would have had a chance. Too many injuries on the Twins and their way of never thinking outside the box would stop this from happening

    Reply
  38. pwndroia

    8 months ago

    I think whoever lands Soto should expect to keep him until the contract ends. It’s evident he’s going to want to test the free agent market, especially after declining the biggest deal in baseball.

    If you ask me, it’s dumb on his end, anything can happen in two years. Nationals are absolutely the smarter end in this negotiation, as long as they get a lot back for a 2 year rental.

    Reply
  39. harryruffner

    8 months ago

    For the dodgers to land soto. It’s gonna take one of lux or may and Diego or Miguel or 3 of those 4.
    Also keep an eye out for the dodgers going after Drury or is. Happ and another reliever

    Reply
  40. Win Cor

    8 months ago

    What a hot mess that would be in San Diego Uncontrollable chaos Frankenstein team that will make alot of press and be a colossal failure! Train wreck idea ! LOL!

    Reply
    • Brew’88

      8 months ago

      Fear of failure takes a toll too

      Reply
  41. prov356

    8 months ago

    If I was a potential buyer for the Nats ball club, I would be more inclined to buy the team with Soto on it than without Soto. Then as the new owner, I would lay out my short term strategy to spend what it takes to build a winning team around him.

    If I was Soto, I’d want to go to the Padres.

    Reply
    • David Barista

      8 months ago

      Soto and the roster will have little to no influence on a potential buyer…. Owners make a lot of money

      Reply
      • prov356

        8 months ago

        I was just saying what I would do if I was a buyer. If two teams were for sale and one had a better roster than the other, I’d be inclined to buy the team with the better roster with all other things relatively equal.

        Do you have inside knowledge of that or are you speculating like I am?

        Reply
        • David Barista

          8 months ago

          I agree with you there as far as choosing between two different teams for sale. I am speculating like you. Owning a professional team is a scarce commodity. There is only one team for sale. I believe a deal gets done for maximum value regardless of Soto or the health of the roster or payroll.

  42. l9ydodger

    8 months ago

    Gut your farm system? Then you have to sign him to a new contract in 2 years, 25 to 35 years of age? For how much? $450 mil.? $475 mil.? $500 mil.? His BAV so far this year is in the .240’s range. Dodgers already have Betts at $375 mil., I think it is? He was hurt last year and batting in the .260’s currently. How much longer before he’s an albatross. Plus, Dodgers need to extend T. Turner imo. What is that going to take, $350 mil. to 380 mil.? As a Dodgers fan, I say pass on Soto, keep T. Turner & our prospects & watch how they develop.

    Reply
  43. paulk-2

    8 months ago

    Not gonna happen for St. Louis. After losing on Montas and Castillo, the Cardinals are going hang their hats on the Quintana trade and just shrug their shoulders and say, “We tried.”

    Mozeliak needs to go. I’m tired of him building teams that can only compete in the Central and never go for the jugular. The Yankees didn’t need Montas but they went for it anyway. Arenado already said he wouldn’t’ leave but i would not blame him to go back on his word and opt out of St. Louis. Cardinal fan bit hook, line and sinker on the Yadi, Pujols, Wainwright reunion and this mess is what you got for it.

    Reply
    • guest678

      8 months ago

      When did Arenado say he won’t opt out this year? Last year yes, but this is a new year. Ownership doesn’t actually want to win, just be competitive and “see what happens” plus it a lighter FA class than last year. He’s be a fool to opt out though, he’d definitely take a pay cut.

      Reply
      • paulk-2

        8 months ago

        https://redbirdrants.com/2022/07/17/st-louis-cardinals-nolan-arenado-not-opting-out/

        Reply
  44. pacomartinez86

    8 months ago

    Come on Cardinals pull the trigger trade Carlson and Walker if need be to get a superstar like Soto

    Reply
  45. pacomartinez86

    8 months ago

    Come on Cardinals you have to trade Carlson and Walker if need be to get a superstar like Soto

    Reply
  46. pacomartinez86

    8 months ago

    Come on Cardinals make the trade for Soto. Soto is better than Carlson and Walker isn’t a grantee to be a superstar in the bigs

    Reply
  47. tedtheodorelogan

    8 months ago

    Dodgers will get him, extend him for a half billion dollars, and still have a great farm system. Farhan will trade some some utility player you’ve never heard of for cash considerations and not trade Rodon, who will walk for nothing after the season.

    Reply
  48. thelegendaryharambe

    8 months ago

    STOP SAYING THE NATS WILL GET MORE FOR SOTO IN THE OFFSEASON!!!!!!!!!!
    STOP SAYING THE NATS WILL GET MORE FOR SOTO IN THE OFFSEASON!!!!!!!!!!
    STOP SAYING THE NATS WILL GET MORE FOR SOTO IN THE OFFSEASON!!!!!!!!!!

    Reply
    • David Barista

      8 months ago

      The Nationals will only get what any given team is willing to give up. The trade deadline always presents a certain urgency that increases a trade return. I just don’t see a competitive market willing to meet the current asking price…. What urgency do the Nationals have to trade Soto today when he has multiple years left on his contract?

      Reply
  49. friarfootin

    8 months ago

    AJ will pull a rabbit out of his hat. I saw Woods and Merrill at a Storm game Saturday. They look like quality ball players but they are in Class A. So young! Friars could replenish at that level after making a run for a couple of years and flipping Soto. Let’s go Padres!

    Reply
    • Brew’88

      8 months ago

      Hare today gone tomorrow

      Reply
  50. friarfootin

    8 months ago

    AJ will pull a rabbit out of his hat. I saw Woods and Merrill at a Storm game Saturday. They look like quality ball players but they are in Class A. So young! Friars could replenish at that level after making a run for a couple of years and flipping Soto. Let’s go Padres! Yea

    Reply
  51. BlueSkies_LA

    8 months ago

    The Dodgers are rife with top prospects? Yikes, sounds like a plague of some kind.

    Reply
    • Brew’88

      8 months ago

      A cancerous quagmire of quality

      Reply
  52. juzsaydat

    8 months ago

    A’s?

    Reply
  53. whyhayzee

    8 months ago

    The modern day Tony Conigliaro. Sox win in 1967 if he’s not hit in the head. Be interesting to see if this move brings a WC.

    Reply
  54. Camden453

    8 months ago

    The league is rage-hating on the Dodgers and in a fury Preller is about to ditch his entire farm system on Soto, while Rizzo is going to give up better prospects from the Dodgers for the Padres bad prospects

    Reply
  55. jvent

    8 months ago

    Padres won’t have a farm team left with a trade for Soto and Bell, having to give up probably their top 5 prospects

    Reply
  56. VonPurpleHayes

    8 months ago

    Padres getting a little ridiculous.

    Reply
  57. Silas

    8 months ago

    Padres done deal. You heard it hear furst

    Reply
  58. thefallensoldier

    8 months ago

    Say sike right now

    Reply
  59. halloffamernobodycares

    8 months ago

    The Padres can acquire every player available and still finish third.

    Reply
  60. bassmaster

    8 months ago

    if Lux and May are the price walk away por favor. Dodgers don’t have to have the guy and i’d rather watch some of these young men develop and play for LA not Washington.

    Reply
  61. greatdaysports

    8 months ago

    Forget all the above. Bell and Soto to the Padres.

    Reply
  62. Silas

    8 months ago

    Padres are the Globetrotters of Baseball.

    Reply
  63. BleedzBlue

    8 months ago

    As a Dodgers fan, I say go for it Padres! Empty out that farm and then for the love of sweet baby jesus sign a ridiculous 12yr extension that will make the hosmer contract look like chump change as it ages. This is going to end up being an overpay and I’m crossing my fingers the Dodgers are smarter than that.

    Reply
  64. cleveland_spider

    8 months ago

    The Guardians “interest” was them literally driving by the Nats office

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